Hawaii to Balance Budget by Selling Obama Birth Certificates

posted at 2:25 pm on January 28, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

With so many states battling massive budget problems it’s no surprise that some of them might start getting creative in new ways to raise cash. Hawaii is clearly blazing a new trail in this area by tapping in to one natural resource unique to the islands. No, it’s not sugar cane or lava rocks. A proposal has been brought up to sell copies of the president’s birth certificate for $100 a pop.

The state would charge $100 for a copy of President Obama’s birth records under a bill introduced in the Legislature by five Democrats. It would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records unless the person seeking them has a tangible interest. The bill has not been scheduled for a public hearing, and cannot move forward unless that happens. But the idea behind it is to end skepticism over Mr. Obama’s birthplace while raising a little money for a government.

A little money? That may be a rather modest assessment. This plan is genius, plain and simple. As recently as last August there were still more than a quarter of Americans who were at least “birther curious.” And the defense of Obama’s eligibility has turned into something of a cottage industry on the Left. If even 10% of these people ordered a copy, Hawaii could be flush with cash in no time.

How many more states will be able to forge a path to fiscal stability with unique offerings such as this? Washington State could auction off random hair samples from animals found in the woods, allowing the curious to test them for proof of the existence of Bigfoot. Mississippi might sell off authentic tar balls taken from the local beaches, each signed and dated by Al Gore. (For a vastly inflated fee you can have your own oil soaked pelican! What… too soon?)

Alaska isn’t facing as much of a debt problem as, for example, New York, but might they not get well back into the black by selling DNA samples from Governor Palin’s children, assuming she was willing to donate a few toenail clippings? (Sully would probably order a few thousand of them by himself.) Kentucky could begin mailing out chupacabra teeth for better than $500 each.

This is the kind of innovative creativity which is doubtless what President Obama had in mind as our “Sputnik moment.” Three cheers for Hawaii. This is precisely the sort of out of the box thinking we’re going to need in tough economic times.


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Most likely this will not allow to buy yobummer’s birth certificate (there is ability to block that even in that law) , but this would make everyone to pay to get theirs :) Demorats creative idea about raising taxes, through fees.

anikol on January 28, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Printed on hemp paper?

pedestrian on January 28, 2011 at 2:28 PM

assuming it exists, it sounds like a violation of Obama’s “negative rights”…

mjbrooks3 on January 28, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Why would anyone buy one when there is no proof I have seen that it is the real one? Didn’t the gov. there say he couldn’t find the bc?
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letget on January 28, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Naw, one person would buy it, put it on the ‘net to answer all questions for once and for all, and that’d be the end of it.

Bob's Kid on January 28, 2011 at 2:29 PM

It’s a Jazz marathon!

pugwriter on January 28, 2011 at 2:29 PM

How many more states will be able to forge a path to fiscal stability with unique offerings such as this?

Down here in Houston, one school district is selling ad space on school buses. We saw an H&R Block ad on the back panel of a Spring Independent School district school bus.

Weight of Glory on January 28, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I’d buy one; put it up on the wall next to mine. Of course, mine would be longer.
Liberals say “size doesn’t matter,” maybe they just suffer from Birth Certificate envy.
My redhead differs, she likes my full size Birth Certificate.
And so do I.

LincolntheHun on January 28, 2011 at 2:31 PM

No thanks. I’m sure on the document backs, it will say “Made in China”.

RepubChica on January 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Alaska isn’t facing as much of a debt problem as, for example,

oil baby and the fact we don’t tax the crap out of our people.

And didn’t the Hawaii Gov say they couldn’t FIND the elusive BO BC? So how do you sell something that isn’t there? Is this like trying to push electric cars without first figuring out how to make the electric to run the,.

Oh yes, that forward thinking is working!

upinak on January 28, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Is this the one they can’t find?

PappyD61 on January 28, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Naw, one person would buy it, put it on the ‘net to answer all questions for once and for all, and that’d be the end of it.

