Media meme o’ the day: Obama’s speech was much more presidential than Palin’s

posted at 8:04 pm on January 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

This is a useful way to wrap up (hopefully) the coverage of Our National Conversation On Rhetoric as it’s a stark example of how easily the propaganda about Palin’s culpability in the shootings was accepted as a political fact of life. There are two ways a reporter could address yesterday’s oratorical bookends by her and Obama. One: “Hey, isn’t it insane that Palin had to give this speech? People don’t normally have to point out that they’re not responsible for a mass murder that they’re not linked to in any way, do they?” Call that the “reality-based” approach. Two: “How silly of Palin to set up an unfavorable contrast with Obama by giving a defensive speech on a day when he’s pushing uplift. Don’t her advisors know anything about ‘messaging’?” We’ll call that the “you’re badly missing the point” take. It’s true as far as it goes — Palin’s team should have anticipated that some viewers will naturally compare her tone to his, notwithstanding the two speeches’ dramatically different circumstances — but it’s also utterly banal and lazy. What’s a more constructive use of a political reporter’s time — pointing out to his audience the eminently apparent fact that, yes indeed, Palin’s tone doesn’t compare favorably to Obama’s in this case? Or pointing out, in case they’re not aware, that that might be because she had to respond to an endless Orwellian smear tying her to a homicidal lunatic? Accuse The One of complicity in mass murder and, I assure you, his reaction won’t be sunshine and candy canes either.

The “badly missing the point” take is what I was getting at in goofing on Politico yesterday. For political media, whether any facts exist that link the right to Loughner is more or less immaterial; what matters is that the left’s narrative of tying the right to Loughner exists and, as such, it’s a fact of political life that should be assimilated and covered like any other. Obama’s eulogizing the victims of a shooting and Palin’s defending herself from the repulsive charge that she’s somehow responsible for the body count, but since they both spoke on the same day, well, that’s good enough for a moronic superficial horserace-type comparison. Politico:

At sunrise in the East on Wednesday, Sarah Palin demonstrated that she has little interest — or capacity — in moving beyond her brand of grievance-based politics. And at sundown in the West, Barack Obama reminded even his critics of his ability to rally disparate Americans around a message of reconciliation…

The former Alaska governor has a knack for supplying rhetoric that will delight her supporters, send her critics howling and invariably create a frenzy of coverage. But her response suggests she is capable of hitting just that one note…

But for much of the eight-minute talk she was defensive and showed little interest in doing anything other than channeling the understandable resentment of her ideological kinsmen over the blame-casting. And that won’t appeal much to a political center that — even while they may not think Palin is in any way responsible for Tucson — preferred more conciliation even before the jarring attempted assassination of a member of Congress.

A homework assignment for aspiring speechwriters: Try to write an address titled “I Didn’t Kill Anyone” without sounding aggrieved. More from the Times:

Ms. Palin’s decision to post the video on the Internet on Wednesday morning all but invited comparisons to the president’s previously announced appearance at the memorial service for those slain in Arizona.

And her choice of words — most notably the accusation that her critics were guilty of “blood libel” for the things they have said about her — made it impossible to ignore the video as merely another statement from a politician…

[W]hat could not have been more different was the tone. Where Ms. Palin was direct and forceful, Mr. Obama was soft and restrained. Where Ms. Palin was accusatory, Mr. Obama appeared to go out of his way to avoid pointing fingers or assigning blame. Where she stressed the importance of fighting for our different beliefs, he emphasized our need for unity, referring to the “American family — 300 million strong.”

Nowhere in the piece does the Times explain precisely what “things they have said about her.” If you read it without knowing the backstory of the past several days and the left’s obsession with her crosshairs map, you might think Palin had posted a video to eulogize the victims and then inexplicably launched into a tirade against the media halfway through based on old grievances, like the Couric interview. The closest it comes to filling the reader in is to quote her denouncing “mindless finger-pointing we endured in the wake of the tragedy.”

And on we go. Here’s some refreshing candor from Lloyd Grove: Yes, it’s unfair to compare the two speeches — but why should that stop us?

The prematurely retired Alaska governor had to serve up her remarks, really a litany of complaints against her critics and political adversaries, while seated in front of a non-working stone fireplace, apparently at her home in Wasilla—a claustrophobic setting framed by an outsize American flag.

The president got to deliver his affecting half-hour of heartfelt reflection and soulful inspiration—repeatedly interrupted by standing ovations—to an arena at the University of Arizona filled to the rafters with 14,000 mourners, notably members of his Cabinet and the Supreme Court, the governor of Arizona, the astronaut-husband of wounded Rep. Gabby Giffords, the heroes who risked their own lives to save others, the doctors and nurses who tended the injured and bleeding, and the friends and families of the six people, including a 9-year-old girl, who were killed by a gun-wielding maniac Saturday morning at a shopping center.

“At the end of the day, after listening to the president, we’ll know why he’s president and she never will be,” said Robert Shrum.

To the speechwriters: For extra credit on your assignment, figure out a “presidential” way to explore the theme, “I Didn’t Beam Homicidal Mind Control Rays into that Crazed Gunman’s Brain.” The big joke here, of course, is that the only “presidential” way Palin could have handled this — according to the media, I mean — would be to simply let this whole thing slide. That’s what presidents do, right? Thick skin, stiff upper lip, even when their enemies are being terribly unfair to them. When it comes to politics, that’s business as usual. My point this week, though, and Ace’s point at his site, has been that this episode isn’t business as usual. This isn’t some standard “Palin’s using rhetorical dog whistles for her Christian base!” attack. This is a congresswoman bleeding out of her head on the sidewalk with six bodies lying around her, one of them a little girl, and Palin being blamed for it instantly. And yet according to Keith Ellison, the proper response here should have been to validate that accusation by implication by saying, gee, yeah, I guess I should have toned it down. I’m not known for being a Palin fan (as, er, any actual Palin fan could tell you) and even I can’t contain my indignation at the charge. And yet she’s supposed to just mellow out and take it because political reporters who won’t flatly correct the record for their readers think it’s bad “optics” to do otherwise? Unbelievable.


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The gunman had a grudge with the Congresswoman and Palin had nothing to with. So all of the chicken phukers are doing just that.

darwin-t on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

unelected woman

Who is continually being promenaded by her supporters as POTUS-elect. You can’t have it both ways.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Who accused her of murder? No one I heard.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=907&bih=399&q=sarah+palin+murderer&aq=0&aqi=g1g-v3&aql=&oq=sarah+palin++murder&gs_rfai=

10,100,000 search results.

Get lost, kid.

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Watching Ed trying to clean up the crap was quite amusing.

Knucklehead on January 13, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Once you start playing the ‘my team is great, ignore the fact that they are under .500′, game it is hard to stop.

Ask a Cubs fan.

GnuBreed on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Maybe people have a reason to be looking Palin’s way…..
Maybe people are wondering why Palin kept that crosshairs map up….despite Giffords’ words,until it was taken down right after Giffords and the other victims were taken down.

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM

This is unbelievably stupid. Didn’t we used to have smart trolls? Shame they all had to get themselves banned, but I certainly won’t be bothered when you manage to do the same.

It’s a map, one similar to many other maps used by many other people. It’s beyond stupid to whine about it like this and clearly not even well intentioned.

I’d try and explain why your statement here is so unbelievably stupid, but AP already did that better than I can, so I’m left with nothing but wondering how someone could be so unbelievably stupid. It’s mind-boggling really.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

So if she’s elected President she’ll only ever appear on FOX News?

Yeah why not? Berry thought he as president should shut them out. I say, that’s fair game. If I were president I myself would consider moving the press room out of the White House and like Obama did during his campaign only allow reporters who parroted my line on the bus, or plane in his case. The press does not deserve any respect, least of all from Sarah Palin.

Sharr on January 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

So if she’s elected President she’ll only ever appear on FOX News?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM

She’ll use voodoo.

the_nile on January 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Obama is President, that’s whats expected.

Has anyone told the media that Palin is a private citizen?

Knucklehead on January 13, 2011 at 8:16 PM

The media continue to fall into this trap. They elevate her every time they do this.

Which is fine by me because I think she came out of this looking great.

I thought the speech she gave was excellent… the tone, tenor, content and delivery were spot on. And while later on that day we got confirmation that Loughner was not into politics and never heard or saw any of this supposedly scary imagery or heard standard campaign rhetoric, Palin and her team obviously didn’t know this when the response was written then recorded.

As AP puts it…this is not standard fare. I think Palin would have been just fine with watching things from her tv like the rest of us but the left just cannot help themselves.

And in doing so… they once again raise her status.

powerpro on January 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM

So if she’s elected President she’ll only ever appear on FOX News?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM

What do you think about Obaka being too afraid to go on FOX News and face Chris Wallace?

ladyingray on January 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Get lost, kid

That’s it? That’s your “evidence”? A bunch of random links that include the words “Palin” and “murder” or “murderer”? The only people making that accusation were bloggers who, lets face it (ahem) are hardly noted for their ‘balance.’ I want to see the link from ABC that accused her of murder.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM

So if she’s elected President she’ll only ever appear on FOX News?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Why does O’bama refuse to do a live interview with Bill O’Reilly? He refused in 2008, and the upcoming one will also not be live. What is he afraid of?

G+

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Media meme o’ the day: Obama’s speech was much more presidential than Palin’s
==============================

Oh ya,T-shirts,just like a Rock Concert,up and down
cheering,like a Union Thug Rally,or Democrats popping
up and down at the State of the Uion Address!!

It wasn’t a celebration of the loved one’s,oh no,it
was a CELEBRATION OF PUBLIC SERVICE IN GOVERNMENT!!!

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

What do you think about Obaka being too afraid to go on FOX News and face Chris Wallace?

This.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

So if she’s elected President she’ll only ever appear on FOX News?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Facebook, baby. :) jk

alwaysfiredup on January 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

This is a useful way to wrap up (hopefully) the coverage of Our National Conversation On Rhetoric…

The enduring point is that the left cried havoc and let slip their dogs of war and they lost. Even after their parting shot across the bow at Palin’s video address the poll numbers showed that the public wasn’t buying it. Ever since Rather’s phony documents were debunked in less than 24 hours it has been a new day in the campaign against the leftist media. We still have to rush to the barricades but now we are winning the war.

scrubjay on January 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Who is continually being promenaded by her supporters as POTUS-elect. You can’t have it both ways.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Says you. The NYT has tried to have it both ways, and you agree?

JeffWeimer on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Why does O’bama refuse to do a live interview with Bill O’Reilly? He refused in 2008, and the upcoming one will also not be live. What is he afraid of?

G+

But he’s appeared on FOX. Palin refuses to appear anywhere else BUT FOX. She’s the coward, I’m afraid. It’s easy to sit in front of a fireplace and a flag and play at being “Presidential.” I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Who is continually being promenaded by her supporters as POTUS-elect. You can’t have it both ways.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

What? “Promenaded?” “POTUS-elect”?

I have no idea what you’re talking about, which I think between you and I that makes two of us.

Rational Thought on January 13, 2011 at 8:48 PM

You can’t have it both ways.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

No, but apparently you can. It’s all fine and good for people to call her an accessory minutes after the shooting and to work on laws specifically aimed at her campaigning, but the moment she says a word on any of this, she’s the one in the wrong.

Most people find that repulsive. I’ll admit to being a little surprised that you’re not one of them, but whatever. Politics is war or something, so nothing is off limits.

Though really, I sometimes wonder if the Left is secretly masochistic. Ultimately, this does just make Palin more sympathetic. At this point, I’d vote for her out of spite alone even if I disagreed with everything she stands for.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Fins, how about this?

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Blood is on Sarah Palin’s Hands

I’ve responded to this sad Kos tactic at least a dozen times this week. It happened. You can’t deny it.

alwaysfiredup on January 13, 2011 at 8:48 PM

One aim for all this hoopla is to disarm Palin from her use of martial imagery when she talks about campaigns. The media know that her Mama Grizzly theme was effective, and they still are upset over the TLC show when she clubbed those halibut and shot that caribou, all of which was highly entertaining. Her “reload” comment was also effective, so the Left has to take away that kind of language and make it inoperable in public discourse.

RedRedRice on January 13, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Politico has totally beclowned itself this week. Utterly and completely. I expected this kind of garbage from the New York Times, but not really from Politico. It is just another house propaganda organ for the White house now.

rockmom on January 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Politico showed their hand years ago, and in a commercial sense flamethrowing brings more hits than honest journalism, as hotair well knows.

slickwillie2001 on January 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM

But he’s appeared on FOX. Palin refuses to appear anywhere else BUT FOX. She’s the coward, I’m afraid. It’s easy to sit in front of a fireplace and a flag and play at being “Presidential.” I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

ROFL…are you that stupid? Palin is under contract with FOxnews. she is paid to only appear on foxnews. first rule of a debate know your facts….

unseen on January 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Shouldn’t you be wearing sackcloth and ashes in the dark somewhere fins?

Agitation is hardly respectful to the recently departed.

Inanemergencydial on January 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Tell that to Obama when he is PMSing over being held “hostage” by the mean ol nasty REpublicans… and that nasty ol FOX news just ruined his day…

canditaylor68 on January 13, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Seriously. Remember how petulant and hissy he got when some in the media started delving further into what he meant by “acting stupidly” re the Cambridge police? And then again during the height of the Ground Zero mosque controversy? (after putting his two cents in).

Repeat after me: The man can NOT handle any type of criticism or tough follow-up questions. He is always at the ready to scold and slap the media down any time he feels an inkling of discomfort or lack of respect.

