Civility in discourse on display at Koch protest

posted at 2:15 pm on January 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Remember how the Left claimed that incivility in discourse on the Right caused the shootings in Tucson that left six dead and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords gravely wounded, along with more than a dozen others?   Despite the lack of any evidence that the shooter in that case was motivated by anything except his delusions about mind control through grammar and a personal grudge against Giffords for not responding to his question on that topic properly, progressive groups rushed to condemn the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.  The media, meanwhile, insisted on having a “conversation” about civility in politics as a problem mainly contained to the Right.

So how has this intense navel-gazing improved political discourse?  According to the Daily Caller and Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post, not much.  Several progressive political-action groups organized a protest at a conference held by the Koch family on politics, and over a thousand people turned out to block the street.  The Daily Caller described the organizing prior to the conference:

Prior to the rally, the liberal group plans to host an opposition panel discussion called, “Uncloaking the Kochs: The Billionaires’ Caucus and its Threat to our Democracy.” The featured speakers include Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary and now chairman of Common Case’s National Governing Board; Van Jones, Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress and former “Green Jobs Czar”; Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California-Irvine; Lee Fang, an journalist at the Center for American Progress; and DeAnn McEwen, co-President of the California Nurses Association.

“Our goal here for the panel Sunday is to talk about the Billionaires Caucus agenda, its human impact and what can be done to restore the voices of ordinary Americans to the our political process,” explained Bob Edgar, president of Common Cause.“Our government is supposed to be of, by and for the people, but it has been hijacked by self-interested billionaires. We must take it back. “

Despite the hyperbole, the Koch conference doesn’t sound so different from many off-the-record political conferences, including those held by the professional left. Shortly after the 2010 elections, for example, liberal groups converged on Washington D.C.’s Oriental Mandarin hotel, The meeting, hosted by Democracy Alliance featured liberal leaders such as Van Jones, hedge fund manager Donald Sussman, and AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka. Michael Vachon, a George Soros representative, Peter Lewis, CEO of Progressive Insurance; and Fred Baron, the former president of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America also attended.

Jennifer picks it up afterward:

On Sunday, the protest group swelled to 1,000 and blocked the street for nearly an hour. In a pre-arranged arrest, authorities cuffed and removed 25 protesters. Apparently, the leftists don’t consider the Jewish Funds for Justice’s missive on improper use of Nazi references to apply to them …

She has the photo taken by Dan Comstock, seen on the front page, with a protest sign that reads “NEUTER FERAL FATCATS,” with the “S” turned into a swastika.  Comstock also has a photo of a protester in a Guy Fawkes mask from the film V For Vendetta, a Bush-era film that celebrates violence and terrorism to overthrow a fascist British government.  Protesters shouted, “No justice, no peace” and “Traitors,” as well as holding other signs that claimed “Koch kills.”

The Koch spokesperson wondered aloud:

“This is the kind of ‘civil debate’ the left wants to have after Tucson?”

Apparently.  And there’s nothing wrong with any of the above described protests, except for (a) they’re wrong on the merits, and (b) the blatant hypocrisy on display.  Calling the Kochs Nazis, traitors, and murderers may not be terrible nice, and certainly it’s idiotic, especially in terms of the Nazi charge.  The evil of Naziism wasn’t in holding political conferences, and all that charge shows is how ignorant and unintelligent the person is who makes it.  There’s nothing out of bounds with wearing a Fawkes mask either, although it’s much more explicitly a call for violent action than a crosshair or bullseye on a map.  The best remedy for all of that is to take pictures and use free speech to show just how moronic this display and Koch paranoia really is.

The hypocrisy, though, is simply breathtaking.  Where are the media scolds now holding Common Cause, CAP, Robert Reich, and Erwin Chemerinsky to account for the actions of the crowd they attracted?


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Lynch was good today.

workingclass artist on May 22, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I believe the “overreach” meme is pathetic and not gaining traction. Let them explain why civil servants need to take the 5th.

rob verdi on May 22, 2013 at 9:27 PM

I am always suspicious of a Democrat wanting accountability with consequences rather than the standard fare of counseling and training. There were several D’s today acting fiery and only could surmise they must be up for reelection in ’14….

hillsoftx on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Future headline – Lynch Primaried Out of a Job

Steve Eggleston on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Poor Penny pritzker forgot to put down that other 80 million she made,seems the dems have a really tough time with math.But that little mistake will hardly rule her out as sec commerce.

rodguy911 on May 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM

His opening statement also served to undercut the notion that these hearings are all “GOP overreach.”

