Abortionist faces eight counts of murder in Philadelphia; Update: How did he escape notice so long? “By design

posted at 2:55 pm on January 19, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This may be as ghastly a story outside of the Tucson massacre as we’ll see all year … I hope.  An abortionist arrested in Philadelphia faces eight counts of murder, one for the death of a patient, and the other seven for killing babies who survived his botched abortions.  The district attorney alleges that Kermit Gosnell used a pair of scissors to sever their spinal cords:

A West Philadelphia abortion doctor, his wife and eight other suspects are now under arrest following a grand jury investigation.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, faces eight counts of murder in the deaths of a woman following a botched abortion at his office, along with the deaths of seven other babies who, prosecutors allege, were born alive following illegal late-term abortions and then were killed by severing their spinal cords with a pair of scissors. …

Gosnell is facing Murder in the 3rd Degree for the death of 41-year-old Karnamaya Mongar. Mrs. Mongar died on November 20, 2009 when she was overdosed with anesthetics prescribed by Gosnell. He is also facing seven Murder charges for the deaths of infants who were killed after being born viable and alive during the 6th, 7th and 8th month of pregnancy. Gosnell is also facing numerous other charges.

Gosnell is suspected of killing hundreds of living babies over the course of his 30 year practice. However, he is not charged because the records do not exist.

What a shock it must be to find that Gosnell didn’t keep records of his illegal abortions and outright murders.  This was no fly-by-night operation, either.  Gosnell made over $1.8 million in one year, the CBS affiliate in Philadelphia reports.  Also, Gosnell is reportedly the target of a federal probe into illegal prescriptions.

The district attorney felt the need to defend his prosecution to the media, for some reason:

“I am aware that abortion is a hot-button topic,” said District Attorney Seth Williams. “But as District Attorney, my job is to carry out the law. A doctor who knowingly and systematically mistreats female patients, to the point that one of them dies in his so-called care, commits murder under the law. A doctor who cuts into the necks severing the spinal cords of living, breathing babies, who would survive with proper medical attention, is committing murder under the law.”

Indeed.  And it says something about the current debate over abortion that Williams even had to explain this.  This is worse than the controversy in the 2008 presidential election about Barack Obama’s successful action to block a bill requiring doctors to provide care to babies born alive during abortion procedures.  This “doctor” allegedly went out of his way to kill them after the birth through a brutal and heartless procedure, not just neglect.  And he made a fortune from doing so.

My guess is that few people will rush to defend Gosnell’s alleged actions, apart from the fringe like Peter Singer who argue that parents should have the option of terminating an infant’s life past a live birth.  But this revelation will certainly linger in the minds of everyone else, and have people asking how many more Gosnells may be making their own fortunes through similar means.

Update: I’ve just started reading the grand jury report, which is sickening, but raises an important question — how did Gosnell get away with it for so long?  Forget about the murders of live babies for a moment and read this description of Gosnell’s work from the section titled “Butcher of women”:

One woman, for example, was left lying in place for hours after Gosnell tore her cervix and colon while trying, unsuccessfully, to extract the fetus. Relatives who came to pick her up were refused entry into the building; they had to threaten to call the police. They eventually found her inside, bleeding and incoherent, and transported her to the hospital, where doctors had to remove almost half a foot of her intestines.

On another occasion, Gosnell simply sent a patient home, after keeping her mother waiting for hours, without telling either of them that she still had fetal parts inside her. Gosnell insisted she was fine, even after signs of serious infection set in over the next several days. By the time her mother got her to the emergency room, she was unconscious and near death.

A nineteen-year-old girl was held for several hours after Gosnell punctured her uterus.  As a result of the delay, she fell into shock from blood loss, and had to undergo a hysterectomy.

One patient went into convulsions during an abortion, fell off the procedure table,  and hit her head on the floor.  Gosnell wouldn’t call an ambulance, and wouldn’t let the woman’s companion leave the building so that he could call an ambulance.

That’s at least three incidents where a hospital should have reported Gosnell’s butchery.  Why wasn’t he stopped then?  The politics of abortion (emphasis in the original):

We discovered that Pennsylvania’s Department of Health has deliberately chosen not to enforce laws that should afford patients at abortion clinics the same safeguards and assurances of quality health care as patients of other medical service providers. Even nail salons in Pennsylvania are monitored more closely for client safety.

The State Legislature has charged the Department of Health (DOH) with responsibility for writing and enforcing regulations to protect health and safety in abortion clinics as well as in hospitals and other health care facilities. Yet a significant difference exists between how DOH monitors abortion clinics and how it monitors facilities where other medical procedures are performed.

Indeed, the department has shown an utter disregard both for the safety of women who seek treatment at abortion clinics and for the health of fetuses after they have become viable. State health officials have also shown a disregard for the laws the department is supposed to enforce. Most appalling of all, the Department of Health’s neglect of abortion patients’ safety and of Pennsylvania laws is clearly not inadvertent: It is by design. …

State health officials knew that Gosnell and his clinic were offering unacceptable medical care to women and girls, yet DOH failed to take any action to stop the atrocities documented by this Grand Jury. These officials were far more protective of themselves when they testified before the Grand Jury. Even DOH lawyers, including the chief counsel, brought private attorneys with them – presumably at government expense.

Ghastly doesn’t begin to describe this.  Read the report at your own risk.


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I don’t understand the many posters here who are shocked at this one abortionist’s crimes, but aren’t willing to call for an end to the entire 38 year long, 40 million murdered, bloodbath.

Wake up people!! Why are you so shocked??? This man is not the exception, he is the rule!! He is the face of abortion in America!!

This particular abortionist might have been a sloppy housekeeper, but he is not different than any other abortionist! He just kept the evidence around too long.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Evil incarnate.

tommylotto on January 19, 2011 at 3:19 PM

You disgust me.

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

This is one of the truly disgusting aspects of the abortion decision. So many of these women can kill their babies, but they can’t bear the thought of “giving them up”. That’s just sick.

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Yep. My wife volunteers at a crisis pregnancy center and talks to women who consider abortion as their only option to parenting. When adoption is brought up, the response is almost always, “Oh no, I could NEVER give up my baby.”

It is very, very difficult to say, “But you could have them ripped apart limb from limb?” in a delicate manner.

CDeb on January 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more racist and anti-black or anti-Hispanic than the legalized murder of unborn black and hispanic children. No comment, no insinuation, no off-the-cuff remark that ticks off Sharpton’s radar is any more racist than the continued murdering of these children in the place where they should be the safest–in the wombs of their mothers.

I cannot stomach this.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM

I’m sure this is the first and only time anything like this has happened.

Akzed on January 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM

why not hasten that death to save time? It just doesn’t seem like that much of a leap to me.

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:20 PM

It is no leap att all, from abortion to euthanasia is only a matter of what we percieve as time.

fourdeucer on January 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Missy on January 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM

this

+1

cmsinaz on January 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Rare, safe and legal!

Let’s see, combine this news with the story the other week about the rate of abortions in NYC and you’ve got 1 out of 3 anyway. Not too shabby.

Seriously, the only way to defend this is if you have no soul. Period.

somewhatconcerned on January 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Of course, no mention of prosecuting the women paid murder for hire.

Out, damn’d spot!

The Ugly American on January 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM

It is no leap att all, from abortion to euthanasia is only a matter of what we percieve as time.

fourdeucer on January 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM

or the ‘insane’..

/Sanger

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

I think you are responding to a missing sarc tag…

Akzed on January 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Well, down in Hialiah “at least 2 witnesses saw clinic owner Belkis Gonzalez cut the potentially viable (~23 weeks gestation) baby’s cord and put the baby in a biohazard bag with bleach inside.

An anonymous caller tipped off police, who searched the scene but could not find the dead baby. Nine days later the source called again, saying workers put the baby on the mill’s roof before the search but had now retrieved it. Police recovered the decomposed baby. The DNA matched her mother’s. ”

via Jill Stanek (The woman who fought Obama over IL BAIPA)

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I wonder … what percentage of pro-abortionists would be fine with this had the victims been the result of rape or incest?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM

That’d be one-hundred-eleventy percent.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM

You disgust me.

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

I think the point is that if we take the position that abortion is OK, why should this be so much more heinous? If this guy had severed the spinal cords WHILE they were in the womb would he be any less guilty of murdering these children?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Ah, didn’t The One support a law in Illinois that supported this exact act in the event the doctor botched the abortion?

chickasaw42 on January 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Not quite. He opposed a law that would require medical care to be provided to babies that somehow survived a botched abortion (rather than them being put in closets to die in the dark, which was the current practice in some cases).

He also voted against the partial birth abortion ban in the IL State Senate (the IL version of the federal law).

Michelle Obama campaigned against both laws as well.

Missy on January 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Yes, but they will convince themselves, with the help of the media, that this guy was an exception, that Planned Parenthood and the other enlightened reproductive health providers do abortion the “nice” way.

Missy on January 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM

So, this guy is an exception–ie, not representative of the whole, and Jared Laughner is the rule–ie, completely representative of those who listen to Beck /Palin/Limbaugh.

I’m not buying that argument from the left. The similarity from this guys clinic, to other clinics is a single, solitary outcome–dead babies.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM

That’d be one-hundred-eleventy percent.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM

You might not see them openly admit to this, but I think you’re right. Somehow life conceived from rape or incest just isn’t worth as much in their eyes.

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM

It is very, very difficult to say, “But you could have them ripped apart limb from limb?” in a delicate manner.

CDeb on January 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM

I understand your wife’s responsibility to be professional and dispassionate when urging these women to consider another path, but when the life of a baby is at stake, is delicacy and tact what really matter?

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM

or the ‘insane’..

/Sanger

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:34 PM

oh yeah margaret sanger the racist eugenicist….abortion is part of the eugenics movement…its the dirty little secret of the progressive movement…people hillary are in awe of sanger….

this is profoundly evil. may God have mercy on us…I’m surprised He has had so much for so long….

right4life on January 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM

I wonder … what percentage of pro-abortionists would be fine with this had the victims been the result of rape or incest?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM

that’s such a weak sauce argument though. From Ed’s post on the NYC abortions (41% of all pregnancies), only <7% of all pregnancies are a result of these crimes or threaten the health of the mother. The remaining 93% are for social reasons alone.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Exactly, once again, if abortion is legal, and it is, why is this guy’s method illegal?