RepubChica on January 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM

THIS is what a leader sounds like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdvpw86_qkg&feature=player_embedded

UnderstandingisPower on January 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Rational Thought

Did you read this thread?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM

This.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

And? That’s not an answer. Is he afraid he will get difficult questions from Chris unlike the wiffle balls he gets from Harry Smith?

ladyingray on January 13, 2011 at 8:52 PM

At this point, I’d vote for her out of spite alone even if I disagreed with everything she stands for.

Smart move.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:52 PM

I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Yes, just like Obama had to do before he could be elected president.

No, I must be thinking of someone else, but Palin really should learn from him. It’s only after getting into the White House that she should unload on the liberal media and try to freeze them out.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

believable

rob verdi on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

And?

Obama. FOX News. Answering difficult–perhaps even hostile–questions. Palin?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Smart move.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Obviously sarcasm isn’t your strong suit.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM

14,000 attended the Obama rally…..last I checked (hours ago) Palin had 14,000 hits on her facebook speech and that’s in less than 24 hrs……and going Viral.
So much hate from the Dems that they’re losing polls and Dems are runnning away from the Democrat Party. Desperation.
Palin is number ONE ……………….else why the HATE. ? ?

JayTee on January 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM

O/T Dana Perino just disappoints me more and more as does CK lately.

bluemarlin on January 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM

The gunman had a grudge with the Congresswoman and Palin had nothing to with. So all of the chicken phukers are doing just that.

darwin-t on January 13, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Pretty much for all the good it has done them. No one buys their fantasy they don’t buy it, they are dishonest. Barack Obama “Elections have consequences” You Betcha ;)

These tools making grotesque fools of themselves are squarely identified in Obama’s camp. When people vote in 2012 they will remember the Dupniks.

Dr Evil on January 13, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Obama. FOX News. Answering difficult–perhaps even hostile–questions. Palin?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I’m sorry, are you arguing Palin has never sat for a hostile interview? And BOR gave him a softie interview. Palin would never get that kind of respect from MSNBC.

alwaysfiredup on January 13, 2011 at 8:55 PM

In fact, after his speech, I felt angry and betrayed and divided and alienated — and I think the reason was because his speech was all so transparently phony. It was just ear-pleasing words written by a team of trained emotions-manipulators and intended to be spoken by a guy with a really pleasing voice. It was all just pure theater — not a sincere thing about it.

FlameWarrior on January 13, 2011 at 8:16 PM

+1000 My reaction too. Here’s what I think is going on:

I believe they decided to use a bad cop/good cop stratedgy against Palin. After all the ridiculous attacks and demonizing of Palin then 0 comes in and plays the good guy who is calling for sanity and restraint. The whole scene was clearly a staged campaign event. The victims and families were ambushed and used as props, same for Gov. Jan Brewer. The whole thing was a typical phony campaign event designed to make the 0 (that’s a zero, not an O) look good, especially in comparison to Palin who was put in a no win situation. It just demonstrates one more time that the left has no sense of fairness or decency.

shmendrick on January 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Obama. FOX News. Answering difficult–perhaps even hostile–questions. Palin?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I’d agree that she needs to branch out more, but to suggest that she hasn’t answered difficult and even hostile questions? Whatever you’re smoking, it’s just too good to keep to yourself.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I said Chris Wallace’s show on FOX. Obaka refuses to do Fox News Sunday. And he did even before the interveiw with Bret Bair, which was a fair interview. Your messiah is a coward. Own it.

ladyingray on January 13, 2011 at 8:57 PM

But he’s appeared on FOX. Palin refuses to appear anywhere else BUT FOX. She’s the coward, I’m afraid. It’s easy to sit in front of a fireplace and a flag and play at being “Presidential.” I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Ha, ha, ha. That is rich. When has Obama ever done this with anyone who wasn’t a fawning sycophant? “Sit down and field the tough questions”? You have got to be kidding me. Obama is the president, for God’s sake, and he has never been asked a “tough question” in his life. What a great interview it would be to ask the newly “civil” president if he will now, at long last, condemn his terrorist friend William Ayers since he, too, was involved in the slaughter of innocents. Does he believe such uncivil, violent men should be college professors? How compelling it would be to see the president in an interview and have his violent rhetoric of the past (“They bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. Punish your enemies. Punch back twice as hard.” Etc.) played on video for him and ask him how that contributes to “civil discourse.” That would be a terrific, relevant interview. Think he’ll “sit down and field the tough questions” anytime soon? Think a Republican president in the same position would be able to avoid those questions?

Yeah. Go away silly person.

Rational Thought on January 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Agitation is hardly respectful to the recently departed.

I know. But I’m prone to dark thoughts if I stay off in a corner by myself.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM

The point isn’t whether Rep. Giffords was aware of the crosshairs, and thus concerned, but whether Loughner was aware and angered to action.
Weight for

No that’s a different point. That point is concerned with culpability and, legally, Palin has none.

However, Giffords was concerned about Palin’s stuff and appealed for that in particular and other harsh symbols and words to be replaced by more moderate ones.
Palin stuck to her crosshairs…. until, for some reason, she made them vanish.
If people wish to view Palin as grating or ungracious or lacking in wisdom or concern or simply as someone who just doesn’t love America and doesn’t have our American values in her heart, well, that can’t as easily be gainsaid.

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM

I’d agree that she needs to branch out more,

+100

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM

I’m sorry, are you arguing Palin has never sat for a hostile interview? And BOR gave him a softie interview. Palin would never get that kind of respect from MSNBC.

alwaysfiredup on January 13, 2011 at 8:55 PM

I wouldn’t call it softie, but compared to what Olberman would have given Palin, softie is an understatement. But I think that says more of Olberman than it does Bill or even Obama.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Get lost, kid

That’s it? That’s your “evidence”? A bunch of random links that include the words “Palin” and “murder” or “murderer”? The only people making that accusation were bloggers who, lets face it (ahem) are hardly noted for their ‘balance.’ I want to see the link from ABC that accused her of murder.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Wow, you went thru all 10,100,000 links that quickly? Good for you. Just curious-have you ever done a Google search-on any subject-and gotten 10+ million results? “Bush AWOL” gets “only” 263,000 results.

Now try doing a Google NEWS search on the same keywords-you still get nearly 2,000 results.

Let me be more specific-see Paul Krugman of the NY Times on Saturday afternoon.

And what about this?

WikiLeaks through its notorious spokesperson Julian Assange has called for the arrest of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and other politicians who could be implicated for inciting murder in connection to the weekend shooting spree in Tucson, Ariz. that left six dead and injured 14, including Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Read Write Web, an influential tech industry blog, reported that WikiLeaks’ official Twitter account had posted an update linking to a press release that called for Palin’s arrest and that authorities “aggressively pursue justice” for those killed.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/82g3kb

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM

I know. But I’m prone to dark thoughts if I stay off in a corner by myself.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Thats why you’re liberal, seek help.

the_nile on January 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Someone should let Katie Curic know, we now know which newspaper Palin reads.

This newspaper article was January 10th Palin speech was January 12th….hmmm could they be related now we know which newspapers the Left doesn’t read.

I’m not surprised they don’t read they just get issued talking points and fake photo shop graphics.

Dr Evil on January 13, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Smart move.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Obviously sarcasm isn’t your strong suit.

Nor magnanimity yours.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Well, Barry IS the president, so it’s like the kiddo with training wheels makes it down the block. I guess being president buys you a better teleprompter.

HornetSting on January 13, 2011 at 9:01 PM

What do you think about Obaka being too afraid to go on FOX News and face Chris Wallace?

This.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Does youtube also have O’bama’s totally cordial taped interview with O’Reilly from 2008?

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

When Bury does a live interview with anyone I’ll be impressed. Not some canned interview where he has the questions beforehand. Until then he’s chickenspit and nothing else.

darwin-t on January 13, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Not some canned interview where he has the questions beforehand.

Sean Hannity?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I know. But I’m prone to dark thoughts if I stay off in a corner by myself.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Grow Fins:Really!
======================

then came darkness.” Bad things happen,—-Obama

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/13/transcript-obama-address-tucson-memorial-service/

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Someone earlier asked why the “crosshairs map” got removed. Palin aide Rebecca Mansour explains that in an interview by Tammy Bruce here.

Basically, it was just sloppy web administration in making sure that all the past election material was pulled down. The web master was getting a bunch of hits and asked the treasurer if they even still wanted to pay for the map being up, and the treasurer said no, it was irrelevant since we’re past the election, and so web master pulled it down.

Mansour also explained that the map was never intended to be, and wasn’t gun crosshairs. They had a professional graphic artist design a map representing the 20 districts that McCain/Palin had won in 2008 that had Democratic Representatives, and that is what the graphic artist made.

It’s not like Sarah Palin created the map herself, and told the designer to make sure to put scary gun crosshairs on the map, but rather like most people that don’t have an ax to grind, it probably didn’t even cross her mind that the map would be misinterpreted that way.

Plus the symbols weren’t typical gun crosshairs anyways. People seem to scoff at this explanation, but the symbols had the vertical and horizontal sight lines extending outside the scope, which doesn’t really make sense. I’ve seen similar symbols on maps numerous times simply marking a location. To be fair, I’ve seen some video games that had similar graphics for gun sights, but I’ve never seen an actual gun with a sight like that.

The map simply says that 20 House Democrats from districts McCain/Palin won had voted for the health care bill, has the map marking the 20 districts, lists the 20 Congresspeople, and then below the map it says “Lets take back the 20, together!”

In short, there was absolutely nothing at all wrong with the map and it is complete absurd to claim that it was intended that the map target the Congresspeople in anything other than a political sense.

People have gone delusional.

willamettevalley on January 13, 2011 at 9:05 PM

The Progressive Axis of Evil (DC Political Ruling Class/NYC Media and the Ivy League schools that feed them) hates Palin because……………..

………they hate US!!

……..it’s just that easy to understand.

PappyD61 on January 13, 2011 at 9:06 PM

But he’s appeared on FOX. Palin refuses to appear anywhere else BUT FOX. She’s the coward, I’m afraid. It’s easy to sit in front of a fireplace and a flag and play at being “Presidential.” I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

You didn’t answer my question-why does he refuse to do a live interview with O’Really?

BTW, Hillary Clinton will only go on Fox News if she is interviewed by former CNN Leftie Greta. What is she afraid of?

Hell, plenty of Dems/Leftists go on FNC live, even O’Reilly, all the time. Charlie Rangel is a semi-regular on Bill’s show, and I have seen both Mikey Moore and Paul Krigman sit for live interviews there. Baba Wawa and Whoopass Goldberg also regularly appears live on The Factor.

But you wouldn’t know that if you never watched the show.

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:07 PM

“At the end of the day, after listening to the president, we’ll know why he’s president and she never will be,” said Robert Shrum.

Mr. Shrum knows something about people who won’t be president…

He’s worked for:

Michael Dukakis
Sen. Bob Kerrey
Al Gore
John Kerry

In fact, he’s 0 for 8 in presidential races.

So yeah, let’s let him pick our candidates – it’ll be swell.

massrighty on January 13, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Hopefully, now that President Obama has called us all to task, we’ll realize the hurtful language we’ve been using, and we’ll be able to set aside our personal grievances and begin to work together on our common problems.

I applaud your heroic efforts in this Mr. AllahPundit, and look forward to the time when we can all Unite and Thrive Together. We’ve worked this sad tale over quite thoroughly, and now it’s time to move on.

Skandia Recluse on January 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Uh, no. Not after the blood libel.

It’s nowhere near enough to say that hurtful language has been deployed. You want this to be over? Let’s see some people in the media stand up and announce forthrightly that Sarah Palin had about as much to do with the Arizona shootings as Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and that it was wrong, absolutely wrong, to imply that crosshairs on a man on an election website helped make the difference between a schizophrenic who only spooked people and a schizophrenic who decided to go shoot a Congresswoman and ended up murdering six people. But we know that won’t happen, because if anything, people on the Left have been doubling down on the hatred of Sarah Palin, frantically nitpicking everything she’s done and not done over the past week.

The blood libel has been said, and no one who has said it appears to even want to try to take it back. So the only way we “set aside our personal grievances and begin to work together on our common problems” is for us on the Right to pretend that we don’t realize the Left hates our guts and wants to see one brave woman killed. So spare us the Hallmark-card malarkey.

Aitch748 on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Nor magnanimity yours.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:01 PM

With someone trolling a Hot Air post whining about Sarah Palin without cause?

No, it really isn’t. I’ve been magnanimous to you specifically in the past with no reciprocation despite your insistence that you’d remember it. That’s why I admit to being surprised by your reaction here, but it’s really just because I’m gullible.

Esthier on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I want a specific link to a member of the mainstream press accusing Palin of murder. Not a blogger. Not an op-ed guy. A news story. That’s the charge. Maybe I missed it.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Life is scary and unpredictable! Let’s blame the conservatives — and seek to control it all!

Control Freaks.

John the Libertarian on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Oh shit, now the ACLU is on our side regarding violent imagery — It’s official we are now in bizarro land.

Well ok, we ain’t the only ones.

GnuBreed on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

The Progressive Axis of Evil (DC Political Ruling Class/NYC Media and the Ivy League schools that feed them) hates Palin because……………..

………they hate US!!

……..it’s just that easy to understand.

PappyD61 on January 13, 2011 at 9:06 PM

PappyD61:Nailed to a “T”,might as well bang ones
head on a wall to save one breath!!:)

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Palin is under contract with FOxnews. she is paid to only appear on foxnews. first rule of a debate know your facts….

unseen on January 13, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Doesn’t she have a clause so she can appear on NPR too? Just like Juan?

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:09 PM

With someone trolling a Hot Air post whining about Sarah Palin without cause?

No, it really isn’t. I’ve been magnanimous to you specifically in the past with no reciprocation despite your insistence that you’d remember it. That’s why I admit to being surprised by your reaction here, but it’s really just because I’m gullible.

Esthier

You’re one of the best posters here at HA, and I mean that sincerely. You are always thoughtful and respectful, unlike some I could mention.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:09 PM

I’d agree that she needs to branch out more,

+100

Grow Fins

she should be on other tv shows. she would be great on 30 Rock as an assistant NBC page helping Kenneth.

maybe soon a special guest judge on Bulgaria’s Got Talent

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Is this pileup over yet? please let me know when it is.

ted c on January 13, 2011 at 9:11 PM

audiculous

I think a talk show lies in Sarah’s future. She’s certainly got the star power. She could do a Ted-Nugent style version of Oprah (“Sarah”). She’d actually be great at that; I wouldn’t watch it, but I’m sure plenty would. But POTUS? She’s not up to it. Too brittle and defensive.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:12 PM

The more salient point is that Palin did a better job of describing what America was intended to be and what it takes to return us to that standard. Hopey just spouted platitudes, nonsense lycergic acid poetry, and wishful gun control and Nationalized Psychiatric Care hopenchange.

pugwriter on January 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Oh shit, now the ACLU is on our side regarding violent imagery — It’s official we are now in bizarro land.

Well ok, we ain’t the only ones.

GnuBreed on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

GnuBreed:Excellent,because had the Left had their way,we
all know,how the Right would be Interpreted !!:)

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM

But he’s appeared on FOX. Palin refuses to appear anywhere else BUT FOX. She’s the coward, I’m afraid. It’s easy to sit in front of a fireplace and a flag and play at being “Presidential.” I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

That’s just a lie or shows incredible ignorance. She has appeared on CNN and numerous other networks. Try another approach troll.

shmendrick on January 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM

willamettevalley on January 13, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Political maps have been done like that I suspect for centuries. We know it and the left knows it, they just couldn’t resist an attack on their favorite conservative pinata.

slickwillie2001 on January 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM

The more salient point is that Palin did a better job of describing what America was intended to be and what it takes to return us to that standard. Hopey just spouted platitudes, nonsense lycergic acid poetry, and wishful gun control and Nationalized Psychiatric Care hopenchange.

pugwriter on January 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Salient to me, anyway. *shrugs*

pugwriter on January 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM

audiculous
==============
I think a talk show lies in Sarah’s future. She’s certainly got the star power. She could do a Ted-Nugent style version of Oprah (“Sarah”). She’d actually be great at that; I wouldn’t watch it, but I’m sure plenty would. But POTUS? She’s not up to it. Too brittle and defensive.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Grow Fins: Well,you two must be the Progressive Political
Dynamic Duo,er,TAG TEAM eh!!

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 9:15 PM

For those that think these type of attacks will end if Palin decides not to run in 2012……..

…….no freaking chance.

For you Huckabee supporters,

For you Romneybots,

For you fans of Pawlenty,

or Pence,

or Demint,

or Thune,

or Christie,

or__________,

or ________, etc.

You think YOUR CANDIDATE WILL HAVE A PASS from the Blood Libel Media?

REALLY?

You supporters think that your guys will not be villified as the Spawn of Satan?

You think your candidates can stand up to the chicken crap that the Media has been focusing on trying to get Palin to either not run or be destroyed with the voters?

The day Palin isn’t a factor in the race is the day the focus of the AMERICAN EVIL EMPIRE turns on A NEW FACE.


Your candidate will be Destroyed
……….be ready.

PappyD61 on January 13, 2011 at 9:15 PM

She has appeared on CNN

When?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I know. But I’m prone to dark thoughts if I stay off in a corner by myself.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Even your family doesn’t like you, huh? I kinda figured that was it.

There is one reason, and only one reason they’re doing this. Because they know….Sarah hit a homerun with her speech!

capejasmine on January 13, 2011 at 9:16 PM

The more salient point is that Palin did a better job of describing what America was intended to be and what it takes to return us to that standard. Hopey just spouted platitudes, nonsense lycergic acid poetry, and wishful gun control and Nationalized Psychiatric Care hopenchange.

pugwriter on January 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM

She stood up for principles, hard to do so soon after a crisis when they’re needed.

the_nile on January 13, 2011 at 9:17 PM

AP is going to get his wish a second BO term. Then even he might realize that the nation has slid over the abyss. If he did realize it though he could never say it. Sucks to be taken off the cocktail and dinner circuit and he could not stand that.

Jdripper on January 13, 2011 at 9:18 PM

But POTUS? She’s not up to it. Too brittle and defensive.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:12 PM

We’ll see in the primaries, princess. And I’ve never seen anyone in politics as thin-skinned as Barack.

John the Libertarian on January 13, 2011 at 9:18 PM

canopfor, nah, there’s nothing particularly progressive about not wanting to be governed by someone as ignorant as Palin.

