Egypt in flames: Mubarak’s family leaves, army siding with protesters? Update: Restraint urged by … Iran; Update: U.S. response “disappointing,” says ElBaradei; Update: U.S. wants “managed change”

posted at 12:50 pm on January 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

Question mark in the headline because no one’s certain of anything at the moment. The Mubarak family dynasty in Egypt is over before it began so it’s no surprise if they’ve all bugged out, but I can’t find confirmation right now. BBC World tweeted that his sons are in London, then quickly followed up by noting that Egyptian state television denies it. Al Jazeera also reported that the Mubarak boys have skedaddled — and added that his much-hated wife, Suzanne, is now on her way to Britain too. Mubarak named Omar Suleiman, the country’s intelligence chief, as vice president this morning, and Suleiman’s been touted as a possible transitional successor before, so maybe this is a prelude to Hosni himself hopping a plane. If so, he must have declined to give Obama a heads up because State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley is grumbling on Twitter that Mubarak needs to do more than merely “shuffle the deck.”

As the army takes over basic law-and-order functions in Cairo, the state police have reportedly cleared out and dropped back to defend their own home base, the Interior Ministry. The money question, then: Which way is the army leaning? The plural of anecdote is not data, but there sure are a lot of reports on the wires today about Egyptian troops making nice with protesters. The NYT:

Even as pockets of protesters clashed with police, army tanks expected to disperse the crowds in central Cairo and in the northern city of Alexandria instead became rest points and even, on occasion, part of the protests as anti-Mubarak graffiti were scrawled on them without interference from soldiers.

“Leave Hosni, you, your son and your corrupted party!” declared the graffiti on one tank as soldiers invited demonstrators to climb aboard and have their photographs taken with them…

In another central Cairo square on Saturday a soldier in camouflage addressed a crowd through a bullhorn declaring that the army would stand with the people.

“I don’t care what happens,” the soldier said. “You are the ones who are going to make the change.” The crowd responded, “The army and the people will purify the country.”

WaPo:

Asked if they would enforce the curfew, soldiers said they would not.

“We are with the people,” said Ahmed, a 20-year-old conscript.

Soldiers accepted fruit, water and soda handed out by protesters in Tahrir Square and smiled as protesters chanted, “Go, Mubarak, go!” Children were hoisted up on tanks in the middle of the square to have their photos taken with troops as the hulking remains of the National Democratic Party headquarters building, home to Mubarak’s ruling organization, burned in the background.

“These soldiers are Egyptians, too. They are suffering just like we are,” said Khalid Ezz el-Din, a 50-year-old businessman who had come to the square to demand Mubarak step down.

NBC:

One army captain joined the demonstrators, who hoisted him on their shoulders while chanting slogans against Mubarak. The officer ripped a picture of the president.

Al Jazeera:

Al Jazeera’s Ayman Mohyeldin, reporting from Cairo, said that soldiers deployed to central Cairo are not intervening in the protests.

“Some of the soldiers here have said that the only way for peace to come to the streets of Cairo is for Mubarak to step down,” he said.

For background on the army’s relationship with Mubarak, read Michael Wahid Hanna at the Atlantic. If they side with the protesters and Mubarak goes down, they risk losing some of the special privileges he’s granted them to keep them on his side. If they side with Mubarak, then no matter the outcome, they’ll lose the unique esteem they enjoy among the Egyptian public. Fun fact about U.S. aid to Egypt: Of the $1.5 billion we send it every year, the vast majority goes to the military. We have leverage here, in other words, which we could use to nudge the military to drop Mubarak and Suleiman and replace them with a liberal caretaker government that will enact popular reforms before the elections in September. See this post from last night for more on that. On the other hand, both Mubarak and Suleiman are former military men themselves. Would the Egyptian army really depose both, or would Suleiman be kept on as a transitional figurehead?

Lots of updates coming, so please stand by.

Update: How confident is the White House about Mubarak hanging on? Not very:

A senior Obama administration official, meanwhile, said Friday evening that Mubarak’s speech was “hardly conciliatory and highly disappointing, but what did you expect?”

It’s clear, the official said — speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter — that Mubarak believes he can ride this out, “and this time, we’re not so sure that is the right assumption.”

As for the claims coming from Axelrod and other spokesmen that The One has confronted Mubarak about human rights in private, read this debunking from Politico. In particular, they’re trying to spin Obama’s choice of Cairo as the site of his speech to the Muslim world in 2009 as proof that he was aiming his remarks on liberalization at Mubarak. Not so, of course; the speech didn’t mention rights in Egypt specifically and the symbolism of choosing Cairo could well be read as a pat on the back for Mubarak for having kept the peace with Israel and held the Islamists at bay.

Update: If you’re having flashbacks to Baghdad 2003 and wondering how the antiquities at the Egyptian Museum are faring, there’s good news and bad news. The bad:

Looters broke into the Egyptian Museum during anti-government protests late Friday and destroyed two Pharaonic mummies, Egypt’s top archaeologist told state television…

“I felt deeply sorry today when I came this morning to the Egyptian Museum and found that some had tried to raid the museum by force last night,” Zahi Hawass, chairman of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, said Saturday.

