Video: Herman Cain challenges Bill Clinton on HillaryCare in 1994

posted at 5:04 pm on January 18, 2011 by Allahpundit

Thank Joshua Green of the Atlantic, who recently profiled Cain, for digging this up. I’m not sure if the clip was considered “lost,” exactly, but I’d never seen it before and a quickie YouTube search of “herman cain bill clinton” reveals nothing on point until Green uploaded this yesterday. He writes, “If this video goes viral among conservative activists, Cain’s candidacy will be even more interesting to watch.” Let’s see what we can do about that.

This takes awhile to get hopping but stick with it for his rebuttal to Clinton at around five minutes in. You’re not watching for fireworks here — the two are perfectly polite — and, really, you’re not even watching for the economic substance of their dispute about payroll costs and health insurance. This clip will end up being used by Cain’s campaign as evidence of his foresight and his conservative authenticity, with Romney the prime target of the contrast. I don’t see Cain raising his profile enough to make a real dent in the field, but having this ad in rotation will only brighten the spotlight on Mitt’s record by implication. Tough stuff, Romneyites!


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Palin/Cain 2012?

alwaysfiredup on January 18, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Tough stuff, Romneyites!

Indeed.

steebo77 on January 18, 2011 at 5:09 PM

You know who this doesn’t help?

Cicero43 on January 18, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Cain deserves a look from “true conservatives”, especially since all the professional Republican pols were last week proven cowardly in their refusal to defend SP. SP looks for someone to crown as king. Why not Herman Cain? He is the other outsider. The two of them would make a formidable ticket.

exdeadhead on January 18, 2011 at 5:12 PM

I had read about this but not seen it yet.

jimmy the notable on January 18, 2011 at 5:13 PM

The guy ran a pizza company.

I love pizza.

catmman on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Cain… looking better and better.

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Articulate and clean enough for Biden?

SirGawain on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

And that’s how you pwn a Democrat.

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Palin/Cain 2012?

alwaysfiredup on January 18, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Cain/Palin ’12

mfrantom on January 18, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Not a teleprompter in sight!!!

jdpaz on January 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM

I love pizza.

catmman on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

But Pizza kills, just like Palin. Which might actually make a good campaign slogan. Something like “Vote Palin/Pizza 2012 and give a liberal a heart attack.”

steebo77 on January 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM

The guy ran a pizza company.

I love pizza.

catmman on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I was actually thinking Cain/Shilling 2012, the Pizza party

ConservativePartyNow on January 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM

The more conservatives we can get to run for Republican office, the better.

Herman Cain is a great addition to an already conservative growing party.

Out with Rinos.

In with Conservatives!

portlandon on January 18, 2011 at 5:20 PM

You know who this doesn’t help?

Cicero43 on January 18, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Hugh Hewitt’s advertisers.

KingGold on January 18, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Cain is the only one that has given a serious sign that he’s running, but I’d have to say he’s (from what I’ve read) probably the most intelligent potential candidate (in both parties). So, yes, Romney and TPaw hardest hit …

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t they try State Controlled Health Care somewhere in New England? I think it was in Mittachusetts if I am not mittstaken.

Now what governor implemitted that plan and how did it work out? Anyone out there know?

Geochelone on January 18, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Damn, whether they were true or not, Clinton knew his facts. Not like Uhhbama.

jimmy the notable on January 18, 2011 at 5:21 PM

You know who this doesn’t help?

Cicero43 on January 18, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Janeane Garofalo?

canditaylor68 on January 18, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Damn, whether they were true or not, Clinton knew his facts. Not like Uhhbama.

jimmy the notable on January 18, 2011 at 5:21 PM

True… and he still got his arse handed to him … still, gotta give Clinton some credit… Let’s put it this way, Obama makes Bill Clinton look like the genius the democrats used to claim he was.

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM

And that’s how you pwn a Democrat.

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:17 PM

But pwn’ing them with their own words on youtube is teh bomb!