Outside the beltway, I think the IRS overreach resonates more than the administration hopes. You don’t have to be a conservative to understand that the IRS is guilty of abuse of the very significant powers they have.

In short, the GOP will have to work very hard if they are to get that overrreach charge to stick. They won’t get there by expecting the truth out of arrogant cows like Lerner.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Sounds good except for the Special Prosecutor part. If there is a Special Prosecutor, I can reliably predict that his report won’t be made public until December of 2014 at the earliest.

You know it’s true.

Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM

been watching this go on on and on, but what will come of it, absolutely nothing, the senate might flip, but don’t bet the farm on it. the D’s have election fixing down to a science. will the mediate go against them don’t expect it, just a lover’s quarrel, they will make up in the end. to borrow from Shakespeare, the sound and fury signifying nothing.

RonK on May 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

I am always suspicious of a Democrat wanting accountability with consequences rather than the standard fare of counseling and training. There were several D’s today acting fiery and only could surmise they must be up for reelection in ’14….

hillsoftx on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

True.

There are congressmen that are offended by the continual dismissive attitude toward congress by this imperious executive who seems to forget that congress is a co-equal branch. And some of those might be democrats.

We’ll see if it’s more than posturing but after today Lynch is probably on Il Duce’s enemies list.

workingclass artist on May 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Sounds good except for the Special Prosecutor part. If there is a Special Prosecutor, I can reliably predict that his report won’t be made public until December of 2014 at the earliest.

You know it’s true.

Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM

You are more than likely correct, however, even the fact that there is a special prosecutor might make more Americans take notice. Hopefully, that is.

Amjean on May 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM

New Liberal Definition of Overreach: Realizing the majority of Americans already despise and distrust the government, especially the IRS, you GOP really shouldn’t be twisting the knife on this issue, because you know….fairness and all that, (and we’re totally screwed).

can_con on May 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM

I guess now Lynch will be considered to have ‘lost credibility’ to many on the Left, including our trolls, much the same way they say LSM journalists seeking the truth of the scandals have lost it.

Maybe this was a fluke, a happenstance. We’ll have to see over time if Lynch sticks to the impression he made today or if he ‘evolves’.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:46 PM

however, even the fact that there is a special prosecutor might make more Americans take notice. Hopefully, that is.

Amjean on May 22, 2013 at 9:45 PM

The only way a more Americans would take notice, would be if the Special Prosecutor was a contestant on Dancing with the Stars.

can_con on May 22, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Civil disobedience will soon be making a comeback…

d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts came down on the IRS’ witnesses admirably today, knocking them for abuses of freedom of speech and breaches of trust by comparing them to those routinely employed in Communist, repressive regimes.

Communist, repressive regimes always have a leader, like Stalin, Ceauşescu, Castro, Mao. Does he say out loud who that leader is here?

VorDaj on May 22, 2013 at 9:48 PM

So are McCain and Carl Levin on the case? They’re not? No threats, harsh words? Nope, that is for you fkhead wacky birds.

arnold ziffel on May 22, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Come on, this guy is obviously a massive racist. I mean, just look at his name. Typical crazy right-wing…. Massachusetts Democrat.

Gingotts on May 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM

We’ll see if it’s more than posturing but after today Lynch is probably on Il Duce’s enemies list.

workingclass artist on May 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Maybe he should invest in a few burner phones.

Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 9:49 PM

By the way, this is the guy who lost the primary in Massachusetts against Markey. Really is a shame. Though perhaps if he won and were in the midst of a general election campaign, he wouldn’t have had guts enough to shred the IRS like this.

Gingotts on May 22, 2013 at 9:51 PM

So, Tea Party grannies get a rectal and Pinchin’ Penny’s Pritzker gets a pass on an $80million woopsie??? WTH???

ted c on May 22, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Meanwhile, gangs of “youths” are rioting in Stockholm, shouting “Allah akbar!”

John the Libertarian on May 22, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts came down on the IRS’ witnesses admirably today, knocking them for abuses of freedom of speech and breaches of trust by comparing them to those routinely employed in Communist, repressive regimes.

And rightly so, because the comparison is valid.

The threat of prosecution for tax fraud is the Kremlin’s weapon of choice against anyone who dares to challenge its hegemony.

When Mikhail Khodorkovsky, once the richest man in Russia, used his oil wealth to promote human rights and democracy, Putin detected a threat to his throne.

The oligarch was duly arrested and convicted of fraud. He now languishes in a Siberian jail where he is in the third year of an eight-year prison sentence.

- The Daily Mail, May 17, 2008

Update:

While still serving his sentence, Khodorkovsky and business partner Platon Lebedev were further charged and found guilty of embezzlement and money laundering in December 2010, extending his prison sentence to 2017. There is on-going debate about whether the trials and sentencing were politically motivated.

ITguy on May 22, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Oh, about that transparency thing..

The investigation of Rosen was first reported Monday, after The Washington Post obtained court documents containing details of the case.

A federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed in November 2011, but they were kept sealed for 18 months and not posted on the court’s online docket until last week, after The Post inquired about them.

Lamberth blamed a series of administrative errors and said a review of the “performance of the personnel involved is underway.

Lucy Ricardo has been ordered to investigate Sgt. Schultz.

Speaking on lunatic women, has DWS made a sound in the last 2 weeks?

Bueller? Bueller?

BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 10:14 PM

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pritzker_family,
Penny Pritzker appears to be a cousin of Margot Marshall Pritzker.

And there is a Margot Pritzker who serves with Michelle Obama on the Board of Directors of The Chicago Council on Global Affairs

ITguy on May 22, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts came down on the IRS’ witnesses admirably today, knocking them for abuses of freedom of speech and breaches of trust by comparing them to those routinely employed in Communist, repressive regimes.

Yeah, well BO learned from the master.

Buy Danish on May 22, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Meanwhile, gangs of “youths” are rioting in Stockholm, shouting “Allah akbar!”

John the Libertarian on May 22, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Get it right sir, it’s Allahu Ahkbar. You no get no more warnins impedel.

arnold ziffel on May 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM

I am always suspicious of a Democrat wanting accountability with consequences rather than the standard fare of counseling and training. There were several D’s today acting fiery and only could surmise they must be up for reelection in ’14….

hillsoftx on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

They’re all up for re-election as they are in the house. However, I am going to defend, as much as I don’t like them, a couple of them. Cummings and Lynch could’ve been as easy on them as they wanted and get re-elected. Cummings represents MD-7 which is a D+23 district. Stephen Lynch represents MA-8 which is a D+9 district. As safe as they are, they were a lot tougher than I though they would be and were far superior to the rest of the democrats.

topdawg on May 22, 2013 at 10:28 PM

John the Libertarian on May 22, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Let enough of these loser muzzie aholez in any country and they will turn it into Harlem on the Rio Grande without bricks and mortar.

SparkPlug on May 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM

arnold ziffel on May 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Are there any happy rag heads? They always seem to be irritated and miserable stoning each other and blowing themselves up bending over 5 times a day to bixch and moan but never seem to care about how they smell.

SparkPlug on May 22, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Don’t threaten.

F*CKING. DO. IT.

NOW.

Midas on May 22, 2013 at 11:43 PM

arnold ziffel on May 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM

SparkPlug on May 22, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Their deep-seated resentment stems, in part, from pointing to an unfortunate woman and her feet barely peeking out of a portable tent and claiming it’s their “hot girlfriend over there” at which point their friends laugh, scoff and call BS even if the claim were true… because seeing is believing.

viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 11:56 PM

So I see Penny is doing Chicago proud.

Just an $80 million dollar oversight – no biggie.

$#%@ this administration!

Hill60 on May 22, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Michael Iannoti is an IRS agent in New Haven CT. Issa should have him testify about why he went after Anne Hendershott.

This should make you mad.

Jasper61 on May 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Here’s one of the reasons why the IG George was squirming later in the afternoon…

Update per Issa: “E-mails between @GOPoversight and IG show IG delayed reporting findings of #IRS investigation to Congress http://t.co/xMffZUSsRC

workingclass artist on May 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Lynch is my rep and he is a good guy. He is often at odds with “mainstream” liberals in MA and likely why he lost the primary to total Elizabeth Warrenesque Moonbat Libtard, Ed Markey.

roy_batty on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

roy_batty on May 23, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Lynch is basically useless. He’s also my rep and I always either vote against him, or if a RINO is running, leave the race blank. This was a nice show, and I am sure that in his heart of hearts Lynch would prefer not to be part of the “go along to get along” crowd of Boston/Northeast Irish Americans who have sold their souls to the diseased Democratic party. However, he is always a good soldier and his motto (like his fellow Irish-American sellout brethren) is always: “Democrats uber alles”. I’ve lived in Boston all my life and his breed is not reliable.

wraithby on May 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM