Biden: Hey, Mubarak’s not a dictator
posted at 9:13 pm on January 27, 2011 by Allahpundit
The guy’s been governing under “emergency” powers for 30 years. As we speak, his security forces have reportedly cut off access to Facebook and Twitter in order to handicap tomorrow’s protests. And at least eight leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood have been arrested with more doubtless to come in order to weaken the opposition.
Asked if he would characterize Mubarak as a dictator Biden responded: “Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things. And he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interest in the region, the Middle East peace efforts; the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing relationship with – with Israel. … I would not refer to him as a dictator.”
He also appeared to make one of the famous Biden gaffs, in comments that could be interpreted as questioning the legitimacy of protesters’ demands. Monitor Cairo correspondent Kristen Chick, other reporters in the country, and activists have generally characterized the main calls of demonstrators as focused on freedom, democracy, an end to police torture, and a more committed government effort to address the poverty that aflicts millions of Egyptians.
Biden urged non-violence from both protesters and the government and said: “We’re encouraging the protesters to – as they assemble, do it peacefully. And we’re encouraging the government to act responsibly and – and to try to engage in a discussion as to what the legitimate claims being made are, if they are, and try to work them out.” He also said: “I think that what we should continue to do is to encourage reasonable… accommodation and discussion to try to resolve peacefully and amicably the concerns and claims made by those who have taken to the street. And those that are legitimate should be responded to because the economic well-being and the stability of Egypt rests upon that middle class buying into the future of Egypt.”
As CSM notes, the protesters would surely be curious to know which of their demands for democratic reform is “illegitimate.” I get that we’re in a diplomatic bind here and that Biden’s hands are, to some extent, tied. Remember what happened last week when Harry Reid described Hu Jintao, not (entirely) inaccurately, as a “dictator” before walking it back? But if Obama’s leaning on Mubarak to democratize in order to earn the U.S. some goodwill on the Arab street, how do Biden’s comments here serve that end? Are the two playing some weird version of good cop/bad cop, with the VP responsible for stroking panicky Arab autocrats while the president plays to the people in the street? Mixed messages aren’t going to win much support if Mubarak is toppled after decades of America propping him up. Sure hope this bet-hedging works.
Here’s a snippet from the PBS interview, with Biden visibly uncomfortable at having to talk about this. Elsewhere in Egypt news tonight, Time mag wonders if Iranian nuclear apologist Mohamed ElBaradei is the answer. In that case, to paraphrase Gertrude Stein, what is the question?
Update: What could go wrong?
Demonstrators in Egypt have protested against rising prices and stagnant incomes, for greater freedom and against police brutality. But religion, so often a powerful mobilizing force here, has so far played little role.
That may be about to change.
With organizers calling for demonstrations after Friday prayer, the political movement will literally be taken to the doorsteps of the nation’s mosques. And as the Egyptian government and security services brace for the expected wave of mass demonstrations, Islamic groups seem poised to emerge as wildcards in the growing political movement.









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GaffeBiden strikes again!!
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM
After Hillary’s comments supporting Mubarak and the White House’scautioning to the Egyptian govt, we now haave the Veep offering personal support.an someone get this group of “smart power” amateurs on the same page. Or put them, at least in the same volume.
xkaydet65 on January 27, 2011 at 9:18 PM
Interesting,I wonder if Team Liberal has the same
aspirations and concrns for Tea Partiers!!
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM
Biden’s comment is a non sequitor — Egypt is a U.S. ally, so, Mubarak isn’t a dictator. Huh, Joe?
Paul-Cincy on January 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM
can’t believe that…he usually has no problems talking
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:21 PM
So…umm..where was the concern for Georgians
with the USSR,
or,Neda and the Green Party in Iran!!
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM
I don’t think Bush or Cheney would have called him a dictator either.
Mark1971 on January 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM
good point c
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:23 PM
with Biden visibly uncomfortable at having to talk about this.
can’t believe that…he usually has no problems talking
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:21 PM
cmsinaz:Your right,he does look a tad uncomfy!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:24 PM
Obama: “Who the hell let him outta the basement?!”
ThePrez on January 27, 2011 at 9:24 PM
I miss Anwar Sadat. I remember he was like a bright shining star for a little while. A Muslim leader who reached out to Israel in a true hand of peace. He was a hero in Israel.
JellyToast on January 27, 2011 at 9:24 PM
they have know idea what to do, normally in domestic affairs they could count on the msm to paper over their disorganized and foolish choices, here they have no power.
rob verdi on January 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM
This is VP Biden being Senator Biden, he never thinks before he speaks and tries really hard to sound informed and authoritative.
