Video: One Gosnell victim speaks

posted at 12:00 pm on January 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

CNN interviews LaToya Ransome, one of the victims of Kermit Gosnell, who faces eight counts of murder and other charges for his gruesome abortion practice in Philadelphia. Ransome, clearly reluctant to be on camera, relates how Gosnell’s work ended up making her so ill that she had to have open-heart surgery and disabled her. Ransome says that the death penalty is too easy for him and wants him to get life in prison instead:

CNN’s Martin Savidge introduces the segment rather oddly, saying that Gosnell is accused of “destroying viable fetuses.” Certainly Gosnell faces charges of performing illegal third-trimester abortions, but he faces murder charges for killing babies, not “viable fetuses.”  The babies Gosnell murdered survived to birth, which means they no longer were “fetuses” at all.  They were, both legally and morally, live infants requiring care.  Instead, Gosnell and his staff stabbed them with scissors or cut their throats to kill them.

Other victims are also speaking out:

In one 1999 case, prosecutors said, 20-year-old Marie Smith was sent home after a Gosnell abortion unaware that he had been unable to remove the entire fetus from her uterus. Days later, vomiting and with a swollen abdomen and severe infection, Smith was taken to a hospital, where she was rushed into surgery.

Her mother, Johnnie Mae Smith, said she was shocked at the “nasty and dirty, filthy” conditions in the clinic. When her daughter took ill days later, she called Gosnell.

“I said, ‘What did you do to my daughter? … My daughter’s about to die,’ Smith said. “He said, ‘Take her to the hospital.’”

Gosnell turned up at the hospital with his checkbook, she said, aiming to settle immediately. Instead, she chased him away, vowing to sue. Later, her daughter got $3,000, after lawyer fees, from a $5,000 settlement.

It looks like one early consequence is that Gosnell has to find a new lawyer:

Defense lawyer William J. Brennan, who represented Gosnell during the investigation, said Gosnell “feels he has provided a general care medical facility in a fairly impoverished area for four decades.”

“That’s his belief,” Brennan said, “and he’s entitled to it.”

Gosnell told the magistrate he’s looking to retain another lawyer, and Brennan confirmed he’s not representing Gosnell anymore.

“I wish him well, but I am not taking this case,” Brennan said. “The doctor and I have had our run.”

Kevin McCullough argues today that the widespread revulsion created by the Gosnell case should cause people to take a much closer look at the abortion industry:

He was a monster. He was out of control. He deserves justice to the fullest measure–even if that were to mean the state took his life as a result.

It was as I was reading the details of the procedures he seemed to prefer to perform that I was suddenly struck by an overwhelming question that has not yet gone from my mind.

Why are we so outraged now?

The truth is, the procedure Gosnell preferred is not new. Third term, especially “late term,” abortions are performed the same way in overwhelming numbers.

Commonly referred to as “partial birth abortions” the procedure begins the same was as the “Gosnell abortion.” Inducing labor and beginning the delivery of the child is where most of the children are lost in both procedures. As many as 75% of the children lose their lives in the process of early induced labor. Leaving roughly 25% of the children involved to have their lives terminated through an additional step.

In partial birth abortion, the child is delivered to within two inches of being free of the birth canal. In the “Gosnell” he delivered the child completely.

But from that point on, little difference between the procedures existed.

Be sure to read it all.

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One of the most astute observations made by President Bush was, “The soft bigotry of low expectation.” It’s the kind of simple sentence that takes time to fully comprehend it’s full meaning because of it’s broad implications.

This case strikes me as the modern liberal form racism takes. A black doctor serving black patients in a black neighbor simply won’t be held accountable becuase of the soft bigotry of low expectations and/or the fear of being labeled a racist for upholding the law/standards in a black community. Add to it the scared liberal right of abortion on demand and it’s hard for me to be too surprised this abomination was allowed to continue unchecked by the almighty government.

Hey, maybe I’m wrong but would this have been allowed in a white neighborhood with a white doctor?

TheBigOldDog on January 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM

And on this anniversary, I hope that we will recommit ourselves more broadly to ensuring that our daughters have the same rights, the same freedoms, and the same opportunities as our sons to fulfill their dreams.

Unless those daughters and sons have not been born or are within a short while after birth, then he thinks it is okay to kill them.

txmomof6 on January 23, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Hey, maybe I’m wrong but would this have been allowed in a white neighborhood with a white doctor?

I actually agree with you to a point, but abortion is such a sacred cow that liberals wouldn’t regulate any provider. Tiller was just as bad, and killed just as many women. It didn’t matter. Dems protected him.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM

La Toya Ransome Barely Survived The Murder Of Her Own Baby.

FIFY.

The quintessential journalistic inquiry: “How did it make you feeeeeel?”

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 1:56 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Yep. I know what you mean, OC.

I wish every pro-choicer was forced to read it.

IrishEi on January 23, 2011 at 1:58 PM

The quintessential journalistic inquiry: “How did it make you feeeeeel?”

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 1:56 PM

That’s when I had to turn it off. I would have had to ask “How did it feel to kill your baby?”.

VegasRick on January 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Common Sense on January 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Thank you for saying that, I agree. Also, these girls are taught from a young age that sex is good, babies will ruin their lives, and abortion is just birth control.

mbs on January 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Here’s a sobering thought. If they can get Americans to accept the wholesale slaughter of the the most innocent of human beings, how hard do you think it would be for them to convince Americans that we’re better off without people like you?

The cheapening of human life is a two-edged sword without a handle. There is no way to grip it safely.

Immolate on January 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Anyone who hasn’t already read the Grand Jury Report really, really should. It will blow you away.

