Turley to White House: Quit whining
posted at 7:40 pm on February 3, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Two days ago, MSNBC legal analyst Jonathan Turley told Lawrence O’Donnell that the Democrats and the White House played “a game of chicken” with ObamaCare by leaving out a severability clause routinely included with most legislation. Indeed, earlier versions of ObamaCare had included the severability clause in the bill, but was removed at some point in its final pass through Congress. Now the White House is screaming “judicial activism!” at the top of its lungs, but Turley tells the White House to quit whining and recognize that their “Ford Pinto law” blew up in their faces:
Many — including yours truly — had raised concerns over the constitutionality of the individual mandate. Even the respected Congressional Research Service noted that such objections might have merit. Ultimately, public officials in 26 states have challenged the law.
Even if one accepts that the removal of the clause was just some colossal, inexplicable blunder, it was the blunder of the White House and Congress — not the courts. The result was a Ford Pinto law — a fast and cheap vehicle that would explode with even low-speed collisions.
The Justice Department undermined its own case by repeatedly warning Vinson in court that if he struck down the individual mandate, the law would be fundamentally crippled. Without the mandate (and young healthy people forced to buy insurance), the plan isfatally underfunded. It appeared to the court that the administration was arguing that it was an “all-or-nothing” proposition. Vinson’s ruling: Nothing it is.
Crying “judicial activism” is just an excuse for betting badly:
The charge of activism sounds like the lament of every bad gambler after being discouraged from playing a high-risk hand.
Besides, as David Harsanyi pointed out in his column yesterday, the activism came from the White House and Democrats. Judge Vinson followed the law and the Constitution:
The decision, you may not be surprised to hear, is also a case of “judicial activism” and an “overreach.”
Co-opting conservative terms like “judicial activism” is a cute way of trying to turn the tables on those who have some reverence for the original intent of the Founders.
The true activist invents new ways to expand power and set precedents allowing his or her ideological views to be embedded in the “Constitution” forever. An activist searches for ways to rationalize intrusions, not to limit them — unless the breach involves terrorism suspects and the guy holed up in the White House is a Bush.
As Turley remarks at the end, the problem with playing chicken is that your opponent might not be one. Such was the case with Judge Vinson, who acted to preserve the limits of power of the federal government, which is one of the main roles of the federal judiciary. The severability stunt backfired, and now the White House looks both foolish and extreme, not just for the law but also for their response to the ruling.









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Skandia Recluse on February 3, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Two stocks to look out for:
Orville Reddenbacher
and
Preparation H
This is going to be one hell of a show, with a lot of butthurt liberals out there.
gryphon202 on February 3, 2011 at 7:46 PM
AKA Obamateurish.
itsnotaboutme on February 3, 2011 at 7:46 PM
I’d drive that turquoise Pinto if it meant dumping Obama.
leftnomore on February 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM
I’m looking at the side bar where they talk about Assange being nominated for a Nobel and I think of Obama accepting the prize. What a joke! The man has no shame at all. Disgusting.
Blake on February 3, 2011 at 7:47 PM
Edsel + Pinto = ObamaCare
The Car that nobody asked for, and it blows up on you to boot.
portlandon on February 3, 2011 at 7:48 PM
Hmmmm……ya mean just like since Day One?
GarandFan on February 3, 2011 at 7:48 PM
Ed, sort of OT, but in many ways NOT:
Today’s ruling by Judge Feldman that the Obama Administration is in contempt, for maintaining the Gulf drilling moratorium, is an ATOM BOMB.
In a sane country, we would now be able to, without breaking a sweat, draw up impeachment charges against President Obama and throw so far out of the White House that Richard Nixon’s ghost couldn’t see him from San Clemente.
Coupled with his insistence on ignoring Judge Vinson’s voiding of Obamacare, we have a LAWLESS TYRANT in the presidency.
This man needs to go NOW – by any means, no matter what.
America is under full-blown constitutional assault.
Now is the time for me to re-post links to the footage I shot from 20 feet away of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal last July 24th at the Cajundome in Lafayette, La..
Yes, I’m not a pro cameraman, but listen to Bobby’s words!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5hyE3FUm6w
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czk8Lqs7yNM&feature=related
As I was hollering about last fall, the moratorium was NEVER LIFTED BECAUSE OBAMA FIRST LIED, THEN DEFIED, THE FEDERAL JUDGE WHO STRUCK IT DOWN!
There are NO new deep-water drilling permits being issued at all! Are any of your gas prices up?
Are there “For Sale” signs all over south Louisiana?
OBAMA THREW THE CIRCUIT BREAKER ON THE U.S. ECOMONY LAST YEAR – HE SHUT OFF YOUR DOMESTIC OIL! I HOLLERED AS LOUD AS I COULD THEN, AND NOW IT’S HERE!
IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT, NOW!!!!!!!!!
We have ALL the ammo we need! Obamacare, the moratorium, and, of course, his G-D birth certificate!.
This lawless, un-American president must GO. NOW.
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Seems to be a lot of that going around lately…
Seven Percent Solution on February 3, 2011 at 7:52 PM
as Biden would say 2 letters spelled W.T.F.
wheels on February 3, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Wasn’t there some kind of strategery behind leaving the clause out? I sweat if was discussed when they were ramming it down our throats but I can’t remember the reasoning behind it.
Cindy Munford on February 3, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Cindy,
Don’t sweat…and don’t swear…
Gohawgs on February 3, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Cindy, I call Occam’s Razor. They knew the mandate was controversial, and so purposely left out the severability clause so that it couldn’t be sniped… and in their utter hubris, never thought that their 2008 wave could be stopped – by Congress, the voters, or the courts.
This was hubris, plain and simple, and 2 wasted years of America’s time, when we had lots of other pressing issues.
History will NOT be kind to the 111th Congress, or its speaker.
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 7:57 PM
A ruling that prevents the feds from forcing every American to buy a product is “judicial activism”? Even Orwell could not have foreseen the insane doublespeak that comes out of these leftards.
Cicero43 on February 3, 2011 at 7:59 PM
I am going to ask a controversial question:
Why is it that the first female Speaker of the House and the first “non-white” president of the United States arrived in the same decade, and are both proving to be colossal mistakes?
Political correctness anyone?
Or is there some other reason?
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 7:59 PM
+ infinity.
Let barry and all his gop enablers “hear the people’s voices”. The natives (we the people) need to start pounding the tom-toms, non-stop. resignation or impeachment – what’s yer pleasure, barry?
tigerlily on February 3, 2011 at 8:00 PM
Pinto, my 2nd car.
YIKES!! :-)
PappyD61 on February 3, 2011 at 8:01 PM
I am stepping WAAAAY back here, and looking at this week.
The DUAL hammer blows of unconstitutionality fell:
1. Judge Vinson.
2. Judge Feldman.
If ANYONE has the guts, we just witnessed the END OF OBAMA.
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:03 PM
OR,
It is now confirmed that Obama is the second coming of FDR, because, despite a dreary parade of unconstitutionality (and a 3rd term), no one impeached Franklin.
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:04 PM
Judges impose gay marriage in California against the will of the people. OK by the left.
Judges force schools in California to pay billions so that illegal children can attend. OK by the left.
Judges force affirmative action in college. No problemo says the left.
Judge says the govt can’t force its citizens to buy a product they don’t want….JUDICIAL ACTIVISM!!!
angryed on February 3, 2011 at 8:07 PM
crr6 and Proud Rino hardest hit.
fossten on February 3, 2011 at 8:07 PM
I kind of think of the PPACA as a hoopty, so a Pinto is an appropriate comparison.
Sekhmet on February 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM
Hey, my Pinto was white, and it was a POS, but it got me from here to there when I was dead broke. I think it was about 8 years old when I bought it, and it wouldn’t get out of first gear if it was below 0, but other than that….
Yeah, it was a piece of crap.
tcn on February 3, 2011 at 8:10 PM
Obama, building on his reputation for International Buffoonery, decides to try his hand at Domestic Buffoonery!!
landlines on February 3, 2011 at 8:11 PM
You’re working double duty Ed.. Good for you.
Both foolish and extreme for sure.
Ignoring the ruling by this Federal Judge goes beyond that and into outright nutter land. This attitude is what most people are talking about here in my area, especially with the 40 and above crowd. Words such as removal & impeach are being tossed out more and more as this President displays an attitude of my way or the high way in a society with obvious checks and balances.
Keemo on February 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM
So when is the judge going to sign the arrest warrants?
SouthernGent on February 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM
The car that Mrs. massrighty came into our relationship with; which car she had saved for, and paid for in cash; a 1978 custom-painted red/black Pinto. (78 was the first “non-exploding” year – the defect had been revealed, and fixed.)
Actually, not a bad car, in its’ way, and for its’ day.
massrighty on February 3, 2011 at 8:13 PM
Why does the President get to disregard the law while us serfs have to obey it? Are court orders optional? President Obama seems to continually disregard the law. He ignores the courts when they rule against him. He grants waivers to regulations and laws to his friends, such as exempting GE from new EPA guidelines or companies from ObamaCare.
I’m a little confused here, how can a sitting President just pick and choose who has to obey a law and who gets to ignore it? What is considered impeachable? High crimes and misdemeanors?
JellyToast on February 3, 2011 at 8:14 PM
In the end, we the people must take a very serious inventory of what led to electing a man to the worlds most powerful and important position without vetting him… Of the people, by the people, and for the people must have the people engaged in the process or we will repeat this tragedy in the future.
Obama really is the least qualified man in any room he walks into with the lone exception of his bedroom.
Keemo on February 3, 2011 at 8:16 PM
“Barack H. Obama will you please go now!
The time has come.
The time has come.
The time is now.
Just go.
Go.
Go!
I don’t care how.
You can go by foot.
You can go by cow.
Barack H. Obama will you please go now!
You can go on skates.
You can go on skis.
You can go in a hat.
But
Please go.
Please!
I don’t care.
You can go
By bike.
You can go
On a Zike-Bike
If you like.
If you like
You can go
In an old blue shoe.
Just go, go, GO!
Please do, do, do, DO!
Barack H. Obama
I don’t care how.
Barack H. Obama
Will you please
GO NOW!
You can go on stilts.
You can go by fish.
You can go in a Crunk-Car
If you wish.
If you wish
You may go
By lion’s tale.
Or stamp yourself
And go by mail.
Barack H. Obama
Don’t you know
The time has come
To go, go, GO!
Get on your way!
Barack H.!
You might like going in a Zumble-Zay.
You can go by balloon . . .
Or broomstick.
Or
You can go by camel
In a bureau drawer.
You can go by bumble-boat
. . . or jet.
I don’t care how you go.
Just get!
Barack H. Obama!
I don’t care how.
Barack H. Obama
Will you please
GO NOW!
I said
GO
And
GO
I meant . . .
The time had come
So . . .
Barack WENT.”
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:17 PM
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:18 PM
So do all the Democrats that didn’t vote to repeal the law yesterday.
catmman on February 3, 2011 at 8:19 PM
Mrs.O,might we have some feedback?
katy the mean old lady on February 3, 2011 at 8:20 PM
JellyToast,
These are unquestionable “high” crimes.
Barack Obama is toast.
It will take awhile for all the various players to realize this.
But this week sealed his fate.
1. Egypt
2. Unconsitutional Obamacare, followed by defiance.
3. Contempt of court due to defiance of judge’s order on drilling moratorium that is crippling America.
Obama, politically speaking, is a dead man walking, and we saw it all this week.
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM
Slightly OT: I miss my Pinto…
pugwriter on February 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM
Amusing link; hadn’t heard of hooptie before; we called them sh!tboxes or beaterboxes, back in the day.
massrighty on February 3, 2011 at 8:22 PM
LOL; good point…
Keemo on February 3, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Only if Moochelle isn’t there.
