Bill Maher to tea partiers: The Founding Fathers would’ve hated your guts

posted at 10:20 am on January 15, 2011 by Michael van der Galien

Talk show host Bill Maher once again displayed his ignorance for America’s history and founding by telling Tea Partiers that the Founding Fathers would have “hated” their “guts.”

As you’d come to expect from Maher he constantly referred to members of the Tea Party as “teabaggers” – which would probably be an insult coming from virtually everybody else. When Maher uses this word, however, the Tea Party should wear it as a badge of honor.

Next he told Tea Partiers that the Founding Fathers were “nothing like them.” No, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, George Washington and all the others were profoundly different. How? Here comes Maher:

Now, I want you teabaggers out there to understand one thing: while you idolize the Founding Fathers and dress up  like them, and smell like them, I think it’s pretty clear that the Founding Fathers would have hated  your guts. And what’s more, you would’ve hated them. They were everything you despise. They studied science, read Plato, hung out in Paris, and thought the Bible was mostly bullshit.

Video (via Mediaite):

I hate to break it to you, Bill, but the majority of the Founding Fathers were religious. And those who weren’t orthodox in their beliefs, at least had a healthy respect and appreciation for religion. They didn’t want to force others to believe as they did – certainly – but they respected religion, and the Bible, nonetheless. Even those more critical, such as Thomas Jefferson, believed the Bible contained important lessons – lessons wise men should take to heart. There may have been a few, like Thomas Paine, who held religion in less high esteem, but they were the minority, not the majority.

Furthermore, unlike what Maher seems to believe, the Founding Fathers weren’t big fans of a welfare state. At all. In fact, they considered the government the greatest potential threat to freedom. They understood that an intrusive, activist state always limits a people’s freedom. That’s why they wrote the Constitution in the first place: they wanted to guarantee Americans specific rights, the government could not take away.

The Tea Party continues this tradition. They too stand for individual liberty, over collectivism and social engineering. They want the government to get out of the people’s business – out of their health care and out of their pockets. If there’s one thing they demand, it’s to be left alone to live their lives as they please. Not as it pleases Maher and other cocky liberals who mess up their own lives in virtually every respect, but who nonetheless believe it’s up to them to tell others how to live.

Perhaps that Maher can do what he seems to value so much – get a good education – before spouting his mouth off again about things he has little to no knowledge of. If not, he’d do us all a favor if he’d just keep his deliberately humiliating mouth shut.

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In Original Intentions Bradford goes on to quote from various primary source documents to make his case.

Bradford cites writings and activities of (this is not an exhaustive list) Patrick Henry, John Jay, George Mason, General William Livingston, Edmund Pendleton, Elias Boudinot, Roger Sherman, Richard Bassett, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Abraham Baldwin, Luther Martin, John Dickinson, Alexander Hamilton, David Brearly, William Samuel Johnson, John Witherspoon and William Few.

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Bradford:

….But before going further let us examine the biographical evidence and only then ask what we may infer from it concerning religion and the origins of the Republic.
Of course, the most unmistakable Christian evidence of orthodoxy comes in references made by the Framers to Jesus Christ as Redeemer and Son of God. These are commonplace in their private papers, correspondence, and public remarks—and in the early records of their lives. As a sample of such piety we should include the ars moriendi as practiced by Patrick Henry and the parting admonitions preserved in the wills of John Jay and George Mason. [he cites samples] …unwaveringly orthodox George Mason of Virginia bids his children farewell by declaring “My soul I resign into the hands of my Almighty Creator, whose tender mercy’s are all over His works,…thro the merits of my blessed Savior for a remission of sins.”

Such declarations are so frequent in the papers of the Framers as to belie the now familiar theory that our Republic came into being in a moment of absolute tolerance, or religious neutrality qua indifference or deistic rationalism embraced by most of the leaders of England’s erstwhile colonies in North America. And not all of this evidence is relegated to wills or very private documents…

The variety of surviving Christian witness in the papers and sayings of the Framers is indeed astonishing.