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Maybe Cain/West? We need men like this to debate Obama and open the eyes of the black community to the ignorance perpetuated on them by the Democratic Party. I see these two men as the catalyst to do this. Hispanic vote? Why not the black vote behind Cain/West 2012!

milemarker2020 on January 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM

It was funny to see Bill Clinton get corrected on his figures, It was one time he looked (and is) a fool.

grapeknutz on January 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Let’s put it this way, Obama makes Bill Clinton look like the genius the democrats used to claim he was.

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:23 PM

He did indeed get his it handed to him. And yeah, Obama sure makes him look smart. At least he had the balls to take a critical question that wasn’t prepped.

jimmy the notable on January 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Was the pizza company Little Caesars? If so then I won’t vote for Cain….that pizza is an abomination.

Bishop on January 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Thank Joshua Green of the Atlantic, who recently profiled Cain, for digging this up.
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Must be a Vulcan Mind-Meld Thingy!!!!

O/T
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Herman Cain vs Bill Clinton on Health Care Reform
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Here’s a video via Draft Herman Cain on Facebook of Herman Cain when he was CEO of Godfather Pizza and Bill Clinton discussing health care reform and its potential effects on small businesses. This is what first bring the name Herman Cain to national conservatives’ attention:

Bill Clinton,deer caught in the headlight moment(5:45 Min.
mark).

http://race42012.com/2011/01/17/herman-cain-vs-bill-clinton-on-health-care-reform/

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:17 AM

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Was the pizza company Little Caesars? If so then I won’t vote for Cain….that pizza is an abomination.

Bishop on January 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Godfathers Pizza. And Cain is the best I’ve seen so far.

Knucklehead on January 18, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I was actually thinking Cain/Shilling 2012, the Pizza party

ConservativePartyNow on January 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Saint Godfather’s Pizza? Godfather Giuseppe’s Pizza?

We make our own dough? It could be a winner?!

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:28 PM

But pwn’ing them with their own words on youtube is teh bomb!

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Unfortunately, Obama doesn’t have any of his own words. Stringing together some letters … what do you get KORPZMAAN!

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Look for Bill Clinton at the (5:45 minute mark),
when Cain looks perplexed,and blows Bubbas line
of reason out of da water,

Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:29 PM

He did indeed get his it handed to him. And yeah, Obama sure makes him look smart. At least he had the balls to take a critical question that wasn’t prepped.

jimmy the notable on January 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM

There was some Slick Willying … you can see it with the jokes … but at the end of the day, Clinton walked away at least showing some respect to the man… can we say the same about the Diapered President?

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I was actually thinking Cain/Shilling 2012, the Pizza party

ConservativePartyNow on January 18, 2011 at 5:19 PM
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Saint Godfather’s Pizza? Godfather Giuseppe’s Pizza?

We make our own dough? It could be a winner?!

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:28 PM

upinak:And it goes good with the Tea Party too,crap,I mean
with a cup of tea,ah….pizza I mean!!:)

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM

(Cain looks perplexed,),

Oops,make that when Bubba looks perplexed!

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:32 PM

upinak:And it goes good with the Tea Party too,crap,I mean
with a cup of tea,ah….pizza I mean!!:)

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM

I think godfathers was the first ones to try a dessert pizza.

Tea and a cinnamon slice could work.

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Not gonna lie…that clip makes me miss Clinton. He just completely picked the guy apart. Obama can do the same thing, but he doesn’t have the ability to win over the audience like Clinton could.

crr6 on January 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Cain… looking better and better.

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

upinak: True Dat:)

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:35 PM

And I thought the best part was at the end when Cain points out the flaws in Crony Capitalism. Basically saying that the biggest (not always the best) will survive when the gov’t over regulates, over taxes, over “stimulates”, &c. He gets it. It would be great seeing him run.

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:35 PM

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:31 PM
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I think godfathers was the first ones to try a dessert pizza.

Tea and a cinnamon slice could work.

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:33 PM

upinak:Sounds nummy!:)

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Not gonna lie…that clip makes me miss Clinton. He just completely picked the guy apart. Obama can do the same thing, but he doesn’t have the ability to win over the audience like Clinton could.

crr6 on January 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Confirmation bias!!!!11!1! Or something.

steebo77 on January 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM

He gets it. It would be great seeing him run.

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Welcome to the Dark sise, Meaty. Take a slice and watch people freak da heck out about Cain in the coming yr or so.

upinak on January 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Tough stuff, Romneyites!

O.o

I thought you were a Romney supporter, AP. o.O

KinleyArdal on January 18, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Forget ever having a discussion like that with democrat today.

Business owner: Under this plan, we’ll go broke covering everyone.

Democrat: So?

darwin on January 18, 2011 at 5:38 PM

A beautiful conversation between a business man and a politician with the politician not know what he was talking about and only babbling percentages and numbers like they all do to someone who lives those numbers and percentages. To get out of the conversation Bill says to Herman send me a copy of your calculations I’m interested in this. Did you see the look on Bills face when he knew Herman knew what he was talking about. Priceless!

mixplix on January 18, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Mr. Cain is very articulate and respectful. I can’t wait to see him enter the Republican mix. Mr. Cain also brings up an important point about the staying power of his larger competitors. Specifically, they can absorb the costs for longer, forcing smaller companies to raise prices sooner and, likely, be forced out of the market sooner. One of the countless unintended consequences never factored in by the liberal geniuses who concoct all these schemes. To make matters worse, the starting place for costs of these programs is always a big fat lie.
 
As far as Bill Clinton, like other liberals, he goes on to tell Mr. Cain that his informed business calculations are not correct–as if he had a clue about how to run a restaurant chain. Like all liberals when faced with the facts, move to sweep the objections under the rug.

ClanDerson on January 18, 2011 at 5:40 PM

The first totally black president?

davidk on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Palin/West/2012

Palin/Cain/2012

Either way,Cain/West,will be in the 2012 Administration somewhere…hopefully!!

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Sorry, I think he needs to pay his dues first. Mayor, governor, etc. Pizza CEO and radio host to POTUS? I don’t think so.

Common Sense on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

The first totally black president?

davidk on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Someone at Mitt Romney Central told me that Herman Cain was born in Zanzibar…

steebo77 on January 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Clinton had a losing hand, but played it fairly well. Put Obama in the same situation and he would wither.

flyfisher on January 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM

The first totally black president?

davidk on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

davidK:Millions of Progressive heads have just exploded!!

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Cain is an African American; not a Halfrican American.

In other words Cain comes with toppings over the whole pizza; not just half.

Geochelone on January 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Sorry, I think he needs to pay his dues first. Mayor, governor, etc. Pizza CEO and radio host to POTUS? I don’t think so.

Common Sense on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Read his bio. He’s the real deal.

davidk on January 18, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Someone at Mitt Romney Central told me that Herman Cain was born in Zanzibar…

steebo77 on January 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM

So is he natural born?

alwaysfiredup on January 18, 2011 at 5:53 PM

From his website:

I was raised in Atlanta, Georgia by loving and hardworking parents. We grew up poor, but we grew up happy. Things weren’t always easy, but my mom and dad knew that if they kept their faith in God, faith in themselves and their faith in the greatest country in the world, they, too, could achieve their American Dream.

That dream, we discovered, was for my parents to own their own home and watch their two sons graduate from college. Those dreams required that my father work three jobs to support our family.

The first dream was realized in a brick home on Albert Street. I can still recall the excitement of the day, as he surprised us—even my mother—when he drove us to our new home.

Their second dream was realized when I proudly accepted my degree in mathematics from Morehouse College in 1967 and my brother graduated from Morris Brown College. Both of my father’s American Dreams were achieved. Now, I set off to achieve mine.
</blockquote

What? No subprime loan? Work three jobs?

davidk on January 18, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Herman Cain is the left’s worst nightmare whether they realize it or not.

I signed up I suggest you do as well: http://hermancain.com/

Theworldisnotenough on January 18, 2011 at 5:55 PM

canopfor on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Cain/Pawlenty 2012

Theworldisnotenough on January 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Wow, this clip is very impressive. Cain had all of the facts, commanding presence, etc. Very impressive.

Actually it makes me miss Clinton, too. Clinton relished the job and loved the interaction. Obummer just wants to be adored and have the trappings of office, but doesn’t like the day to day mundane mechanics of governing.

Those were the days.

With Cain in the field, the debates will be stepped up a notch or 2. Thanks for this clip.

karenhasfreedom on January 18, 2011 at 5:59 PM

He obviously is not afraid to take it to them:

Quite honestly Mr. President, your calculations are incorrect. In the competitive marketplace, it simply doesn’t work that way.

davidk on January 18, 2011 at 5:59 PM

The guy ran a pizza company.

I love pizza.

catmman on January 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM

…and Bammie ran … nothing.

Ever.

slickwillie2001 on January 18, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Not gonna lie…that clip makes me miss Clinton. He just completely picked the guy apart. Obama can do the same thing, but he doesn’t have the ability to win over the audience like Clinton could.

crr6 on January 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Shouldn’t you be studying instead of dreaming?

Tim Zank on January 18, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Not gonna lie…that clip makes me miss Clinton. He just completely picked the guy apart. Obama can do the same thing, but he doesn’t have the ability to win over the audience like Clinton could.

crr6 on January 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Shouldn’t you be studying instead of dreaming?

Tim Zank on January 18, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Yep.

crr6 on January 18, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Cain is an African American; not a Halfrican American.

In other words Cain comes with toppings over the whole pizza; not just half.

Geochelone on January 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Mr. Cain is a U.S. American. Period.

crr6 is still delusional.

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I just love it when Democrats say “What’s the problem? Just raise your prices.” They understand the effect of companys raising prices about as much as they understand the effect of a government raising taxes.

Of course if pizza prices rose, even if they rose across the board, people would eat out less. Clinton making a joke about that really ticked me off.

29Victor on January 18, 2011 at 6:14 PM

If the Rs had any brains they’d show this video in the current debates, ahead of the repeal vote.

It’s all about jobs, stupid. The job topic will ultimately make or break Obama.

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Not gonna lie…that clip makes me miss Clinton. He just completely picked the guy apart. Obama can do the same thing, but he doesn’t have the ability to win over the audience like Clinton could.

crr6 on January 18, 2011 at 5:34 PM

He didn’t “pick the guy apart,” he threw up a bunch of numbers, make some jokes and told Cain that raising his prices wouldn’t affect his business. Then he made all nicey-nice and asked him to send him the numbers, the same thing anyone who had read any kind of management book would do. When someone disagrees with you, listen to them, ask them to “send you the numbers” and then ignore them. Clinton had thousands of business owners telling him this exact same thing, you think he didn’t already know the numbers?

You’re obviously easily won over by a charismatic character. That explains a lot.

29Victor on January 18, 2011 at 6:20 PM

At around 7 did someone whisper something into Clinton’s ears…when he rolled his eyes and nodded?

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2011 at 6:23 PM

what if they held a republican primary and only the pizza guy came?

sesquipedalian on January 18, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Cain/Pawlenty 2012

Theworldisnotenough on January 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM

That’s what I’m talkin about!

ReformedAndDangerous on January 18, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Yes, Bite Me, Cain is clean … and articulate.

In fact, I’ve found his ability to articulate conservative principles and positions unmatched by any of the other possible contenders, including my Sarah. Add to that his extremely successful business background and his ability to relate to the average Joe and Judy in a quite entertaining and friendly fashion, and I see a winner. ✪

TXUS on January 18, 2011 at 6:30 PM

I have no idea who I might vote for if it was Sarah or Herman. Both are true American’s who love our Republic. If both was on the ticket, it would be the dream ticket, IMO. I love them both.
L

letget on January 18, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Damn, whether they were true or not, Clinton knew his facts. Not like Uhhbama.

jimmy the notable on January 18, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Exactly what I noticed. Obama is an empty suit whose entire candidacy is based on fooling a large percentage of the population. Thankfully it was for a short period of time and most people see him for the fake he is.

csdeven on January 18, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Billy Jeff got thumped by that rebuttal.

ted c on January 18, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Clinton’s answer: You and your competitors simply raise the price of your product to cover the extra costs of health care. If we like your product (and we do like pizza by the way), we would pay it.

See? Leftists think that answer applies across the board, regardless of what business or industry is forced to comply. I’ve heard that response a million times.

nottakingsides on January 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Thankfully it was for a short period of time and most people see him for the fake he is.

csdeven on January 18, 2011 at 6:52 PM

54% are his positive ratings, after AZ. Not so sure on your statement. If the people fall for his charlatanry twice, they deserve him fully.

Schadenfreude on January 18, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Sorry, I think he needs to pay his dues first. Mayor, governor, etc. Pizza CEO and radio host to POTUS? I don’t think so.

Common Sense on January 18, 2011 at 5:41 PM

*raises eyebrow

You know, I find this slightly ironic coming from someone called “Common Sense.” I don’t buy into the whole, “They need executive experience!!!” argument; however, Cain has that. Now you’re saying he hasn’t wallowed in corruption long enough or something? I mean, since when do we require that the leader of the Free World “pay his/her dues” by participating in … BUREAUCRATIC GOVERNMENT?

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Wow, I’m impressed.

Herman Cain handled himself very well in that clip. Once the debate really got going, and Cain started to re-butt the arguments for HilaryCare he took the debate and ran home with it. Clinton was totally dominated. My goodness if Herman Cain can do that to Bill Clinton at his prime, Obama doesn’t have a chance.

Well that is if he gets the nomination. It is too early to say whether or not Cain has a chance yet, in my opinion. But this is one candidate I will observe with great interest.

Shogun144 on January 18, 2011 at 7:46 PM

This clip will end up being used by Cain’s campaign as evidence of his foresight and his conservative authenticity, with Romney the prime target of the contrast.

Yet, it won’t work. Romney also opposed HillaryCare.

Hillary Clinton during the Clinton Administration tried to enact a national health care plan but failed. She tried to revive her efforts as a Senator of New York.

Conservative Samizdat on January 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Yet, it won’t work. Romney also opposed HillaryCare.

Conservative Samizdat on January 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Is it time to pop out the John Kerry D-Mass Flip Flops?

MeatHeadinCA on January 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM

I live in Atlanta and have listened to the Herman Cain show for…. well as long as I can remember. Cain is a good…no great man and I wish him well.

Mofugger on January 18, 2011 at 8:02 PM

I love this! Maybe Romney can speak on Tuesday afternoon about 2:30pm during the convention.

SouthernGent on January 18, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Never heard of Cain before this, but he sounds good.

Bubba looks like Elvis! Nice hair, dude.

PattyJ on January 18, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Cain/Rubio 12!

Nelsen on January 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Look, please let us Georgians make up for Jimmy Carter with Herman Cain! I haven’t always seen eye-to-eye with Herman, but I never doubted his honest intents. ATL, represent!

di butler on January 18, 2011 at 10:19 PM

but I’d never seen it before

Are you kidding? And you are still going to claim you are a conservative? I’ve been waiting since 1994 for Herman Cain to run for president. If the idiot republicans had a clue and didn’t believe in nominating whomever declares “shotgun!”, Hermain Cain would have already been the first black president.

peacenprosperity on January 18, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Cain/Christie 2012

The alliteration ticket!!!

CC that to your good buddies…

mockmook on January 18, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Cain/Pawlenty 2012
Theworldisnotenough on January 18, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Obviously you didn’t see the phony, weak dupilicitous pawlenty get slapped around by chris wallace Sunday morning.

peacenprosperity on January 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM

Herman Cain would be the best Republican candidate in a LONG time. Here in Atlanta we can tell you the best candidate from Georgia ain’t named Newt.

therambler on January 19, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I remember watching this live and cheering for Cain, he made Bubba look like the never-owned-a-business demonrat that he is.

Tony737 on January 19, 2011 at 9:05 AM

This MIGHT go viral, if whoever posted it hadn’t disabled embedding. Being forced to click out of a site that I’m already on is annoying and I usually don’t bother. Why do people do this? Oivey.

Jewels on January 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Cain/McCain 2012?

j/k

Red State State of Mind on January 19, 2011 at 6:01 PM