Nuclear talks with Iran collapse

posted at 1:50 pm on January 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Not only have talks between Iran and six Western nations on nuclear non-proliferation collapsed, no one has any idea when Iran will come back to the table.  Iran refused to open discussions without first having sanctions lifted, and the West refused:

Talks meant to nudge Iran toward heeding U.N. Security Council demands to stop uranium enrichment collapsed Saturday, with Tehran shrugging off calls by six world powers to cease the activity that could be harnessed to make nuclear arms.

Announcing the failure of two days of negotiations, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said no new date for another meeting had been set. She blamed what the six consider unrealistic demands by Iran — an end to U.N. sanctions and agreement that Iran could continue to enrich — for the disappointing results.

Proposals by the six for improved U.N. monitoring of Iran’s nuclear activities were rejected by Tehran, as were attempts to kickstart dialogue through reviving a subset of international talks focusing on Iran shipping out a limited amount of its enriched uranium in exchange for fuel for its research reactor, Ashton said.

Turkey winds up with egg on its face in this case.  They provided the venue and the mediation to get Iran back to the table, and claimed that their growing friendship with Iran put them in good position to gain concessions from the mullahcracy.  Turkey’s Foreign Minister claimed that Iran actually trusted the US to keep a bargain more than the Russians, and that talks could gain some traction for the “moderate” Ahmandinejad.  The Turks oppose stronger sanctions, but Iran’s insistence on an end to all sanctions as a prerequisite to talks likely caught Turkey by surprise, as well as the Western nations gathered for the talks.

In other words, this has been another colossal waste of time.  Iran has no intention of ending its march to nuclear arms, as their behavior repeatedly has shown over the past decade.  They kept this program hidden for as long as possible to keep the IAEA out of their hair, and have played games ever since to delay international action to prevent the development of a nuclear weapon.

Undoubtedly, the Western nations will once again threaten tougher sanctions.  Undoubtedly, Russia and China will express reservations.  And undoubtedly, Iran will once again offer to hold talks, only to play Lucy to the West’s Charlie Brown and pull the ball away again.


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Didn’t exactly need a crystal ball on this one.

jeanie on January 22, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Mercifully, they didn’t see this as “unexpected.”

J_Crater on January 22, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Colossal waste of time.

pugwriter on January 22, 2011 at 1:56 PM

In other words, this has been another colossal waste of time.

By design.

Kenosha Kid on January 22, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I blame the mustache—John Bolton!

Bwhahahahaha!

mossberg500 on January 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Nuclear talks with Iran collapse

What? Imadinnerjacket tried to fix a horse race, and the horses refused to run?

percysunshine on January 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Zzzzzzzz….

vcferlita on January 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM

And we were trying to discuss nuclear issues with who?

Why was that again? Oh yeah, because the the great messiah was certain if we just talked a rainbow and smores would magically appear because we all know he was the one he was waiting for.

Speakup on January 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM

But, Obama’s mellifluous voice can solve all problems.

BDavis on January 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM

I don’t like posting on Iran threads because I can’t spell Arkmahjin’s(or whatever)name and it’s more or less obligatory that you have to. I’m only making an exception because it is becoming more and more obvious that the UN is a waste of money and time. Why do they persist on keeping it?

jeanie on January 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I don’t understand. Barry the Wunderkind assured us all during the presidential campaign that all we had to do was elect him, and all the world’s countries would love and respect us again. Barry would just bow, smile his dazzling smile, and invite the bad guys to sit down and chat, and then they’d melt into a puddle of goo at his feet and do whatever he wanted (kind of like the MSM here did).

I guess the crazy mullahs didn’t get the memo.

AZCoyote on January 22, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Just give dinnerjacket some Proggade™—made with skittle juice and unicorn extract.

mossberg500 on January 22, 2011 at 2:11 PM

There were no talks, therefore they could not collapse. This is like saying that the negotiations regarding Allah Pundit marrying Miss USA 2010 collapsed.

MikeA on January 22, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Turkey winds up with egg on its face in this case.

Are we back to talking about Olbermann again? I thought this thread was about Nookuler stuff.

Sheeesh.

Geochelone on January 22, 2011 at 2:20 PM

“The negotiations will be short” – Qui-Gon Jinn

vcferlita on January 22, 2011 at 2:21 PM

These ‘talks’ didn’t collapse. There wasn’t any negotiation. Iran is going to develop nuclear weapons and dares anyone to try to stop them.

Skandia Recluse on January 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Perhaps a state dinner hosted by Zero and his lovely bride might do the trick. A love bomb seems the only way to go.

a capella on January 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM

But Obama gave a great speech denouncing America! He held out an open hand!

How did that amazingly, dazzlingly, brilliant strategy not work?! Obama is just too smart for us.

GardenGnome on January 22, 2011 at 2:39 PM

The mullahs weren’t serious about negotiating? I know I’m shocked.

“I don’t like posting on Iran threads because I can’t spell Arkmahjin’s(or whatever)name…”

jeanie on January 22, 2011 at 2:06 PM

It’s easy: “A C M E H A N D J O B”

novaculus on January 22, 2011 at 2:49 PM

These ‘talks’ didn’t collapse. There wasn’t any negotiation. Iran is going to develop nuclear weapons and dares anyone to try to stop them.
Skandia Recluse on January 22, 2011 at 2:28 PM

How does this constitute a “negotiation?”

IRAN: Abrogate all your demands, give us everything we want, and then we’ll talk.

UN: About what?

IRAN: Well, if you’re just going to be unreasonable, I see no point in continuing.

UN: Continuing what?

logis on January 22, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Well nothing has changed really.

Iran wasn’t doing anything but stalling and their allies were just going along for the ride.

The world was dangerous yesterday and it’s dangerous today.

petunia on January 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM

logis:

Abrogate all your demands

Iran insists that the US not make illegal demands. Iran insists that the US follow the treaties that it signs. Is that wrong?

dave742 on January 22, 2011 at 3:01 PM

The sooner we turn Tehran to glass, the safer we’ll be. But we wouldn’t really have to go that far. Just give the green light to Israel, and the mullahs and Acmehandjob (Creds to novaculus) will meet their virgins.

TXUS on January 22, 2011 at 3:03 PM

So…how many ‘non-surprises’ does that make for this week?

CPT. Charles on January 22, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Another B+ effort from Obama.

csdeven on January 22, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Still dithering.

diogenes on January 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Well nothing has changed really.

Iran wasn’t doing anything but stalling and their allies were just going along for the ride.

The world was dangerous yesterday and it’s dangerous today.
petunia on January 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM

It is getting more dangerous all the time. I surely won’t live to see 2050. But, I do expect that by then some idiot will use a nuclear weapon in a war.

SC.Charlie on January 22, 2011 at 3:20 PM

I think Obama’s next move is to BOW DOWN

right4life on January 22, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Turkey joins the ranks of the silly and futile.

burt on January 22, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Attacking Iran is like attacking Islam. It ain’t gonna happen.
Besides you might inflict boo boos on the incredibly democratic ordinary people who long for freedom or something.

Go back to sleep now and dream of electoral excitement.

BL@KBIRD on January 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM

How about sending four or five hundred Tomahawk missiles into this 7th century goat-shagger’s kitchen? That would make my millennium.

Wyatt Wingfoot on January 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM

We have to put the blame for this where it belongs:
Sarah Palin.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 22, 2011 at 3:49 PM

But I thought Iran’s pursuit of nuclear ‘power’ was simply for the peaceful supply of electricity to its people?

catmman on January 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Gasp! It’s ALMOST like their stalling for time!

GarandFan on January 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Does Iran have any Panda bears we can keep for a few years?

BobMbx on January 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM

There’s an old joke:

The European diplomat says: ” Mahmoud, why are we running in circles?”

Mahmoud says: “Shut up or I’ll nail your other foot to the floor.”

It really slays them in Tehran…

karl9000 on January 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Can’t we get them to talk by bombing Hanoi or threatening to mine Haiphong Harbor?

Whoops…wrong country/time.

Same bull$***.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 22, 2011 at 6:28 PM

All hail “smart power”….

As usual…Conservatives were 100% correct (talks without pre-conditions and sanctions won’t work)

…….and

liberals were 100% wrong (talks without pre-conditions, playing nice with dinner jacket,and having Obama as President will turn Iran around).

So far the only real progress in stopping Iran’s march toward a nuclear weapon was the sustext virus program that Bush initiated….and even that has done nothing about Iran’s weaponization program.

Baxter Greene on January 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Proposals by the six for improved U.N. monitoring of Iran’s nuclear activities were rejected by Tehran,

Apparently Ahmandinejad is pissed he didn’t get his “Together We Thrive” T-shirt.

Baxter Greene on January 22, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Can’t we get them to talk by bombing Hanoi or threatening to mine Haiphong Harbor?

Whoops…wrong country/time.

Same bull$***.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 22, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Worked a treat, Christmas of ’72.

PersonFromPorlock on January 22, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Gee, it’s almost like Iran is immune to our ‘smart power’ diplomacy. It’s very scary that these supposedly ‘intelligent’ diplomats believed that Iran will give up its nuclear weapons ambitions at any price. North Korea is a economic hellhole and won’t give up its nukes. Iran has tons more money and two valuable allies, Russia and China, to aid its nuclear weapons ambitions. Unless we can penalize those two countries for aiding and abetting Iran, it will achieve a nuclear weapon status and then forget about the price of oil.

eaglewingz08 on January 22, 2011 at 8:27 PM

This is like saying that the negotiations regarding Allah Pundit marrying Miss USA 2010 collapsed.

This is like saying that the negotiations regarding Allah Pundit marrying Miss USA 2010 Meghan McCain collapsed.

FIFY.

nagee76 on January 23, 2011 at 3:37 AM

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canopfor on January 23, 2011 at 3:50 AM

Upcoming movie on Iran.

First (50,000) gets an Online viewing,
omly need your e-mail to get in!!
====================================

http://www.iraniumthemovie.com/

canopfor on January 23, 2011 at 3:54 AM

Barry asks Dinnerjacket to “unclench his fist.” Dinnerjacket responds with an unclenched fist . . . and a hand buzzer.

tpitman on January 23, 2011 at 7:08 AM

canopfor:
I went to the Iranium movie website. It says:

“Missiles including Fajr-3 and Shahab-3 enable the delivery of a biological, chemical or nuclear payload anywhere in the Middle East, and reaching into parts of Europe.”

http://www.iraniumthemovie.com/learn-more/relevant-articles/

This statement is false. The Shahab-3 cannot carry a nuclear warhead. It is impossible, especially considering that Iran keeps making the RV of the Shahab-3 smaller. Why would Iran make the RV smaller when they would need to make it much larger if they wanted it to carry a nuke? Could it be that it is NOT meant to carry a nuke? The fact that it cannot carry a nuke was pointed out by Uzi Rubin, the former head of Israel’s Arrow anti-missile program. Is he lying? Also, the “free press” in the US talked forever about a scary “black box” that was in a drawing obtained from the “laptop of death”. The “black box” was inside the RV of the Shahab-3. The media told us the “black box” was a nuclear warhead. It turns out that the “black box” was a telemetry unit for sending back signals on test flights. The NY Times writers knew about this, and they pretended it was a nuclear weapon anyway. Free press?

Anyway, your movie sounds like it is BS.

(For details about the Shahab-3, see pages 95-151 here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39038338/Pierre-Goldschmidt-Critique )

dave742 on January 23, 2011 at 8:08 AM

Talking with pathological, theocratic liars (Koranically-approved) fails again.

Sir Prize!

profitsbeard on January 23, 2011 at 9:52 AM

The time will come for the ‘Smoking Crater’ school of diplomacy.

Slowburn on January 23, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Nuclear Talks with Iran Collapse

I believe the correct term is implode.

unclesmrgol on January 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM