Civility in discourse on display at Koch protest

posted at 2:15 pm on January 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Remember how the Left claimed that incivility in discourse on the Right caused the shootings in Tucson that left six dead and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords gravely wounded, along with more than a dozen others?   Despite the lack of any evidence that the shooter in that case was motivated by anything except his delusions about mind control through grammar and a personal grudge against Giffords for not responding to his question on that topic properly, progressive groups rushed to condemn the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.  The media, meanwhile, insisted on having a “conversation” about civility in politics as a problem mainly contained to the Right.

So how has this intense navel-gazing improved political discourse?  According to the Daily Caller and Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post, not much.  Several progressive political-action groups organized a protest at a conference held by the Koch family on politics, and over a thousand people turned out to block the street.  The Daily Caller described the organizing prior to the conference:

Prior to the rally, the liberal group plans to host an opposition panel discussion called, “Uncloaking the Kochs: The Billionaires’ Caucus and its Threat to our Democracy.” The featured speakers include Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary and now chairman of Common Case’s National Governing Board; Van Jones, Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress and former “Green Jobs Czar”; Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California-Irvine; Lee Fang, an journalist at the Center for American Progress; and DeAnn McEwen, co-President of the California Nurses Association.

“Our goal here for the panel Sunday is to talk about the Billionaires Caucus agenda, its human impact and what can be done to restore the voices of ordinary Americans to the our political process,” explained Bob Edgar, president of Common Cause.“Our government is supposed to be of, by and for the people, but it has been hijacked by self-interested billionaires. We must take it back. “

Despite the hyperbole, the Koch conference doesn’t sound so different from many off-the-record political conferences, including those held by the professional left. Shortly after the 2010 elections, for example, liberal groups converged on Washington D.C.’s Oriental Mandarin hotel, The meeting, hosted by Democracy Alliance featured liberal leaders such as Van Jones, hedge fund manager Donald Sussman, and AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka. Michael Vachon, a George Soros representative, Peter Lewis, CEO of Progressive Insurance; and Fred Baron, the former president of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America also attended.

Jennifer picks it up afterward:

On Sunday, the protest group swelled to 1,000 and blocked the street for nearly an hour. In a pre-arranged arrest, authorities cuffed and removed 25 protesters. Apparently, the leftists don’t consider the Jewish Funds for Justice’s missive on improper use of Nazi references to apply to them …

She has the photo taken by Dan Comstock, seen on the front page, with a protest sign that reads “NEUTER FERAL FATCATS,” with the “S” turned into a swastika.  Comstock also has a photo of a protester in a Guy Fawkes mask from the film V For Vendetta, a Bush-era film that celebrates violence and terrorism to overthrow a fascist British government.  Protesters shouted, “No justice, no peace” and “Traitors,” as well as holding other signs that claimed “Koch kills.”

The Koch spokesperson wondered aloud:

“This is the kind of ‘civil debate’ the left wants to have after Tucson?”

Apparently.  And there’s nothing wrong with any of the above described protests, except for (a) they’re wrong on the merits, and (b) the blatant hypocrisy on display.  Calling the Kochs Nazis, traitors, and murderers may not be terrible nice, and certainly it’s idiotic, especially in terms of the Nazi charge.  The evil of Naziism wasn’t in holding political conferences, and all that charge shows is how ignorant and unintelligent the person is who makes it.  There’s nothing out of bounds with wearing a Fawkes mask either, although it’s much more explicitly a call for violent action than a crosshair or bullseye on a map.  The best remedy for all of that is to take pictures and use free speech to show just how moronic this display and Koch paranoia really is.

The hypocrisy, though, is simply breathtaking.  Where are the media scolds now holding Common Cause, CAP, Robert Reich, and Erwin Chemerinsky to account for the actions of the crowd they attracted?


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tingles to praise this group in 5…4….3

cmsinaz on January 31, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I’ll see your neutering and raise you a lobotomy!

Shy Guy on January 31, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Crickets chirping while waiting for the media’s coverage on this. Wacko libs blaming Palin in 3…2…1…

search4truth on January 31, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Calling someone a hypocrite is something only a Nazi would do.

a capella on January 31, 2011 at 2:21 PM

explained Bob Edgar, president of Common Cause.“Our government is supposed to be of, by and for the people, but it has been hijacked by self-interested billionaires.

Anything to get any possible focus off “the holidays” in St. Bart’s and the Davos self-indulgence. The Left is only bothered about “billionaires” when they are not Leftwing.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Where are the media scolds now holding Common Cause, CAP, Robert Reich, and Erwin Chemerinsky to account for the actions of the crowd they attracted?

I don’t think you understand the definition of the term “civility” here, Ed. It means “agreeing with the left.” Look it up (in the NYTimes edition of the dictionary).

iurockhead on January 31, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I uploaded this video last night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nGYp8WYu1c

Apparently Greenpeace is there as well. And they had a blimp

And Van Jones is also there

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=107689095972922&id=314670616874

The counter-meeting, dubbed “Uncloaking the Kochs,” will feature former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, Oakland green energy activist Van Jones, and constitutional scholar Edwin Chemerinsky at a panel discussion at the Hilton Rancho Mirage, two blocks from where the Koch group is meeting. Protesters will rally afterward on the street.

William Amos on January 31, 2011 at 2:27 PM

I don’t think you understand the definition of the term “civility” here, Ed. It means “agreeing with the left.” Look it up (in the NYTimes edition of the dictionary).

iurockhead on January 31, 2011 at 2:26 PM

So-called Liberals only what Liberty for themselves,

Chip on January 31, 2011 at 2:30 PM

And about the Left, this sums up the inevitable lies by the Left as to this vein of the Lying:

…the rabbis have every right to give liberals a free pass. But in doing so they damage their own standing and the impact of this letter. Right and left, Jew and non-Jew, would be well-served if the rabbis did not use their positions to condemn inappropriate Holocaust language and anti-Semitic language only when voiced by those whose politics they disagree with.

What those Leftwingers have accomplished is a growing deaf-ear to their complaints because people are mistrustful of their use of the Holocaust to push Leftwing politics and their use of that to attack the “politics of those they disagree with”.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 2:31 PM

What this is is a pushback by the Soros crowd. They are right about one thing:

“Our government is supposed to be of, by and for the people, but it has been hijacked by self-interested billionaires. We must take it back. “

Of course it’s the standard far left tactic: Accuse the other side of what you’re doing. These clowns are bought and paid for by billionaire George Soros who made/makes his money by destroying enconomies.

And if anybody deserves a Nazi label it’s George who tellingly described the best time in his life as when, as a young man, he was working for a Nazi confescating the property of Jews and sending them off to the gas chambers.

These people should be in jail for treason and sedition.

shmendrick on January 31, 2011 at 2:32 PM

We fall for this every time.

faraway on January 31, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Kill Feral Cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Burton on January 31, 2011 at 2:33 PM

If I’ve read history accurately, many A CONSERVATIVE individual lost their life in WWII, associated with the Holocaust if not included in it. “Jew and non-Jew” who perished at the hands of that evil, among which was many A CONSERVATIVE person.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 2:34 PM

You can always count on the left to projec. They know there is no answer to George Soros on the right, but they will damn sure try to manufacture one, all the while denying Soros’ influence.

Kataklysmic on January 31, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Alinsky: 4,000,000
Us: 0

We always lose.

faraway on January 31, 2011 at 2:36 PM

…the professional left. Shortly after the 2010 elections, for example, liberal groups converged on Washington D.C.’s Oriental Mandarin hotel, The meeting, hosted by Democracy Alliance featured liberal leaders such as Van Jones, hedge fund manager Donald Sussman, and AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka. Michael Vachon, a George Soros representative, Peter Lewis, CEO of Progressive Insurance; and Fred Baron, the former president of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America also attended.

In other words, the Communist Committee among the DNC (Pelosi attended by proxy).

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

On the issue of civility, check our MM on “Civility Watch”!
We are suppose to be nice, pc, sit with d’s at the sotu to say how civil we are and these slugs do this?
L

letget on January 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Self interested billionaires

IRONY ALERT!!!!

Soros?

PappyD61 on January 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

She has the photo taken by Dan Comstock, seen on the front page, with a protest sign that reads “NEUTER FERAL FATCATS,” with the “S” turned into a swastika.

This is starting to get tiresome:

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei translated to National Socialist German Workers Party

The end results by the Statists in the Progressive Soviet Union were not that much different that the results from the National Socialists in Germany.

What does it really matter what you call evil?

Chip on January 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Let’s make sure Hugh Hewitt asks Erwin about this little stunt next time “The Smart Guys” are on. I know EC is a lefty but this is still disappointing.

princetrumpet on January 31, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Great just spoted anopther sign that called for Supreme Court Justices to be removed from their seats for voting for Citizens United.

William Amos on January 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

I agree with these folks. I want billions out of the political process too. Maybe Obama, who lied about his promise to enter the public financing of the election, so he could take in nearly a billion dollars (much of which was secret), needs to start….

TheBlueSite on January 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

To point out the hypocracy of the left and their media is only to make minor debating points. Truth is not a commodity that is of any concern to the far left. Their only truth is the propaganda line for the day which is ALWAYS designed to somehow influence the masses they see as asses.

It’s important to call them out on their lies and hypocracy but more needs to be done. They need to be called out for the traitors and seditionists that they are since that is their real agenda and everyone who has an once of common sense and/or reality knows it.

shmendrick on January 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Wow! And as has been reported….tea partiers are more violent than this? *sigh*

It simply amazes me that anyone considers the msm’s any kind of media at all. Because they aren’t. Not anymore!

CNN tries to pretend they are, but by their absence in all of this, it proves one thing. They wear a mask, but still shill for O and his agenda.

capejasmine on January 31, 2011 at 2:47 PM

What does it really matter what you call evil?

Chip on January 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM

It doesn’t. Just make sure that you point it out as loudly and as often as you see it rear it’s ugly head.

Remember:

“All that’s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

shmendrick on January 31, 2011 at 2:47 PM

The fact that this crap doesn’t get the dead horse beating treatment a la Sarah Palin, just goes to show not only the hypocrisy of the Left, but also the treasonous attitude of it.
To attempt to silence a fellow American citizen into silence, is nothing less than treason.
The idiot protesters should be tried for actions in direct violation of Constitutionally protected Rights. And nothing less.
You want to live like a Communist? Go live WITH them.

KMC1 on January 31, 2011 at 2:49 PM

The way the blm act, they will blame the conference for the protesters…you can’t win with this blm…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2011 at 2:52 PM

OT: Kelly says ruling is individual mandate is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

John the Libertarian on January 31, 2011 at 2:55 PM

One additional note: Inside the same conference center as the conservatives was a conference of judges from the Ninth Circuit. The recent death of a federal judge in Arizona did not give the mob pause about the propriety of their actions.

J_Crater on January 31, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Well one thing is certain…Nazi’s were not hypocrites. They hated Jews and left no doubt. Hitler wasn’t a hypocrite either, he hated Jews and left no doubt.
You see, not being a hypocrite is not so good…is it?
Being true to your beliefs, doesn’t make you a “good” person.
Many dictators are not hypocrites, they outright will say they will kill anyone who does not support them.
The fact is, hypocrite is a word few understand.
I don’t care if someone is a “hypocrite” or not, but I do care what they stand for.
And this group stands to take down free speech, and all that goes with it.

right2bright on January 31, 2011 at 2:56 PM

I take it, leftist trash aren’t proud enough of their own ideas and world view, to have a conference? Instead, all they can do is go after…libertarians?!

MNHawk on January 31, 2011 at 3:04 PM

What does it really matter what you call evil?

Chip on January 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM

It doesn’t. Just make sure that you point it out as loudly and as often as you see it rear it’s ugly head.

Remember:

“All that’s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

shmendrick on January 31, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Yes, that is my point – whether you call it Communism, Fascism, Leninism, National Socialism, Progressivism, it does not matter.

What does matter is that it is at it’s heart anti-Liberty, because you cannot “spread the wealth around” without pointing a gun at someone and taking their property.

You cannot call for “Civility” for the opposition (and ignore the same on you side) without diminishing some people’s right to free speech.

And you can’t ‘Move Forward’ when you want to go back to ideas that have been a total disaster In the past.

Chip on January 31, 2011 at 3:06 PM

And there’s nothing wrong with any of the above described protests, except for (a) they’re wrong on the merits, and (b) the blatant hypocrisy on display. Calling the Kochs Nazis, traitors, and murderers may not be terrible nice, and certainly it’s idiotic, especially in terms of the Nazi charge.

I was brought up to believe that character is all. Vicious libel, slander, and smearing are stock-in-trade for the Left as they engage in their ceaseless, orchestrated efforts to destroy their opponents’ good names, livelihoods, and lives. This behavior is beyond “not nice.” It is evil.

DrMagnolias on January 31, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I am so disappointed in Erwin Chemerinsky, I know he’s a lefty but I didn’t think he would be part of this type of group.

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Kill Feral Cats!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tim Burton on January 31, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Come and get us, Timmy.

DamnCat on January 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Remember what has often been said (I think Krauthammer said it recently) “Conservatives think liberals are wrong, liberals think conservatives are evil.” Therefore, they can justify their hypocrisy in their minds, because they think they are fighting evil. I don’t think liberals are wrong. I think liberalism is a mental disease.

DougV on January 31, 2011 at 3:21 PM

The hypocrisy, though, is simply breathtaking.

Nothing new to see. Move on. They wear the hypocrisy as a badge of honor.

GarandFan on January 31, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Expecting a leftist to behave civilly is like expecting a stray feline in heat not to cry for attention. Unpossible.

This whole exercise by the left and their promoters in the media is an exercise in seeing how far they can push us to get us to act out violently. You know I joked a few weeks back about this movie The Ri+e and it being another attack on conservative values. What’s the tagline to the film? Watch as a man leaves his senses and descends into madness, The Ri+e. I see now where the hollywood establishment is pushing this film for Oscar consideration.

The guy who said they are trying to Gaslight us hit it on the head. They know the right has to be on it’s best behavior or the media will frame it, the Right as the problem in society. So they pick pick pick at the scab. They are going to try and do a headjob on us. Drive us nuts Alinsky style. It’s almost like this is the USSR. Bastards.

pc on January 31, 2011 at 3:40 PM

They don’t wear hypocrisy as a badge of honor. They use it as a psychological warfare weapon.

pc on January 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Come and get us, Timmy.

DamnCat on January 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Okay, that’s funny.

DrMagnolias on January 31, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Liberals love them some violence.

WarEagle01 on January 31, 2011 at 4:03 PM

This whole exercise by the left and their promoters in the media is an exercise in seeing how far they can push us to get us to act out violently.

Actually, I believe they are ready to take it to the next level and all Hell is going to break loose within the next few weeks.

It is my opinion that the violent leftists will mirror what is taking place in Egypt. The leftists won’t attack the government because they have a sympathetic president who is looking for a fundamental transformation to take place in our country. Obama will take change any way he can get it, even if there are riots in the streets. The “have nots” are going to go after the “haves”. And I think Obama will react as if people have many reasons to rise up against the “privileged”.

The frustration is mounting as far as the left is concerned and they are ready to “take it to the streets and the neighborhoods.” This demonstration at the Koch conference is only the beginning and the protests will continue at every opportunity until it gets ugly from one end of this country to the other.

I’m on my way out the door to stock up on ammo. I intend to be ready to defend my home and my family.

metroryder on January 31, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Guess lefty Billionaires are exempt from these pantywaists protests eh?

chickasaw42 on January 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Here’s how the AP and Yahoo are portraying this story:

25 arrested at California conservative meeting

Spotting this headline on Yahoo’s front page, I thought, what did those crazy effing teabaggers do to get themselves arrested?

Initially, I went to another site to see how my windmill stocks were doing, then I came back to Yahoo’s front page, and behold, the headline was gone! So I Googled “crazy baggers” and found the story which I just linked to, and to my dismay, I found that it wasn’t the sacksuckers who did this. Instead, it was the people on my own side—twenty-five of them! So how could they call it a “mostly peaceful demonstration”? Come to think of it, I don’t recall seeing police in riot gear arresting Dubya devotees all that often at TP demonstrations. So what gives?

Could it be that the Tea Par—I mean Bags—aren’t the stupid, racist, unpatriotic people I thought they were? No…they have to be…that’s all I’ve ever been told about them…my people are good people…they care about equality and the environment and stuff…

What? Assassination rap? How can that b—

Ow, my head hurts. Make it stop. I don’t know what to believe anymore. O Great Kal-Gor, take me awayyy…

CO2 Producer on January 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM

The Left always rolls out the swastikas…this is what they do. Generally they don’t get covered in the press, however. The MSM scrubs and sanitizes leftist protests as a rule.

Asher on January 31, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Wait. Is neutering cruel? Or good? I can never keep it straight.

Somebody call PETA.

The hypocrisy, though, is simply breathtaking. Where are the media scolds now holding Common Cause, CAP, Robert Reich, and Erwin Chemerinsky to account for the actions of the crowd they attracted?

Yeah, um, that’s rhetorical, right?

Whatever. It’s Glenn Beck’s fault. Or maybe Bristol Palin’s. Pay attention, people. If you didn’t watch so much Faux News, you’d understand how the reality-based world operates.

Also, there may be Jews involved. They usually are.

Professor Blather on January 31, 2011 at 4:48 PM

If I’ve read history accurately, many A CONSERVATIVE individual lost their life in WWII, associated with the Holocaust if not included in it. “Jew and non-Jew” who perished at the hands of that evil, among which was many A CONSERVATIVE person.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Wrong.