Exactly! One person buys it then posts it. This is a perfect example of the elitist ruling class left thinking we are the stupid ones.
They are in for a shock. Don’t start spending the income yet.

400lb Gorilla on January 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM

This country is doomed.

mizflame98 on January 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Actually, I find this amusing. Libs don’t usually amuse me at all.

trigon on January 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM

How much for a copy of PBHO’s college transcripts?

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM

This coming from the first state in the Union to stop the daily prayers before each session of the State Senate.

Sultry Beauty on January 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM

next up: tickets to see the bearded lady and the snake with two heads.

side shows.

ted c on January 28, 2011 at 2:38 PM

You can’t sell what you don’t have.

NeoKong on January 28, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Have people in government always been such idiots?

LASue on January 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Hawaii Health Director abruptly either quits or is fired (for personal reasons). But I’m sure it has nothing to do with anything about anything…

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/27/politics/main7288553.shtml

UnderstandingisPower on January 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM

I think Jazz is giving us the jazz. Heh.

radioboyatl on January 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Seems to me that thisw is a great idea. Most of the comments posted are rather short sighted. How about all the States that have historicaly significant documents on file like John Adams birthcertificate, George Washinton Death certificate or wills. The list could go on for ever and copies of all could be legeally sold.

jpcpt03 on January 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM

It will never happen but it is a clever idea. Problem is, it will end up being a $100 tax for people wanting a copy of their own Birth Certificate (or family memeber) and the only people who will buy this are left wingers who will carry it with them hoping they run into a birther to prove his birthplace too.

Daemonocracy on January 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM

upinak@2:34,
I was watching Cavuto on Fox yesterday and he had your governor on, he appears to be a good one from what I heard.
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letget on January 28, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Since to order someone’s BC, you have to be related somehow, that will never fly. And other than for certification purposes, his BC should not be made freely available to the public. But the persons responsible for certifiying his eligibility for POTUS SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT & CHECKED IT OUT. Whoever the hell those people are.

Instead,I want copies of all of the scholarly papers he published.

Badger40 on January 28, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Barry Soetoro is an impostor. arrest him now.

moonbatkiller on January 28, 2011 at 2:42 PM

No thanks. I’m sure on the document backs, it will say “Made in China”.

RepubChica on January 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM

bwahahahahahaha

VibrioCocci on January 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM

may i have mine printed on a roll of charmin tp?

DrW on January 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Wonder Dems activate! In the form of ………a MORON.

In the form of…….an IDIOT!!!

Btw….didn’t Abercrombie say it couldn’t be found???

capejasmine on January 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

We are all Birthers now

(Someday you will all say that. Be we will remember who the Deniers were.

pseudonominus on January 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Btw….didn’t Abercrombie say it couldn’t be found???

capejasmine on January 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

I thought he saw it but was not permitted to let anyone else see it.

VibrioCocci on January 28, 2011 at 2:47 PM

100 dollars for a “Birth Certificate”, or a “Certificate of Live Birth”?

Thune on January 28, 2011 at 2:48 PM

No thanks. I’m sure on the document backs, it will say “Made in China”.

RepubChica on January 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Or “Property of China”

JetBoy on January 28, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Now class, if an Obama birth certificate is sold for $100.00, how many will need to be sold to retire a national debt of $14.7 trillion? For extra credit, how many zeroes are there in a trillion?

oldleprechaun on January 28, 2011 at 2:50 PM

No thanks. I’m sure on the document backs, it will say “Made in China”.

RepubChica on January 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Early nomination for winner in this thread. Bonus points for not taking the easy path and saying, “Made in Kenya.”

Jazz Shaw on January 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM

IF they really want to make some money out of it, sell the BC form with birth parents space left blank.

And have the ACORN people fill stuff in…..

Sir Napsalot on January 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM

If even 10% of these people ordered a copy, Hawaii could be flush with cash in no time.