Tada……….it’s not.

ORconservative on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Proverbs 8:36: “…he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.”

Akzed on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

And please note: it is legal to sell body parts of aborted babies for “research” to anyone who comes into the abortion mill and pays a “fee” to use the room that they collect the parts in.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:28 PM

The day I learned when the UPS truck came as a routine stop to pick up the remains was a life-altering event. I had protested there before, but never knew about the bodies (assumed they were somehow incinerated there). It’s one thing to know what happens and to pray over the girls who enter, try to counsel them, but to see the boxes…it broke me.

Bee on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

This particular abortionist might have been a sloppy housekeeper, but he is not different than any other abortionist! He just kept the evidence around too long.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

bingo…this is monstrous…

right4life on January 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM

The district attorney alleges that Kermit Gosnell used a pair of scissors to sever their spinal cords

First, do no harm.

Words, just words, eh doc?

AZCoyote on January 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Several years ago in Chicago, 500 aborted babies were found in the dead of winter, in plastic bags, in a dumpster used by several tenants of a building that also housed an abortion mill. Cardinal Bernadin was given these babies by the persons who found them and they were given a Christian burial by him in the babies’ section of a Catholic cemetary.
The people who found them were sued by the National Organization for Women, under the RICO statute. That case went to the U.S. Supreme court, twice, and after twenty years of being dragged through the courts, the pro-lifers were exonerated. At untold legal cost and emotional duress, of course.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM

I think the point is that if we take the position that abortion is OK, why should this be so much more heinous? If this guy had severed the spinal cords WHILE they were in the womb would he be any less guilty of murdering these children?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Exactly.

Which is why the women are just as complicit in these acts of murder.

The Ugly American on January 19, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Even the arguments for abortion are the same: read the discussions of the left on this topic – then compare to 1840s debates over abolition or 1930s debates in Germany over the coming “final solution.” The arguments are, almost word for word, identical. The denial of humanity; the preservation of property rights over human rights; the elevation of evil to the sanctified and the debasement of the sacred until it is viewed as meaningless.

Professor Blather on January 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

“Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger. “The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda.” Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

right4life on January 19, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I’m not buying that argument from the left. The similarity from this guys clinic, to other clinics is a single, solitary outcome–dead babies.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM

That is one reason I hope this case receives the widest possible coverage. Maybe more evidence elsewhere will come to light. Maybe Jill Stanek will get some interviews on Fox. Maybe because this doctor appears to be black, Obama will feel compelled to speak out and say something incredibly awful. Something – anything to make it stop.

Missy on January 19, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use violence to get what they want. If we accept, condone, and sanction that a mother can murder even her own child, how can we tell any other people not to kill one another?

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM

My guess is that few people will rush to defend Gosnell’s alleged actions, apart from the fringe like Peter Singer who argue that parents should have the option of terminating an infant’s life past a live birth.

What fringe would that be? Would that fringe include NoW? NoW has supported the right to let babies freeze to death after “botched” late term abortions.

Would the fringe include the Federal Government that gives money to Planned Parenthood that supports doctors that allow babies to freeze to death after “botched” late term abortions?

Is the definition of “botched late term abortion”: Oops, I accidentally allowed a baby to live?

Rode Werk on January 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM

only <7% of all pregnancies claim to be are a result of these crimes or threaten the health of the mother. The remaining 93% are for social reasons alone. ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM

FI

Akzed on January 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Even the arguments for abortion are the same: read the discussions of the left on this topic – then compare to 1840s debates over abolition or 1930s debates in Germany over the coming “final solution.” The arguments are, almost word for word, identical. The denial of humanity; the preservation of property rights over human rights; the elevation of evil to the sanctified and the debasement of the sacred until it is viewed as meaningless.

Professor Blather on January 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM

“The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the N egro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the N egro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

“Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need … We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock.”
Margaret Sanger, April 1933 Birth Control Review.

“Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger. “The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda.” Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

right4life on January 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I understand your wife’s responsibility to be professional and dispassionate when urging these women to consider another path, but when the life of a baby is at stake, is delicacy and tact what really matter?

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM

My instinct is to agree. However, delicacy and tact actually save babies lives in that situation. Many of these women are extremely vulnerable and making them feel worse would send many into the welcoming arms of Planned Parenthood.

CDeb on January 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Exactly, once again, if abortion is legal, and it is, why is this guy’s method illegal?

Tada……….it’s not.

ORconservative on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

It’s illegal because of the arbitrary lines that are drawn to separate legal killing (abortion) from murder. Sane people may not see the distinction, but the politicians who write the laws do. They seek to pretend to abhor murder while bending to the will of feminazis and other progressives.

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:45 PM

that’s such a weak sauce argument though. From Ed’s post on the NYC abortions (41% of all pregnancies), only <7% of all pregnancies are a result of these crimes or threaten the health of the mother. The remaining 93% are for social reasons alone.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Yeah, but would you see Barrack Obama or other pro-abortionists be FINE with this had the babies been the result of rape or incest. I think so. Isn’t the (wrong) argument that abortion should be allowed in the case of rape or incest. So why not cutting the necks of babies born as a result of rape or incest?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:46 PM

I blame his parents.

catmman on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

You disgust me.

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

His/her comment was obvious sarcasm.

DarkCurrent on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

So why not cutting the necks of babies born as a result of rape or incest?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:46 PM

and then the old, crippled, and ‘useless eaters’

right4life on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

The district attorney alleges that Kermit Gosnell used a pair of scissors to sever their spinal cords:

I couldn’t read any further. My god. Help us all.

SouthernGent on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Don’t forget to charge the mothers.

Ronnie on January 19, 2011 at 3:06 PM

*crickets from the media*

I wonder … what percentage of pro-abortionists would be fine with this had the victims been the result of rape or incest?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:29 PM

As if the children conceived from such an atrocity have less of a right to live than a child conceived consentually.
I wonder how many important figures throughout history were the products of rape or incest?
I know personally that I am an indirect product of incest:
my GG-grandparents were 1st cousins.
I think in Blegium that they were at least at one time here recently considering incest to be immaterial when it came to sanctioning marriages.
Relatives making babies with each in & of itself does not produce mutations.
In fact, the animal husbandry industries have benefitted immensley from ‘double-breeding’.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

My instinct is to agree. However, delicacy and tact actually save babies lives in that situation. Many of these women are extremely vulnerable and making them feel worse would send many into the welcoming arms of Planned Parenthood.

CDeb on January 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I fully understand. My oafish bluntness and lack of tact is why I could never volunteer to do what your wife does. God bless her and all who do.

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:49 PM

The history books may well look at us in much the same way we look at late-1930′s Germany…

Professor Blather on January 19, 2011 at 2:58 PM

They will.

When (not if) abortion is made illegal again, there will be memorials (actually there already are, by prolifers, but there will be many more) to the slain unborn, and museums and history books explaining how this could possibly have happened and human beings could have done this to the most helpless among us.

inviolet on January 19, 2011 at 3:49 PM

And please note: it is legal to sell body parts of aborted babies for “research” to anyone who comes into the abortion mill and pays a “fee” to use the room that they collect the parts in.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:28 PM

The day I learned when the UPS truck came as a routine stop to pick up the remains was a life-altering event. I had protested there before, but never knew about the bodies (assumed they were somehow incinerated there). It’s one thing to know what happens and to pray over the girls who enter, try to counsel them, but to see the boxes…it broke me.

Bee on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

I recall the day the workmen came to the mill and installed “industrial strength” garbage disposals. A mill worker spilled the beans and said that the smaller first trimester babies were put down these garbage disposals.

Another time, a man and woman came screeching up to the (late term, up through the sixth month) abortion mill and got out of the car, screaming and crying hysterically. They were looking for their 13 year old daughter, who had died undergoing an abortion there earlier in the day. The parents were told to go to the morgue. And in flourish befitting the caring and compassionate abortion industry, the little girl’s body had not been taken away from the abortion mill in an ambulance, because the abortionists don’t like to be outed. Ambulances mean they botched, again. No, the little girl’s corpse was thrown into the back of a police squadrol and dumped at the county morgue.

Every pro-life American should spend time in prayer outside of an abortion mill. They should see the face and witness the horror of abortion first hand. There is no reason not to, mills are everywhere. Then maybe we can unify in one voice to bring our nation out of this savage darkness.

Stay strong and God bless for all you do, Bee.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM

That is one reason I hope this case receives the widest possible coverage. Maybe more evidence elsewhere will come to light. Maybe Jill Stanek will get some interviews on Fox. Maybe because this doctor appears to be black, Obama will feel compelled to speak out and say something incredibly awful. Something – anything to make it stop.

Missy on January 19, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I say this gently – and I so very much want to be proven wrong – but don’t hold your breath.

I expect minimal, if any, coverage of this. Maybe none at all. Maybe a brief mention on Fox before moving on to what the Kardashian’s are up to this weekend.

Amazing, isn’t it? Last week’s shooting prompts national discussions on political rhetoric and civil discourse, on mental illness, on gender in politics, on gun control.

You’d think this tragic story would prompt a similar discussion, right? On abortion and race and the economics of the issue and religious aspects and the history of abortion in this country and … well, all sorts of things. Right?

Yeah. Don’t hold your breath.

I’m still waiting for the media to cover the torture-rape-murders of Channon Christian and Christoper Newsome. If you’re new to HotAir, the names may not even be familiar. But if you Google it, you’ll see that it didn’t quite meet the liberal narrative spewed by the media.

I’d be surprised to hear any mention of this story at all on the three major networks.

Want the only good news in that? The good news is that deep, deep down, liberals sense their own evil and shame. And that’s why they hide stories like this one.

Professor Blather on January 19, 2011 at 3:51 PM

and then the old, crippled, and ‘useless eaters’

right4life on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Well, yeah … anything for the good of the collective.

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:54 PM

As if the children conceived from such an atrocity have less of a right to live than a child conceived consentually.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

You and I find this absurd, but there is a significant portion of the population that doesn’t…

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM

In case you wondered what the pro-deathers thought about this issue.

Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM

In other Womens’ Health news, the City of San Francisco is celebrating the re-opening of a Planned Parenthhood (Abortion – It’s For Your Own Good) outlet.

The tragedy has been the unavailability of Womens’ Health services in this under-served area, apparently. Thank God they’ve gotten there in time. It still may not be too late.

warbaby on January 19, 2011 at 3:56 PM

This is one of the truly disgusting aspects of the abortion decision. So many of these women can kill their babies, but they can’t bear the thought of “giving them up”. That’s just sick.

Extrafishy on January 19, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Yep. My wife volunteers at a crisis pregnancy center and talks to women who consider abortion as their only option to parenting. When adoption is brought up, the response is almost always, “Oh no, I could NEVER give up my baby.”

It is very, very difficult to say, “But you could have them ripped apart limb from limb?” in a delicate manner.

CDeb on January 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM

There are truly a lot of selfish b1tche$ in this world.
It is a truly selfless act to give your child a home with 2 parents in it when you know you cannot provide for that child.
Honestly, if I was pregnant & the Dr told me that my chances of dying were high if I went through with the pregnancy, then I would have no choice but…..to go through with the pregnancy.
My life is worth less than the life of my unborn child.
I have lived.
As a woman, it is my JOB to make sure my child lives on.
Am I the only woman who truly feels this way?

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use violence to get what they want. If we accept, condone, and sanction that a mother can murder even her own child, how can we tell any other people not to kill one another?

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:43 PM

You forgot to attribute the above quote to Mother Teresa of Calcutta. :)

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:58 PM

This is what “choice” looks like.

The only choice being made in an abortion is one that kills an infant.

Murderer indeed.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Relatives making babies with each in & of itself does not produce mutations.
In fact, the animal husbandry industries have benefitted immensley from ‘double-breeding’.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Of course I am not socially sanctioning incestual marriages or unions.
But pointing out the stark biology in reality shows that a child conceived of incest is worth no less than a child conceived otherwise.
How as a woman, could you abort a child that is half YOU?
Maybe you were raped & impregnated, but that child is half YOU.
I just don’t get this equivocation.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM

This is a story too horrible to contemplate. In every way what this so-called doctor did was far worse than Loughner’s crimes.

Loughner’s murders are a product of insanity.

This so-called doctor’s murders are a product of our society…of us.

I can’t divine what is worse, the doctor’s ghastly murders or the society that aids and abets the crimes.

JonPrichard on January 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM

This kind of horror is not uncommon in abortion mills. I had one abortion mill worker tell me that on particularly busy days, “you can smell the blood in the air”.

And please note: it is legal to sell body parts of aborted babies for “research” to anyone who comes into the abortion mill and pays a “fee” to use the room that they collect the parts in.

IOW, the money that changes hands is technically not for body parts, but for use of the abortion facility to collect the body parts. In this way, the body parts are never “sold” and the grisly trade continues. The mothers of these aborted children sign them away in the legalese small print and don’t even know it.

I have personally seen a list from a “broker” that sells these baby body parts to top university research labs. These children’s parts were listed like meat at the butcher’s shop: Lungs, Ears, Eyes, Intact brain, Legs and Arms intact or with feet and hands separately, Fingers, Testicles, Ovaries, Livers, Hearts, Kidneys, Intact Trunk, Intact Entire Body: ALL HAD THEIR PRICE and are being sold today as they were yesterday and will be tomorrow.

Ghoulish? No, just abortion; choice; Roe v Wade in all it’s glory; abortion protected in every way, in America. Let’s keep electing pro-aborts so this can continue, ok?

Please read the book, Lime 5 if you want to educate yourself on the Freddy Krueger-like horrors that are everyday occurances in our “safe”, legal abortion mills.

Sounds like this doctor just had an overstocked inventory. I say that so cavalierly because that is what we have allowed in our nation for 38 years! Why are we shocked at this? Why are we shocked that the nation’s Treasury has been looted by theives, when we have elected them as known murderers?

So, imo, because we continue to put the lives and rights of these tiny persons in the “doesn’t count” category, because our wallets are more important, we will continue to abet these horrors and will continue to elect degenerate monsters like obama who must be taking lessons from the abortionists, because I’ll be darned if obama isn’t about to sever the spinal cord of our nation.

And we’ll deserve it.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I could not possibly agree more.

KinleyArdal on January 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM

but there is a significant portion of the population that doesn’t…

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Those people are the people who see gray areas everywhere, instead of black & white, good & evil, etc.
And that is why we have abortion.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM

How is Palin responsible for this?

29Victor on January 19, 2011 at 3:02 PM

It’s early yet. Give Olbermann some more time.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM

isn’t that funny. Murderers that the left puts in front of conservatives are “representative” whereas murderers that are leftists are “fringe characters” as a means to defend the larger issue. Ie, “abortion” as an issue is under no threat by the actions, albeit reprehensible ones, of one ‘character.’

convenient.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 4:02 PM

You disgust me.

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

You’re not very much on thinking and logic.

His point is a logical extension. He is showing how absurd it is to support the killing of a baby in the vagina, when it is easier and safer to kill them out of the womb. He isn’t saying either is moral, but that if these pro-baby murderers were really worried about the health of the mother, they would deliver the baby and then kill it. The reason they don’t is because that would be too murderous for even their evil.

Tim Burton on January 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM

You disgust me.

FlatFoot on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

You’re not very much on thinking and logic.