IrishEi on January 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Spent all evening last night reading this – Kudos to Ed for providing the link – I am going to begin volunteering @ a crisis pregnancy center asap! AS an RN my views have changed dramatically from pro-choice as a 20 something – all the old arguments- it’s every woman’s right to control her body, etc. to now completely pro-life – with remarkably the same argument – IT IS a woman’s right to control her own body & that begins with how you manage your own reproductive system by choosing when/where & how responsibly to share that system – we do have a choice & it starts with US becoming truly empowered by each other to fully assume responsibility for those choices before we act without thought as to the unintended consequences of our behavior – ANY female who has reached the age of reason can be educated to exercise that responsibility but our society needs to change substantially – hopefully more stories of this nature will provide incentive for those on the fence to realize if we are to change others we must first change ourselves and demand the oversexualization of women cease & desist – was appalled to learn of the Susan B Komen connection to Planned Parenthood – no more money for them!
This can become a catalyst for all women to band together & demand better from each other for each other regardless of socioeconomic/ethnic background!!!!!

huskerdiva on January 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

“He simply performed very non-early post-utero terminations of viable tissue masses. Why so serious?”

– AnninCA

OhioCoastie on January 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM

huskerdiva on January 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM

God Bless you darlin’ One of the things I love most about you is you always put your money where your mouth is.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I actually agree with you to a point, but abortion is such a sacred cow that liberals wouldn’t regulate any provider. Tiller was just as bad, and killed just as many women. It didn’t matter. Dems protected him.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Good point. But no oversight at all like this? Willfully dismissing complaints by the patients themselves? This is like the perfect liberal sacred cow storm and so it’s not hard to see how and why it was allowed to happen. That’s why the media will tip-toe around it. They know the climate/culture was created by them and their political partners and that last thing they are going to do is to start publicly asking how and why.

TheBigOldDog on January 23, 2011 at 2:07 PM

There was a great thread last night re: Idaho and six other states going about the process of nullifying obamacare. 26 states are suing the Feds over obamacare. If we put the same TP effort into making sure only pro-life pols get elected for the sole purpose of ending abortion; if 26 states would sue the Fed over Roe v Wade; if we start referendums to get 3/5 of our states to pass a Human Life Amendment; if states would nullify Roe v Wade as Vermont nullified the Fugitive Slave Act. If, if, if.

No more if’s but when, please. We can’t let the left intimidate us anymore and make us think the right to life is only for fringe kooks and not to be discussed. Many everyday conservatives have been silenced this way. Please, no more. Make the unborn, not our pocketbooks our #1 priority. If we do, the power of God will be with us and the elimination of the theives from the WH on down will follow as surely as day follows night.

Glosnell’s abortion mill is really a metaphor for the entire nation under abortion. All of the sick, twisted, darkness that America has hidden under a falsely claimed “Constitutional right” (such a lie!) can be seen in microcosm in Glosnell’s house of horrors. But pull back and look at the big picture: America is a house of horrors, because we have allowed Roe v Wade to stalk and murder 50 million in ways as gruesome as Glosnell has, and even more so.

Glosnell is only the tip of the thrty-eight year old iceburg. He is a symptom, not a cause. The body count has reached 50 million with no end in sight, and rapid escalation under obama and his monstrous “fundamental transformation” can be expected under obamacare and will be delivered, DOA.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 2:09 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Thanks – it’s all about walkin’ yer talk! That was undoubtedly the most disturbing piece of information I have EVER read!!!

huskerdiva on January 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Hey, check out ABCNews. They’ve got the story about a victim who got a VD from this jerk. But the video is about a “pro-life” abortion mill bomber.
Way to keep the narrative going ABC!

Iblis on January 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM

It was a weird way for Savidge to start the interview, but overall I’m impressed by his ability to get the story from the woman who had a bit of a difficult time expressing himself.

He was also very good on the breaking Giffords story, trying to keep perspective while reporters like Dana Bash and Jessica Yellin tried to point fingers at anti-Obamacare people.

MayBee on January 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Good point. But no oversight at all like this? Willfully dismissing complaints by the patients themselves?

Sadly, yes. The abortion business is the wild-wild west. http://realchoice.blogspot.com is a great site that details abortion related deaths. It’s sickening.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM

txmomof6 on January 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM

“The People That in Darkness Sat”
by John Morison, 1749-1798
Text From:
THE LUTHERAN HYMNAL
(St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1941)

1. The people that in darkness sat
A glorious light have seen;
The light has shined on them who long
In shades of death have been.

2. To hail Thee, Sun of Righteousness,
The gathering nations come;
They joy as when the reapers bear
Their harvest treasures home.

3. For Thou their burden dost remove
And break the tyrant’s rod
As in the day when Midian fell
Before the sword of God.

4. To us a Child of hope is born,
To us a Son is given,
And on His shoulder ever rests
All power in earth and heaven.

5. His name shall be the Prince of Peace,
The Everlasting Lord,
The Wonderful, the Counselor.
The God by all adored.

6. His righteous government and power
Shall over all extend;
On judgment and on justice based,
His reign shall have no end.

7. Lord Jesus, reign in us, we pray,
And make us Thine alone,
Who with the Father ever art
And Holy Spirit, one.

Notes:
Hymn #106 from _The Lutheran Hymnal_
Text: Is. 9:2
Author: John Morison, 1770, alt.
Composer: Nikolaus Herman, 1554
Tune: “Lobt Gott, ihr Christen”

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Every liberal in the city of Philadelphia ought to be taken by the scruff of the neck and forced to look at this butchery with their own two eyes. For their own sanity they need to look at it, just like the ordinary upright citizens of all those towns in Germany were forced to look with their own eyes at the piles of corpses in places like Dachau and Bergen-Belson.
At some point, enough people in that town knew what was happening right next door, but they all just walked by and looked the other way. Somehow, someone needs to look them in the eye and demand an answer to the terrible question, “For the love of God, how can you allow another human being to be treated like this?”

Lew on January 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM

If he was charging women $400 for a procedure and made more than 1.8million in a year, that’s a lot of avoided pregnancies.

tomas on January 23, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Leave it to the left to think it is “avoided pregnancies” vs. killed babies.

wi farmgirl on January 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Even the conservative media and blogs here in the U.S. outside of Jawa and Atlas, and LibertarianRepublican, are ignoring the story. Is the conservative movement being infiltrated by Islamic-sympathizers now?

ericdondero on January 23, 2011 at 1:20 PM

An example of the above: Chris Christie is a Ground Zero Mosque sympathizer and is appointing a terrorist-tainted muzzie to a judicial position. (See Atlas Shrugs)
He has been a conservative darling for one thing only and that’s for getting tougher on the teachers’ union in NJ.
That one little party piece does not a conservative make, imo. He’s also a gun grabber and not particularly pro-life.
RINO to worse on many issues, if you drill down.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Women Claim Abortions Left Them Sterile

FNC has an AP story up.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 2:37 PM

CNN’s Martin Savidge introduces the segment rather oddly, saying that Gosnell is accused of “destroying viable fetuses.” Certainly Gosnell faces charges of performing illegal third-trimester abortions, but he faces murder charges for killing babies, not “viable fetuses.”

The spin is unbelievable, it’s called killing live babies, not fetuses. How dumb do they think we are. They can parse this 6 ways to Sunday but it is what it is, and they own it.

wi farmgirl on January 23, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Words do indeed mean things. “Fetus” has been used as a dehumanizing tactic. And it has worked. If one calls an unborn child a “fetus”, presto, it’s just an unidentifiable lump. Just another dirty little leftist victory. We have allowed them to hijack the Latin word “fetus”, invented by doctors long ago to describe a stage of human development, a word that is really quite endearing; it means “young one”
or “little one” and literally use it as a legal foundation for killing the “little one”. The left never sleeps. I hope we are now wide awake.

p.s. Roe v Wade legalized killing unborn children thoughout the U.S. There is a lesser known companion decision to Roe, called Doe v Bolton. Doe legalized killing unborn children throughout the U.S. for the entire nine months of pregnancy. Glosnell was not performing illegal late term abortions, because no state can restrict the monstrous provisions of Roe or Doe.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM

At some point, enough people in that town knew what was happening right next door, but they all just walked by and looked the other way.
Lew on January 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM

GOOD,

which made its world premiere at this year’s Toronto International Film Festival, stars Viggo Mortensen in an extraordinary change-of-pace role as he plays John Halder, a good, decent individual with family problems. A German literature professor in the 1930s, Halder explores his personal circumstances in a novel advocating compassionate euthanasia. When the book is unexpectedly enlisted by powerful political figures in support of government propaganda, Halder finds his career rising in an optimistic current of nationalism and prosperity. Yet with Halder’s change in fortune, his seemingly inconsequential decisions potentially jeopardize the people in his life with devastating effects.

This movie was excellent in the depiction of how false compassion turns into demonic destruction.

fourdeucer on January 23, 2011 at 2:46 PM

CNN’s Martin Savidge introduces the segment rather oddly, saying that Gosnell is accused of “destroying viable fetuses.”

Rather oddly my ass. He lied, he knew the difference and he intentionally lied.

conservnut on January 23, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Or this:

When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

Understanding that John the Baptist was aware of the presence of Jesus even in the womb, there’s no mistake as to what God has told us about where life begins.

I get secular progressives that are abortion supporters. But any Christian who is pro-abortion just floors me considering what is written. There are conservative seculars I know that are as passionate or more on pro-life issues than a few Christians I know. They’re certainly not the norm, but how ironic.

hawkdriver on January 23, 2011 at 10:18 AM

I thought hawk’s post from yeaterday’s thread was worth quoting over in this thread.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 2:51 PM

What I don’t understand is why some of these women aren’t being charged as well. Seems to me, that failing to report a murder, or seeking abortion after the legally specified limits… are crimes.

Murf76 on January 23, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Murf76 on January 23, 2011 at 2:53 PM

I agree but don’t hold your breath…..

conservnut on January 23, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Murf76, wome are never charged in relation to abortion. Before Roe the doctor was always the one who faced jailtime. The logic goes that it is better to bring down the one killing many and use the one who killed few against him as an additional victim.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM

It’s worse than that. The new narrative is that it’s all the fault of stupid, Bible-toting, Pro-Lifers. From an AP report today:

She said she first went to Planned Parenthood in downtown Philadelphia but was frightened away by protesters.

“The picketers out there, they just scared me half to death,” Johnson, now 30, recalled this week.

Someone sent her to Gosnell’s West Philadelphia clinic, at the Women’s Medical Society, saying anti-abortion protesters wouldn’t be a problem there.

IrishEi on January 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Maybe we need to ask her this … does she wish there had been some pro-life protesters outside of Gosnell’s clinic?

MeatHeadinCA on January 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM

In other news, he killed thousands of babies.

AbaddonsReign on January 23, 2011 at 3:06 PM

how many pro-lifers donate to Susan B Komen Breast Cancer, not knowing that they turn around & give big bucks to Planned Parenthood?

itsnotaboutme on January 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

No way!? I sure didn’t know that.

wi farmgirl on January 23, 2011 at 3:29 PM

There are a few very specific circumstances in which an abortion must be performed to save the life of the mother: ectopic pregnancy and certain auto-immune or heart diseases. These abortions are performed as soon as possible in the pregnancy, and would never happen after viability.

Hi Vera! You are a dynamo for the little ones! May I add to the above, with all due respect, please?

Some may have heard of Dr. Bernard Nathanson, OBGyn, the “father” of abortion in the U.S. and now an extremely penitent man and Catholic convert. Dr. Nathanson has written on this subject. Higher risk pregnancies, when the above conditions are involved (save ectopic) can be medically managed until viability, (which has become earlier and earlier in the pregnancy due to advancing technological knowledge). Our advances in medicine allow us to manage these conditions and then to deliver as soon as is advisable. While a condition may be treated in a pregnant woman, direct abortion itself does not qualify as a treatment or therapy, and also is an archaic procedure involving substantial risk of infection, uterine perforation, sterility, blood clotting, etc. Even an ectopic pregnancy (baby not descended to the uterus but developing in the fallopian tube) is treated by removing the tube entirely, even though sadly, the young life within the tube cannot be saved. But the young life is never directly attacked. IOW, medical conditions in the pregnant mother may be treated, and the treatment may result in harm to the child, but all due care is taken so that the treatment given is absoultely necessary and that the child be shielded to the greatest extent possible until such time as an early delivery may be made. Eclampsia is another condition where the child is delivered asap, although elcampsia usually occurs in the latter stages of pregnancy. Also, children who may have serious conditions in utero, and may not live past a few hours after delivery, should not be aborted. A friend of mine had this situation. She knew her baby would die just a few hours after a c-Section. She knew this just a few months into her pregnancy. Yet, she delivered, had the baby baptised, and mothered the child until the baby went home to God a few hours later. And because my friend did this, strength and peace are her reward. She knew her baby would die, but she also knew abortion would kill her child and that with abortion, she would be responsible for a cruel and brutal death. When her baby did die, he died in her arms.

There is also the beautiful story of St. Gianna Beretta Molla, who died of cancer, in Italy, in 1962. St. Gianna, herself a physician, refused treatment in order to deliver a healthy baby. Catholic teaching did not require her to refuse treatment, because the treatment was for the cancer, not a direct attack upon her unborn. However, Gianna chose an heroic path and Pope John Paul II canonized her while her entire family, including her husband, the child she sacrificed her life for and their other three children, were there to see their mother publically declared a Saint.
If anyone is interested they can read more about St. Gianna at http://www.saintgianna.org/stgiannalife.htm

P.S. Thank you for all you do! Vera. You’re a warrior. (Can I say that, is it civil? Can you believe obama supports this gosnell crap and has the nerve to lecture about civility! Through the looking glass.)

If you don’t mind, may I add to your list of pro-life sites?
Priests for Life at http://www.priestsforlife.org/ and for post-abortion women and men try Project Rachel at http://www.hopeafterabortion.com/whatispr.html or Rachel’s Vineyard (linked at Priests for Life website)

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Since this thing broke, I’ve wondered why Gosnell didn’t cash in his chips and abscond while the grand jury was deliberating. It took eight months. Surely, he knew what was coming.

a capella on January 23, 2011 at 1:37 PM

I’d say there are at least two reasons.

1. They never cracked down on him to this point despite numerous complaints over the course of about 12+ years, meaning he either had protection from someone, such as the PA Dept of Health, or believed they’d never shut him down.

2. He didn’t think most of what he was doing was wrong. When he was arraigned, he was truly confused by getting eight charges of murder instead of just one for the adult patient who died. The judge had to explain to him that he was being charged with killing the 7 babies who had been born before he killed them.

teke184 on January 23, 2011 at 3:43 PM

how many pro-lifers donate to Susan B Komen Breast Cancer, not knowing that they turn around & give big bucks to Planned Parenthood?

itsnotaboutme on January 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

No way!? I sure didn’t know that.

wi farmgirl on January 23, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Way.

Every woman in America needs to be apprised of the horrors committed in her name over the last 40 years. The ugly face of “feminism” is being revealed daily.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 3:44 PM

In my younger days I didn’t really care about abortion and whether it was legal or not.

But after several years of contemplation and this case specifically I’m definitely in the Pro Life / Anti Abortion club.

This “doctor” should have his throat slit.

BowHuntingTexas on January 23, 2011 at 3:52 PM

It was a weird way for Savidge to start the interview, but overall I’m impressed by his ability to get the story from the woman who had a bit of a difficult time expressing himself.

He was also very good on the breaking Giffords story, trying to keep perspective while reporters like Dana Bash and Jessica Yellin tried to point fingers at anti-Obamacare people.

MayBee on January 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM

So the lying lies have begun already at ABC (not referrring to the above, MayBee). What coverage the msm does give this horror will be twisted to actually shill for obamacare and more abortion. It will be announced that to prevent future occurances of such disregard for women, that abortion must be federally paid for and controlled, of course through obamacare. Wait for it. Oh, and they’ll blame conservatives, the TP and pro-life Americans. Who really all overlap, so blame one at any given time and it’ a three-fer.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 3:55 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Thanks for bringing the Sunday morning choir over to HA, OC.
One of the reasons we love ya.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM

This.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Since this thing broke, I’ve wondered why Gosnell didn’t cash in his chips and abscond while the grand jury was deliberating. It took eight months. Surely, he knew what was coming.

a capella on January 23, 2011 at 1:37 PM

Why? Because he thinks he can get off, and he very well might. He will have his choice of great liberal defense lawyers. Their story to the jury is that “only two inches separates this from a legal partial birth abortion.” The term-times of the babies will be hard to prove with certainty. A few hard-core feminazis in the jury and he gets off.

Best chance for a conviction is for criminal negligence re the lady that died.

slickwillie2001 on January 23, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Thank you for the kind words, Tigerlily. I’ve really appreciated your input over the past few days. You’re entirely right, the goal of any procedure should always be to save the mother’s life and not to kill the child.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 4:13 PM

how many pro-lifers donate to Susan B Komen Breast Cancer, not knowing that they turn around & give big bucks to Planned Parenthood?

itsnotaboutme on January 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

No way!? I sure didn’t know that.

wi farmgirl on January 23, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Way.

Every woman in America needs to be apprised of the horrors committed in her name over the last 40 years. The ugly face of “feminism” is being revealed daily.
warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Almost forgot. In an ironic twist, and another bonus in women’s respect and rights, abortion and breast cancer have been linked in 10 of 11 studies. The increase in cancer of those who abort before bringing another pregnancy to term is alarming, and those who abort with a history of breast cancer in the family have their chances of getting it go through the roof. It’s estimated that abortion has caused breast cancer deaths in 300,000 women:
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/17/abortion-has-caused-300k-breast-cancer-deaths-since-roe/

The abortion culture, and imo, disrespect for women, is so strong in this nation, that not only is this news, as all truth about abortion, completely censored, but a foundation (Susan B. Komen) that is dedicated to eradicating breast cancer actually is giving money to the people (PP) who make it possible through abortion that more women will die of breast cancer. More on the abortion-breast cancer link:
http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/The_Link.htm

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Never forget that this is potentially the Perfect Storm to discredit Leftism for good.

The confluence of Women As Victims, Blacks Always Suffer The Most, and Abortion As Sacrament in this instance perfectly defines The Liberal Dilemma™. This is the pluperfect example of that term so beloved of childish Lefties, “Hypocrisy!!!”

It is incumbent upon every moral person to immerse himself or herself in the nauseating details of that Grand Jury report and never ever fail to throw it in the face of any monster having the temerity to justify abortion in your presence.

Never forget. Ever.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Gosnell needs to be put down like the dog he is. He is beyond a monster.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Even that is too easy but he is a monster as you said. That scum like this have the title “doctor” is just insane.

SHALL DO NO HARM…

Yakko77 on January 23, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Roe v Wade legalized killing unborn children thoughout the U.S. There is a lesser known companion decision to Roe, called Doe v Bolton. Doe legalized killing unborn children throughout the U.S. for the entire nine months of pregnancy. Glosnell was not performing illegal late term abortions, because no state can restrict the monstrous provisions of Roe or Doe.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Until you enlightened us about this Doe v Bolton I had no idea they could do those late term in all states. Thank you again for the education. People have no idea of what they have been doing for 30+ years. What darkness.

wi farmgirl on January 23, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Thanks for bringing the Sunday morning choir over to HA, OC.
One of the reasons we love ya.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM

MORISON, John (1749-1798), was born in Aberdeen and studied at the university (Kings College) there. In 1780 he was installed as parish minister at Canisbay Caithness, Scotland. He died at Canisbay, June 12,1798. His work in hymnody was done in connection with the revision of the Scottish Translations and Paraphrases of 1745, as he was appointed a member of the revision committee in 1775. [Handbook to the Lutheran Hymnal]

The people that in darkness sat

This hymn is by John Morison, dated 1770. It was first published in the Draft Scottish Translations and Paraphrases, 1781, where the opening line reads: “The race that long in darkness pined.” In the Evangelical Lutheran Hymn-Book a portion of this hymn was used (No. 155), beginning with Stanza 4 above. Our text is as altered for Hymns Ancient and Modern, 1861, by the editors of that volume. [Handbook to The Lutheran Hymnal]
http://www.blc.edu/comm/gargy/gargy1/ELHHB.html

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Thank you for the kind words, Tigerlily. I’ve really appreciated your input over the past few days. You’re entirely right, the goal of any procedure should always be to save the mother’s life and not to kill the child.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 4:13 PM

It’s going to be to the ramparts or the foxholes very soon now, I think. Either way, it’s an honor to be in the battle with you.*

*All terms of above post are purely metaphorical and not to be construed, intepreted or hijacked by the Left in order to be labeled violent or uncivil. Void where prohibited.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Never forget that this is potentially the Perfect Storm to discredit Leftism for good.

The confluence of Women As Victims, Blacks Always Suffer The Most, and Abortion As Sacrament in this instance perfectly defines The Liberal Dilemma™. This is the pluperfect example of that term so beloved of childish Lefties, “Hypocrisy!!!”

It is incumbent upon every moral person to immerse himself or herself in the nauseating details of that Grand Jury report and never ever fail to throw it in the face of any monster having the temerity to justify abortion in your presence.

Never forget. Ever.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM

+1000

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:25 PM

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Of course you’re right – it is in fact disrespect for women to its very core. The unspeakable (and unspoken) fact is that women have been taught to disrespect themselves, by their own, for so long.

I’m willing to accept the fact that there are things in women’s lives that men can’t understand, even though I maintain that having been raised by broken women I understand the issues better than most women I’ve met. I would submit, however, that few women indeed can have any idea of the profound sadness and disillusionment experienced by men over the last few decades as they’ve watched the almost wholesale collusion of American women in the assassination of their own femininity.

You and Vera are beacons of hope to a man my age. God bless you both.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:25 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Let it never be said that HotAirians, (with a few notable exceptions), don’t know their stuff! :)

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:27 PM

In perusing the discussions generated by this awful story, I’m convinced that sometimes it is helpful to preach to the choir. I’m proud to sit in the audience with some very knowledgeable ladies, Vera, tigerlily, and others who have contributed. I’ve learned a lot, and sacrificed peace of mind, sleep, and some tears along the way. It’s the worst story I’ve ever read, and I’m continuing to be shocked at how little it’s being reported. It’s a multi-state racket: referrals from everywhere. How is this not top national news???

hoosiermama on January 23, 2011 at 4:29 PM

How is this not top national news???

Evil, pure and simple. I’m convinced that true evil is behind the push for abortion in our society. I don’t think that most liberals even understand why they push for it so hard.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 4:34 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Also,

For behold, darkness shall cover the Earth,
And gross darkness the people;
But the Lord shall arise upon thee,
And his glory shall be seen upon thee.
And the Gentiles shall come to they light,
And kings to the brightness of thy rising.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light.
And they that dwell in the land of the shadows of death,
Upon them hath the light shined.

Aria for Bass (that’d be me,) from The Messiah, G.F. Handel, 1741.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Of course you’re right – it is in fact disrespect for women to its very core. The unspeakable (and unspoken) fact is that women have been taught to disrespect themselves, by their own, for so long.

I’m willing to accept the fact that there are things in women’s lives that men can’t understand, even though I maintain that having been raised by broken women I understand the issues better than most women I’ve met. I would submit, however, that few women indeed can have any idea of the profound sadness and disillusionment experienced by men over the last few decades as they’ve watched the almost wholesale collusion of American women in the assassination of their own femininity.

You and Vera are beacons of hope to a man my age. God bless you both.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:25 PM

You make a great point. We have allowed some loud, wicked women, like Margaret Sanger, those in NARAL, NOW and Michelle obama, and beta male enforcers, like barak obama, to downgrade women to little more than animals, convinced to choke down chemicals to endanger their health and their lives by altering/destroying a delicate endocrine system, the reproductive system, every bit as complex and fragile as any other system in our bodies, i.e, cardiovascular system, digestive system or neurological system.

Incredibly, the Center for Disease Control has just “upgraded” the birth control pill to a Class A carcinogen. This is the highest level of cancer causing that can be present in something. But, it’s ok for women to keep on shoveling it down, and of course the msm is silent.

We have allowed them to use us, discard us and make sure that we abort any evidence of the use, again endangering our health and our lives.

We allow the continued manipulation of women to their physical, emotional and spiritual detriment by censoring any truth of the above dangers of being treated like cattle who need herding, sterilizing and birth control in order to best serve the needs of the rancher/owners and their plans.

Not only is the information censored that the pill gives women cancer, strokes, heart attacks, high blood pressure, etc., but the abortion and breast cancer link is censored as well. And if any such news comes to light even briefly, it is shouted down as a lie.

Women have allowed this and only women can end this. Women, when acting in their proper role in dignity and goodness, will be the ones to end this depraved slide into the pit.

Pope John Paul II writes of “the feminine genius” in his powerful apostolic letter, “MULIERIS DIGNITATEM” (on the Dignity of Women)

It is an incredible read and easily understood. What depth of understanding! Here is a direct link:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_15081988_mulieris-dignitatem_en.html

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:50 PM

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 4:27 PM

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM

To think that I kvetched and moaned to my sainted parents about being sent to Lutheran Christian Day School instead of public school with my friends. Mom always insisted I would thank them some day.
I did, over and over.
Even again to mom on her deathbed.

Let Children Hear the Mighty Deeds
By: Isaac Watts

Let children hear the mighty deeds
Which God performed of old,
Which in our younger days we saw,
And which our fathers told.

So make to them his glories known,
His works of power and grace;
And we’ll convey his wonders down
Through every rising race.

Our lips shall tell them to our sons,
And they again to theirs
That generations yet unborn
May teach them to their heirs.

Oh, teach them with all diligence
The truths of god’s own Word,
To place in him their confidence,
To fear and trust their Lord.

To learn that in our God alone
Their hope securely stands,
That they may never doubt his love
But walk in his commands.

Hymn # 472
Lutheran Worship
Author: Johann Cruger
Tune: Nun Danket All
1st Published in: 1719

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 4:55 PM

I have a hard time understanding why pro-choicers should be upset here. I have a hard time seeing the difference except for his disregard for the lives of the women he treated.

Esthier on January 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Also,

For behold, darkness shall cover the Earth,
And gross darkness the people;
But the Lord shall arise upon thee,
And his glory shall be seen upon thee.
And the Gentiles shall come to they light,
And kings to the brightness of thy rising.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light.
And they that dwell in the land of the shadows of death,
Upon them hath the light shined.

Aria for Bass (that’d be me,) from The Messiah, G.F. Handel, 1741.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I’m not nearly the aficianado that you guys are, but the best arrangement of the Messiah that I have ever heard was recorded by St. Martin in the Fields, conducted by Sir Neville Marriner, in Dublin, Ireland, on the 250th anniversary of Handel’s first public perfomance of the Messiah, which happened to be in Dublin. There is entire performance available on CD, or a CD with the “best of” on it that I loved, and lost. You fellas have given me the incentive to get the replacement.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM

The Trolls are on the Headline Thread.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

The Trolls are on the Headline Thread.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, buddy.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

You are welcome, my friend.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Truly touching. Bless your parents.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 5:15 PM

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM

May I also recommend the scholarly recording by Philharmonia Baroque, conducted by Nicholas McGegan, available on Harmonia Mundi France. It’s hair-raising, and eliminates all doubt about divine intervention.

Philharmonia are early music specialists from the San Francisco Bay Area with whom I was honored to work in the ’90s. Their recordings (as well as those of The American Bach Soloists) define what the fuss is all about, in my opinion.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM

hoosiermama on January 23, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Yes, pure evil and evil so entrenched throughout our nation that have only seen the barest outlines and we’re reeling.

The apostles asked Jesus how they could drive certain very hard to remove demons out (who here doesn’t think, besides the usual suspects, that abortion is a practice authored by demons?). Jesus answered, “This kind can only be driven out through prayer and fasting.”

We should organize this virally, nationally and permanently, until we have driven abortion, and all it’s demonic enforcers like obama out of the nation.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Meanwhile President Born Alive Infant Protection Act…..celebrates the Roe v Wade decision that has helped butcher 45 MILLION Americans……

……..nothing to see here America!

PappyD61 on January 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Thank you. I’ll check it out.

tigerlily on January 23, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Ransome says that the death penalty is too easy for him and wants him to get life in prison instead

Yea I’m sure hes counting on that too.

jawkneemusic on January 23, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Meanwhile President Born Alive Infant Protection Act…..celebrates the Roe v Wade decision that has helped butcher 45 MILLION Americans……

……..nothing to see here America!

PappyD61 on January 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

How about “President Take-the-Newborns-Out-With-the-Dirty-Laundry?”

slickwillie2001 on January 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Ransome says that the death penalty is too easy for him and wants him to get life in prison instead

Yea I’m sure hes counting on that too.

jawkneemusic on January 23, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Why is it that most African Americans libs generally oppose Capital Punishment?

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I have a hard time understanding why pro-choicers should be upset here. I have a hard time seeing the difference except for his disregard for the lives of the women he treated.

Esthier on January 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Does anyone remember the early post Roe v. Wade days? There were only two positions, pro-life and pro-abortion. Pro-choice came later, and it never was a moderate third way, it was just a re-branding. There never was a “choice” in choice, just better optics.

Sweaty Deacon on January 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Does anyone remember the early post Roe v. Wade days? There were only two positions, pro-life and pro-abortion.
Sweaty Deacon on January 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Yep. Most of us ‘boomers remember those days.
We allowed them to frame the message.
Lord have mercy!

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Does anyone remember the early post Roe v. Wade days? There were only two positions, pro-life and pro-abortion.
Sweaty Deacon on January 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Yep. Most of us ‘boomers remember those days.
We allowed them to frame the message.
Lord have mercy!

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:02 PM

It’s easy to set the framing when you own the media.

slickwillie2001 on January 23, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Where are the pro-choice Trolls? C’mon and argue constitutionality on this thread. Defend this Americanized Josef Mengele.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Kyrie Elieson!

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Where are the pro-choice Trolls? C’mon and argue constitutionality on this thread. Defend this Americanized Josef Mengele.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I invited them down, politely, my friend. Their silence is deafening.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:09 PM

I saw that. Even our latest self-annointed intellectual Troll refused the challenge.

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM

kingsjester on January 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Because they are scared sh!tless of the nightmarish and ghoulish horrors of Dr. Mengele Gosnell in these threads.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Does anyone remember the early post Roe v. Wade days? There were only two positions, pro-life and pro-abortion. Pro-choice came later, and it never was a moderate third way, it was just a re-branding. There never was a “choice” in choice, just better optics.

Sweaty Deacon on January 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I wasn’t around for them, but your account sounds accurate. Very few pro-choicers are actually OK with women refusing to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

Esthier on January 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Sweaty Deacon is not only accurate, but spot-on. It was *us* against *them* in those days. We just allowed them to soften the rhetoric.
Shame on *us*.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:22 PM

If there is any cosmic justice our country is in for a tough time. Deservedly.

Mason on January 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Does anyone remember the early post Roe v. Wade days? There were only two positions, pro-life and pro-abortion. Pro-choice came later, and it never was a moderate third way, it was just a re-branding. There never was a “choice” in choice, just better optics.

Sweaty Deacon on January 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I wasn’t around for them, but your account sounds accurate. Very few pro-choicers are actually OK with women refusing to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

Esthier on January 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I was around for them, and it was happening soon after my own daughter was taken from me when her mother left with another guy.

It’s important to remember that Roe v Wade came in the full flush of the “sexual revolution” that was to free us all at last of guilt and responsibility – and during a time when it was assumed that all women were on the pill.

In the next few years I was subjected to more than one abortion by a woman who had assured me that contraception was taken care of. My input into the abortion decision, of course, was not welcome beyond my willingness to support and pay for it. I was of course blamed for it – and it broke my heart all over again, every time.

The brutality visited upon the psyches of American men through this travesty of love and caring has been massive over the last 40 years, and the results are plain to see in the refusal of generations of boys to grow up. What’s in it for them, after all? They’re gonna be blamed whether it’s sunny days or earthquakes, and their only role in the pregnancy process will be that of scapegoat.

This is the great unaddressed tragedy of the latter 20th century. Women have debased themselves, men have been universally blamed, and abortion has exploded exponentially almost as an afterthought.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM

The horror stories involving Gosnell seem to go back a long way. He wasn’t operating in secret. How did George Tiller attract so much attention from anti-abortion activists while Gosnell apparently operated unnoticed?

RightOFLeft on January 23, 2011 at 6:34 PM

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Wow. I can completely subscribe to your post.

RightOFLeft on January 23, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Gosnell’s victims were mostly poor urban people of color.
Tiller the Killer (a self-styled Lutheran) preyed on suburban white women of means.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Addendum:
Tiller was excommunicated from his Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod parish in Kansas for unrepentant sin, and welcomed with open arms into his liberal homosex/abortion loving Evangelical Lutheran Church in America parish where he was cut down.

“Vengeance is Mine sayeth The Lord, I will repay.”

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:52 PM

sayeth

saith

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Death Clinics?

faraway on January 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I hope you don’t claim to be Christian. I am not but I can feel empathy for those who don’t have the advantages that I and my children have.

Common Sense on January 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Why yes I am a Christian. Not sure what that has to do with this. This woman was not ignorant of the fact she was having a baby. She was at an abortion mill, having her baby murdered. She wasn’t minding her own business at a park and Gossnell showed up in a van and kidnapped her and aborted her baby. She sought out a known professional killer of innocence to murder her helpless unborn baby. You will have to forgive me if my sympathies are with the poor helpless child.

What she did was every bit as evil as this doctor. She is not a victim, she doesn’t need my sympathies, She needs the Lord’s grace and mercy. In fact she has already received some of both as have we all.