Bishop on January 27, 2011 at 9:26 PM
a little hot under the collar
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:26 PM
Actually, it’s very simple. America’s commitment should be not to democracy but liberal democracy. Only democratic movements which aim to establish tolerant societies should be supported, not fundamentalists.
If Obama was clever, he has a clear choice. Support Tunisia. Make it clear that if MB gets involved in Egyptian protests, there’s no way they are going to support them.
promachus on January 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM
Liberal Nominee Debate,and they joke and laugh,
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Obama on Foreign Policy Experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcX_lv5QjY
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM
Another WTF moment in the Obama Diary and a shout out by Sheriff Joe to his BFF Hosni Mubarak.
All Egypt needs is high speed rail.
SlaveDog on January 27, 2011 at 9:28 PM
Biden always seems to escape the basement at the worst times.
The White House needs better bondage gear.
I guess Bill Clinton took all of his toys and restraints with him when he left.
chief on January 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM
But I guess they can kiss the high speed internet access goodbye for the moment.
SlaveDog on January 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:24 PM
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a little hot under the collar
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:26 PM
cmsinaz:I bet,Biden wish’s that Obama shut his mouth on this,and he knows,with all the Sh*t hitting the fan in the
M.E,they have F” up!!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM
My loins are girded.
Ted Torgerson on January 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM
Let’s not overthink this thing. Past experience tells us they all are on different pages of the narrative, but not because of planning or familiarity with the facts.
a capella on January 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM
All Egypt needs is high speed rail.
SlaveDog on January 27, 2011 at 9:28 PM
SlaveDog:And…..green jobs..too…jus try’n to help!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM
heh:)
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM
Can’t get enough of this quote from Barack Obama in 2002:
MayBee on January 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM
Would OJesus really be disappointed if Egypt went Islamic Republic?
Answer: Was Carter upset when Iran drove the Shah out (to Egypt oddly enough)?
Islamic Mullahocracy drags Egypt back to the 7th Century in 5….4….
PappyD61 on January 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM
good one…
funny he sure is full of himself until he actually has to take action…
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:36 PM
didn’t they get that speech in Cairo…?
they should be happy for at least a millenium or something..
ted c on January 27, 2011 at 9:36 PM
OT: The no shiite February TIME magazine cover. Barfaroni.
http://americanglob.com/
Bishop on January 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM
:)
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM
Hosni Mubarak just emailed to say that Palin’s violent rhetoric has really gone too far this time.
SlaveDog on January 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM
Nothing…as long as they ‘invest’ in ‘high-speed rail’…it’ll fix what ails ya!
AUINSC on January 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
MayBee on January 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM
MayBee:A great reminder,Obama is,a Social Justice Of The
USA,
(SJOTUSA)!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM
they have none…
pretty pathetic
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM
…………………….ITS 3:00AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM
+1
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM
this
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM
Guaranteed Troll-free thread™
Inanemergencydial on January 27, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Hopey……………………..
………..is on the wrong side!!
Oh,and heres a kicker!!
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Tunisia purges government, wins union endorsement
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The powerful UGTT labor union, which has a large membership and played an important role in organizing the protests, will not join the new government itself but would approve the new lineup, a union source told Reuters.
http://www.newsmeat.com/news/meat.php?articleId=90223748&channelId=2951&buyerId=newsmeatcom&buid=3281
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM
I didn’t know there were Muslim labor unions. Just think of the possibilities.
SlaveDog on January 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM
============
this
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM
cmsinaz:Israel is surrounded,and with Hopey,ahem
Boinking the dog,and diddling for two years,
on the M.E.,I’m wondering,by design,or pure
Serendipity!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM
The choice: An Islamic strongman … who shall be an absolute dictator in the Iranian ayatollah style…or a secular strongman like Mubarak, who dictates that the Islamic strongman cannot come into dictatorship?
It’s not that hard a choice.
Except for delusional fools like Obama and Hillary. Who mistake “democracy” for “Constitutional representative Republic”.
Biden makes some sense, for once.
Maybe he plagiarized the idea.
profitsbeard on January 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM
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I didn’t know there were Muslim labor unions. Just think of the possibilities.
SlaveDog on January 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM
SlaveDog:Lol,ahem,no kidding,what could be worse than a
Purple Shirted Union Goon with a suicide vest on
for contract negotiations!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM
hmmmmm
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM
now that’s funny :)
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM
OT: The no shiite February TIME magazine cover. Barfaroni.
http://americanglob.com/
Bishop on January 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM
Bishop:Did you send it to Allah at tips,and I’m speechless,
its campaign season already!!
Btw,its perversion and sick to compare himself with
the Gipper!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:52 PM
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM
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hmmmmm
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM
cmsinaz: I know,Pure Crazy Talk!(sarc):)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM
Cool, we can watch democracy blow up the pagan pyramids and the Valley of the Kings on Frontline.