His point is a logical extension. He is showing how absurd it is to support the killing of a baby in the vag!na, when it is easier and safer to kill them out of the womb. He isn’t saying either is moral, but that if these pro-baby murderers were really worried about the health of the mother, they would deliver the baby and then kill it. The reason they don’t is because that would be too murderous for even their evil.

Tim Burton on January 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Those people are the people who see gray areas everywhere, instead of black & white, good & evil, etc.
And that is why we have abortion.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Absolutely, it is in those gray areas the devil himself takes refuge.

fourdeucer on January 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM

I can’t believe you censor vagina, what it’s not like I’m saying pussy.

Tim Burton on January 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM

JadeNYU on January 19, 2011 at 3:16 PM

As if somehow this mitigates what he does.

“Honest, your Honor, it was a simple sequencing error.”

I don’t recognize you as a regular HA commenter, so I’m not sure what side of the fence you’re on. But let tell you this: Your post sounds more like legal advice to a practitioner of baby killing than anything else.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 4:05 PM

I think an argument could be made that Cannibalism is no less barbaric than what has occurred here because both practices stem from a common belief—That human flesh is just another inert form of matter like that of any other commodity to be exchanged on the open market.

Now take your anthropocentric glasses off and tell me by what right can we claim to have risen above those primitives we deem so inferior to ourselves; those native headhunters that inhabit islands such as Borneo.

Geochelone on January 19, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Don’t you have to see that something is wrong with a “procedure” when botching it means the child lives?

KCB on January 19, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Pure.unadulterated.evil.

stonemeister on January 19, 2011 at 4:06 PM

In case you wondered what the pro-deathers thought about this issue.

Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors

Vera on January 19, 2011

If that’s the argument then what of this?

I think the point is that if we take the position that abortion is OK, why should this be so much more heinous? If this guy had severed the spinal cords WHILE they were in the womb would he be any less guilty of murdering these children?

MeatHeadinCA on January 19, 2011

Will ‘We the People’ ever have the courage to make this connection?

JonPrichard on January 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM

He targeted minorities. It’s a hate crime.
pt on January 19, 2011 at 3:31 PM

From the AP Story

Some women came from across the mid-Atlantic for the illegal late-term abortions, authorities said. White women from the suburbs were ushered into a separate, slightly cleaner area because Gosnell believed they were more likely to file complaints, Williams said.

here is the Grand Jury Report from the DA’s website and the Presentment to the judge…lots of stuff that is not being reported.

equanimous on January 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM

isn’t that funny. Murderers that the left puts in front of conservatives are “representative” whereas murderers that are leftists are “fringe characters” as a means to defend the larger issue. Ie, “abortion” as an issue is under no threat by the actions, albeit reprehensible ones, of one ‘character.’

convenient.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 4:02 PM

indeed

cmsinaz on January 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM

In case you wondered what the pro-deathers thought about this issue.

Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM

This is why we, as a nation, are ****ing screwed.

The day I learned when the UPS truck came as a routine stop to pick up the remains was a life-altering event. I had protested there before, but never knew about the bodies (assumed they were somehow incinerated there). It’s one thing to know what happens and to pray over the girls who enter, try to counsel them, but to see the boxes…it broke me.

Bee on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

It’s shocking how half the populace can see these kinds of things and not be broken.

“Out yonder goes What can Brown do for You, picking up several crates full of dismembered infants for study in genetic engineering, and skin revitalizer creams in Europe.”

“Far out. Let’s grab a burger.”

Professor Blather said it well. God is not impressed.

It will go poorly for us because we will not stop this wickedness. And, as tigerlily said, we’ll deserve it.

The rage knows no bounds. They’re reopening Planned Parenthood up in Omaha, and donations to our local crisis pregnancy center are down, and I cannot, for the life of me, understand why the nation as a whole does not scream bloody murder and declare it all well and truly over.

KinleyArdal on January 19, 2011 at 4:09 PM

My guess is that few people will rush to defend Gosnell’s alleged actions,

Your guess is way wrong…sadly, you will see this:
I do not think what he did was right by any means, but….

right2bright on January 19, 2011 at 4:09 PM

equanimous on January 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Oh that is rich.
I wonder when Jesse Jackson & Al SHarpton are going to say something about that?

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM

If you can’t control your animalistic impulses, at least let these babies have a chance through ADOPTION, you selfish, depraved monsters!!!

EarthToZoey on January 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other

Cry me a river

reproductive health providers

meaning baby killers in the true meaning of the words

the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted.

Because its murder by inches, right?

If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 3:55 PM

One bad apple, eh? Almost like saying Jeffery Dahmer spoiled the whole serial killer industry because he ate his victims.

Aw shucks.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Well, since you asked, it’s disgusting, not only because of what he did, but because this one fringe character’s actions can and will be unfairly used to paint other reproductive health providers, the vast majority of whom would never run an operation like this, as similarly twisted. If the allegations against this man are true, then his actions play right into the hands of people who purvey the worst caricatures of abortion doctors

The above quote from a pro-abortion source are the textbook lies that are trotted out when they’re caught. If you speak to obgyn’s who do not practice abortion, they will tell you that the abortionists are some of the most unskilled, bottom of the barrel in terms of med-school grades and ethics, “doctors” that they know. They are so pathetic, that they can’t operate legitimate practices that require stringent procedural and skillful applications. They are the back-alley abortionists who moved into the storefront mills after it became “safe, legal and rare” Well, two out of three anyway.

Doctors who don’t do abortions don’t socialize or go into business with abortionists because they are, to put it simply, talentless scum, and these doctors know it.

This abortionist was not the exception. He is the rule.

Read Lime 5 for a litany of the horrors these “doctors” are capable of. Not just in killing the children and maiming or killing their mothers, but in their molestations of patients after they have been drugged, their propensity for lots and lots of drugs, alchohol and porn, porn, porn and their filthy abortion mill conditions.
Most equipment undergoes substandard sterilization and reuse of one-time-only products is common. This information can be verified from the people who used to work in the mills.

Even the abortionists themselves kvetch among themselves, saying they do the dirty work of the acutal abortions while the people like NOW and obama fly high talking about “protecting reproductive rights” and “choice”, while people like obama and NOW give a wide berth to the actual abortionists, preferring never to be seen of photographed with one.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM

This is why Laura Ingraham refers to them as “abortuaries”…

golfer1 on January 19, 2011 at 4:12 PM

How as a woman, could you abort a child that is half YOU?
Maybe you were raped & impregnated, but that child is half YOU.
I just don’t get this equivocation.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM

Or to put it another way…

If a rapist attacks a woman, can the woman shoot an innocent bystander to ease her pain? After all, it wasn’t the baby that participated in the crime, even though he/she will pay with their life.

dominigan on January 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

The most dangerous place in the world for a black person to be today is not on the street, or in school…It’s in his mother’s womb.

sdd on January 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would “forbid abortions to take place.” Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, “then this would be an anti-abortion statute.”

Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.238

He has the support of our president.

29Victor on January 19, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I was an EIGHTH month preemie.
*shiver*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 19, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Even the abortionists themselves kvetch among themselves, saying they do the dirty work of the acutal abortions while the people like NOW and obama fly high talking about “protecting reproductive rights” and “choice”, while people like obama and NOW give a wide berth to the actual abortionists, preferring never to be seen of photographed with one.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM

I’ve met Mark Crutcher, and have friends that used to work for Life Dynamics. I’ve read parts of the book, and it’s depressing.

Ward Cleaver on January 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM

What a disgusting human being. I hope he is convicted and they throw the book at him.

tommer74 on January 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Absolutely, it is in those gray areas the devil himself takes refuge.

fourdeucer on January 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM

My dearest Wormwood;

One of the most effective ways to tempt humans is to first convince them that there are three areas of morality. The clearly right (according to us), the clearly wrong (according to the Enemy), and then the permeable and malleable middle ground, what the humans call, gray area, where there is no good, nor evil–an area that you and I know does not exist, but the idea of its existence merely moves those stupid humans closer to our grasp where we’ll never let go. It is in this so-called ‘gray’ area where you can convince young women that they have such a promising life ahead of them, that having a spawn will ruin their chances of getting an education in those universities where we have our other workers convincingly employed already. As we know from the original sin, young women are easily duped by the simplest of lies. Entice the girl’s friends to apply peer pressure regarding her body image, the fun she’ll miss out on if she continues in pregnancy, and use them to facilitate the act that our Father below desires her to perform. Once complete, the level of despair and guilt will be wonderful to behold, for she will then carry that guilt throughout her life and seek other methods to assuage it that are beneficial to us; that is, through our friend alcohol, or other beneficial substances that will numb her temporarily from her inevitable deliverance to our place in Hell. By all means, keep her away from church.

Your affectionate uncle,
Screwtape

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Say, do you think we’ll hear from obama about how this guy was really wrong? Obama may just have to come out and explain, again, that the best way to kill a baby is first, to promote and protect abortion through all nine months.
AND if an abortion results in a live infant, of course, you leave it in a hospital dirty linens closet to die. And if you are an obama, you make sure that the law says that these babies can be killed this way with no repurcussions whatsoever. And then you get elected President of the United States of America.

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 4:18 PM

I was an EIGHTH month preemie.
*shiver*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 19, 2011 at 4:14 PM

My son was 2 months early. He’s now a straight A student in HS (skipped the 2nd grade), healthy, and absolutely brilliant.

Viable. These babies should be so lucky.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 4:19 PM

This is a story too horrible to contemplate. In every way what this so-called doctor did was far worse than Loughner’s crimes.

Loughner’s murders are a product of insanity.

This so-called doctor’s murders are a product of our society…of us.

I can’t divine what is worse, the doctor’s ghastly murders or the society that aids and abets the crimes.

JonPrichard on January 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM

The corollary to your post is that society, taken in aggregate, is just as insane as Loughner. This unsettling truth does sting once the tendency for denial fades away.

Geochelone on January 19, 2011 at 4:19 PM

BobMbx

Just to be clear, I was quoting what an abortion supporter said on another site, not saying how I feel about the issue.

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM

tigerlily on January 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM

I’m pretty sure that the pro-life group involved was the Pro-Life Action League which was founded by the great protector of the unborn-Joe Scheidler.

I had the honor of meeting Mr.& Mrs. Scheidler at the Empty Cradle clinic caroling in Chicago in December.
Mr. Scheidler also just accepted my FaceBook friend request.

What good, godly people they are!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 19, 2011 at 4:21 PM

I was an EIGHTH month preemie.
*shiver*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 19, 2011 at 4:14 PM

My daughter was a 6 1/2 month preemie. She weighed 2 lbs 1 3/4 oz, and was so small you could hold her in one hand.

These people are monsters.

dominigan on January 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Why is this a crime? Please explain; if the baby is not human, and therefore not worthy of protection under the law five minutes prior to exiting the womb, why is it human 5 minutes after exiting the womb, and therefore worthy of protection under the law?

What happened during that time to make the baby human? Why did the presence of a heartbeat, functioning lungs, brain and other organs qualify the baby for “living” status after exiting the womb, but not prior to exiting the womb?

Precisely what kind of backward somersaults of logic must one make to believe that killing a baby inside the womb is morally right, but killing a baby outside the womb is morally wrong?

OscarSchneegans on January 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Vera on January 19, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Ok.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM

If a rapist attacks a woman, can the woman shoot an innocent bystander to ease her pain? After all, it wasn’t the baby that participated in the crime, even though he/she will pay with their life.

dominigan on January 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Of course NOW would say of course not, unless it is a white male.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM

The most dangerous place in the world for a black person to be today is not on the street, or in school…It’s in his mother’s womb.

sdd on January 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

How tragic. How horribly sad.

How – by definition – racist. Real racism.

And it is all, every bit of it, a direct result of the rise of liberalism and Johnson’s Great Society.

Just a couple generations ago, in our grandfathers’ era, even while Jim Crow was still law and segregation still the norm, African-American preachers and community leaders would have been leading the charge against this evil.

That community, in that day, perhaps because of all it struggled against, was enormously moral. And conservative. And concerned with the future of its people.

Today? Today the entitlement age, the dependency generation, the welfare state … it has all conspired to create a Black culture today in which this evil thrives.

What I wouldn’t give to have Martin Luther King alive, for just one day, to publicly address his views on the issue.

A lot of liberals would be very, very surprised. And a lot of Black babies would live.

Professor Blather on January 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM

A lot of liberals would be very, very surprised. And a lot of Black babies would live.

Professor Blather on January 19, 2011 at 4:22 PM

I am pretty sure Margaret Sanger is smiling about this result in the depths of he!! she calls home.

Badger40 on January 19, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Proverbs 8:36: “…he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.”

Akzed on January 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Remarkably, I was just mentioning that verse to my father the other day, in a conversation about the Culture of Death, and the 10-10 Global Warming freakshows.

This is why I am a “social conservative.”

I’m worried about money… Hell, we’re all worried about money… but what I’m really worried about is that we live in a nation that either glorifies wanton infanticide or doesn’t give a rat’s bloody ass.

I don’t frakking care if the Republicans manage to find some semblance of testicular fortitude and, by some miracle, balance the budget for a little while. We’re going to go right back in the hole, way sooner than any would expect, because we have lost our national soul.

Our children are dying all around us, and we’re arguing about our damned pocketbooks.

I can barely stand some days to read the news, where everyone’s talking about how the economy’s starting to look up!, (It isn’t, actually), and no one gives a damn that several thousand of our own precious children were sacrificed to Sanger’s Molech 2.0 and the all-important altar of sexual freedom, a phrase that twists my gut to hear or say.

We’ve taken something wonderful and life-giving, and turned it into a cheap recreational drug, and a justification for outright murder.

The books will never balance, the long-term car-off-the-clif scenario won’t change, because we won’t fix what is wrong with our very souls, and find the guts to throw ourselves between our children, and the Left, and their thrice-damned obsession with blood and death.

As long as we refuse to confront the Left and tear down their idols of massacre, we will never know security.

That said, we will never know security, because we won’t confront the Left. Paging Mitch frakking Daniels.

The most dangerous place in the world for a black person to be today is not on the street, or in school…It’s in his mother’s womb.

sdd on January 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

KinleyArdal on January 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM

C.S. Lewis was a brilliant Christian writer. I never took spiritual warfare seriously as a Christian until I read the Screwtape Letters. A lot of things made sense after that.

dominigan on January 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM

I was an EIGHTH month preemie.
*shiver*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 19, 2011 at 4:14 PM

My son was 2 months early. He’s now a straight A student in HS (skipped the 2nd grade), healthy, and absolutely brilliant.

Viable. These babies should be so lucky.

BobMbx on January 19, 2011 at 4:19 PM

In late 1970 being born a month early was pretty serious. My Asperger’s is very likely due to when I was born/complications associated with it.
I’m still glad that I WAS born-though some of my political ‘opponents’ might not share in my glee.
*smiles*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKoIXeBo4DY

Alveda King;

“The blood of our children is shed in a war waged inside the wombs of their mothers.”

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM

We lament over the loss of a 1/2 dozen citizens gunned down…but hundreds of babies, with crushed skulls, severed spines, are killed every month, and silence because it may disturb some people to be called out.

right2bright on January 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM

C.S. Lewis was a brilliant Christian writer. I never took spiritual warfare seriously as a Christian until I read the Screwtape Letters. A lot of things made sense after that.

dominigan on January 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM

I totally agree.

ted c on January 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM

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