Aviator on February 3, 2011 at 8:24 PM
If it was a blunder, then shame on the donks for rushing it thru and not giving congress read the bill, let alone allow the public to comment.
And even so, given the extremely short time from release to the vote, plenty of folks weighed in on issues they discovered, but the donks weren’t about to listen. Peloser, you said we’d have to pass the law to see what’s in it.
Fortunately for us, what wasn’t in it was what mattered. Bwahahaha.
AH_C on February 3, 2011 at 8:24 PM
“Ford Pinto Law” = Crash for Clunkers.
Winning the Ford.
Geochelone on February 3, 2011 at 8:25 PM
My first car was a ’73 Pinto when I was 16.
I just didn’t like the acceleration so, I put a Ford V8 engine in it.
Wheelie The Ford.
To many of those and the unibody cracked.
Wrecked The Ford.
Electrongod on February 3, 2011 at 8:30 PM
I think he’s trying to pull an Andy Jackson. But I’ll leave it to ajacksonian or others to explain whether he can get away with the contempt charges.
Bottomline, Andy had room to argue for daring the courts to make him stop. Barry, not so much. That Obambi gets away with it so far is in no small part to a pliant 4th estate.
AH_C on February 3, 2011 at 8:32 PM
What do y’all think of this week’s judical decisions? First Judge Vinson, then Judge Feldman.
I love car talk MORE than the next guy, but DAMN, ain’t it time to just HAMMER Barack?
I think he has just been shown twice in one week to be in contempt of the rule of law.
That’s a pattern.
Impeachable?
What say y’all?
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:34 PM
Every bill of any resort, as a matter of course, contains a severability clause. It’s Legislation Drafting 101. Hell, I’ve even seen some building-naming legislation with that language. Hence, all the early drafts of ObamaCare contained such a clause, and it’s never removed by mistake.
Why was it removed in the bill that finally passed, a very unusual thing? First and foremost, if it had been included, the CBO would’ve had to make a substantial qualification to its fiscal projections. They would’ve had to note that if the mandate were severed and found unconstitutional, their revenue estimates would be plus $700 billion over-scored.
Another reason to have taken the SC out was so the leadership could coax the wavering blue dogs to vote for the bill. It goes like this: “Vote for it, Mike. We know the mandate’s unconstitutional, and the Rs will find a court or two to say so. And, without an SC, the whole damn thing goes down. So, no harm, no foul.”
TXUS on February 3, 2011 at 8:35 PM
Seriously, folks, we have a G-D tyrant in office.
This is almost as bad as the caricature of Caligula in “I, Claudius.”
cane_loader on February 3, 2011 at 8:36 PM
Yes, well watch what happens. The Executive branch will ignore the outcome and KEEP ON TRUK’IN. IF Ogabe KEEPS ON GOING, then he will have his mandate to do whatever the hell he wants to. ITS A TEST. If I were him, and I was able to defy the Federal Courts of the land, then o hell yeah I am just going to suspend some elections and pass whatever Executive Orders I want to.
HOW do we force the issue??? Thats the question.
Remember the left want chaos like Egypt. The trick is to apply all the bad results TO the left….
orbitalair on February 3, 2011 at 8:38 PM
The parents’ car bought for grocery shopping etc. was a Ford Granada ordered with a V-8 Mustang engine. It idled at 35 MPH and you could screech the tires in any gear. No one braved finding top speed though it never failed to leave behind a blue streak and a star burst when the traffic light changed.
viking01 on February 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM
Love it!!
“the Ford Pinto law”
to be followed by
“the Chewbacca Defense”
as they try to salvage this steaming pile.
Phil-351 on February 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM
She’s too busy raving about the “famous” Charlotte, NC, barbecue.
Sloan Morganstern on February 3, 2011 at 8:46 PM
I remember the day my dad came home with the new car when I was 15 — the car I imagined borrowing once I got my driver’s license. It turned out to be a Ford Pinto station wagon of the exact same color as in the picture on the front page. My dad was really excited about getting a great deal, since this was the first model year after the exploding gas tanks.