Why, with the abundance of blogs out there and people merely wanting to see it instead of owning a copy for themselves, this could net Hawaii as much as…$100.

James on January 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Btw….didn’t Abercrombie say it couldn’t be found???

capejasmine on January 28, 2011 at 2:45 PM

A journalist that is supposedly close friends came out and said Abercrombie told him it couldn’t be found.

Then, mysteriously a few days later, completely retracted the statement.

For the most part, I’ve dismissed this whole thing, but after the past week, I have to admit that things sure do seem quirky. Aber…is going to produce it, then can’t, then a close associate says he couldn’t find it.

And Hawaii democrats come out with this “idea” to cover up the issue, as if it’s the “short form” that everyone is taking issue with when in reality, it’s the long form.

BruthaMan on January 28, 2011 at 2:58 PM

I was watching Cavuto on Fox yesterday and he had your governor on, he appears to be a good one from what I heard.
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letget on January 28, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Parnell is okay. He isn’t the most conservative Gov… but he isn’t a complete RINO either.

upinak on January 28, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Most likely this will not allow to buy yobummer’s birth certificate (there is ability to block that even in that law) , but this would make everyone to pay to get theirs :) Demorats creative idea about raising taxes, through fees.

+1

And if the law stipulates they cannot release anyone’s birth certificate without the person’s consent, then they certainly can’t sell copies either.

rcpjr on January 28, 2011 at 2:59 PM

100 dollars for a “Birth Certificate”, or a “Certificate of Live Birth”?

Thune on January 28, 2011 at 2:48 PM

good question!

mjbrooks3 on January 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM

“I’d buy that for a dollar!”

aquaviva on January 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM

The birth certificate people will receive for their $100 will be the same COLB that has been posted online for years.
Great idea by Hawaii to make a few bucks from idiots.

I’m uncertain that the genuine privacy issues and identity theft concerns for normal residents of Hawaii don’t trump satisfying birthers on this. The change to the law would make anyone’s birth certificate in Hawaii available for a $100, thus opening up those residents to identity theft. The current law prevents anyone from obtaining birth records without the consent or a tangible need. However, the $100 fee and record of the request would probably dissuade potential identity thieves from using this method.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Wishful thinking, Hawai’i hasn’t been able to find Ozeros BC.

Kini on January 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Have they ever heard of copy machines and scanners? What Dodos.

MaiDee on January 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM

OT: Where’s Ed today? (Not in LA with Rush, is he?)

petefrt on January 28, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Okay, that’s pretty funny.

How much for a copy of PBHO’s college transcripts?

Bishop on January 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM

OoooOOOooo … even better.

bitsy on January 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM

We have two children. One was born in the U.S. and one was born in Asia. Our child born while we were living in Asia has a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’, issued to him so that he could get a U.S. passport to enter the U.S. It looks exactly like Obama’s ‘Certificate of Live Birth’. Our child born on U.S. soil did not need this certificate.

maryo on January 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Here’s another problem with the whole BC problem.

Hawai’i passed a Vexatious Requester law that in effect, denies anyone they deem abusing the system, by a pattern of requests for information from the government.

The problem is, they could deny anyone, for anything, if they wanted to.

Plus, as our Governor Neil “Krusty the Clown” Abercrombie tried and failed to find the document in question, because it Does Not Exist!

Kini on January 28, 2011 at 3:25 PM

the bill’s main sponsor, Representative Rida Cabanilla

Rida Cabanilla is a Democratic member of the Hawaii House of Representatives, representing the 42nd District since 2005.

Albeit I’m no birther nor someone who looks for conspiracies but would anyone not living in a cave think that given the giant Democrat networking machine the head of which is in the Whitehouse that maybe there’s an off chance that a Democrat politician sponsoring a bill directly concerning the privacy and politics of a Democrat President would have some form of communication about the subject of that Presidents birth record?

Speakup on January 28, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Occidental, Columbia, and Hahvahd could blow up their already bulging coffers by selling off Bammie’s transcripts, if they still exist.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Rush or Palin can request a copy. One of the exceptions in the law is for relatives to request a copy for genealogical purposes.

Since both Rush and Palin are related to Obama, either of them can request one.

barnone on January 28, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Why stop there. Find or “recreate” the original BC, put it in a glass case, set it up in some rotunda surrounded by other Obama novelties, and charge $50 for guided tours. This would boost the HI economy with all the tourists who would visit, hotels would fill up, the public need will be satisfied. Then when that starts to dry up, put the show on a 57 state road show.

Now we know why the GOV started all that BC talk. Is there a BC or not? Only way to see for sure is fly to the Obama Museum!!

AverageJoe on January 28, 2011 at 3:46 PM

The font matches Dan Rather’s typewriter. Hmmm.

Geochelone on January 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Will they order them from Kenya?

SurferDoc on January 28, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Down the road, someone will say “I HAVE AN ORIGINAL COPY” and it will be like the Constitution.

Watch… mark these words.

upinak on January 28, 2011 at 3:48 PM

i’m not much of a birther because the timeline tells a sad story of a young women made pregnant by an already-married man. Got married quickly. Now if you read the Ann Dunham wikipedia story you get the strong sense that they really didn’t “get along” that well.

barry was born in August…by September he and his mother were in the State of Washington. She went back to school in Washington. Barry Sr. left HI in 1962 to go to MA…Ann goes back to HI to re-enroll in school.

So Ann actually had to leave HI. This actually sounds like an abusive situation. She leaves immediately after Barry was born, and comes back after Barry Sr. has gone. Her parents, no doubt, subsidizing her to do this

r keller on January 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM

a privacy law barring the release of birth records unless the person seeking them has a tangible interest

As Michael Yon pointed out today isn’t the fact that Obama’s the President of the USA a tangible enough reason for Americans to see the birth certificate?

I don’t think there’s anything in the claims that Obama was born overseas but my major gripe with this is that Congress held a hearing about John McCain’s eligibility but for some reason Obama gets a free pass. Why the double standard? And why the refusal by Obama to release it? Makes no sense to me.

And given Obama’s lack of a paper trail- I believe records from his time as an elected official in Illinois vanished- why doesn’t Congress just pass a law stating that all Presidential candidates must sign an agreement to release all pertinent documents at the start of their campaign- birth certificate, college records, military records, records from time spent serving in public office, medical records, etc.

Personally I’m still waiting for the LA Times to release that Rashid Khalidi video tape…

Jay Mac on January 28, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Step right up, folks. This whole bc thing has turned into a 3 ring circus.

Kissmygrits on January 28, 2011 at 4:36 PM

They are guaranteed to sell at least one copy.
Have the not heard of the internets?

esnap on January 28, 2011 at 4:40 PM

It’ll be the name, date and place version: the one which doesn’t say what race he was registered as.

Glenside on January 28, 2011 at 4:48 PM

It’ll be the name, date and place version: the one which doesn’t say what race he was registered as.

Glenside on January 28, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Coincidently enough: Name, date and place happen to be the only information one would need to determine eligiblity for the Office of president. Is this the birth certificate of Barack H. Obama II? Yes. Was he born in the United States? Yes. Was he over the age of 35 when he was elected to the office of president? Yes.
Done and done.

For some reason, the constitution as presently amended, does not care “what race he was registered as.” Neither do I. And neither do most posters on Hot Air, I believe.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Yes, race could be a point of embarrassment for Bammie. These documents would have been applied for without the baby or child there, and they might have said ‘white’, or the gummint worker could have looked at Grandma and Grandpa and his slatternly mother and just assumed.

Somehow I think it’s more than that though. Perhaps under father it says Davis, or Malcolm X, or unknown. Maybe under citizenship of father it says ‘British’, or perhaps Stanley renounced her US citizenship and claimed that of another country.