Limerick on January 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM
nothing is crazy anymore…bizarro world
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:57 PM
Cool, we can watch democracy blow up the pagan pyramids and the Valley of the Kings on Frontline.
Limerick on January 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM
Limerick:That thought has crossed my mind,the Islamic
NutJobs would love to purge every historical
remnant across this planet,every country,to
put up,their History!!!!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:57 PM
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM
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nothing is crazy anymore…bizarro world
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 9:57 PM
cmsinaz:Like I said to tigerlily earlier,before and after
the 2008 Presidential election,Hot Air,knew this
was going to be a train wreck,fasten your seatbelts
its gonna be a bumpy ride!:)
canopfor on January 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM
The libs scream about ‘dictators’ and never consider the despots that will take their place. Free and fair elections won’t do their buddys any good if it is the only free and fair election they’ll ever get.
Limerick on January 27, 2011 at 10:01 PM
yepper, just glad you and the HA gang are seated right next to me :)
cmsinaz on January 27, 2011 at 10:01 PM
And you just have to love that we can’t prop up Mubarak but can prop up Lil-lil Kim. Perfect Donk cowardess.
Limerick on January 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM
The left-leaning deathwish democrazy dance.
profitsbeard on January 27, 2011 at 10:10 PM
You are correct sir. Those are the only two choices and anyone that does not see that is dangerously naive, including Bammie and his prog cabal.
slickwillie2001 on January 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM
Wasn’t Joe responsible for tracking where all the STIMULUS money went…?
Seven Percent Solution on January 27, 2011 at 10:19 PM
He did. He followed it right to the drain.
Limerick on January 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM
Gee whiz, if we are not battling communists, we have Islamists to worry about? Unfortunately, the two seem to be working in tandem.
onlineanalyst on January 27, 2011 at 10:36 PM
Well, it was the very people leading this protest – the Muslim Brotherhood- who knocked him off.
Cr4sh Dummy on January 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM
Somehow I get the feeling that no one in Egypt tonight is waiting to hear what America has to say or gives a camels as$ what America thinks about this.
Word on the Arab street is that they hate our f*cking guts. All of them, all of us, all the time.
BL@KBIRD on January 27, 2011 at 10:50 PM
Hey, if we’re gonna sell Mubarik down the river, let’s at least lead him to believe we’ll take care of him if he can crush the Brotherhood before he goes. Hell, I’d rent my basement apartment to him for cheap if he could pull that off.
Big John on January 27, 2011 at 11:29 PM
Yes, Anwar became a pleasant boot lick after he had his as$ handed to him by Israel in ’73. And more so when he went for the billions in peace payola. Good times.
BL@KBIRD on January 27, 2011 at 11:29 PM
I really don’t understand, Joey was chosen for his international understanding, remember the “gravitas” thing? He is an utter and complete failure as a VP in a sunken shallow presidency.
hip shot on January 28, 2011 at 6:45 AM
I would not refer to Biden as an idiot either. Not if he was listening.
percysunshine on January 28, 2011 at 7:59 AM
And in another press conference he does not even know the gender of a fellow Senator he claims to know so well. Asking him to stand and finds him is a her.
I am sure glad Sen. Inouye (Mr.) is third in command.
MSGTAS on January 28, 2011 at 8:21 AM
Am I missing something? Wouldn’t we rather prop up the rather tame Mubarak than have him fall and see a new islamic state rise?
TheBlueSite on January 28, 2011 at 9:31 AM
Pff, you right wingers are some people to talk. Mubarak won his last democratic election by over 95%, and here we have Bush slowly instituting a dictatorship in our own country!
A) No, if the cost is pretending among ourselves that a tyrant is a democrat. B) There’s no certainty an Islamic would happen. Though you’re right, with Obama’s academic aversion to “colonialist” interference, it probably would. C) Nevertheless, Mubarak’s regime has become indistinguishable from an Islamic Republic as a practical matter. Repression, poverty, and support for the intifida are the regime’s primary attributes.
HitNRun on January 28, 2011 at 9:40 AM
Of course not….and with your brilliant, sharp mind…you don’t wake up 20 times a night to tee tee, and forget where the bathroom is….right?
*sigh*
Just more evidence, Dems don’t like democracy either, and are systematically working to destroy it in this country.
capejasmine on January 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM
That’s just ridiculous.
slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Biden has no competence in foreign affairs. far below that of Palin. Or his clown associate, Obama. Neither has a clue. and all dems know this. That is one of the reasons that we know dems are evil.
proconstitution on January 28, 2011 at 10:13 PM