Still have never quite forgiven the old man for that one.
Ed Morrissey on February 3, 2011 at 8:50 PM
The first car I ever jumped over a set of train tracks was a Pinto. We lived, but I think we dented the oil pan.
Jumping a Pinto over some train tracks sounds a lot like Obama’s economic policies. Fun but Dumb.
Mord on February 3, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Moochelle is too busy yelling at the dry cleaners for removing what they thought were lube shop stains on her SOTU dress.
viking01 on February 3, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Jonathan Turley, like Alan Dershowitz, is a principaled liberal who is consistent and intellectually honest. They don’t shift their stances when convenient or to be “on the right side of history (I wanna slap everyone I hear say that nowadays).” They say what they believe, they know why they believe it, and they don’t back down.
Even when Turley makes me wanna scream, I will always respect him for the pro bono work he did for Dr. Eric Foretich, whose brutal treatment by the mainstream media, congressional Democrats & Republicans, and Presidents GHW Bush & Clinton makes him — in my estimation — the most thoroughly legally screwed individual in the history of America. The MSM took his wife’s side in a high-profile pre-Internet custody battle, and for a couple of years, he may have been the most hated man in the country despite the fact NONE of his wife’s claims he abused their daughter were found to have merit in court. Not even once.
Only because of Turley’s integrity were two statutes passed specifically to aid his ex-wife’s cause declared illegal bills of attainder. Read more here.
L.N. Smithee on February 3, 2011 at 8:58 PM
That’s not turquoise, it’s seafoam.
Freelancer on February 3, 2011 at 9:01 PM
Back in my high school days we used to jump the railroad tracks atop a levee in a Ford Econoline van. Zero gravity sensation for a few prayerful moments followed by a cosmonaut terra firma landing. I’ve often wondered how the alignment shop explained to that friend’s parents how their front end often got, say, fifteen or twenty degrees out of alignment.
viking01 on February 3, 2011 at 9:11 PM
pugwriter on February 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM
I miss my Chevette(s) =(
Ugly on February 3, 2011 at 9:16 PM
I agree. It’s double down. I think Obama is fairly confident the GOP congress will do nothing about this. This is the secret strength of the Left: they really don’t care about the bounds or constraints of law or the republic. They are in “contempt” because they have nothing but contempt — for us and our system of constitutional limits. Their righteousness and endowments drive their contempt. They are better. They are entitled. They are here to break the system and re-make it in their own image. Who are these little judges to tell them they can’t?
The Left believes it has the power to do it, and the power in the media to lie about it and the power to destroy anyone who tries to do something about it. They didn’t pause a second after the Judge’s ruling to attack it and him. Think about that — the first reaction by an American White House to a federal court ruling is to reject (not critique) the legitimacy of the ruling and attack the judge as an “activist.” They are signaling to everybody their audacity and ruthlessness. They are signaling what will happen to those who challenge them, what it will take.
If it comes to conflict, a showdown, they will dare us to go through it, dare us to face the shitestorm.
The GOP will not face that storm.
And each time the Left passes through the storm, it is easier for them the next time. And harder for us. They are stronger, emboldened. The stakes get higher, more difficult to imagine and comprehend and express to the people. The “scope of insensitivity” among the public to their depredations and contempt is widened out further. More and more are innured.
There is no one on the GOP in Washington I have seen who grasps what’s going on or who has the nerve to confront this lawlessness. Do you see anybody?
rrpjr on February 3, 2011 at 9:18 PM
“Hey, the GD Constitution says whatever the f**k I say it says, Pissant!! Get with the program, Judge.”
-Barack “The Stain” Obama
Why is this thug not being impeached???
CantCureStupid on February 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM
Wasn’t aware of this angle. Who removed it?
Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM
First car: 65 Fairlane (sadly, a 4 door,) bought from a relative for $ 50.00. Looked like a grocery-getter, but it had a 289. Once I stopped being the worst driver in recorded history, I could blow off lots of unsuspecting muscle cars at traffic lights.
massrighty on February 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM
cmsinaz on February 3, 2011 at 9:37 PM
my first car, a ’75 mercury monarch…
memories…
cmsinaz on February 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM
And I would add 4. Granting exemptions to obamacare to favored parties. WTF????? Like Jelly Toast, I wonder where a President gets the authority to cancel certain parties’ obligation under a federal law, obligations that the rest of us have to labor under. Is this not a violation of the equal protection clause? Is obama above the law, along with anyone he designates? Aren’t the waivers closing in on one thousand? Shouldn’t this brazenly unconstitutional act of crony marxism be in federal court under lawsuit, or as many lawsuits as there are waivers?
tigerlily on February 3, 2011 at 9:41 PM
It’s probably a good thing that five years before they got that hyperdrive Granada I was too young to say “Hey Mom ! Why not get a Dodge Coronet Super Bee with a 440 and a six-pack ! That’ll get you to the A&P or Woolco and back in no time !” or twenty years earlier suggesting a D-500-1 looks like a perfect time saver for trips to the mall.
viking01 on February 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM
Not. A. Soul.
The Constitution has provided for the removal of a tyrant like obama. But what good is the sacrifice of the Founders and countless Americans since, if those who can deploy these Constitutional levers of power refuse to do so? Whether out of cowardice disguised as not wanting to “tear the nation apart by impeaching the first black president, blah, blah, blah” or not, the end result is the same.
A criminal intent upon destroying the Republic will remain in the Oval Office, and that won’t tear the nation apart….?
obama has all the extra/supra Constitutional power he wants because those who can constrain him via our Constitution will not. This isn’t even a test, imho. It’s just a little inconvenience as he rolls over everything and everyone, Blackberry in hand, and loving every minute of it.
If the gop won’t act, what say the People to the gop? And how soon?
tigerlily on February 3, 2011 at 10:01 PM
In a normal world, you’re right. However, they can grant waivers till the cows come home because while the bill lacked a severability clause, it’s loaded with waiver clauses.
When the law authorizes czars and unelected officials to make determinations, this is what we get. Obambi memos Sebelius to waive GE and other cronies, she snaps to it. No need for congress to carve out exceptions since they gave a blank check to the department heads. Another reason why this bill must be repealed.
For too long Congress has been content to let agencies write and enforce the laws when the responsibility was theirs alone.
AH_C on February 3, 2011 at 10:12 PM
Not just the White House, but 51 senators including Joe Manchin look foolish to the extreme.
The ObamaCare vote was probably rushed to hide the severability stunt as much as the bill’s other fatal flaws.
Terrie on February 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM
Looks like some of those administration chickens have come home to roost and they laid some big lead eggs…..There someone had to say it….and….one might say that Judge Vinson is The Cock of The Walk. LOL
devolvingtowardsidiocracy on February 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM
Thanks for posting the links.
whbates on February 3, 2011 at 10:28 PM
Wouldn’t a bill that includes waiver clauses, especially in this case when it affects every American in more ways than we can even imagine, and in which those Americans exempted are granted considerable financial, life, liberty and happiness benefits due to their exemption that are denied to other citizens who are not allowed exemptions, be unconstitutional due to the very fact that these waiver clauses themselves violate the equal protection clause?
tigerlily on February 3, 2011 at 10:29 PM
viking01 on February 3, 2011 at 9:11 PM
Zero gravity while in the driver seat = CRACK
…gateway drug at best.
Mord on February 3, 2011 at 10:32 PM
I think I got ya beat, Ed.
Not only did my father buy a Ford Pinto, but one day he also brought home a Chevy Vega. And once, even a Chevy Monza.
And he was a car freak. He read all the magazines. But for some odd reason he was attracted to some real clunkers.
At least he never voted for 0bama. :-)
UltimateBob on February 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM
We had a K Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-JhnIcZ6UQ
Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2011 at 10:44 PM
I don’t recall it as being a blunder. I seem to recall that they left it out on purpose.