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Dynamic Duo,er,TAG TEAM eh!!

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Sockpuppet love is a special kind of love…Giggle.

Dr Evil on January 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM

14,000 attended the Obama rally…..

JayTee on January 13, 2011 at 8:54 PM

OK, a correction to my earlier posts-Tucson’s FOX station now has a further breakdown of the rally numbers-13,000 were actually inside the building for the service.

But another 13,000 were turned away and sent down the road to Arizona Stadium, where they watched it live on the big screen. Grand total = 26,000. It would be interesting to see video of what the stadium crowd reactions were as the event unfolded.

In any case the “live” crowd was just as many people as the Fort Hood (3,000) and Space Shuttle Challenger (10,000) Memorial Services combined.

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:12 PM

You just go thru life with blinders on, don’t you?! God forbid it ever gets to this, but if it does….I wonder if you’ll be thinking the same thing, when you’re standing in the government food rationing line, waiting for your potato, and dried out crust of bread. Maybe you should read some true accounts of communism. Obviously you see it as utopia. If it is so great, why have millions emigrated to the United States for a better life? Why do you cling to it, as if it’s some great utopia? I’d really like to know!

capejasmine on January 13, 2011 at 9:20 PM

canopfor, nah, there’s nothing particularly progressive about not wanting to be governed by someone as ignorant as Palin.

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 9:18 PM

But it is libtard nirvana to be governed by someone as thin-skinned and ignorant as obama. Your Palin derangement syndrome is noted. Over and over and over again.

HornetSting on January 13, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Ya know,if Hopey,the Community Organizer Sh*t Stirring
Distruber would of toned down his Hate Rhetric,and if
only Liberals would of not dissed their voters at town
hall meetings,

and maybe if Obama wasn’t so militant on Brewers Arizona
Law,just maybe bad things wouldn’t of happened!!

canopfor on January 13, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Sockpuppet love is a special kind of love…Giggle.

Dr Evil

I would have pegged you as a nylon and pleather type.

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Maybe you should read some true accounts of communism. Obviously you see it as utopia. If it is so great, why have millions emigrated to the United States for a better life? Why do you cling to it, as if it’s some great utopia? I’d really like to know!

When did I say I was a communist?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Let’s see some people in the media stand up and announce forthrightly that Sarah Palin had about as much to do with the Arizona shootings as Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer

Aitch748 on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I always knew Rudy did it!

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Whatever.
I’m thinking how many of our great presidents from history wouldn’t appear “presidential” to these elites, while many of the scoundrels and traitors they fought against would.

Didn’t I read somewhere, or maybe I heard it on that old Civil War series, that some elitist from a New York paper was embarrassed by the way President Lincoln appeared at some event. He was so embarrassed that the American President looked so ordinary when introduced to some well dressed Europeans.I think the newspaper guy wrote something like “how ragged and plain Lincoln looked. Important people from Europe couldn’t distinguish him from the more common folk.”

JellyToast on January 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM

But it is libtard nirvana to be governed by someone as thin-skinned and ignorant as obama.

I don’t think that you would be able to compare Palin’s education to Obama’s.

But I’m not an Obama fan.

I’m more Truman and Eisenhower.

audiculous on January 13, 2011 at 9:25 PM

She has appeared on CNN

When?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:16 PM

October 21, 2008.

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Media meme o’ the day: Obama’s speech was much more presidential than Palin

translation:
Wow. That Palin video is a little too good for comfort.

silverfox on January 13, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Who accused her of murder? No one I heard.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM

LOL, seriously now – wtf is wrong with you?

Midas on January 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM

When did I say I was a communist?

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:23 PM

What’s that you say Moby?

Dr Evil on January 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM

THIS is what a leader sounds like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdvpw86_qkg&feature=player_embedded

UnderstandingisPower on January 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM

-
Dignified, no cheering, no laughter, no t-shirts, humble.

diogenes on January 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM

I want a specific link to a member of the mainstream press accusing Palin of murder. Not a blogger. Not an op-ed guy. A news story. That’s the charge. Maybe I missed it.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Define Mainstream Press first. Otherwise, how do we know you won’t move the goalposts?

Del Dolemonte on January 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM

I’d like to see her sit down and field the tough questions.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I’m guessing those tough questions that Fins is looking for won’t be anything about Iran or nukes or economics or inflation. No, they’ll be things like “Why are you such a whiny b_tch?” and “Can you even f__king read?” and “How come, when you were the VP nominee, you didn’t know that Africa was a continent?”

Aitch748 on January 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM

October 21, 2008.

One time, huh. Thanks.

Grow Fins on January 13, 2011 at 9:29 PM

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