Kjeil on January 23, 2011 at 7:09 PM

I hope you don’t claim to be Christian. I am not but I can feel empathy for those who don’t have the advantages that I and my children have.

Common Sense on January 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Why yes I am a Christian. Not sure what that has to do with this. This woman was not ignorant of the fact she was having a baby. She was at an abortion mill, having her baby murdered. She wasn’t minding her own business at a park and Gossnell showed up in a van and kidnapped her and aborted her baby. She sought out a known professional killer of innocence to murder her helpless unborn baby. You will have to forgive me if my sympathies are with the poor helpless child.

What she did was every bit as evil as this doctor. She is not a victim, she doesn’t need my sympathies, She needs the Lord’s grace and mercy. In fact she has already received some of both as have we all.

Kjeil on January 23, 2011 at 7:09 PM

AMEN!!!

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 7:17 PM

The exposure of this clinic should change history.

If any television station had the guts to tell the entire truth along with the graphic pictures, the horror of this clinic would change the hearts of so very many.

I am very pro-life but I have never really dealt any where near the possibility in my own life or the other women in my life… my daughters, sisters, mother have all lived in such a way that abortion is far from us.

It’s only been once or twice I’ve even had someone I knew admit to abortion and that was always an aquaintence at school, outside my normal circles.

So aside from feeling strongly I just avoid the talk as so horrible I can’t even deal with the discussions.

I do strangely feel compassion for the would have been mothers. What they have done can’t help but scar their entire lives. It does explain so much of the bitter anger on the left. With something like this on your conscience how do you even get up in the morning? I think they handle it with anger.

But this story and the pictures are so unbearable and the story is at the same time gripping… I keep coming back and getting a new little piece… I don’t know if I can ever read the entire story. It just hurts to contemplate it.

This is going to be a turning point. Because however they try to spin it. There are body parts in a freezer and baby feet in jars. And the nightmare Orwellian terms that are so transparently monstrous.

No matter how many times they say fetus instead of baby. I can see with my own eyes the form of a baby. The visuals must be shown, they will haunt whoever sees them.

This will change things.

petunia on January 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM

This will change things.

petunia on January 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM

From your lips to God’s ear, Madame. And I agree with you.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 7:28 PM

I’ve seen earlier translations of the Hippocratic oath wherein physicians swear or affirm “I will give no deadly medicine, nor will I give to any woman a pessary to induce abortion”.

But the so-called “oath” of the medical profession is just so, so … passe these days. They’ll do whatever the “law” allows to make a buck.

bannedbyhuffpo on January 23, 2011 at 7:29 PM

petunia on January 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Change history we must. Satanic evil must be stopped. Now.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Gosnell’s victims were mostly poor urban people of color.
Tiller the Killer (a self-styled Lutheran) preyed on suburban white women of means.

OmahaConservative on January 23, 2011 at 6:43 PM

We have very different opinions of George Tiller. The point about Gosnell’s victims’ socioeconomic status is well-taken, though. As convenient as it might be to blame the indifference of pro-choice administrations in Pennsylvania, the facts complicate that picture. Gosnell’s reign of terror likely spanned 30 years, and at least three pro-life governors. Mark Schweiker, Bob Casey, and two-term governor Dick Thornburgh.

RightOFLeft on January 23, 2011 at 7:37 PM

I hope you don’t claim to be Christian. I am not but I can feel empathy for those who don’t have the advantages that I and my children have.

Common Sense on January 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

I don’t wish to be rude, but it takes real nerve to lecture someone whose belief system you do not share about what their belief system requires. Misplaced compassion, resulting in lower standards, has led to this moral climate in which we are supposed to pretend that the consequences of the choice to kill one’s child should elicit “empathy.” This woman does not need empathy, she needs self-respect so she does not lie on her back for a man who has not been willing to marry her. She will not get that as long as anyone is willing to pretend she is a victim.

DrMagnolias on January 23, 2011 at 7:37 PM

We have very different opinions of George Tiller.

How can your opinion of Tiller be anything other than “he was a monster”?

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 7:39 PM

How did George Tiller attract so much attention from anti-abortion activists while Gosnell apparently operated unnoticed?

Tiller was flagrant in his disregard for the law. He gave tons of money to pro-abortion politicians and partied with the Governor. He was gleeful and unabashed as he murdered viable children (and at least one woman).

Gosnell mostly stayed to himself.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 7:41 PM

I don’t wish to be rude, but it takes real nerve to lecture someone whose belief system you do not share about what their belief system requires. Misplaced compassion, resulting in lower standards, has led to this moral climate in which we are supposed to pretend that the consequences of the choice to kill one’s child should elicit “empathy.” This woman does not need empathy, she needs self-respect so she does not lie on her back for a man who has not been willing to marry her. She will not get that as long as anyone is willing to pretend she is a victim.

DrMagnolias on January 23, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Another winner – and may I submit that sympathy for “single mothers” be similarly shunned. “You made your bed, now lie in it” would seem to apply to both.

This thread has brought out some of the most passionate and articulate feeling I’ve ever encountered on Hot Air. Bravi.

warbaby on January 23, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Sorry to keep posting, but I think this is an important point. Tiller also got away with murdering a young woman.

“”In 2005, 19-year-old Christine Gilbert died from a botched third-trimester abortion procured at Tiller’s Wichita abortion mill,” Operation Rescue said. “The KSBHA indicated that the ‘standard of practice’ had not been violated, and refused to discipline Tiller. Suspicions arose at the time that political cover as given to Tiller in the Gilbert case because of his heavy campaign contributions to Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who personally appoints the members of the KSBHA.”

Mary Kay Culp, the state executive director for Kansans for Life.

It should be noted that Christine was a young woman with Down Syndrome. She had been raped.

Vera on January 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM

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