Alana on February 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Back in our day we had no need for any such dope being more of the NASA clean-cut style pranks mentality avoiding the dopers. It was understood what Richard Pryor was joking about but our group, at least, didn’t need or seek that kind of rush.
viking01 on February 4, 2011 at 12:29 AM
Well, at least the Chevy Vega was supposed to be revolutionary (according to the car mags) with the aluminum block until they realized cast iron cylinder liners were needed. Much like the original non-stick skillets’ durability versus the current ones. A thread about the “car of the year” Volt a few weeks ago had a discussion about how the Renault Alliance in its day was the
revo(avoids word filter) … uh, groundbreaking economy car for 1982 which customers noticed was falling apart by 1983.Any owner of the K-car has my condolences. An acquaintance in the mid- 1980s had one. The trunk was used mostly to store repair parts. I think that fellow never left home without two spare water pumps and the tools to install. Someone should have engineered a mechanism for K-cars to automatically rotate a new water pump in place of the most recently failed one.
viking01 on February 4, 2011 at 12:56 AM
They don’t care one bit about “judicial activism.” In fact, they think judges should go beyond the law to promote the liberal agenda.
They call it “judicial activism” because most people in the country think judicial activism is bad, and they really, really want us to think the judge has no grounding for his decision except partisanship.
There Goes The Neighborhood on February 4, 2011 at 1:02 AM
Barry used to like doing coke while his hiney was being hammered by Frank Marshall Davis, his Marxist “mentor” who may have been his biological father (read both of their books – pretty obvious who the young blonde Frank was banging was).
Say, if a million people marched on DC would this regime just leave?
Adjoran on February 4, 2011 at 1:08 AM
Far as I know Ed, the exploding Pinto was a MYTH.
Can we please stop perpetrating this lie?
Badger40 on February 4, 2011 at 8:20 AM
Are you kidding? Its about as effective as ‘another sternly worded letter’ to KimIlJung. A million march to DC would change nothing. Most people don’t seem to understand, you can’t just have them ‘leave’, they simply go crawl under another rock and wait. They have to be removed, permanently and publicly, ala Mussolini, disgraced in pictures for all the history books to print.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but its the survival of the Nation at stake here.
The trick of course is to not have BH0 become a martyr. The twist is the puppet master might make him one anyway.
Wrap your head around that strategy.(paging Vince Foster.)
orbitalair on February 4, 2011 at 8:29 AM
I’ve read a lot on this, too.
But I’m not sure I buy it.
At the very least, BO was mentored by a communist (FBI files indicate he was a REGISTERED member of the CPUSA) bcs the guy wrote for communist newspapers, ran in communist circles (most certainly the only reason he showed up in HI was for propaganda puproses for the CPUSA since that is what he wrote) & had LOTS of communist friends.
It isn’t any accident that BO is also surrounded by communists, Ex-SDS & Weather Underground members either.
I believe BO is nothing but a DUPE for the old communists who lead him around by the nose.
BO thinks he’s in charge, but they manipulate & guide him invisibly.
And no that’s not conspiracy thinking.
Anyone with a brain can look at the people he surrounds himself with & understand this.
Badger40 on February 4, 2011 at 8:32 AM
President Jackson came into office with and gave his First Annual Message to Congress (well before the Trail of Tears started) with this as part of it, and it is a long, long Message:
When President Jackson got the SCOTUS ruling later in his tenure and asked about how to enforce it, he was not prancing in the face of the SCOTUS but asking a serious question. The Georgia Militia outnumbered (and probably outgunned) the US Army at that point in time, so there was no way that he was going to be able to force Georgia to give up its land so as to establish an Indian State within it.
I find it amusing for Leftists to point at the Trail of Tears and say they know everything they needed to know about Jackson without reading his prior governmental address or addressing the fact he had adopted an Indian child after one of the more horrific raids he conducted. His viewpoint, and that of much of America, was that the Indian tribes needed to settle and declare space for themselves either via treaty arrangement in unclaimed land or via negotiation within the States. The States, singularly, were under no obligation to negotiate, however and the crux of the problem of what to do with people who should be considered citizens who were not acting like citizens, nor respecting the civil laws of their States and wishing to redraw the boundaries long after the States were established is not an easy one for anyone to consider.