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:44 PM

I pull these quotes out every now and then when people like Maher spout off or commenters like MrX try to perpetuate their meme.

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Thanks INC. Guys like Maher think we’re like him and know NOTHING about history.

itsspideyman on January 15, 2011 at 7:49 PM

itsspideyman on January 15, 2011 at 7:49 PM

You’re welcome.

It’s safe to presume his fans don’t!

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Maher gets more page space on right blogs than anywhere else. If it weren’t for Hot Air, I would probably never hear a word he says. Why is that? Why do places like Hot Air give him a wider audience than he already has? Why not just do what 90% of the rest of the sites on the internet (both Left and Right) do, ignore him.

crosspatch on January 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM

crosspatch on January 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM

I don’t know. I’d like to see less Maher and the rest of the usual suspects (Parker, et al.)–but Maher has to be at the bottom.

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:54 PM

MX said: “Jefferson for example HATED Christianity. Despised it with all his being.”

It’s strange for a man to cut out the teachings of Jesus (the Jefferson Bible) to facilitate educating the Indians and to attend churhc service AT THE CAPITOL to hate it with all his being. No?

So, whom do I beleive? You? Or Jefferson’s actions and historical record?

DWB on January 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM

You should research WHY he wrote it and WHAT was left in as well as what was left out. It’s not what you think it is. Take a look at what Benjamin Franklin thought about religion as well. He was a proponent of religion, but admitted to being a Deist. He also did not believe in the divinity of Jesus (this is also true of many of the Founding Fathers). It’s ironic considering that most religions treated him as one of their own.

If people want to say the Founding Fathers were mostly religious, then I’ll gladly concede the point. But be careful if you look at exactly what these “religions” were. In this respect, Bill Maher was correct, you would not like what they believed in.

People above have commented about John Adams and other Founding Fathers to try and counter what I said. I’m afraid those commenters need to go back and look at exactly what it was those Founding Fathers believed in. Just sayin’.

MrX on January 15, 2011 at 7:55 PM

I, for one, think the Founders would cheer on today’s Tea Parties as they ask, What took you so long?

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:55 PM

commenters like MrX try to perpetuate their meme.

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Perpetuate what meme? I tend to agree with most of what the Tea Party stands for and am generally supportive of Right wing ideals. However, I will disagree with certain things and am not pushing any meme. I’ve never commented on religion on Hot Air EVER before today.

MrX on January 15, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I never got the pile-on by the GOP on O’Donnell. Maher was behind it.

He’s a very immature man, in my opinion.

AnninCA on January 15, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I, for one, think the Founders would cheer on today’s Tea Parties as they ask, What took you so long?

INC on January 15, 2011 at 7:55 PM

I agree 100%.

(Apologies for posting several times in a row.)

MrX on January 15, 2011 at 8:01 PM

MrX on January 15, 2011 at 8:00 PM

The religious views of the Founders.

I don’t know if you missed my comments on the previous page–they’re at the bottom.

INC on January 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Why does Maher even have a political voice on the national stage? The guy is a half-ass comedian with a distorted view on everything. Since when does that resume’ make someone relevant with regard to serious matters? CNN always turns to this clown after significant breaking news. Doesn’t that just drag the whole network down to Maher’s level?

joedoe on January 15, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Maher is just plain stupid. The Founding Fathers, according to Maher, would have wanted us to love higher taxation, out of control spending, porkulus bills and a Prez that bows to foreign rulers. What kinda junk is he on?

clnurnberg on January 15, 2011 at 8:09 PM

What a disgusting man.

wi farmgirl on January 15, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Well, I hear that Rush played, “I shot the sheriff,” today. At least someone on Huffpo reported that.

shock jocks are just that…..

AnninCA on January 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM

MrX on January 15, 2011 at 7:55 PM

“It’s not what you think it is.”