There’s something there that Bammie is paying a lot of money to keep hidden.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM

One more time: the image used here is the certification not the certificate. How hard is this to understand?

-Aslan’s Girl

PS still, glad to see another “birther” thread, teehee!

Aslans Girl on January 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM

“If we hype it, they will pay.”

I wonder if Obama can syphon off some of the proceeds for his 2012 campaign coffers?

locomotivebreath1901 on January 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Done and done.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Nope.

Legislation pending in ten states specifically demands long form birth certificates for presidential and vice presidential candidate ballot access.

COLB or “short forms” simply will not be good enough.

Rebar on January 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Why don’t they just force us to buy one, ya know, like State Run Heath Care.

Geochelone on January 28, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Great idea. Then you could buy one of these birth certificates, and sue them for fraud for selling you a non-existent birth certificate. Which would give you standing to see the real thing. Then they either produce it or admit to fraud.

Of course, if you buy it through the mail, and it’s fraud, then it’s a federal offense.

tom on January 28, 2011 at 8:27 PM

My wife was born in Cebu, her birth cert is hand written on a yellow note pad paper then stamped by the village mayor. No joke.

Alden Pyle on January 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM

….on a side note, even hers has more info than the one Barry posted.

Alden Pyle on January 28, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Legislation pending in ten states specifically demands long form birth certificates for presidential and vice presidential candidate ballot access.

COLB or “short forms” simply will not be good enough.

Rebar on January 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM

If the purpose of the state bills is to determine eligibility, and the only current requirements for eligibility are: 1) born in the United States; and 2) over the age of 35 —> then why doesn’t the document already provided on the internet satisfy? It states what city he was born in: Honolulu. It states what county he was born in: also Honolulu. It states what island he was born on: Oahu. It states what State he was born in: Hawaii. Hawaii was in 1961(and still is) one of the United States of America. The time period between 1961 and 2008 is greater than 35 years. This document was issued by the state of Hawaii as it’s official proof of birth. Therefore, this document fulfills the purpose of proving the essential elements of eligibility for President Obama: Place of birth and time.
You may want to see his original birth certificate, but it isn’t for eligibility . You already have the necessary authenticated information showing the elements for eligibility. At best, your purpose in seeking the other document is just idle curiosity. And curiosity is very rarely sated.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Heck, I would pay $100 for a copy of the actual long form Birth Certificate.

I would want to see what on it he spent so much money and time keeping sealed.

Theophile on January 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Legislation pending in ten states specifically demands long form birth certificates for presidential and vice presidential candidate ballot access.
COLB or “short forms” simply will not be good enough.
Rebar on January 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM

If the purpose of the state bills is to determine eligibility, and the only current requirements for eligibility are: 1) born in the United States; and 2) over the age of 35 —> then why doesn’t the document already provided on the internet satisfy? It states… This document was issued by the state of Hawaii as it’s official proof of… New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM

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Seriously???
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1] You conveniently left out the 3rd requirement: Natural born citizen at birth.
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2] that online COLB is worthless- the reasons are obvious (don’t agree? Try this: the next time you’re stopped by a cop, whip out your iPad & show him an online copy of your license)
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3] Obama already told the world that he was a DUAL CITIZEN AT BIRTH on page 26 of his AUTObiography, Dreams From My Father. No need for his birth certificate- dual citizen at birth & natural born citizen at birth are mutually exclusive. (Obama can’t be both)
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IMO, both he & Biden should be indicted & perp-walked thru the Rose Garden. And now that Pelosi is out, John Boehner would be President until another election could be held

NightmareOnKStreet on January 29, 2011 at 1:31 AM

You may want to see his original birth certificate, but it isn’t for eligibility .

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM

The laws will specifically call for long form birth certificates – and a state is perfectly within it’s rights to demand whatever proof they deem necessary for eligibility.

