Video: Gibbs tries hard to say nothing meaningful whatsoever about Egypt; Update: U.S. secretly backed opposition; Update: Mubarak addresses nation, announces formation of new government; Update: Mubarak video added

posted at 4:45 pm on January 28, 2011 by Allahpundit

He did a darned good job of it too. He spoke for upwards of an hour, and the only useful piece of information to come out of the presser was that he wasn’t sure if The One has personally spoken to any world leaders about Egypt — including Mubarak, the strongest sign yet that the regime’s in very, very deep trouble. Before you go beating up on Gibbsy, though, let me call to the stand a witness for the defense. Over to you, John Bolton:

“In terms of how the administration has handled it, I think the reaction has been confused,” Bolton said. “Although in fairness, I will say nobody saw this coming. So I think that it may not be entirely justifiable, but it’s understandable that the initial reaction would be confused.”

Responding to a question after a speech at the 2011 Congressional Defense & Foreign Policy Forum on Friday, Bolton said a more active response from the administration on Egypt might have done more harm than good.

“I think there’s too much risk of mushy statements that just make things worse,” Bolton said.

So confounded is the administration by all this that you’ve got some Democratic foreign policy specialists saying Mubarak shouldn’t go while other Democratic foreign policy experts are calling for democratic presidential elections. Look at it from Obama’s perspective: If he sides with Mubarak and the regime falls, the anti-American backlash will be vicious. If he sides with the protesters and the regime falls, he’ll be blamed for having helped bring the Muslim Brotherhood to power. Better to stick to neutral, well-meaning pap about “restraint” and hope for the best, no? Which of course also explains why U.S. foreign policy towards Egypt has remained basically constant for 30 years through administrations as different as Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Given the country’s Islamist grassroots, what was the alternative? Any president who came out whole-hog for democracy would have risked destabilizing the regime and empowering fundamentalists, which would in turn have encouraged fanatics across the region and potentially reoriented Sunni governments away from the Iranian threat and back towards Israel. As I recall, that was a chief “realist” criticism of Bush’s vision for the Middle East, later illustrated by Hamas’s victory in Gaza — that a democratic process doesn’t necessarily lead to a more liberal outcome. After 9/11 and the Iranian revolution in ’79, how could any American president gamble on backing reforms that might produce a net outcome that’s more Islamist? It’s political suicide.

Supporting Iran’s uprising two years ago was a missed opportunity for Obama because that net outcome realistically could have gone only one way. Iran has already been through the two standard models of Middle Eastern governance — pro-western secular fascism under the Shah and anti-western Islamic fundamentalism under the mullahs — so the likely outcome when the current regime falls is something new and democratic along the lines of what Iraq’s struggling to maintain. Egypt’s been stuck on the first model for ages, though. Any wonder that we’re worried about them moving straight to the second? Click the image to watch.

Update: Just as I hit publish, big news is breaking. Oh boy.

3 private jets leave Cairo airport under heavy security; #Egypt parliament speaker to make major announcement – NBC

Update: A conveniently timed Wikileaks release. So conveniently timed, in fact, that I wonder how the feds helped push this out as a way of doing a little belated P.R. among Egyptians.

In a secret diplomatic dispatch, sent on December 30 2008, Margaret Scobey, the US Ambassador to Cairo, recorded that opposition groups had allegedly drawn up secret plans for “regime change” to take place before elections, scheduled for September this year…

It said the activist claimed “several opposition forces” had “agreed to support an unwritten plan for a transition to a parliamentary democracy, involving a weakened presidency and an empowered prime minister and parliament, before the scheduled 2011 presidential elections”. The embassy’s source said the plan was “so sensitive it cannot be written down”.

Ambassador Scobey questioned whether such an “unrealistic” plot could work, or ever even existed. However, the documents showed that the activist had been approached by US diplomats and received extensive support for his pro-democracy campaign from officials in Washington.

Update: Mubarak’s speaking on Egyptian television now. Location and whether it’s live or recorded is anyone’s guess. Here’s a screencap. Stand by for vid later.

Update: So that explains the report of a “transitional government” earlier: Mubarak ended his speech by saying that he’s asked the government to resign and that a new one will be formed tomorrow — with him in charge, natch. I’m not sure what a cosmetic concession like that is supposed to achieve. Presumably he’ll ask Egyptian liberals and Islamists to join it to appease the protesters, but why would they accept and give him political cover? Better to keep up the heat and push him out.

Actually, maybe liberals will consider this an opportunity. If, as many assume, they’re weak vis-a-vis the Muslim Brotherhood, then pushing Mubarak out will only seal their own fate when the MB takes over. Maybe they’ll decide that joining the government and pushing liberal reforms from within is their best way to build a broad popular constituency.

Update: Tom Joscelyn has an essential piece on the Muslim Brotherhood in response to the whitewash from Bruce Riedel that I linked in the other thread. If the MB takes power and we’re forced to deal with them, you’ll hear loads of spin of the Riedel variety about how they’re really not all that bad when compared to, say, Al Qaeda. That’s true only insofar as the MB is a bit more bottom-line about its goals than AQ is. If pretending to be “pro-democracy” helps advance their agenda more than blowing up buildings does, then pro-democracy it is:

First, we must understand that the Brotherhood is not confined to Egypt, but actually operates around the globe, with full-fledged branches throughout the Middle East and influence organizations in the West. Everywhere the Brotherhood has implanted its radical Islamist seed the organization has adapted to its environment. So, for example, in Egypt, where the Brotherhood was ruthlessly oppressed by Mubarak’s regime, it began to advocate open participation in Egypt’s elections. This was a necessity, as violent attempts to overthrow Mubarak were systematically crushed. Even so, we cannot pretend, as Riedel does, that the Brotherhood has completely eschewed violence…

The Muslim Brotherhood’s most influential theologian, Sheikh Yousef al Qaradawi, has repeatedly justified suicide bombings, called on Muslims to support the insurgency against American forces in Iraq, and justified the killing of civilians. “The martyrdom operations carried out by the Palestinian factions to resist the Zionist occupation are not in any way included in the framework of prohibited terrorism, even if the victims include some civilians,” Qaradawi said in 2003, according to MEMRI. “Those who oppose martyrdom operations and claim that they are suicide are making a great mistake,” Qaradawi added…

Riedel is correct in saying that the Muslim Brotherhood has drawn the ire of al Qaeda’s leaders for being “too soft.” But this glosses over the many ideological similarities between the two organizations. They both want to conquer lands in the name of Islam and establish Sharia law everywhere they can. They simply disagree about how to best accomplish that goal. Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, who were recruited by the Brotherhood as young men, did not leave the organization because they disagreed with its long-term goals. They were simply unwilling to compromise at a tactical level.

Much more at the link above.

Update: A vivid reminder from ABC about why it’s futile for the White House to try to line up on the protesters’ side now: The tear gas cans being used by Egyptian police are actually stamped … “Made in U.S.A.”

Update: An expert from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy tells the Daily Caller that the Egyptian military won’t let the Muslim Brotherhood come to power. I hope that’s true; if it is, then Egypt might operate the way Turkey used to, with a secular military providing a tacit check on Islamist political influence. (Not so true anymore under Erdogan, is it?) Everything depends on how Islamist the Egyptian military itself is. How lucky do you feel?

Update: Here’s the clip of Mubarak giving viewers the full Orwell, pronouncing himself a lover of democracy, etc.


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Of course that would be bad. -_-
I guess I’m just hoping for a miracle and they can find someone kind of secular to step in…

Emily M. on January 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM

That would definitely be a miracle Emily M. Just keep praying….I think they should put Dr. Zahi Hawas (sp?) in as pres. At least he has some brains!!!! Jus sayin….

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:04 PM

What would Putin do?

SlaveDog on January 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 5:30 PM

No, no, no. You only attribute good things to God. All of the atrocities that happen always happen when he happens to not be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

thphilli on January 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM

The tear gas cans being used by Egyptian police are actually stamped … “Made in U.S.A.”

Dang! Why can’t they say “made in China” like everything else we use?

Weight of Glory on January 28, 2011 at 6:07 PM

What would Putin do?

SlaveDog on January 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Why, prepare a medium range missle package to present to the new government.

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:08 PM

The New York Times reports:

President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt appeared on television late Friday night and ordered his government to resign, but backed his security forces’ attempts to contain the surging unrest around the country that has shaken his 28-year authoritarian rule.

He did not offer to step down himself and spent much of the short speech explaining the need for stability, saying that while he was “on the side of freedom,” his job was to protect the nation from chaos.

Several hours earlier, he had ordered the military into the streets to reinforce police struggling to contain riots by tens of thousands of Egyptians.

The president also imposed an overnight curfew nationwide, but demonstrators defied the order, remaining in the streets of the capital, setting fire to police cars and burning the ruling party headquarters to the ground. As smoke from the fires blanketed one of the city’s main streets along the Nile, crowds rushed the Interior Ministry and state television headquarters, but the military moved into the buildings to establish control. Protesters also tried to attack the American Embassy.


by JOHN MCCORMACK

More proof this is not about setting up a democratic republic?

Pattosensei on January 28, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Gibbs tries hard to say nothing meaningful whatsoever about Egypt

From what I’ve seen of Gibbs, “saying nothing meaningful” comes naturally to him….

landlines on January 28, 2011 at 6:10 PM

An expert from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy tells the Daily Caller that the Egyptian military won’t let the Muslim Brotherhood come to power.

WTF!!!! What are they going to do to prevent it????? This is why they are rioting….THEY.WANT.THE.MUSLIM.BROTHERHOOD.IN.CHARGE!

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM

A vivid reminder from ABC about why it’s futile for the White House to try to line up on the protesters’ side now: The tear gas cans being used by Egyptian police are actually stamped

OMG…not the tear gas!! How awfu……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Obama is a scum.

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Hey! Let’s be civil.

You’re giving scum a bad name.

davidk on January 28, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Axelrod: President Obama Has “On Several Occasions Directly Confronted” Mubarak on Human Rights for the Past 2 Years “To Get Ahead of This”

Trying their damnedest to not let a good crisis go to waste…

Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Yes but the internet that the protesters communicate on is an American invention, ditto the social websites.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2011 at 6:13 PM

OMG…not the tear gas!! How awfu……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Thanks Bishop….I needed a goooooooooood guffaw!

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:14 PM

OMG…not the tear gas!! How awfu……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Not sure I care what happens to the MB supporters

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM

U.S. secretly backed opposition

100% BS!!! This is a transparent attempt by “The Buffoon” (as he is known by the International community) to make it appear that he actually knows what is happening, and that he is somehow allied with whatever side wins.

landlines on January 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Trying their damnedest to not let a good crisis go to waste…

Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Absolutely His WTF speech didn’t give him a bounce, and his Tuscon two step speech is just a sad memory right now. A guys gotta do something to bring up those numbers!

sandee on January 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM

No, no, no. You only attribute good things to God. All of the atrocities that happen always happen when he happens to not be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

thphilli on January 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM

So you got hurt at some time in your life, and you blame God.

We get it.

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Great job of covering all of this for us Allahpundit.

No one covers “Breaking News” events as well as you do.

Thanks and keep up the great work!!

chief on January 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Now we get the HuffPosers telling us ‘it is the will of the people, Democracy ROCKS!’…….

pass the Pepto-bismol.

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM

U.S. secretly backed opposition

Bad news for bamster if Mubarek really does manage to hold on…heh heh heh

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Update: Here’s the clip of Mubarak giving viewers the full Orwell, pronouncing himself a lover of democracy, etc.

My favorite part was Mubarak declaring the need to solve the nation’s problems through communication after having shutdown all communication networks in all of Egypt.

Weight of Glory on January 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Was Palin campaigning in Egypt using violent rhetoric or something?

jp on January 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM

WTF!!!! What are they going to do to prevent it????? This is why they are rioting….THEY.WANT.THE.MUSLIM.BROTHERHOOD.IN.CHARGE!

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM

I think the Muslim Brotherhood wants themselves in charge. There are a myriad of different groups, the MB would be the apparent successor to a new regime because they are the strongest group.

As for the notion that the US helped orchestrate this, I truly doubt it. That leak is totally false or they were using the kid for another purpose. I don’t think regime change was a priority.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Zero weighs in in t-5min “soon”

NY Conservative on January 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Zero to speak in about 5 minutes.

a capella on January 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM

DumOba$$tard is gettin ready to give his $.0000000000001 (two cents). whateva

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Well if Obama can claim to be in favor of small deficits and lower spending then Mubarak can claim he loves democracy.

Rocks on January 28, 2011 at 6:19 PM

NY Conservative on January 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM

High five!

a capella on January 28, 2011 at 6:19 PM

WTF!!!! What are they going to do to prevent it????? This is why they are rioting….THEY.WANT.THE.MUSLIM.BROTHERHOOD.IN.CHARGE!

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood are the same ones who sided with Hitler during WWII.

A bad bunch they are.

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:19 PM

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I can’t wait. So much for comparing Scooter to Reagan.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM

a capella on January 28, 2011 at 6:19 PM

lol

NY Conservative on January 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM

DumOba$$tard is gettin ready to give his $.0000000000001 (two cents). whateva

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Unfortunately. The coward waited until everything subsided. Whatever he says today will probably be irrelevant tomorrow. There will be protests again.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM

This just in:

The AK rifles being used by the Egyptian military to shoot protesters were stamped “Made in China”. The tanks they are using to crush protesters say “Made in Russia”.

WOW.

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Well, shucks. That was exciting. Now what do we talk about for the rest of the evening while we wait for sunrise in the middle east to see if the mobs are back in the street, and to see if Murbarak is still King of Egypt.

Skandia Recluse on January 28, 2011 at 6:22 PM

I think the Muslim Brotherhood wants themselves in charge. There are a myriad of different groups, the MB would be the apparent successor to a new regime because they are the strongest group.

As for the notion that the US helped orchestrate this, I truly doubt it. That leak is totally false or they were using the kid for another purpose. I don’t think regime change was a priority.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM

My friend, if you recall, the Iranians were rioting AGAINST the MB’s taking over. The Egyptians are rioting because they want the MB to take over! Correct me if I’m wrong….please

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM

2008: “Manipulating Regime change is bad!!” – Barack Obama

2011: “Look at my Regime Changing abilities!! Pretty good, Huh?” -Barack Obama

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Jordan can only be a matter of days, at most. Great work, Barry. It is so nice to see a leader who understands how to promote smooth transitions.

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:25 PM

The Iranians were rioting against the mullahs, the Egyptians were allegedly rioting for “freedom” and are being manipulated by the MB

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Obama is running a Lazy Susan Administration.

All Spin All The Time.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Is PBHO going to say what he said about the Honduran mess, that the Egyptian coup attempt is illegal?

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

MB is basically Sunni, the Iranian theocracy is not

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

dear leader getting ready to speak?

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM

MB is basically Sunni, the Iranian theocracy is not

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Well THAT makes it all better.

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Only if they try to establish a capitalist based denocracy.

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:25 PM

All of the sudden, I’m flashing back to my days as a College Radio News Director reporting about the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM

AFP: Obama spoke with Mubarak for about 30 minutes today.

amerpundit on January 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Of course it doesn’t, but I was replying to the comment that Iranians were rioting against the MB

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM

and that a new one will be formed tomorrow — with him in charge, natch.

yeah, that’s going to calm things down….

/

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:29 PM

All of the sudden, I’m flashing back to my days as a College Radio News Director reporting about the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM

That was YOU? I’ve been on hold since 1979, trying to request you play My Sharona.

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM

That was YOU? I’ve been on hold since 1979, trying to request you play My Sharona.

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM

lol
:)

love that song

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM

my apologies…..heat of the moment, heh?

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I loved the picture on the cover of the 45.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM

we’ve been secretly backing pro-democracy activists in Egypt at least since 2008

Bush was President, not Obama

faraway on January 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Saudis are also Sunni. They cool with the MB? IIRC, bin Laden had a grudge against the Saudis because they let troops from the Great Satan on their soil. bin Laden’s group originated from the MB, didn’t they?

a capella on January 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Is this the Mitt Romney approach, support whomever wins in the end?

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Personally I think we should support the losers… that would be so much better!

petunia on January 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM

For those of you who might think this revolution is somehow pro democracy just compare the pictures you are seeing to Iran’s uprising. How many buildings and cars were burnt in Iran? In Iran women were very prevalent. Where are the women in this revolution?

Rocks on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

My friend, if you recall, the Iranians were rioting AGAINST the MB’s taking over. The Egyptians are rioting because they want the MB to take over! Correct me if I’m wrong….please

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM

I don’t know about the Iranian situation in relation to the MB in the past (or are you taking about 09?). But I do know that they support the MB now.

As for the situation now, it’s very sectarian. There are multiple groups, different parties instigating the protests. The MB is by far the most powerful of these groups, so I don’t think you or anyone else is wrong to say that they would take control of the country if Mubarak if kicked out.

But, I do think it’s erroneous to say that all protesters support the MB. There are secular dissidents.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

portlandon on January 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM

You didn’t hear me. At the time, the station was only heard on campus. The transmitter was powered by 2 light bulbs and a hamster on a treadmill.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

MB is basically Sunni poTAYto, the Iranian theocracy is not poTAHto

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:26 PM

pedestrian on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Jackass speaking now on Fox News, saying very little more than Gibbs did.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

“Moment of volatility”=never let a crisis go to waste

NY Conservative on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Odumba$$ is throwing up on us now….let me be clear….blah blah blah….I need a drink

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM

refresh my memory

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Limerick on January 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Thanks, I certainly think one is as evil as the other. MB is also here in the US making them a huge domestic concern. I wonder if BO knows any members? Perhaps some of the MSA kiddies.

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:35 PM

“a meaningful dialogue”…broken record.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:36 PM

He’s making an effort to get on both sides of this one, all in an effort to avoid being on the wrong side.

tommyboy on January 28, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Ah, mentioned his Cairo speech. Knew he couldn’t resist.

a capella on January 28, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Well, there go all those mummy specials on the History Channel! Dr. Hawass will not be happy about this!

AZCON on January 28, 2011 at 6:38 PM

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:35 PM

black haired chick in wife beater t-shirt, jeans, and a Joan Jett hairdo, slouched provacatively

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:38 PM

“a meaningful dialogue”…broken record.

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Yep, two speeds; slow and dead slow when it comes to most issues

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:38 PM

The timing of the new Time magazine piece sure doesn’t Bury at all.

darwin-t on January 28, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Saudis are also Sunni. They cool with the MB? IIRC, bin Laden had a grudge against the Saudis because they let troops from the Great Satan on their soil. bin Laden’s group originated from the MB, didn’t they?

a capella on January 28, 2011 at 6:33 PM

al-Zawahiri (AQ’s # 2) came from the MB. To my knowledge, the Saudi’s are not on friendly terms with the MB.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Well, there go all those mummy specials on the History Channel!