Having read it, please interpret what I think it is. Incredible.

“you would not like what they believed in.”

Freedom of religion?

Having touched on Jefferson, Franklin, and even Paine, what about the rest of the founders? Benjamin Rush? Sam Adams? Why cherry pick quotes from just a few? Or would the rest destroy the premise?

Lastly, why did Congress approve and recommend a Bible? Why did they want it taught in schools? http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=46

DWB on January 15, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Why does anyone any any attention to Maher? He has no audience. Even OlberWho has more viewers…Put another way, if a pundit without an audience says something stupid, was anything really said?

JIMV on January 15, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Bill, the founders would have thrown you overboard like a bad box of tea.

Kini on January 15, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Two words; “Rat Boy.”

Star20 on January 15, 2011 at 9:33 PM

My guess is that the Founding Fathers would have thought Sarah Palin was hot … in more ways than one.

bw222 on January 15, 2011 at 9:41 PM

It’s better to remain silent than be thought a fool than to be Bill Maher and remove all doubt.

Hey Bill, I’d rather be a teabagger than get f***ed by Obama.

Pcoop on January 15, 2011 at 10:12 PM

They studied science, read Plato, hung out in Paris, and thought the Bible was mostly bullshit.
Maher has most definitely studied little science, read no Plato, knows nothing about the Bible, but most probably has hung out in Paris more than is perhaps good for him.
Evil will out and Maher will with it, mark my words. The man will implode in a most horrendous fashion, just you watch! Matter of time ….

Sherman1864 on January 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Damn civil of you, Billy Boy.

If it weren’t for bitterness you’d have no shtick…nothing.

Your days as a one-trick pony “pseudo-comic” are nearing an end as you move from the B-list to the C-List…D-List?

Wonder why?

Lenny Bruce. You are parroting his shtick chapter and verse. You were once “funny” now you’ve devolved to the certifiable.

If a “comic” ain’t funny, he is no longer a comic, right?

Perhaps another career field outside the public view would be of benefit to you? Janitor? Sewer worker? Something else similar, something a step up from your present status?

coldwarrior on January 15, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Bill Maher gets his every comment whined about in righty blogs and woo hooed in lefty blogs, so mission accomplished.

Whether it is factual or not doesn’t really matter.

Moesart on January 15, 2011 at 10:58 PM

This person is a pathetic example of a male. He’s rude, he snipes, he interrupts, he looks down his nose, he pauses for applause, he’s bitter, and he has no original ideas (kind of like most of the libs in existence). Nailed the description, didn’t I? And I didn’t even watch. That’s how old his schtick is.

Come to think of it bitter, rude, holier-than-thou people don’t appeal to many outside of their own group, unless they are snickering like that old cartoon of the two idiots, Beavis and Butthead. Another thought – BEAVIS AND BUTTHEAD NEED A KING. I DEEM HIM “MAHER”. I’m sure he’ll take it as a compliment.

Yellowdog12 on January 15, 2011 at 11:15 PM

If the Founding Fathers would hate the TEA Party so much, just like Maher, how come liberals like Maher hate the document they wrote? If the FFs were so liberal and enlightened, how come liberals want to shred the Constitution?

For being an open-minded, enlightened lib, Maher sure is narrow-minded about those with whom he disagrees (i.e. claiming that we’re not into science or Plato).

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2011 at 11:26 PM

I suspect that Bill Maher does not know who his “founding father” is: hence the animosity.

landlines on January 16, 2011 at 12:03 AM

Maher..please. The FF have to doing tornadoes in their graves over what has happened to this country.

CWforFreedom on January 16, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Maher is a jerkoff. Period.

Ward Cleaver on January 16, 2011 at 1:17 AM

He’s just trying to help cool the divisive atmosphere of modern-political rhetoric…

After all, only us conservatives controversial or combative.
Didn’t you get the MSM memo?

PS
——————————————–
Maher is a jerkoff. Period.

Ward Cleaver on January 16, 2011 at 1:17 AM
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YEP!

Now let’s never mention this jerk again.

shorebird on January 16, 2011 at 1:26 AM

He’s just trying to help cool the divisive atmosphere of modern-political rhetoric…

After all, only us conservatives are controversial or combative.
Didn’t you get the MSM memo?

PS
——————————————–
Maher is a jerkoff. Period.

Ward Cleaver on January 16, 2011 at 1:17 AM
——————————————–

YEP!

Now let’s never mention this jerk again.

shorebird on January 16, 2011 at 1:27 AM

This may have already been said, but Maher is just the latest in a long line of allegedly-intellectual people who have revealed they have ZERO clue about the true intent/meaning of the “3/5th’s Clause.” It was to begin the END of slavery in America. What a fool.

If anyone watched the show last night, I would assume they too had to rinse their ears & eyes out after listening not only to Maher, but even worse was the mental midget, Chrystia Freeland. This woman used to work for the Financial Times, but no longer does…I wonder why. /sarc

MsUnderestimated on January 16, 2011 at 2:38 AM

If the Founding Fathers would hate the TEA Party so much, just like Maher, how come liberals like Maher hate the document they wrote? If the FFs were so liberal and enlightened, how come liberals want to shred the Constitution?

what are you talking about? who told you that stuff?
is there any reason for a blanket, dumb statement such as that? if so, please elaborate.

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 2:58 AM

This is a classic example of belligerent ignorance. It’s breathtaking to witness and utterly impossible to reason with.

Renwaa on January 16, 2011 at 4:14 AM

You should have posted the pic of his disgraceful costume where he mocked “The Crocodile Hunter’s” death by a stingray.

ProudPalinFan on January 16, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Lefty Nutcase, Encouraged by Left-Wing Hate Speech, Threatens Tea Party Leader at Town Hall Meeting: “You’re Dead!”

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/tucson-shooting-victim-attends-town-hall-and-tells-tea-party-speaker-youre-dead/

His “profile” on “Hypnothoughts”

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profile/JamesEricFuller

mountainaires on January 16, 2011 at 8:33 AM

Canada gets weird again …

Last week’s ruling by the private radio regulator Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) to ban a Dire Straits song is “chilling” and effectively puts rock radio stations on notice, claims a longtime music industry expert.

Former Billboard Canadian bureau chief and current CelebrityAccess senior editor Larry LeBlanc says the fallout from banning Canadian private radio stations from airing the unedited version of the 1985 hit “Money For Nothing” — specifically for its repeated mention of the word “faggot” in a verse of the song — could resonate with music programmers for some time to come.

… well this may explain why MTV doesn’t have videos any more.

J_Crater on January 16, 2011 at 8:35 AM

There are few people in this world I truly hate. I hate the concept. Bill Maher is the poster boy of hate.

mike_NC9 on January 16, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Maher uses insult instead of reason, is vulgar beyond description, believes that the government should pay for everyone’s health care and limit their personal freedom for the public good. No doubt, the founding fathers would have absolutely idolized him.

morganfrost on January 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM

If Maher had been around in the colonies during the Revolution, he probably would have been hanged.

zoyclem on January 16, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Well, I hear that Rush played, “I shot the sheriff,” today. At least someone on Huffpo reported that.

shock jocks are just that…..

AnninCA on January 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Shock jocks as compared to propagating something posted from someone on Huffpo? You have hit a new low.

Wade on January 16, 2011 at 9:49 AM

There must be a journolist going on about the Founders because last night SNL’s weekend update went after the 2nd Amendment.

http://origin-www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/update-favorites-11511/1270068

long_cat on January 16, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Shock jocks as compared to propagating something posted from someone on Huffpo? You have hit a new low.

