Finally: Dupnik releases police reports on Loughner, family

posted at 7:04 pm on January 12, 2011 by Allahpundit

There were no missed red flags as far as I can tell. The Arizona Republic has brief summaries of 12 reports, the most damning of which involve him being drunk at school and being caught with pot paraphernalia while driving with his friend. See the Smoking Gun for more details. In fact, until the morning of the shooting, when he was stopped for running a red light but behaved unsuspiciously with the officer, Loughner had no run-ins with county police since 2008 — which at first blush seems surprising but makes sense in light of what his friends have said about him becoming more withdrawn as his illness progressed. It may be that, aside from going to class at community college, he spent much of his time over the past few years in his room, online, hallucinating.

Speaking of community college, the campus police released their reports too. There are red flags in those, but then we already knew that given what his classmates have said about fearing for their lives. A taste:

The final report was taken in September and led to the school serving Loughner a “notice of immediate suspension” after he disrupted another class.

The officer who took the report noted that “there might be a mental health concerns involved with Loughner,” according to the documents.

Later, when an officer served Loughner with the suspension notice at the family’s home in Tucson, the officer wrote, “While inside the garage, I spoke with Jared who held a constant trance of staring as I narrated the past events that had transpired,” the report states.

As the officer left, Loughner broke his silence and said, “I realize now that this is all a scam.”

And of course, there were red flags galore missed by Loughner’s friends. Big, bright, wavy red flags:

“He would ask me constantly, ‘Do you see that blue tree over there?’ He would admit to seeing the sky as orange and the grass as blue,” Mr. Gutierrez said. “Normal people don’t talk about that stuff.”…

“He would call me at 2 a.m. and asked, ‘Are you hanging out in front of my house, stalking me?’ He started to get really paranoid, and said he did not want to see us anymore and did not trust us,” Mr. Gutierrez said, referring to himself and another friend. “He thought we were plotting to kill him or steal his car.”

A lingering question mark: If this is all there is to the file, what did Dupnik mean when he referred to death threats (to some unspecified person(s), not necessarily Giffords) that Loughner had made? Were those outside the county’s jurisdiction? The odd thing about the detail regarding threats — and yet another blow to the left’s narrative about tying this somehow to the threats made against congressmen during the health-care debate — is that truly dangerous nuts typically don’t contact their targets. In fact, according to a 1999 study cited by Ronald Bailey in his piece yesterday for Reason, not a single one of the 83 would-be assassins they looked at made threats to the target or to police before the attack. Which, again, makes sense per the point above about psychological withdrawal. As these guys retreat further into fantasyland, they may simply drift away from communicating with people even to the point of forgetting to harass their hate object.

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?


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It may be that, aside from going to class at community college, he spent much of his time over the past few years in his room, online.

Uh oh.

BKeyser on January 12, 2011 at 7:08 PM

On the morning of the shooting, a mumbling Jared Loughner fled after his father asked him why he was removing a black bag from the trunk of a family car, said Nanos and Rick Kastigar, chief of the department’s investigations bureau. Investigators are still searching for the bag.

Weapons?

Disturb the Universe on January 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM

What was it?

good question. They’ve got dad, and they’ve got junior, so put ‘em in the comfy chair until they fess up.

ted c on January 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Somethings not right here. Where’s the death threats Sheriff dipstick admitted there were?

sandee on January 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Hmm… there were reports of a 911 call being made by someone at the college… what happened with that?

ninjapirate on January 12, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?

Good question.

mizflame98 on January 12, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Exit question:

The glock?

BKeyser on January 12, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?

Good question.

mizflame98 on January 12, 2011 at 7:11 PM

It has to be something out of the ordinary for him to chase after him.

the_nile on January 12, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Uh oh.

BKeyser on January 12, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Easy there BKeyser, you can quit whenever you want. Right?

rihar on January 12, 2011 at 7:12 PM

he spent much of his time over the past few years in his room, online, hallucinating.

Grows Fins & Drywell do this all the time and they aren’t killers. /

portlandon on January 12, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Loughner needs an MRI, stat.

He sounds like a talking brain tumor.

profitsbeard on January 12, 2011 at 7:14 PM

becoming more withdrawn at his illness progressed.

This guy is not crazy. Angry, but not crazy. I’ll predict his parents were very liberal, and raised him according to liberal dogma; don’t hurt his self esteem, praise him for everything, negotiate rather than punish, be a friend. Jared learned he was being controlled by language, and the only way he could win the negotiation was by force of will. I’ll predict he was the dominate personality in the family from an early age.

He learned he could intimidate, he learned to ‘screw with peoples minds’ by throwing weird ‘stuff’ out into the air.

He never had rules, or limits, or boundaries, or consequences. He isn’t crazy, he’s feral. Alpha dog to which rules don’t apply.

Skandia Recluse on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

So, did they find the voodoo doll of Jared at the Wasilla compound yet?

Christien on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

I heard someone ask about the death threats and the Sherriff knew about them. He said “Yes”.

What was that about. Was he making death threats randomly?

I guess I still think they are not giving us everything.

petunia on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Scrubbers working over time…

… If they can blame Palin, I can start a conspiracy theory.

Just what was said on that call from the President…

…. Hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm?

Seven Percent Solution on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Exit question: What was it?

Confessed that he’d just finished the first three episodes of Sarah Palin’s Alaska, natch.

-Paul Krugman

Weight of Glory on January 12, 2011 at 7:16 PM

So where are the “death threats” that the Sheriff referred to?

If this is a complete list, why are there no records of the death threats?

Kasper Hauser on January 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Skandia Recluse on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

I think he’s crazy as all get out.

Totally out of touch with reality.

Fortunately, Arizona’s law is “insane and guilty”, so it isn’t an either or situation.

petunia on January 12, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Skandia Recluse on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

I agree. We have to stop calling him mentally ill. The reports square with the college reports but where are the death threats? This still smells.

ORconservative on January 12, 2011 at 7:18 PM

So why did BHO call the sheriff?

d1carter on January 12, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Check out the story on Smoking Gun where some kids poke him with a pen and he thinks its a needle and demands they get an HIV test.

That was 2004.

He’s been nutty for a while now.

Disturb the Universe on January 12, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Everything will come out through the discovery process. What’s been released are reports that are already available as public record.

Perhaps we should focus on what a PC world we’ve become. Where it is unkind, unfair, racist, judgmental to actually make that call when you KNOW that there is something seriously wrong with someone.

Look at this man’s face. He looks like a monster. Is this what he looked like when he trudged the streets of Tucson? Were those he encountered too afraid of being judged by our liberal PC overlords to make the call that could have saved lives, including his own?

Key West Reader on January 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Scrubbers working over time…

… If they can blame Palin, I can start a conspiracy theory.

Just what was said on that call from the President…

…. Hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm?

Seven Percent Solution on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

My thought too!

Hobbes on January 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Exit question: What was it?

Daddy’s pot plants.

Knucklehead on January 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Why bother releasing the reports when the Blood Libel Media have already given us all the facts.

Christien on January 12, 2011 at 7:20 PM

What was his username at HuffPost and Kos?

faraway on January 12, 2011 at 7:21 PM

So, did they find the voodoo doll of Jared at the Wasilla compound yet?

Christien on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Not necessary. She communicated with him telepathically.

BuckeyeSam on January 12, 2011 at 7:22 PM

One reason for his decline the past several years could be due to the marijuana use and his schizophrenia, if he was schizophrenic. I believe marijuana use can really fry the brain of the schizophrenic. According to one of the psychiatrist we use to work with, he repeated more than once that pot smoking can due irreparable damage to the schizophrenic mind. To the point that even medications will be useless.

JellyToast on January 12, 2011 at 7:25 PM

We won’t know the entire story until Palin admits a herd of NYT investigators into her house to look for evidence, and if she refuses, obviously she is trying to hide something.

Bishop on January 12, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Not necessary. She communicated with him telepathically.

BuckeyeSam on January 12, 2011 at 7:22 PM

She is attractive and articulate, but I don’t think she is telepathically capable of understanding what’s going on here.

/Clyburn off

Christien on January 12, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Scrubbers working over time…

… If they can blame Palin, I can start a conspiracy theory.

Just what was said on that call from the President…

…. Hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm?

Seven Percent Solution on January 12, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Exactly. I don’t think all that was said, was reported. Nor will it be. Also…records released, but how many were held back?

capejasmine on January 12, 2011 at 7:28 PM

On the one hand, Dupnik said there were death threats and they’re missing from the files.

On the other hand, we already kind of know he’s not all there and has a mouth problem.

Merovign on January 12, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Loughner’s Hero Barack Obama? The examiner.com has reported that the Youtube page of Lee Loughner had Barack Obama listed as one of his heroes, along with: Venezuelan Communist Hugo Chavez, Latin American Communist mass-murderer Che Guevara,and American Socialist revolutionary Saul Alinsky

Nearly Nobody on January 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM

So, according to ABC, Palin used voodoo to make Jared’s family insert themselves into this story.

Christien on January 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM

I’m watching the live chat on the Tuscon local news paper. They’re live streaming the event….The Sheriff just arrived at the venue to a wildly cheering crowd….Oh well.

http://azstarnet.com/online/multimedia/html_4d746578-1dcf-11e0-acc5-001cc4c002e0.html

repvoter on January 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM

What was his username at HuffPost and Kos?

faraway on January 12, 2011 at 7:21 PM

OK, who’s been missing at HotAir lately?

pedestrian on January 12, 2011 at 7:36 PM

He may have been hold up in his room most of the time, but enough kids are coming forward and said that he was their friend and talked about his bizarre behavior. Why didn’t any of them say, Hey, Jared, why not see a doctor?

Blake on January 12, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Trying to find a bright spot, perhaps Sheriff Dipshit will finally find a decent electoral challenger to oust his sorry butt.

DirectorBlue has an interesting post about him.

GnuBreed on January 12, 2011 at 7:39 PM

I would hope that the person or people who got the death threats would speak out eventually.

And maybe some reporter will actually ask Dupnik some questions about it. Not holding my breath.

Missy on January 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM

On the one hand, Dupnik said there were death threats and they’re missing from the files.

On the other hand, we already kind of know he’s not all there and has a mouth problem.

Merovign on January 12, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Dupnik also gave the impression that the death threat reports made by citizens were brushed off with something like “don’t worry, he’s being looked at by mental health.” He also said doing more would have ‘created more trouble’.

In doing that, he may have avoided doing a written report. Is that legal? Again, why the special consideration for Loughner? Favor for another county employee?

slickwillie2001 on January 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM

I can understand why his parents are devastated, but I don’t understand how his parents could not understand how this happened. How could they be so unaware of such bizarre behavior?

He was clearly someone crying out for mental health help.

Common Sense on January 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Interesting. Dad has no problem calling police when someone speeds past his house or a neighbor is makes a mess, but he doesn’t think to call them when his deeply disturbed son takes off into the desert, angry, with a loaded firearm.

Infidoll on January 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Nearly Nobody on January 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM

If true, you can bet that the LA Times knew this, when they decided to blatantly lie about him being a right winger. They’re trying to stay one step ahead of the game, in my opinion.

capejasmine on January 12, 2011 at 7:43 PM

.The Sheriff just arrived at the venue to a wildly cheering crowd….Oh well.
repvoter on January 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Cheering crowd? at this event? weird.

Electrongod on January 12, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?

He turned on Talk Radio?

He read Hot Air?

He got a Sarah Palin tattoo?

He registered Republican?

I don’t know … must be one of those things.

MeatHeadinCA on January 12, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Dupnik also gave the impression that the death threat reports made by citizens were brushed off with something like “don’t worry, he’s being looked at by mental health.” He also said doing more would have ‘created more trouble’.

In doing that, he may have avoided doing a written report. Is that legal? Again, why the special consideration for Loughner? Favor for another county employee?

slickwillie2001 on January 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Slick, from where did you get that information?

Ira on January 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM

MeatHeadinCA on January 12, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Meathead, I think you got it.

Ira on January 12, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?

He turned on Talk Radio?

He read Hot Air?

He got a Sarah Palin tattoo?

He registered Republican?

I don’t know … must be one of those things.

MeatHeadinCA on January 12, 2011 at 7:45 PM

It was his radio with a Rush Limbaugh bumper sticker over the dial.

Electrongod on January 12, 2011 at 7:50 PM

I don’t care, I still think he has been breathing 4 days too long and his breathing will continue for much longer than he deserves.

Give me a “Pre-Pardon” and I’ll gladly deal with him.

Tim Burton on January 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Yeah, ACE is reporting they’ve got Together We Thrive T shirts ready to pass out for tomorrow’s memorial.

JellyToast on January 12, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Looks like Sheriff Dipshit pulled some things out of his anal orifice.

GarandFan on January 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Common Sense on January 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Infidoll on January 12, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Because like way too many parents these days, they thought their little darling could do no wrong.

CurtZHP on January 12, 2011 at 8:04 PM

in light of what his friends have said about him becoming more withdrawn as his illness progressed.

Shouldn’t that read

in light of what his friends have said about him becoming more withdrawn as his illness right wing extremism progressed.

?

BowHuntingTexas on January 12, 2011 at 8:05 PM

I thought that he wasn’t going to release anything. Looks like the curb stomping that he’s getting from Limbaugh is getting his head screwed back on straight.

ted c on January 12, 2011 at 8:07 PM

I hope they have kept Loughner from seeing news, either on TV or in the papers. Otherwise, we may get a convenient confession from him – “Yes! Sarah Palin and her crosshairs drove me to it!”.

There are so many people wanting this to go a certain way that the layers of coverup are probably amazing. Having an extremely partisan character like Sheriff Dupnik in charge of the investigation is like letting Pelosi drain the swamp that is congress – you know how successful _that_ was.

We are probably never going to know the whole truth behind this event – and that’s exactly the way the left wants it.

Timothy S. Carlson on January 12, 2011 at 8:08 PM

hey’re live streaming the event….The Sheriff just arrived at the venue to a wildly cheering crowd….Oh well.

People cheering wildly at a memorial? That’s pretty sick.

LASue on January 12, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Grows Fins & Drywell do this all the time and they aren’t killers. /

portlandon on January 12, 2011 at 7:13 PM

LOL; and crr6 is their dealer…

Keemo on January 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM

I recall reports say that momma “worked for the county” and that those making complaints shouldn’t really push all that hard because it was being looked into.

What’s up with that in light of this doc dump?

Jason Coleman on January 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM

They’ve got dad, and they’ve got junior, so put ‘em in the comfy chair until they fess up.

ted c on January 12, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Not the comfy chair!?
Next you’ll be suggesting the soft cushions!!

tickleddragon on January 12, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I’m seeing this name becoming a common stret slang term, i.e., “You are such a Dupnic”,

MikeA on January 12, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?

Probably running away with a copy of Sarah Palin’s memoirs and a Rush podcast in the iPod.

Dad must have sensed that something was up.

/left

Good Lt on January 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM

I can’t help but feel Mr. President is making a political opportunity out of his visit to Arizona with his speech. Must he make every story about him? It’s kind of pathetic. I can’t watch.

scalleywag on January 12, 2011 at 8:49 PM

The audience acts like it’s a rally for Mr. President.

scalleywag on January 12, 2011 at 8:50 PM

The audience acts like it’s a rally for Mr. President.

scalleywag on January 12, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Because it is.

CurtZHP on January 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Grows Fins & Drywell do this all the time and they aren’t killers. /

portlandon on January 12, 2011 at 7:13 PM

… that you know of.

AZfederalist on January 12, 2011 at 9:04 PM

THE BLACK BAG: Remember in the video where he burned a flag and he was dressed in the freaky deaky black plastic garbage bag with that weird skull like mask?

Probably that and the mask and whatever else he used to make the video.

NickTx on January 12, 2011 at 9:06 PM

Exit question: On the morning of the shootings, Loughner did something that alarmed his father enough for the old man to chase him into the desert before giving up. What was it?

He may have told his father good bye, that he didn’t expect to live much longer? There are those who think Laughner thought he was going to go out in a blaze of glory – Suicide by Cop. If he is out in the middle of the street in the wee hours of the morning it doesn’t look like his parents were monitoring his behavior closely. Neighbors would say they would see him outside in the street around midnight and 1:00 in the morning.

Dr Evil on January 12, 2011 at 9:25 PM

There were no missed red flags as far as I can tell. The Arizona Republic has brief summaries of 12 reports, the most damning of which involve him being drunk at school and being caught with pot paraphernalia while driving with his friend. See the Smoking Gun for more details.

Official Records, we don’t know what conversations transpired between the Sheriff’s department and the Laughner family. We don’t know about inter department police communications about Jared Lee Laughner. The Sheriff’s Department isn’t the only police presences in Tuscon. I would call this “at first blush”.

Dr Evil on January 12, 2011 at 9:30 PM

it doesn’t look like his parents were monitoring his behavior closely. Neighbors would say they would see him outside in the street around midnight and 1:00 in the morning.

Dr Evil on January 12, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Even though he was living at home, he is still over 20 years old; how much “monitoring” of his behavior do you expect his parents to engage in for a person of that age?