The good news: Not only did the army roll up and storm the museum to secure the artifacts (replete with beatings for the looters), Egyptian citizens converged on the building before they got there and formed a “human chain” around it to stop anyone else from breaking in. I wonder Were the looters just moronic kids out to wreck whatever they could wreck, or was this some sort of Islamist gesture against Egypt’s pre-Muslim culture? That sort of thing has, after all, happened before. Bad, bad sign if it’s the latter.

Update: Speaking of Islamists, what’s the Muslim Brotherhood up to today? Why, screaming about injustice and vowing to topple tyrants, of course. Quoth the group’s “spiritual leader”:

“He doesn’t live in our world. He doesn’t feel the anger and hunger of this people,” [Sheikh Yusuf] al- Qaradawi charged. “He’s detached from reality. Mubarak must give up his position and leave Egypt. There is no other solution, except for Mubarak’s departure.”…

Addressing the president directly, al-Qaradawi made his demands clear: “Go away, Mubarak, leave this people alone! Enough, you’ve ruled for 30 years already! Dozens have been killed in one day. You cannot stay, Mubarak!”

“On behalf of hundreds of thousands of religious clerics in Egypt and in the Muslim world I’m calling on you to leave your country,” he said.

If you’re looking for a short yet solid “big think” piece on what the protests mean for regional policy, see this one by Robert Kaplan at Foreign Policy. Short and sweet: He thinks the Brotherhood’s power in Egypt is overstated (and that the public’s focus on its own oppression instead of on Israel is a hopeful development), but if the uprisings spread to places like Jordan and Saudi Arabia, look out. In fact, the Jordanian chapter of the Brotherhood is holding a protest today outside Egypt’s embassy there in hopes of kickstarting a little local revolution of its own. Quote: “Obama must understand that the people have woken up and are ready to unseat the tyrant leaders who remained in power because of U.S. backing.”

As for Kaplan’s claim that the Brotherhood in Egypt isn’t as muscular as everyone thinks, take a long hard look at these public opinion numbers via Michael Totten:

In Egypt, 30 percent like Hizballah (66 percent don’t). 49 percent are favorable toward Hamas (48 percent are negative); and 20 percent smile (72 percent frown) at al-Qaida. Roughly speaking, one-fifth of Egyptians applaud the most extreme Islamist terrorist group, while around one-third back revolutionary Islamists abroad. This doesn’t tell us what proportion of Egyptians want an Islamist government at home, but it is an indicator.

In Egypt, 82 percent want stoning for those who commit adultery; 77 percent would like to see whippings and hands cut off for robbery; and 84 percent favor the death penalty for any Muslim who changes his religion.

Asked if they supported “modernizers” or “Islamists” only 27 percent said modernizers while 59 percent said Islamists

Alternate headline: “So that’s why Obama is sticking by Mubarak!” And if that’s not enough to make you despair, see Caroline Glick’s new op-ed. Apparently Mohamed ElBaradei, the alleged great secularist hope, is quite comfortable with the Brotherhood and its “peaceful” ways.

Famous last words from a protester, as quoted by WaPo: “We need a just government. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Islamic or secular. The issue is justice.”

Update: Here’s a healthy development per Stratfor, via the Corner:

The Egyptian police are no longer patrolling the Rafah border crossing into Gaza. Hamas armed men are entering into Egypt and are closely collaborating with the MB [Muslim Brotherhood]. The MB has fully engaged itself in the demonstrations, and they are unsatisfied with the dismissal of the Cabinet. They are insisting on a new Cabinet that does not include members of the ruling National Democratic Party.

Update: Ladies and gentlemen, your Orwellian moment of the day:

Saying it is closely monitoring developments in Egypt, Iranian officials asked Egypt’s government to exercise restraint while working to solve the crisis.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehman-Parast urged Egyptian officials to ensure the lawful rights of citizens to organize and voice their concerns about the government, Fars News Agency reported.

Try to imagine him stepping on an Iranian protester’s face while he said that. Iran’s “green revolution” leader, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is also watching the protests, but I haven’t heard of any new demonstrations breaking out there in response.

Meanwhile, the Saudi monarchy is reacting just as you’d expect:

Saudi King Abdullah called Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and “was reassured” about the situation in Egypt, the state-run Saudi Press Agency reported.

“During the call, the king said, ‘Egypt is a country of Arabism and Islam. No Arab and Muslim human being can bear that some infiltrators, in the name of freedom of expression, have infiltrated into the brotherly people of Egypt, to destabilize its security and stability and they have been exploited to spew out their hatred in destruction, intimidation, burning, looting and inciting a malicious sedition,’” the news agency said.

Saudi Arabia “strongly condemns” the protest, it said.

Mahmoud Abbas is also lining up with Mubarak, natch, as Hamas lines up with the Muslim Brotherhood. Secularists vs. Islamists, all around the region, and beyond the region it’s autocrats vs. democrats. Which explains why “Egypt” is now a forbidden term on China’s version of Twitter.

Update: Ah, here’s news of an Iranian protest now. And it’s even more Orwellian than the previous update.

Update: With Mubarak teetering and the Muslim Brotherhood licking its chops, how’d you like to be a Coptic Christian in Egypt right now?