Let 0bama play lawyers games with this requirement, and you’ll see a fringe “birther” movement of 75% of registered voters, not to mention forfeiting over 100 electorial votes.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM

You may want to see his original birth certificate, but it isn’t for eligibility .
New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM

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When war hero, John McCain, wanted to run for POTUS, he was required to produce his to court approved forensic document examiners & subjected to a full congressional hearing. WHY SHOULD OBAMA, a man who has walked this earth for 50 years barely leaving any footprints, NOT BE REQUIRED TO DO THE SAME?

NightmareOnKStreet on January 29, 2011 at 1:51 AM

NightmareOnKStreet on January 29, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I like the way you put this: “barely leaving any footprints” — he walks on air not water. Creepy.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 29, 2011 at 4:33 AM

The laws will specifically call for long form birth certificates – and a state is perfectly within it’s rights to demand whatever proof they deem necessary for eligibility.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM

Are you sure about that? If his eligibility has already been proven by the COLB (and apparently you agree with that), then what reason does the state have for demanding a long form?

Under your theory, could a state demand testimony from the doctor who delivered the candidate? Even if the doctor is dead?

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM

If his eligibility has already been proven by the COLB (and apparently you agree with that), then what reason does the state have for demanding a long form?

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM

I do not agree with that.

Hawaiian COLBs can and has been issued to those not born in Hawaii, only a long form birth certificate is proof certain, and contains the information for further investigation, if called for.

Twist and squirm all you like, the states are demanding long form birth certificates by law – 0bama will have to produce his or forfeit those states, simple as that.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Let 0bama play lawyers games with this requirement, and you’ll see a fringe “birther” movement of 75% of registered voters, not to mention forfeiting over 100 electorial votes.
Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 1:34 AM

‘Because his policies are terrible’ called and left you a message today.

He already took possession of 87 of the 130 electoral votes these 11 states placed on the table in November 2010. There are only 43 electoral votes remaining for ‘because of birthers’.

Wait. CT has a blue Senate. It’s unlikely to pass a ‘raise the bar’ law on a sitting blue President. CT has removed its’ 7 electoral votes from the table.

There are now only 36 electoral votes remaining on the table to be claimed by ‘because of birthers’. Of course, PA, IN, ME, NE must pass these laws before ‘because of birthers’ are eligible for the prize.

rukiddingme on January 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM

I do not agree with that.

Hawaiian COLBs can and has been issued to those not born in Hawaii
Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 11:38 AM

That’s true, but COLB’s can’t say that the person was born in Hawaii unless the state verifies that fact. And Obama’s COLB says he was born in Hawaii. I’ve posted this before, so I assume you’re aware of it.

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.

So is it your position that the Hawaiian state official is lying? If not, then isn’t it clear that the COLB established his eligibility?

only a long form birth certificate is proof certain

Why? Because you said so? Why isn’t the COLB enough? Where in the Constitution does it say that only a long-form birth certificate establishes eligibility? Could you point out the specific clause, please?

And I’m still curious to hear your answer to my last question. You said:

a state is perfectly within it’s rights to demand whatever proof they deem necessary for eligibility.

Given that….

Under your theory, could a state demand testimony from the doctor who delivered the candidate? Even if the doctor is dead?

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 11:17 AM

I’d like to add, “under your theory, could a state demand additional proof after a candidate has already established there eligibility (as Obama has)? If so, why?”

I look forward to your responses.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM

You already have the necessary authenticated information showing the elements for eligibility. At best, your purpose in seeking the other document is just idle curiosity. And curiosity is very rarely sated.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM

This pretty much sums it up. Well put.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM

You already have the necessary authenticated information showing the elements for eligibility. At best, your purpose in seeking the other document is just idle curiosity. And curiosity is very rarely sated.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on January 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM
This pretty much sums it up. Well put.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Yep.

One has to wonder what would have happened had McCain won the election and some on the left continually demanded to see his birth certificate.

Seems likely the birthers on the right would be arguing against their brethren.

rukiddingme on January 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM

I look forward to your responses.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 2:33 PM

My response is – too bad.