He was not being flip about the SCOTUS decision. Not only couldn’t he force Georgia to deal with the tribes, but he couldn’t force the tribes to abide by the laws of the State, save through bloodshed. And attempting anything that Georgia hadn’t signed up to via federal law was inviting a very hostile reception. He could and did face down North Carolina previous to that, and it would have sundered the Union over taxation if NC didn’t back down. For Georgia to give up her sovereign lands, at that point, would have invited a war… so that wasn’t happening. Georgia also wasn’t getting cooperation from the tribes, so a civil understanding wasn’t going on. The tribes weren’t getting their way, either, and if something wasn’t done there would be a horrific end to it. Where was the SCOTUS ruling going? Who could enforce it in that day and age? Thus Congress acted… wrongly, but all the ‘right’ choices were gone by then.
I have yet to hear, from anyone, on what President Jackson ‘should’ have done given his resources, the state of affairs between the various States and the tribes involved, the SCOTUS decision, the state of the US Army vice the Georgia militia, limitations of the federal government with regard to State borders… yes it is later written as a boastful, prideful matter of ‘let the court figure out how to enforce it’s decision’. Matters at the time were not cut and dried then. People can decide if what he was purported to say was defiance, or simply a statement that encapsulated the position he was in. I tend to the latter as I look more into the matter, the worse it looks from every side given the society as it was then. That period is a mark of shame upon the President, Congress, States and Nation as a whole… yet I have trouble seeing what the ‘right’ thing to do was that could have been thought of by those people at that time. Perhaps Crockett should have pushed Jackson more on the initial good will demonstrated in his earlier letters, but the two men did have a dislike for each other. You can judge for yourself reading about the times and what was written by the men involved. Fun it is not.
ajacksonian on February 4, 2011 at 9:33 AM
My older brother had a silver/gray Ford Pinto wagon. With bubble windows in the back.
mechkiller_k on February 4, 2011 at 9:50 AM
It is easy to make judgements about historical figures based on our hindsight, which is 20/20.
As an amateur history buff & amateur genealogist, it is important for me to try & put myself in the shoes of these people, by learning the mindset of the times & the way people believed & conducted themselves.
The modern mind is very much different from other times.
The slavery question dealing with men like Jefferson & Washington is one of these, like the Indian question you posted.
Anyone who reads a lot about these men, especially in their own words, understand the condundrum they were in regarding slavery.
Those who do not know their history often make ignorant, sweeping statements full of half truths & outright myths & lies.
Badger40 on February 4, 2011 at 10:14 AM
Hey! In defense of the Pinto:
The Pinto (and the really, really horrible Vega.) Were the result of car companies reacting to the new CAFE standards.
You know the ones where car designs were mandated by various and sundry Lawyers, Doctors and Dentists, real estate agents, teachers and other folks without any sort of mechanical/automotive engineering background that managed to get themselves elected to the House and Senate?
In a small car, you can only put the fuel tank in so many places and in a small car, none of them are protected by strong box beam rails or thick sheet metal body work and steel bumpers.
The problem was gas tank design wasn’t adapted to the new exposure of the tank to impact forces. Plus in the case of the Vega and Pinto, their body design left little room between the rear bumper and the tank. So with the slight rise in the rear (from the lighter load compared to the front) this created a wedge effect: a car striking from the rear would push the smaller car up over it’s hood thus impacting the gas tank almost immediately. Gas tank splits, gas contacts hot exhaust/sparks and KABLOOEY.
Thank you government mandated vehicle standards.
(I don’t forgive the Manufacturers failure to anticipate this but still, they had to implement the law fairly fast and still maintain a production rate that would enable them to make some kind of profit or — NO MORE CARS AT ALL!)
jcw46 on February 4, 2011 at 7:15 PM
Excellent points!!! And Obambi is totally wrong here to defy the courts when it is within his power to cease and desist. Make your case, appeal, but in the end comply.
AH_C on February 4, 2011 at 9:54 PM