Wade on January 16, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Just chit-chat on Sat. night. I don’t know if Rush played that or not. I have definitely heard him more than once say outrageous stuff. It’s part of his schtick, and he’s the best at it, in my opinion.

But my point was that Maher is always sophomoric, at best. I was truly surprised to see that some GOPers didn’t defend Christine O’Donnell more. He was the one who sunk her, along with Rove, of course.

He’s obviously expressing something that people like, or he’d be ignored. I personally never pay too much attention to him. He’s too superficial and immature.

AnninCA on January 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Oops, too late Bill.

gordo on January 16, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Tea Party Nation leader responded to this by saying the founders would have hated Bill Maher.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/tea-party-nation-leader-founding-fathers-would-have-hated-bill-maher

jdawg on January 16, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Talk about a fundamental ignorance of history. This is the same guy who will call Sarah Palin dumb, but this is possibly one of the most unintelligent things ever said about the founders. He should be ripped apart by every thinking person and historian on the planet.

The blind, hateful, empty headed idiocy of Maher has finally made him totally irrelevant.

alecj on January 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Maher, Olbermann and Michael Moore need to just get a room with an Obama doll and get their self love on in private.

cntrlfrk on January 16, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Does there become a time when posts about his fool become irrelevant?

Wade on January 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM

If Bill Maher was alive during the Founding Fathers era he would still be living in England working at his job powdering wigs.

albill on January 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM

This d-bag actually thinks they would like him and Jenean Garoffolo…lol.

pageram on January 16, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Yeah Mahr. You’re just the one that would have that exclusive inside look, into the minds of the founding Fathers. Get a grip.

You don’t even know what a joke you’ve become, and you have the credibility to make a statement like this?

ROFLMAO!!!

capejasmine on January 16, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Bill, regale us again with your belief that mentally retarded children are no different than dogs.

emerson7 on January 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Mahr does know hate.

Audiculous or whatever your name is…back under your bridge sheesh.

CWforFreedom on January 16, 2011 at 12:30 PM

And he thinks I care about his opinion why?

ladyingray on January 16, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Read this and don’t let the Mahers of the world deter you. Otherwise pay the deserved price of being foold for a second time.

Schadenfreude on January 16, 2011 at 12:45 PM

foold = fooled

Schadenfreude on January 16, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Bill, regale us again with your belief that mentally retarded children are no different than dogs.

emerson7 on January 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Yeah. I heard an exhausted parent once mention that at least the family dog was house-broken, followed the sit-stay commands perfectly, and would come when you called it. (I suppose the last two can apply even to normal kids!)

Dark-Star on January 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM

My guess is the Founding Fathers would consider Bill Maher a midget a-hole.

bw222 on January 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Honestly – why does anyone give this moronic, self absorbed, pitiful, little libtard the time of day?

He’s obviously border-line retarded – would you publish the musings of a homeless schizo who yells at passers-by on the streets? It’s pretty much the same thing.

Tim_CA on January 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Hey Bill,

I hate to break it to you but any male that isn’t a flaccid, self absorbed nancy boy hates you. You don’t even have to open your mouth to make me want to punch you. Go buy a few women at the trendy club and try to imagine what it’s like to be a man for an hour or two. The Founding Fathers would find your historical illiteracy and arrogance appalling.

austinnelly on January 16, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Any chance of getting this guy’s face off the top of the left column at HA? My eyes are starting to hurt.

ANV on January 16, 2011 at 3:41 PM

ANV imagine if he and Kathy Griffin procreated.

CWforFreedom on January 16, 2011 at 4:21 PM

ANV imagine if he and Kathy Griffin procreated.

CWforFreedom on January 16, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Imagine a Maher-Griffin-Grayson sandwich ~~~

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2011 at 4:28 PM

imagine if he and Kathy Griffin procreated.

CWforFreedom

some people’s fantasies need not be shared.