LOL. No doubt, no doubt…

tommyboy on January 28, 2011 at 6:41 PM

kingsjester on January 28, 2011 at 6:38 PM

ah yes….

cmsinaz on January 28, 2011 at 6:41 PM

I don’t know about the Iranian situation in relation to the MB in the past (or are you taking about 09?). But I do know that they support the MB now.
As for the situation now, it’s very sectarian. There are multiple groups, different parties instigating the protests. The MB is by far the most powerful of these groups, so I don’t think you or anyone else is wrong to say that they would take control of the country if Mubarak if kicked out.

But, I do think it’s erroneous to say that all protesters support the MB. There are secular dissidents.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Yes….’09 and no. They (the Iranians)do not support the MB now, but NOW since the MB has taken total control, they have no choice…..again….correct me if I’m wrong. Please. Also, all protesters do support the MB, hence the reason for their riots. You say they are secular dissidents, but watch who wins…

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM

For those of you who might think this revolution is somehow pro democracy just compare the pictures you are seeing to Iran’s uprising. How many buildings and cars were burnt in Iran? In Iran women were very prevalent. Where are the women in this revolution?

Rocks on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

There have already been reports that protesters tried to attack the U.S. Embassy (see my above post). You are spot on here. This “revolution” is likely going to end up with another Hezbolla-like government.

Pattosensei on January 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Iowahawk tweets:

Didn’t you all get the memo? Foreign policy is a job for the Berkeley City Council. The President is in charge of school lunch menus.

Jayrae on January 28, 2011 at 6:47 PM

The Iranians were rioting against the mullahs, the Egyptians were allegedly rioting for “freedom” and are being manipulated by the MB

clnurnberg on January 28, 2011 at 6:25 PM

So if the Zero administration has been supporting the “opposition” for the last three years does that mean they are/have been supporting the Muslim Brotherhood? I think so.

shmendrick on January 28, 2011 at 6:49 PM

For those of you who might think this revolution is somehow pro democracy just compare the pictures you are seeing to Iran’s uprising. How many buildings and cars were burnt in Iran? In Iran women were very prevalent. Where are the women in this revolution?

Rocks on January 28, 2011 at 6:34 PM

+1 Good question. The MB keeps their women in potato sacks.

shmendrick on January 28, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Yes….’09 and no. They (the Iranians)do not support the MB now, but NOW since the MB has taken total control, they have no choice…..again….correct me if I’m wrong. Please. Also, all protesters do support the MB, hence the reason for their riots. You say they are secular dissidents, but watch who wins…

sicoit on January 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM

You’re spot on with Iran. The MB definitely will win unfortunately. Iran may not give full support to the MB; however, I think they would welcome a MB controlled government. They worked with AQ before, so I think Iran can transcend the Sunni/Shite divide. Especially if it’s in their interests.

With regards to the protests, I think a substantial portion are with or would align with the MB. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that all protesters have the same motives as the MB. But I’m with you, if these protests are successful, the MB will be the new government in place. They’re the only one organized and willing to do whatever it takes (unfortunately).

As for the 09 Green Revolution, that was a revolt against the Theocracy in place and the Revolutionary Guard. I don’t think the MB is active there.

Cr4sh Dummy on January 28, 2011 at 6:57 PM

News flash from Shemp Smith: In Egypt a revolution is attempting to occur.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Ambassador Scobey questioned whether such an “unrealistic” plot could work, or ever even existed. However, the documents showed that the activist had been approached by US diplomats and received extensive support for his pro-democracy campaign from officials in Washington.

Muhammad El-Baradei?

Buy Danish on January 28, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Well, there go all those mummy specials on the History Channel!

LOL. No doubt, no doubt…

tommyboy on January 28, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Does that mean grave robbing is back and they will be selling actual artifacts on EBay?

I bet it does.

Mubarak was preserving the past. Muslims don’t give a hoot about anything that happened before 600AD.

petunia on January 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Muhammad El-Baradei?

Buy Danish on January 28, 2011 at 7:11 PM

I heard El-Baradei is a pawn of the Iranians. It would be too ironic if were supporting the exact same dissident as the Iranians. Of course a master-mind smart enough to do that could run a country.

petunia on January 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM

I heard El-Baradei is a pawn of the Iranians.

petunia on January 28, 2011 at 7:37 PM

If the big 0 has been working behind the scenes with this tool it wouldn’t surprise me. This is the same as supporting the Muslim Brotherhood for all intents and purposes. One flavor of Islamist extremist is just as bad as another. Same old same old.

shmendrick on January 28, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Lemme get this straight: Obama did nothing to support the Iranian Democracy movement, but he has been working behind the scenes to depose Mubarak, Israel’s ally?

Buy Danish on January 28, 2011 at 9:00 PM

“Lemme get this straight: Obama did nothing to support the Iranian Democracy movement, but he has been working behind the scenes to depose Mubarak, Israel’s ally?

Buy Danish on January 28, 2011 at 9:00 PM”

Technically (and nobody is mentioning this point) so was Bush. The cable that is specifically mentioned on HotAir is from December 2008-the 2nd to last month of the Bush administration.

The cables go on to show that the U.S. government was in constant contact with this particular activist all throughout 2009 as well. So, it appears that the original U.S. support for a Mubarak overthrow originated under Bush, and continued under Obama.

The actions, from my viewpoint (in light of what the alternative is) are deplorable!

Indy82 on January 28, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Indy82 on January 28, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Good point, but while Bush urged Mubarak to make Democratic reforms, Obama went to Cairo and gave an Orwellian speech of revisionist history as part of his apology tour.

Buy Danish on January 28, 2011 at 9:43 PM

The people who put Obama in office need to realize how serious a screw-up they have committed. How can he attend to anything for this country or its interests if his heart isnt in it?

johnnyU on January 29, 2011 at 7:16 AM

Obama’s Mind: Demonstrations, uprisings, innocent people Killed, Muslim Brotherhood installed as new defacto Rulers of Egypt = GOOD!

Obama’s Mind: Demonstrations, uprisings, innocent people Killed; Mullahs in Iran overthrown and Democracy installed in…IRAN = BAD!

Ah, okay, I get that, sure makes sense to me…./sarc!

Dale in Atlanta on January 29, 2011 at 9:49 AM

The Obama administration has known this would be happening since 2008. Here are a few links for your reading pleasure that talks to an individual who attended the Alliance Youth Movements Summit in 2008 whereby the Obama Campaigns New Media Team was involved. In 2009 SOS Clinton was the keynote speaker. It only took me 5 minutes to connect the dots.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289698/Egypt-protests-secret-US-document-discloses-support-for-protesters.html

When Obama was talking during his campaign about “youth movements” you’ll understand a bit more clearly what he meant.

The “Field Manual” is most interesting.

http://info.howcast.com/youthmovements/summit

lyfsatrip on January 29, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Looters destroy mummies during Egypt protests

… it’s probably Bush’s fault … LOL

J_Crater on January 29, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Typical Obama response:” We must not jump to any conclusions that might unjustly blame any Arab or Muslin for this crisis that I inherited from the evil George W. Bush. We must EN-SHORE that the right wing nuts remain civil in their comments.Speech by Sara Palin, Glen Beck,Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin,Sean Hannity, The Tea Party,Fox News, and all Republicans mav incite riots and mayhem They should be quiet while I speak of myself and send aid in the form of windmills, solar shingles, and lots of leftover caulking. Furthermore I am sending my unemployed Gibbs to speak to the masses. He lies like a rug and can convince the Egyptians that there is no problem.I will carefully monitor this situation from the golf course and will speak more if needed. If it becomes more serious I will send them a few electric cars made by Government Motors in China. That should do the trick.I will hammer this message home from the campaign trail as I circle the world on Air Force One With my posse.I will try to use this to get re-elected.”

Marco on January 29, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Although in fairness, I will say nobody saw this coming.

Nobody, except for Gerald Celente, Tyler at Zerohedge, Denninger at Market Ticker, and everyone else who has the slightest clue.

Rae on January 29, 2011 at 2:42 PM

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