“One thing I want to say about all of these young people and all of these university students is what they’re learning in the universities is very similar to what the Muslim Brotherhood preaches,” [John] Bolton said. “So we have to worry about the radicalism among the students is very, very high.”…

The Copts, who constitute between 10 and 20 percent of Egypt’s population and whose church traces its founding back to St. Mark the Evangelist, have been increasingly targeted by Islamic extremists in recent years and have suffered intense persecution.

Copts complain Muslims are able to get away murdering them with impunity much like whites did in the South under Jim Crow, and the government discriminates against them by placing restrictions on the building and repair of churches while not imposing a similar rule on mosques.

Just wondering: If the Islamists take power and the Copts flee, where do they go? Ethiopia?

Update: “If the ’79 agreement goes asunder, everything falls apart. Everything falls apart.”

Update: New video from Al Jazeera of the Egyptian military sympathizing with protesters but pleading with them to clear the streets at night so that the army can go after looters. Looks like it’s working: According to the 9:46 p.m. update at Al Jazeera’s liveblog, Cairo is noticeably less active tonight than last night — apart from “roaming bands of thuggish-looking men.” The Times, in fact, is reporting street battles between looters and neighborhood patrols who are trying to fill the security gap now that the state police have retreated.

If you want to see what the looters managed to do the Egyptian Museum last night, you’ll find distressing photos here.

Update: Here’s Bolton on last night’s Greta. The money line: This is not the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.


Update: Banks, supermarkets, electronics stores, even wealthy homes: No one’s safe from the looters right now, apparently. Mubarak and his security goons may not have abdicated by law, but there appear to have done so in fact.

Update: Here’s a wrinkle from John Tabin that somehow got lost in yesterday’s buzz about the U.S. secretly supporting Egyptian dissidents. Apparently, Obama ended funding for that program:

It didn’t have to be this way.

During the Bush years the US embassy in Cairo maintained a small fund to support groups promoting democratic reforms in Egypt, bypassing the Egyptian government. As I noted back in July, the Obama administration ended support for this fund.

The Daily Telegraph — while failing spectacularly at making this context clear — reports that according to a WikiLeaked cable, one of the activists who has been arrested this week was sent to New York to meet with other pro-democracy activists. You have to read to the bottom of the story to notice that the embassy apprently ended regular contact with this dissident after 2009.

Here’s Tabin’s piece in July noting that funding was cut. It figures that of all the federal programs that need cutting, this is one of the few that caught the White House’s eye.

Update: I don’t care what ElBaradei thinks — as noted on Thursday, his international reputation stems from being a UN-blessed apologist for Iran’s proliferation efforts — but some Egyptians might, so for what it’s worth:

As for the U.S., ElBaradei said the leadership had fallen short of Egyptians’ expectations.

“What is … very disappointing to the Egyptian people is the message coming from the U.S., which is saying that we are going to work with the Egyptian people and with the government,” he said. “Well, you have to make a choice. This is an authoritarian government and on the other hand the people have been deprived of their freedom for 58 years.”

Yeah, I flagged that “government and people” bit of Obama’s speech yesterday as soon as he said. There are giant landmines on both sides of this showdown so he’s going to stand as still as he can by equivocating between them, which amounts to tacitly endorsing Mubarak’s regime for the time being. Total bummer for the Muslim Brotherhood’s would-be secular figurehead.

Update: I’ve been assuming that the U.S. is now committed to easing Mubarak out the door as a way of transitioning to democracy, but after reading this I’m not so sure. When they say “managed change,” do they mean changing Egypt’s form of government or just the identity of the man at the top of the dictatorship?

A senior administration official said the United States is looking for “‘managed change’ – adjustments over a fairly extended period of time that allows you to manage it in a fairly orderly way.”

While the administration is pressing for the opposition groups and civil activists to be given more political influence, “that doesn’t necessarily mean the governing coalition will be swept away, not at all,” the official said…

The senior administration official said Egypt can’t go back to the old way of government.

“Change is coming, in some form,” he said.

I don’t think President-for-life Suleiman is what the protesters have in mind, even if he revokes emergency rule and adopts some reforms.

Update: How high is the death toll, exactly? Maybe a lot higher than you think.

Update: More signs of chaos, some possibly good and some quite bad.

Update: The meaning of “managed change” is coming into focus. According to an expert who spoke to the Times, naming Suleiman VP and de facto successor is a way of keeping the military onboard:

Mr. Suleiman, a former general, is also the establishment’s candidate, not the public’s. His appointment, and his elevation if it is to occur, would represent not the democratic change called for on the street, but most likely a continuation of the kind of military-backed, authoritarian leadership that Mr. Mubarak led for nearly 30 years, experts said.

“I think basically this is a way of paving the way for a military-led regime in a so-called constitutional context,’ said Ragui Assaad, a professor at the University of Minnesota. “It is clearly the result of negotiations with the army.”

Mr. Suleiman’s ascension may incite public anger — crowds have already begun shouting chants against him — but would also be likely to put at ease those who benefited from the status quo, at least in the short term.

Presumably, the feeling in the White House is that they’re happy to carry on indefinitely with Suleiman as a new Mubarak so long as Egyptians are willing to tolerate it. If they push back and the protests persist, then I assume the plan will be to make Suleiman a “caretaker” figure until elections are held in September.