You’ve now put yourself alongside Rex Ryan

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 4:33 PM

How long will it take you to learn you are passing a whore house, and there’s no love going on inside.

J_Crater on January 16, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Take a look at what Benjamin Franklin thought about religion as well. He was a proponent of religion, but admitted to being a Deist. He also did not believe in the divinity of Jesus (this is also true of many of the Founding Fathers). It’s ironic considering that most religions treated him as one of their own.

If people want to say the Founding Fathers were mostly religious, then I’ll gladly concede the point. But be careful if you look at exactly what these “religions” were. In this respect, Bill Maher was correct, you would not like what they believed in.

You’re probably right that while the Founding Fathers were religious, it was a “liberal” form of Christian belief far-removed from the established norms of its time.

While it’s fine to take issue with Maher, this isn’t the best fight to pick. In reality, the Fathers were a group of overly-educated intellectuals who quoted other philosophers and intellectuals from Greek and Roman civilizations far more than any religious text. In other words, it’s undoubtedly true that the Fathers would see Palin and other Tea Partiers as boorish illiterates, relatively speaking, and would have no interest in recognizing or responding to their tedious and vapid rhetoric.

bayam on January 16, 2011 at 4:37 PM

How would little pissed off Billy have any idea what our founding fathers would think? As a raving liberal I doubt that he can identify with our Conservative founding fathers in any way.

Keep whining little Billy. As much as liberals hate it, we are still allowed to think differently than you do.

SgtRed on January 16, 2011 at 5:18 PM

In reality, the Fathers were a group of overly-educated intellectuals who quoted other philosophers and intellectuals from Greek and Roman civilizations far more than any religious text. In other words, it’s undoubtedly true that the Fathers would see Palin and other Tea Partiers as boorish illiterates, relatively speaking, and would have no interest in recognizing or responding to their tedious and vapid rhetoric.

bayam on January 16, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Yes, they were very familiar with Greco-Roman literature. How could you say they were “overly” educated? That sounds like a slur. They read their Locke and Blackstone and then put those ideas to work fighting a revolution and founding a country.

While I am no fan of Palin, nor will a recount the reasons here, I will say that Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams would have recognized the Tea Party as their own as much as they would have the Sons of Liberty or the Committees of Correspondence during the Revolution. The Tea Party is a popular expression of disgust with the drift (free fall?) toward statism. The founders would have stood proudly with them.

AshleyTKing on January 16, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Yes, yes, yes, that stuff about the founders being governmental minimalists and mostly religious is all true. But you’re missing the larger point that the founders were smart and good, and the tea party is stupid and evil. That’s the Larger Truth Maher is getting at.

/lols

On a more serious note, what’s it with Maher and his ilk getting all Culture Wars every time he rants about the Tea Party? I’m certain that most Tea Partiers are Christians, but religiosity is hardly a principle of the movement, unless you count refusing to accept the god-state.

HitNRun on January 16, 2011 at 6:11 PM

The founding Fathers would have hung you Bill Maher.

johnnyU on January 16, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Yes, yes, yes, that stuff about the founders being governmental minimalists and mostly religious is all true

no it’s not true.

Hamilton.

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 6:52 PM

no it’s not true.

Hamilton.

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Perhaps you misunderstood my usage of “mostly”.

HitNRun on January 16, 2011 at 7:27 PM

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Ah, I see I only modified “religious” with “mostly.” Very well. Ahem:

The founding fathers were mostly governmental minimalists and mostly religious.

HitNRun on January 16, 2011 at 7:29 PM

no it’s not true.

Hamilton.

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 6:52 PM

* For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests.—Alexander Hamilton o Statement after the Constitutional Convention (1787)

That doesn’t sound like a irreligious man’s Quote.

The larger government the Federalists proposed, was very small by today’s standards.

Slowburn on January 16, 2011 at 7:40 PM

I will say that Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams would have recognized the Tea Party as their own as much as they would have the Sons of Liberty or the Committees of Correspondence during the Revolution. The Tea Party is a popular expression of disgust with the drift (free fall?) toward statism. The founders would have stood proudly with them.

You’re being absurdly selective in choosing and re-purposing singular values of the Founding Fathers that suit your purpose, while missing the larger picture. The Fathers’ fear of rule by the illiterate masses was just as strong and clearly evidenced in the Constitution. The Fathers would have no interest in carrying on a dialogue with someone as poorly educated and relatively ignorant as Sarah Palin and would be aghast at the idea that the electoral college would fail to prevent her from reaching the Presidency.

The Founders included among their own other men and women of similar standing- in terms of intellect, education, and worldly knowledge. To say that the average Tea Party member could reach that level is ludicrous and denigrating to some of the greatest minds to ever live on this earth.

bayam on January 16, 2011 at 10:07 PM

I will say that Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Adams would have recognized the Tea Party as their own as much as they would have the Sons of Liberty or the Committees of Correspondence during the Revolution. The Tea Party is a popular expression of disgust with the drift (free fall?) toward statism. The founders would have stood proudly with them.

You’re being absurdly selective in choosing and re-purposing singular values of the Founding Fathers that suit your purpose, while missing the larger picture. The Fathers’ fear of rule by the illiterate masses was just as strong and clearly evidenced in the Constitution. The Fathers would have no interest in carrying on a dialogue with someone as poorly educated and relatively ignorant as Sarah Palin and would be aghast at the idea that the electoral college would fail to prevent her from reaching the Presidency.

The Founders included among their own other men and women of similar standing- in terms of intellect, education, and worldly knowledge. To say that the average Tea Party member could reach that level is ludicrous and denigrating to some of the greatest minds to ever live on this earth.

bayam on January 16, 2011 at 10:07 PM

You are being absurd. First you say the founders were overly educated. Now you talk as if they pulled off a revolution without popular support. The army Washington commanded in Massachusetts was made up of farmers. I never said the average Tea Party member was the intellectual equal of John Adams. But he would have recognized compatriots in the cause of liberty, whether in the learned or the common man.

AshleyTKing on January 16, 2011 at 10:38 PM

I’d pay to see BM (there’s an appropriate acronym if ever there was one) mouth off like that in front of Andrew Jackson and see what ‘Ole Hickory’ thought of those comments…

Midas on January 16, 2011 at 10:49 PM

This video clip should be used by every conservative candidate running for office in 2012. If I repeated a similar comment, sorry.. I didn’t have time to read the entire thread.

Travis1 on January 16, 2011 at 11:14 PM

My guess is the Founding Fathers would consider Bill Maher a midget a-hole.

bw222 on January 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Nah. They’d consider him a great big one.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM

HitNRun, good fix with the sentence structure, but “government minimalists” for the conditions then doesn’t exactly translate to saying that these conditions would produce an identical governmental minimalism.
Hamilton’s camp was strong then and prevailed shortly. It wasn’t minimalist government at all, though it is fair to say it started as small government for a small population and grew into a national government that grew with changing conditions.

audiculous on January 16, 2011 at 11:38 PM

to the Mahers of this world there is no right or wrong, no black and white…just shades of gray…
That makes it real easy to lie all the time…

Army Brat on January 17, 2011 at 12:49 AM

This guy’s show was moderately entertaining when it was on the other network, until 9/11. Something snapped in this little troll after that and he has descended to a very dark, vile place. I never watch his show. Notice how he has his token conservative against the entire panel, and they usually don’t have a really smart one. I guess they are afraid of a real fair debate if the numbers were even.

karenhasfreedom on January 17, 2011 at 12:58 AM

How big is the Applause on Que Must be very large to get people to laugh at Mr. Maher’s one liners because he expects it. Mr. Maher expects everything he says is funny and satirical.

A note, Mr. Maher may be even funnier if he could read his humor from a teleprompter like his ideal idol Pres. Obama.

MSGTAS on January 17, 2011 at 7:36 AM

Bill M. is one demented individual who will find himself in a serious “I’m sorry..please forgive me for being so willingfully ignorant in this life…he’s definately a non-believer in the next life..god bless his ignorance…But, unfortunately he deserves everything he will receive.

Dakotobol on January 17, 2011 at 7:42 AM

Bill, just go away……………..

SC.Charlie on January 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM

I was hoping to wake up and not see this ugly mug on HA today.

cntrlfrk on January 17, 2011 at 8:43 AM

He’s just too simplistic to be taken seriously, in my opinion. He never leaves room for alternative world views.

Everything is black and white to him.

AnninCA on January 17, 2011 at 9:36 AM

And you Maher would have had to been good at the art of The Duel.

Spider79 on January 17, 2011 at 9:54 AM

It would be a toss up between the founding fathers wanting to throw this fool into a sanitarium or to challenge him to a duel for even calling himself a Liberal.

Liberal used to mean some in favor of limited government that protected the people freedoms instead of taking them away.

Do the Liberals of today even pretend to consider that?

Look at the past week, their knee-jerk reaction to the tragedy in Tucson was to try to have a chilling effect on free-speech, further restrict our right to self defense and other sundry anti—freedom initiatives.

Liberal as in wanting Liberty – not these days.

Chip on January 17, 2011 at 9:59 AM

A sterling example of the “new civility”

J_Crater on January 17, 2011 at 10:11 AM

This POS stepped over the line for me all the way back when he chose to make fun of the death of Steve Irwin for a Halloween costume. This “person” is absolute proof that God is capable of making a walking, talking “human” out of a substance other than dust – namely bullshit.

PJ Emeritus on January 17, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Can you say “JACKASS”. Bill is a testiment to the sorry state of mind too many Americans find themselves. Anyone with any common sense knows that paying people to be useless and idle just motivates more people to be useless and idle.

We do need a safety net, but not for those that don’t really need it. It has become a life choice instead of a necessity for millions of Americans. It is creating a huge problem instead of a productive solution, and anyone with any sense should be able to see it.

saiga on January 17, 2011 at 10:51 AM

“I’d rather be a teabagger than get f***ed by Obama” love it… though I’d change it “I’d rather be a teabagger than get bent over by Obama”

I can’t believe there’s this many comments on something that shouldn’t be given 2 sentences of notice.

You would think someone (Maher) with a BA in History would know better then to make proclamations about the “Founders.” History is a painting of broad strokes, but when you get into the nitty gritty, it’s to easy to push the strokes toward the points you want to make.

Keith_Indy on January 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM

I STRONGLY AGREE WITH CROSSPATCH – THIS IS AN EGO-MANIAC IDIOT.

HE SHOULD STICK TO COMEDY ATEMPTS.

BECAUSE YOU ARE A HOLLYWOOD HOLLYWOOD CELEB, THIS STATUS, GIVES YOU AN AUTOMATIC INTELLIGENCE LEVEL TO KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR THE REST OF US.

MAHER -YOU, WHOOPI, AND THE REST OF THE CELBS ARE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO {COMEDY, ACTING, ETC..} BUT PLEASE TRY TO REMEMBER THAT YOU LIVE IN A “FANTASY” WORLD. 98% OF CELEBS CANNOT GET OUT OF THE FANTASY WORLD ONCE THEY ARE IN. THEY ARE AUTOMATIC KNOW-IT-ALLS…YOU HAVE “TOTALLY” LOST TOUCH WITH REALITY, -IF YOU EVER MADE IT TO REALITY IN THE FIRST PLACE. MAYBE YOU AND WHOOPI MIGHT TRY A FAMILY LIFE WITH FAMILY VALUES..BUT THEN AGAIN THAT COULD BE BAD FOR THE OFFSPRING.

Panentheist on January 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM

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