Conservatives never do anything good.

The Nazis were the conservatives. All the brave allied soldiers and sailors? The resistance fighters? Those folks were all liberals.

Duh.

I mean, Jesus, people. This stuff isn’t that hard. It’s all over the Internet. Why are you so full of hate?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2011 at 4:51 PM

The frustration is mounting as far as the left is concerned and they are ready to “take it to the streets and the neighborhoods.” This demonstration at the Koch conference is only the beginning and the protests will continue at every opportunity until it gets ugly from one end of this country to the other.

I’m on my way out the door to stock up on ammo. I intend to be ready to defend my home and my family.

metroryder on January 31, 2011 at 4:10 PM

It would be hilarious if liberals tried that here in Nashville.

Not sure where you are … but I’m feeling pretty safe from the Liberal Hordes in these here parts.

You can borrow some of my ammo, if you want.

Look, despite all the useless sound and fury, liberals self-identify as at most 20% of the population. That 20% is overwhelmingly confined to a few small enclaves in the major urban centers and in the northeast. And of that 20%, probably 95% has zero interest in coming out of their parents’ basements to actually do anything.

A liberal uprising would be … well, nasty, brutish, and short. And really, really entertaining.

I’m almost sad we’d be missing it in Tennessee. Maybe I could crash at somebody’s house in NYC to watch the festivities?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The civility issue is a sideshow to the hypocrisy of groups funded by by George Soros yelping that “Our government is supposed to be of, by and for the people, but it has been hijacked by self-interested billionaires. We must take it back.“

Maybe Soros is a trillionaire now, which would technically exempt him from these charges.

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I am so disappointed in Erwin Chemerinsky, I know he’s a lefty but I didn’t think he would be part of this type of group.

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Yes, me, too. Extremely disappointed in his disappointing Leftwingism. And activism as this reveals. So much for “Justice is blind.” In Chemerinsky’s case, it seems “damn justice.”

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Let’s see… I wonder what the unions are up to? Hmm, I wonder what it could be?

“The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness….Hence, our task, the task of Social-Democracy, is to combat spontaneity, to divert the working-class movement from this spontaneous, trade-unionist striving to come under the wing of the bourgeoisie, and to bring it under the wing of revolutionary Social Democracy.”

V.I. Lenin in “What Is To Be Done?” from 1901.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm

Django on January 31, 2011 at 5:30 PM

The Nazis were the conservatives. All the brave allied soldiers and sailors? The resistance fighters? Those folks were all liberals.

Duh.

I mean, Jesus, people. This stuff isn’t that hard. It’s all over the Internet. Why are you so full of hate?

Professor Blather on January 31, 2011 at 4:51 PM

(1.) You do NOT “mean Jesus”;

(2.) You suffer the pains of extremely misguided academic indoctrination such that you’ve been led so far astray about who the National Socialists were; and,

(3.) National Socialism (“the Nazis”) was extreme “Progressive” or Leftwing/Liberalism run amok even moreso; you are highly encouraged to read how that Party, that political movement, began and was begun by whom and what-for (hint, it was the anathema of Conservativism by highly Leftwing pro-union, union-formative Leftwingers).

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Imagine sarc tags. Sheesh.

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Lourdes – He was being sarcastic.

Django on January 31, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Professor Blather on January 31, 2011 at 4:56 PM

You’ve also missed the common-sense correlation between the highly attitudinal Leftwinger and his/her assumption that it’s “the system” (whatever, name the target there) who is “responsible for” their perceived suffering.

This is the environment, socially and economically, that spawned the POLITICAL movement (and the Party itself) called “National Socialism”.

So-called and self-identifying as “theatre crowd” of “artists” in Berlin met often and eventually fomented a “party platform” for their thing called “National Socialism” wherein they — as “artists” — would be guaranteed an income whether they worked or not, for whom or whatever, by “the state” that they’d eventually create. Thus, the birth of the National Socialists “union” system, THE STATE AS SAVIOR, which, of course, needed “a leader” or “fuerher” and thus, the elevation of the young, struggling “artist” with the criminal record having problems making a living, to the head of the Party, complete with his redesign of the nifty uniforms and Wagner theatricals and occult stewardship.

Not at ALL a Conservative environment, not at ALL Conservatives, not at ALL people from the reasonable side of life.

I am one who considers TRADE GROUPS or Trade Unions for specialized-skilled workers to be a good thing for both economy and the skills themselves, not to mention those with those skills (their talents appreciated and should be somewhat protected from degradation by non-skilled persons claiming the skill-sets AND from those interlopers chipping consumers).

HOWEVER, what transpired in Berlin back in the ’30′s was NOT a mere workers or trade union effort and eventual formation. We’ve seen what transpired and what evil was wrought from that LEFTWING EXTREMISM imposing itself on the general society and the nation of Germany.

The National Socialists were Leftwingers in the extreme. Find a Leftwinger, look at the Progressives — how about Progressive, Socialist Nancy Pelosi shoving the “healthcare” mess on the nation whether we wanted it or not, for starters, as proof of the extremism inherent to “Liberalism” today as in the past — for proof of how extreme (“fascist”) Leftwingers range when left to their own devices.

They’re working against humanity. Claiming to be “helping the poor” by making more people poor and rewarding the poor for being poor to begin with is NOT “helping” nor does the Left even accept that actual helping is the point: they want to order it about, dominate it, “rule it” (note Valerie Jarrett’s fondness for “rule” of the U.S. as model of government with Obama)…

I could go on and on but I’ll spare this website further remarks about how it is that NATIONAL SOCIALISTS were LIBERALS/LEFTWINGERS and were NOT “Conservatives.”

Nor was that politic a growth effort by “the right”. It was Leftwing, run into fascism…

And “fascism” is a behavior or functional method of a political movement. IN the case of National Socialists, they were Leftwing fascists. But the operative term is “Leftwing”: government so big that it dominated all, that it became “worshipped” as the “leader” (“fuerher”) was deemed religious leader (to be worshipped, idolized as the epitome of the “good — and only — party” “the one”). Government as provider, savior, to be worshipped, to dominate all. Thus, Leftwing fascism.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Imagine sarc tags. Sheesh.

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Lourdes – He was being sarcastic.

Django on January 31, 2011 at 5:39 PM

I didn’t notice any sarcasm. Sorry to go serious if serious is offensive to you, but the issues ARE serious and I don’t, sincerely I don’t, see much in the issues here that can easily be “joked” about in any cavalier fashion.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:50 PM

In a pre-arranged arrest

So they’re lacking in this regard as well? It is positively pathetic when you have a protest and you have to pre-arrange arrests.

jdkchem on January 31, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Oh please! Serious is not offensive to me. Instead of digging in, why not go back and read the thread, say, “DUH”, and move on.

Anyhoo, this puts the dastardly* Koch brothers in perspective:

According to [Jane Mayer of the New Yorker], the Kochs have spent “more than a hundred million dollars” on “right-wing” foundations since 1980. Let’s be aggressive, and assume arguendo the figure, adjusted for inflation, is four hundred million dollars. That’s a whole $13 million or so a year since 1980. By contrast, the Ford Foundation, one of many well-endowed “mainstream” liberal foundations, spends over $500 million a year, a decent fraction of which goes to left-wing organizations and causes. Any given major American university employs far more liberal academics in the social sciences annually than can possibly be employed on a $13 million budget. Soros’ Open Society Institute annually spends over $150 million to “support individuals and organizations advancing a more open, just, and equal society in the United States.”

*that’s sarcasm

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Oh, please, SARCASM about serious is offensive to me, with particular note of the seriousness of the NAZIs and the Holocaust.

Here most Hebrews yell “anti semitism” when someone does NOT take both seriously.

I didn’t read “sarcasm” or “failed attempt at humor” with the original attempts here up the comments thread. Therefore, no apologies for responding SERIOUSLY about serious issues.

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM

But go ahead, make the issue all about “Lourdes.”

And you wonder why some people don’t take these issues seriously…

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Lourdes on January 31, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Did you read this? Put on your Nancy Drew hat for a moment, because there are big clues there that his comments were sarcastic, i.e., he employed satire. And there was nothing distasteful about that or this unless you’re so high up on a high horse you can’t see the terra firma. Clearly, he was noting the tendency of the Left to call Nazis “conservatives” and thus link all conservatives with Nazis (sorry to have to state the obvious, but…). It is beyond my abilities to understand how you find that offensive.

Buy Danish on January 31, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Note to self: put more Nazi analogies in my comments.

CO2 Producer on January 31, 2011 at 7:36 PM

The Billionaires’ Caucus…

Michael Vachon, a George Soros representative, Peter Lewis, CEO of Progressive Insurance; and Fred Baron, the former president of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America also attended.

Hypocrisy is never too far from anything the left does.

rokemronnie on January 31, 2011 at 9:05 PM