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I just ignored the troll which in general is what’s most effective.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:08 AM

And yes, to both of your astute analyses in this thread. The MB is the only game in town. It will be really great to see the Suez in their hands, and the U.S. beyond broke, impotent and the laughingstock of the Arab world. I can see barack’s toothy, feral grin as he laughs right along with them.

tigerlily on January 30, 2011 at 2:09 AM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:08 AM

Sometimes you have to toss a few crumbs.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:10 AM

…it started to become clearer that Obama apparently wants the Muslim Brotherhood to ascend in Egypt but couldn’t say so outright.

Cindy Cooper on January 29, 2011 at 11:28 PM

You’re right. He can’t say it outright but his buddies, Ayers, his wife Dohrn and the Code Pink radicals are helping Hamas over the Rafah crossing to lend armed Hamas thugs to support the MB. El Baradei is also another MB guy.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:11 AM

How many Muslim Brotherhood cabals are there in Michigan?

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:17 AM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:08 AM

Generally, I would agree. In all my years (plenty) I’ve never engaged a troll (well, except back in the day on the earliest of blogs, where I took on jihadis and received death threats). However, in these times we need to Alinskyite the trolls right back at ‘em. Their “little pink feet, on the whirring wheel” (thank you, tigerlilly) need to be exposed and ridiculed for what they are. Which is to say, our enemy.

It is to laugh, no? And G-d knows we need to laugh once in a while.

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Right. Just be sure you are feeding them troll-feed.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:25 AM

Right. Just be sure you are feeding them troll-feed.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:25 AM

Hmmm. And I am currently a caterer (!) (with a 30 year background in law). What shall I dish out?

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Their “little pink feet, on the whirring wheel” (thank you, tigerlilly) need to be exposed and ridiculed for what they are. Which is to say, our enemy.

It is to laugh, no? And G-d knows we need to laugh once in a while.

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Very good. I agree. I didn’t get the reference earlier when tigerlily wrote it. Kudos to her too.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:31 AM

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Limited doses of what you are using.
Good on you.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:31 AM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:31 AM

KeyWest coined the monicker.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:33 AM

How many Muslim Brotherhood cabals are there in Michigan?

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:17 AM

Don’t know but I bet there are some. But since more is always better the 0 removed the ban on two of the important MB boys so they can now come into the country. I guess so they could raise funds and do some recruiting. Anything our fearless community organizer can do to help the MB.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:37 AM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:37 AM

Scary. Glad I don’t live in Dearbornistan.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:39 AM

Limited doses of what you are using.
Good on you.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:31 AM

Limited doses of what, truth?

Thanks?

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:46 AM

Hmmm. And I am currently a caterer (!) (with a 30 year background in law). What shall I dish out?

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:29 AM

Once upon a time I became the first forensic psychologist in MA. Much later I had retired from that and had begun to take up my singing career. Like many, I started out working as a waiter at a large restaurant. One day for lunch a large group of suits showed up waiting to be seated. As I got them to a table and started pouring their water I asked them what sort of group they were part of. They told me they were attending a forensic psychologists convention. I told them, “That’s cool. I was the first forensic psychologist in this state!” Their startled looks were priceless. In effect I had told them this is what they could look forward to: being a lowly waiter pouring water for people. Life is full of ironies.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:48 AM

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:46 AM

Yep. Truth is always good.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 2:48 AM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:48 AM

Life is full of lovely choices/ironies. I’ve pursued a few passions – over 40 years of work life…as you did, too.

Kudos to you!

I don’t think I’m finished yet :).

Jihadis? You’re still in my crosshairs.

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 2:55 AM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 2:48 AM

And shmendrick? Did they thank you for your fine service?

I worked as a court appointed criminal defense investigator on capital offenses (murders, etc.) for many years. I worked with experts such as you.

Kudos, again.

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 3:05 AM

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 3:05 AM

Thanks. It was a delicious moment. I’ll bet we could swap some good stories. At first the forensic stuff was fun as I got to work with really good attorneys but then as others began to make use of me I got involved with some real losers and after a few narrow escapes I decided to call it quits. Now-a-days it seems things are a lot different and much more cut and dried and pc. I’m actually about to start working on getting my general license back but I doubt I’ll go back to forensic work. But it was fun while it lasted. Sounds like you must have had some interesting cases.

I’m going to sign off now as the pillow is calling. Take care and pray for Egypt and us.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 3:24 AM

I’m going to sign off now as the pillow is calling. Take care and pray for Egypt and us.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 3:24 AM

Yes, we could talk…..

G’night. My prayers for AllOfUs.

Sleep tight.

Opinionator on January 30, 2011 at 3:29 AM

Apologies if this has been brought up, but since my husband and I are in the shipping biz, it is important to also talk about the Suez Canal. If that gets lost to islamist control, there will be big problems. The canal is vital for global trade and our military presence in Iraq/Afghanistan—although we’re here in Europe for his working with NATO on an alternative gateway already to avoid Pakistan as much as possible. We work with the Russians on that—yes, the Russians. I personally have shipped hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of HOT DOG ROLLERS to Egypt via USAID (aka tax payer expense) so I’m the first to say buh-bye to foreign aid there. Whatever happens, it is important for us to pay attention.

Renwaa on January 30, 2011 at 3:54 AM

According to the WSJ, all looks okay for now on the canal:

http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2011/01/30/business-as-normal-on-egypts-suez-canal/

Renwaa on January 30, 2011 at 4:00 AM

tigerlily on January 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Heh, what we disagree on is about like picking pepper out of fly siht :-) I wish you could join me for my monthly coffee get together with a bunch of old retired friends. I have one in particular that I’ve been disagreeing with since before The Won was elected. He sort of agrees with me that someone else is pulling his strings but has fairly consistently disagreed with me about his intelligence. He maintains that he is actually very smart. Lately he’s been shifting, ever so slightly, to my position that he’s dumb as a post. To put this in perspective the guy retired as a senior VP of a large energy company. He’s not an ivory tower type either.

Oldnuke on January 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM

I’m thinking most people here at this hour are now gone from this post and asleep. But, anyway, I’m reading the older comments and wanted to make a comment, so here:

“President WTF” has likely been TOLD his entire lifetime that he’s some super-dooper-doo-dah, the “Frank Davis” egomaniacal urging on, that he “can do anything he wants to” because he’s grandbigspecialsuperdooper.

There’s a point where intellect consumes character and if character isn’t first established and based on very strong, good principles and experiences that support those principles (“President WTF” lacks those, his troubled youth troubled for these reasons), then the intellect is moreorless “phony” — certainly vulnerable, impulsive, changeable based upon ego-needs and ego-disruptions.

Intellect becomes debatable in persons such as that. Their “feelings” dictate much of what they learn because they refuse to learn important lessons (they’re “above all that,” and “too special to fail” and such or worse, they’re socially prominent).

Their social environment continues to pump-up the vanity, in other words. They’re TOLD they’re superduperbig so they relax in their specialness, assuming their ideas, decisions, everything, are specialsuperdupergenius.

I think this is where “President WTF” fits in. He lives in a false environment, intellectually, spiritually (of that I am sure) and socially: celebrity-intensive environment, not challenged, what some of us would call “spoiled.”

His stories of deprivation as a child are falsehoods. But he NEEDS to feel that specialness about his past, that he was “deprived” and somehow smarter than everyone else who didn’t do for him what he wanted them to do (but he was cared for, well educated, paid for, ushered all over the globe, etc., and that was still “deprivation” to him given how “special” he views himself).

It’s egomania, some sort of spoilage of a person’s ego. It’s not “being smart,” it’s being warped.

Lourdes on January 30, 2011 at 4:31 AM

Lourdes on January 30, 2011 at 4:31 AM

I think you have pretty well defined The Won here. He’s lived most of his life in an environment where he was never challenged. He’s come to accept that he was ‘special‘ without ever actually defining from what source it was derived. I think he’s come to believe that anything he says or does is absolutely correct just because it originates from him. Warped and spoiled are good terms to describe him.

Oldnuke on January 30, 2011 at 6:17 AM

So the idiot in chief is not only working hard to destroy this country but to undermine friendly regimes around the world. Such evil has not previously been released on the us and the world.

shmendrick on January 29, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I really hate to say this, but your comment sticks to the core of my fear. I fear we are just now seeing the big plan kick into a new phase. I fear the idiot in chief is a key player in something truly evil the likes of which we have not seen since Hitler. This man is Commander over the worlds deadliest force. At this point, after seeing what we have seen, apologizing for America around the world, the Cairo speech, and so much more… Rev Wright for 20 years, Ayers and so many other complete nutters with violent tendencies, protecting the black panthers knowing we all saw the videos. Could it be that all the pieces were in place and all they needed was for this man (the one) to become the Commander in Chief.

My fear is simply that the recovery is not coming, but the worst of these times are.

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 7:52 AM

flpatriot RT @sultanalqassemi: ANOTHER EXCLUSIVE: Very reliable source from Egypt: Habib Al Adly authorized snipers yesterday to shoot at protesters. (NOT in the news yet) 31 seconds ago · reply

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz1CWVjb2cY

ted c on January 30, 2011 at 8:04 AM

During the Bush years the US embassy in Cairo maintained a small fund to support groups promoting democratic reforms in Egypt, bypassing the Egyptian government. As I noted back in July, the Obama administration ended support for this fund.

talking outta both sides of his mouth once again…

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 8:31 AM

ted c on January 30, 2011 at 8:04 AM

WOW! Gettin’ uglier.
Best get the women and kids off the streets.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 8:32 AM

OT: Our dang bishop is doing the sermon and Bible Study this morning. I hate that, I much prefer a Lutheran sermon with a good mix of law & gospel and some baptismal regeneration thrown in.
Wish these synodocrats would stick to pencil-pushing.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM

Hang in there and just praise God! We are working our way through John

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 8:40 AM

We did that last year, along with his epistles and Revelation. Loved it.

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 8:41 AM

again I keep hearing regime but never heard it before for this gov’t….am I wrong?

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 8:42 AM

OmahaConservative on January 30, 2011 at 8:41 AM

excellent

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 8:43 AM

For the liberals who read here, I’m sorry but this administration is inept. I sit here and write this as honest critique and not just sniping. They have not handled a single foreign event, normal or crisis, as if there was a single clue between them. That the media portrays the Bush years as a period that we have to repair overseas is a laugh. We will be contending with the damage done by their actions and inactions for decades to come.

hawkdriver on January 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM

According to Foxnews, “Something big” is happening soon.