Once again, the state laws will specifically require the long form birth certificate. The discussion/arguments/verbal gymnastics/mocking are officially over. 0bama will have to produce the document or forfeit ballot access, simple as that.

“Birthers” win, “gullibles” lose.

Period end of story.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

My response is – too bad.

…that’s not a response and you know it. Look, I provided a quote from a Hawaiian official completely debunking your theory. Either you say you think the state official is lying, or you admit Obama is eligible. Quit squirming around and man up.

Once again, the state laws will specifically require the long form birth certificate. The discussion/arguments/verbal gymnastics/mocking are officially over. 0bama will have to produce the document or forfeit ballot access, simple as that.

None of those laws have passed, in fact the ones that have been voted on have been voted down or withdrawn.

And even if one were to pass, how do you know they’ll require a “long form birth certificate,” and that Obama’s COLB will be insufficient? From what I’ve read, they’ll just require proof of eligibility or a “birth certificate” (which Obama has already provided).

“Birthers” win, “gullibles” lose.

Period end of story.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM

This kind of post is typical of your type. Once you get too deep into the discussion, you plainly lose on the facts, so you either leave the topic or you stop responding on the merits. The sad thing is, unless you’re a complete moron, you must know you’re wrong. Yet you keep soldiering on in topic after topic, repeating the same recycled lies.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 3:10 PM

If you bothered to look at the link I provided before, you’d understand that these bills are almost certain to pass – elections matter, in case your were asleep Nov. 2. Moreover, the text of the bills are up on the web:

Arizona’s HB2544, Connecticut’s SB391, Georgia’s HB37, Indiana’s SB114, Maine’s LD34, Missouri’s HB283, Montana’s HB205, Nebraska’s LB654, Oklahoma’s SB91, SB384 and SB540, and Texas; HB295 and HB529.

For example, the Texas bill states:

The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate’s original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen.

try doing a little research before trying to get into the same old tired arguments regarding the COLB is valid or no, it has been debated ad nauseum on this site and the rest of the web.

The debate is over, the states will pass these laws, 0bama will have to produce his long form birth certificate or forfeit ballot access – it really is that simple.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 3:20 PM

try doing a little research before trying to get into the same old tired arguments regarding the COLB is valid or no, it has been debated ad nauseum on this site and the rest of the web.

And you lose on the facts. Time after time after time.

Yet for some bizarre reason you won’t admit Obama is eligible. All you can do now is dodge questions, lie, or post wnd links. It really is pathetic.

If you bothered to look at the link I provided before, you’d understand that these bills are almost certain to pass

Then why haven’t they? And why have such b

For example, the Texas bill states:

The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate’s original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Where does it say the birth certificate Obama provided is insufficient?

The debate is over

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 3:20 PM

That’s one thing we agree on.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

That’s one thing we agree on.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Indeed.

These laws will pass – 0bama will either produce his long form birth certificate, forfeit the electoral votes, or simply not run.

However it plays out, “birthers” win.

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 4:01 PM

The debate is over

Rebar on January 29, 2011 at 3:20 PM

That’s one thing we agree on.

crr6 on January 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM

AZ HB2544 uses the phrase ‘an original long form birth certificate’. It contains the language holy grail birthers seek.

NE LB654 has a peculiar requirement in an attempt to help out the ‘non natural born’ crowd: ‘On the day I was born, both my birth mother and birth father were citizens of the United States’.

Of the remaining states birthers ‘won’

CT SB291, OK SB91, and TX HB295 uses the phrase ‘original birth certificate’, GA HB37 uses the phrase ‘original documentation’, IN SB114 and ME LD34 use the phrase ‘certified copy of the candidate’s birth certificate’, and MO HB283 uses the phrase ‘proof of US Citizenship’.

MT and PA have plans for a bill, but no bill.

These laws are not the electoral vote coup Rebar purports them to be.

rukiddingme on January 29, 2011 at 4:46 PM