AZfederalist on January 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Sheriff Dipstick had plenty of time to sanitize those police reports. Remember we’re dealing with a dem who got the call from dear leader.

Kissmygrits on January 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

There’s more to this and the FBI will find it. Dupnik will have his 15 minutes but the 16th minute won’t be so pleasant.

roux on January 12, 2011 at 10:16 PM

There’s more to this and the FBI will find it. Dupnik will have his 15 minutes but the 16th minute won’t be so pleasant.

roux on January 12, 2011 at 10:16 PM

The Bamster’s FBI? Eric Holder’s FBI? Don’t be too sure.

slickwillie2001 on January 12, 2011 at 10:36 PM

AZfederalist on January 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

His father was chasing him into the desert that morning he seemed to think there was a reason to run after him (Isn’t that monitoring him?)

Dr Evil on January 12, 2011 at 11:10 PM

There were no missed red flags as far as I can tell. The Arizona Republic has brief summaries of 12 reports,

Sanitized for your protection SNARK.

Dr Evil on January 12, 2011 at 11:12 PM

This guy is not crazy. Angry, but not crazy. I’ll predict his parents were very liberal, and raised him according to liberal dogma; don’t hurt his self esteem, praise him for everything, negotiate rather than punish, be a friend. Jared learned he was being

Umm, after reviewing his “word salad” speech, which is typical of schizophrenia, and his writings, speech & actions showing high paranoia, I’m voting for Crazy. His speech patterns – and anger at no one understanding them – are classic for schizophasia.

He may have liberal parents. Or overwhelmed parents. Or whatever. Evidence yet to be seen. But there are many, many tidbits of evidence pointing toward a

ace tomato on January 12, 2011 at 11:24 PM

towards a young man sinking into schizophrenia. Loughner has classic symptoms of schizophrenia:

Schizophr­enia … is a mental disorder characteri­zed by a disintegra­tion of the process of thinking and of emotional responsive­ness. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinat­ions, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganiz­ed speech and thinking..­.”

Which is no excuse for what he did. He was obviously able to control himself and conduct himself in a manner close enough to normal to not make a policeman raise an eyebrow earlier in the day.

I’m just saying – all his dogs are not on leashes.

ace tomato on January 12, 2011 at 11:29 PM

Grows Fins & Drywell do this all the time and they aren’t killers. /

portlandon

Not that we know of, anyway. Most likely just a matter of time though before they both go over the edge.

xblade on January 13, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Finally: Dupnik releases police sanitized reports on Loughner, family

FTFY

Vic on January 13, 2011 at 6:22 AM

It may be that, aside from going to class at community college, he spent much of his time over the past few years in his room, online.

Uh oh.

BKeyser on January 12, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Is this an allahpundit alert?

PrettyD_Vicious on January 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Hey Dupnik – - Look at my eyes. I’m talkin’ to you. You do not have a clear understanding of your job. It’s time to spend more time with the grandchildren.

kens on January 13, 2011 at 4:20 PM

So, according to ABC, Palin used voodoo to make Jared’s family insert themselves into this story.

Christien on January 12, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Heh! Good one. You know, ABC has really performed very poorly with their coverage of this entire incident.

For example, the Diane Sawyer interview with the Sheriff was truly pathetic, particularly because it aired after the take-down that Megyn Kelly did on Dupnik. Kelly had successfully forced him to admit that there was absolutely no factual basis whatsoever to the charge that Sarah Palin rhetoric had somehow set Loughner off, and she made him concede that it was purely his opinion!

Unbelievably, Sawyer proceeded to read the guy a Rush Limbaugh criticism of the Sheriff (she didn’t even show him a clip — she just read it off a slip of paper) and the Sheriff then immediately doubled down on his argument that harsh, right-wing rhetoric had somehow made Loughner do it. But this time he blamed Rush as the culprit instead of Sarah Palin!

And Sawyer just stood there, presumptively in complete agreement with him, nodding like a back windshield bobble doll. She didn’t challenge him in any way, or ask him what the basis of his opinion was.

Trochilus on January 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Not that we know of, anyway. Most likely just a matter of time though before they both go over the edge.

xblade on January 13, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Right about the time all the chest-thumpers actually take up arms against the police/army/etc. Go sharpen your ‘blade’, you oaf.

Uncle Sams Nephew on May 30, 2011 at 3:59 PM