Oh, and the MB is officially backing ElBaradei.

And there’s now food and gas shortages in Cairo and else where.

BallisticBob on January 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM

This should make you all feel better: ///

Last month [January 2010], U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and her senior staff privately met in Washington, D.C., with a select group of Muslim, Arab, and Sikh organizations. Among the mix were three organizations directly associated with an outlawed terrorist entity — the Muslim Brotherhood.

Secretary Napolitano spent an hour and a half briefing them on Department of Homeland Security (DHS) counter-radicalization and anti-terrorist programs. The intensive briefings spanned two days (January 27 and 28) and were called by the DHS.

kingsjester on January 30, 2011 at 9:16 AM

kingsjester on January 30, 2011 at 9:16 AM

wonderful….

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 9:30 AM

KJ,

We need to find out more about that meeting in DC that included elements of the brotherhood. The trail leads back to the White House; this is huge…

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 9:32 AM

The Boss Emeritus and Pajamas Media both reported on it back in February.

kingsjester on January 30, 2011 at 9:35 AM

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=147021

The Manchurian President

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 9:37 AM

yowser

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Sly Stallone referred to “our Manchurian President” in a tweet urging everyone to get out and vote on November 2nd.

kingsjester on January 30, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Ouch…

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 9:57 AM

indeed…
dear leader heading out for tee time in 5…4…3..

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 10:01 AM

dear leader heading out for tee time in 5…4…3..

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 10:01 AM

I’m not sure dear leader can even get air force one off the ground there is so much global warming hitting the east coast right now. If he could, he’d likely jump on board and head over to Hawaii for a quick eighteen.

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 10:16 AM

I am (not quite) stunned that this is Iran Part Deux. Watching CNN and anti-American sentiment getting stronger, us doing nothing.

ProudPalinFan on January 30, 2011 at 10:24 AM

The famous SAQQARA area is being LOOTED.

Mutnodjmet on January 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM

We can only hope that “managed change” is a better policy than the administration’s policy of “managed decline”.

Buy Danish on January 30, 2011 at 11:14 AM

My suspicion is that “managed change” has been in the works for quite a while and all is going according to plan.
The American people should be outraged.

ORconservative on January 30, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Managed change personified?

Buy Danish on January 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM

During the Bush years the US embassy in Cairo maintained a small fund to support groups promoting democratic reforms in Egypt, bypassing the Egyptian government. As I noted back in July, the Obama administration ended support for this fund.

Bush was working behind the scenes to help develop democratic groups to be prepared for the day when Mubarak would be replaced. The 0 stopped this immediately. Why? Because he didn’t want Mubarak to be replaced by democratic elements, he wanted him to be replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood, ie Al Queda’s parent organization.

When 0′s people say he has been working behind the scenes with the opposition for some time they mean he has been working with the MB for some time. He’s carrying out the Soros plan and so far nothing and no one has been able to stop him. Only Beck has been revealing what’s going on and only Sarah has been voicing political opposition which is why they demonize her so.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 12:32 PM

For its part, the Obama administration — which has made outreach to the Muslim Brotherhood and its American affiliates a policy priority — reciprocates ElBaradei’s admiration. Robert Gibbs said Friday that the president knows ElBaradei well and has worked closely with him.

By the way, ElBaradei also says “Israel is the number one threat to the Middle East,” and has expressed strong support for the Palestinian “resistance,” particularly in Hamas-controlled Gaza (which he calls “the world’s largest prison”), because, in his opinion, “the Israeli occupation only understands the language of violence.”

h/t to Buy Danish on January 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM

So there it is folks. More proof of the collusion between the 0 and the MB. Most likely El Baradei will be the new head of Egypt and this will be his POV. Great, huh? Thanks 0.

It’s easy to put his (the 0′s) actions down to incompetance because that is also true, but that doesn’t explain enough. One has to realize that he is basically a puppet whose job it is to lie to the country about his real intentions while carrying out his puppet master’s plan (Soros) to destroy capitalism and democracy in the world and especially the usa. This explains everything he does.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 12:44 PM

I wish the Sulieman compromise would become reality. He is an improvement on Mubarak, the middle way, and a far better cooperative option for us (and Israel, whom Obama will abandon in a heartbeat).

ElBaradei is a slimy skunk and will simply empower the MB and help usher in a ME progression towards a long longed for worldwide caliphate.

The only way to slow this “high speed’ train down is to push, pray, for Sulieman … who isn’t bought and paid for by Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

If modern Egyptians opt for ElBaradei and the Muslim Brotherhood, they may rue the day they leapt from a 21st century frying pan back to a 7th century, even hotter, frying pan.

marybel on January 30, 2011 at 1:30 PM

If he could, he’d likely jump on board and head over to Hawaii for a quick eighteen.

Keemo on January 30, 2011 at 10:16 AM

heh

cmsinaz on January 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Robert Gibbs said Friday that the president knows ElBaradei well and has worked closely with him. By the way, ElBaradei also says “Israel is the number one threat to the Middle East,” and has expressed strong support for the Palestinian “resistance,” particularly in Hamas-controlled Gaza (which he calls “the world’s largest prison”), because, in his opinion, “the Israeli occupation only understands the language of violence.”

Gibbs spills this information and of course no one blinks in the msm, but WTF?? Worked with him closely? When, where, why, for how long, on what? Why has no one heard about this until now?

Add to that a secret MB meeting with obama in 2009 and a two day MB meeting with Homeland Security/Nappy in 2010.

Isn’t the MB on our list of terrorists? Was it removed?
When? By whom?

Now an MB operative, El Baraidai, suddenly ascends to take over control of Egypt and the Canal? This entire “uprising” has the MB, along with aid and assistance from obama, all over it. Treason stalks this land.

I know, let’s wait to for our own U.S. elections, by gum, we’ll try to get an opposing message out vs the media blitzkrieg that’ll make the Tuscon fiasco look like a picnic and to add some punch, they’ll be able to combine that with President WTF, an incumbent, mobilizing every illegal government dollar and minute of time so he can to campaign from the comfort of AF1. Let’s not forget all of Secrataries of State that soros has installed, they’ll be helpful along with the aid of massive voter fraud, well entrenched and hugely grown since 2008.

Let’s roll the dice against those odds, and let’s throw one more variable into the equation. First, we know that everything that we have witnessed happen to this nation in the past two years has been planned for years by a cabal of very intelligent, America hating, power lusting, evil minds.

To finally put their operation into high gear, they needed to control the Presidency of the United States. Enter barry soetoro/steve dunham/barack obama.

The Plan does NOT call for obama to leave office until the cabal is finished with him. If he were to leave before they were finished with him, who would carry out and enforce the destruction, in perpetuity, or at least until another uuseful idiot could be installed when the cabal thought the time was right for their purposes?

Something as mundane and provincial as a (shudder) defeat by the American voter at the polls will not be allowed.
This would end the plan and jeopardize their goal of complete domination of the earth’s population and economy. Therefore, certain accomodations will be made if it remotely appears that obama could lose in 2012. Things like riots, polling places accross the nation mysteriously receiving threats or actual serious incidents occuring, springing up like mushrooms accross the nation shortly before elections, necessitating a “postponement” as per Homeland Security orders. What can obama do if Nappy declares this necessary for the safety of the citizenry?

One last point however. If a gop establishment candidate runs, against the above forces allayed against him, he will fold faster than did John McCain, whether through cowardice, payoff or both. Sarah Palin would run like a champion, but what can she do if Nappy calls November 6 off?

ObaSoros has just overturned Egypts government and is going to hand the people of that country over the MB on a platter.

There are hundreds of grounds with which to impeach him. Let’s start with the fraud of his holding office without being a Natural Born Citizen and go on to the criminal GM takeover, the stolen trillion stimulus monies, the 20 Billion British Petroleum slush fund, the release of all our top secret terror interrogation techniques on the internet (!) and on and on. There is so much we can’t remember or keep up under the barrage!

The political will and cowardice to actually do such a thing is completely absent in the political establishment. Therefore, millions of American citizens should rise, calling for impeachment from every quarter, every day, more loudly by the day, pooling our resources to itemize counts against him and detailing them throughout the sphere, until this destroyer is removed from office.

The outcome of 2012 was long ago planned once barry was installed. He doesn’t plan on leaving. When are we going to realize that?

tigerlily on January 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Today Egypt Tomorrow England

Nearly Nobody on January 30, 2011 at 3:21 PM

This:

ZAKARIA: One of the visions that haunts Americans is of the Iranian Revolution where a dictator was replaced by an even worse regime that was more anti-American and more threatening to the region. People worry about the Muslim Brotherhood. Are you confident that a post-Mubarak Egypt will not give rise to some kind of Islamic fundamentalist force that will undermine the democracy of Egypt?

ELBARADEI: I’m quite confident of that, Fareed. This is a myth that was sold by the Mabarak regime, that it’s either us — the ruthless dictators — or a Muslim al-Qaeda type. The Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with the Iranian movement, has nothing to do with extremism as we have seen it in Afghanistan and other places. The Muslim Brotherhood is a religiously conservative group. They are a minority in Egypt. They are not a majority of the Egyptian people, but they have a lot of credibility because of liberal parties have been a struggle for thirty years. They are in favor of a secular state. they are of –they are in favor of an institution that have bread lines, they are in favor that every Egyptian have the same rights, that the state is in no way a state based on religion. And I have been reaching out to them. We need to include them. They are as much a part of society as the markets that started here. I think this is a myth that has been perpetuated and sold by the regime and has no iota of reality. You know Fareed, I worked with Iranians, I’ve worked here. It’s 100 percent difference between the two societies.

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

tigerlily on January 30, 2011 at 2:31 PM

+1000 Right as usual. Kudos.

Only thing I can add is that they may already be starting their chaos operation here on the backs of their overthrow of Egypt.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

El Baradei is such a liar. Reminds me of our own fearless leader.

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Nope, this:

In May 1991 the Muslim Brotherhood issued to its ideological allies an explanatory memorandum on “the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” Explaining that the Brotherhood’s mission was to establish “an effective and … stable Islamic Movement” on the continent, this document outlined a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” for achieving that objective. It stated that Muslims “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands … so that … God’s religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions.”

Thanks for playing.

kingsjester on January 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM

This
Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Lying Muslims lie Fins.

I’m waiting for your apology on the “Islamic violence is a germ that is carried down the generations even if it skips a generation” argument sometime back.

I offer the Christmas Tree bomber as proof. Born here but still wishes to please Allah with the dead bodies of unbelievers. His Mom was shocked.

Are you an honorable person? Will you admit your error?

BL@KBIRD on January 30, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Gullible much?

Buy Danish on January 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Buy Danish

Prejudiced much? Oh, and Bl@ckbird? I don’t talk to racists, so STFU.

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Lying Muslims lie Fins.

BL@KBIRD on January 30, 2011 at 4:32 PM

There is even a word for it, taquiyya.

Fallon on January 30, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Read this then get back to me. Thanks in advance!

Buy Danish on January 30, 2011 at 5:58 PM

shmendrick on January 30, 2011 at 3:46 PM

I agree, shmendrick. Tuscon and Egypt are both dry runs for what may happen here prior to 2012.

Millions of conservatives and TPers should rise up and form a well organized strategy to call for obama’s impeachment on several well explained and documented grounds.

The drumbeat for his impeachment and the constant repetition of this “president’s” high crimes and misdemeanors should be shouted from the rooftops daily. His criminal adminstration should not be able, as has been the case, to violate the constitution and laws with impunity, in such number and frequency as to leave the populace who find out about these things, despite the msm coverups, spinning and numb.

We may or may not get him removed. However, at the very least, we will have softened the ground considerably for Sarah Palin, by having millions rise up with one voice and call for impeachment, removal and refuse to discuss aught else but this man’s crimes against the People and the Constitution. We must be Sarah Palin’s shock troops and we can help her immensely in this way, imho.

Here’s a small example: when Brett Bair appears to give his serious and solmen news about what “the President” is saying or doing, it would be great to shut down the Fox switchboard and deluge the email with demands that the farce of giving obama such a platform, as if he is an honorable president and not a marxist destroyer, be discontinued.

We should demand that his crimes be uncovered and discussed, and these crimes should be itemized to Fox to let them know we’re serious. CK, O’Reilly, Shep and Geraldo should lose their jobs. They are making big money playing along with the farce, and when the hammer comes down, they’ll all be on their private jets to their estates in Costa Rica while American cities burn and obama intalls martial law.

If we start the demand for impeachment/removal and make Fox the target for covering it, and boycott Fox and advertisers (Glenn Beck can still tell us what we need to know via his radio show), it will none too soon. Does Fox know or respect who keeps them on the air? We are Tea Party hear us roar. First the mid-terms, now we will stop the media coverup for President WTF and be the tip of the spear for SP. Yes we can.

tigerlily on January 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Prejudiced much? Oh, and Bl@ckbird? I don’t talk to racists, so STFU.

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I must have missed something. Which race is he…errr…racist about?

Oldnuke on January 30, 2011 at 7:03 PM

I agree, shmendrick. Tuscon and Egypt are both dry runs for what may happen here prior to 2012.
Millions of conservatives and TPers should rise up and form a well organized strategy to call for obama’s impeachment on several well explained and documented grounds.
tigerlily on January 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Oh please! This is not helpful. What the hell does Tuscon have to do with Egypt?

Buy Danish on January 30, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Oh, and Bl@ckbird? I don’t talk to racists, so STFU.

Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Heh! You mean you fear to talk to me lest I undo your buttons with a rapiers tip?

BL@KBIRD on January 30, 2011 at 11:25 PM

Found some of that Egyptian aid money.

BL@KBIRD on January 31, 2011 at 12:03 AM

“managed change” Credit where due, this bizarre tyrannical US administration does have the knack for coining empty phraseology.

curved space on January 31, 2011 at 6:40 AM

I would like to elbaradeis hair parted with a 308

that effer needed killing yesterday

Oh, and Bl@ckbird? I don’t talk to racists, so STFU.
Grow Fins on January 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

You have sex with your dad with that mouth?

Sonosam on January 31, 2011 at 8:20 AM

You have sex with your dad with that mouth?

Sonosam

if it’s good enough for you, why not?

audiculous on January 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM

I am confident the Saudi royal family already has plans in place to pay off the Muslim Brotherhood once it takes over in Egypt and I believe it is also quite likely that they are already paying them off to leave them alone. However I also believe the MB is planning on taking Saudi Arabia sometime down the road after they take over neighboring countries.

I am also confident and pessimistic at the same time regarding the situation in the mid-east. Specifically I am confident it’s going to get much, much worse.

Radical Islam already believes without a doubt that the United States under the Obama regime is weak.

Carl on January 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM

if it’s good enough for you, why not?
audiculous on January 31, 2011 at 9:33 AM

just left your moms

don’t forget the scotch, she drank it all

Sonosam on January 31, 2011 at 9:41 AM

don’t forget the scotch, she drank it all

Sonosam

you can’t do better than steal 30 year old jokes?

I heard that one on a tape of a roast for Don Rickles.

audiculous on January 31, 2011 at 9:47 AM

It’s not a joke

Sonosam on January 31, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Managed change? Is that anything like managed (medical) care? Mubarak has been berry berry good to us. Maybe its best to just stand on the sidelines and see what the 12th century throwbacks end up with. No matter what it is, it isn’t going to be managed.

kens on February 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM

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