The shame and hypocrisy of the New York Times

posted at 10:12 am on January 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

We noted yesterday the fingerwagging at CNN over the Fort Hood shootings and the urge to link it to radical Islam, and the rush at the network to blame another mass murder on Republicans like Sarah Palin and Tea Party activists, even though the shooter had no known link to either.  Many of our commenters rightly stated that CNN was hardly alone in this utter hypocrisy, and Philip Klein at the American Spectator provides another air-tight case.  He compares editorials from the New York Times then and now to expose the Gray Lady as a shrieking hysteric and a sickening example of media sources that act more like attack dogs than journalists:

November 8, 2009:

In the aftermath of this unforgivable attack, it will be important to avoid drawing prejudicial conclusions from the fact that Major Hasan is an American Muslim whose parents came from the Middle East.

President Obama was right when he told Americans, “we don’t know all the answers yet” and cautioned everyone against “jumping to conclusions.”

Unverified reports, some from his family members, suggest that Major Hasan complained of harassment by fellow soldiers for being a Muslim, that he hoped to get out of a deployment to Afghanistan, that he sought a discharge from the Army and that he opposed the American military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. There were reports that some soldiers said they had heard him shout “God is Great” in Arabic before he started firing. But until investigations are complete, no one can begin to imagine what could possibly have motivated this latest appalling rampage.

There may never be an explanation. And, certainly, there can never be a justification.

January 10, 2011:

It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman’s act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.

That whirlwind has touched down most forcefully in Arizona, which Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described after the shooting as the capital of “the anger, the hatred and the bigotry that goes on in this country.” Anti-immigrant sentiment in the state, firmly opposed by Ms. Giffords, has reached the point where Latino studies programs that advocate ethnic solidarity have actually been made illegal.

Its gun laws are among the most lenient, allowing even a disturbed man like Mr. Loughner to buy a pistol and carry it concealed without a special permit. That was before the Tucson rampage. Now, having seen first hand the horror of political violence, Arizona should lead the nation in quieting the voices of intolerance, demanding an end to the temptations of bloodshed, and imposing sensible controls on its instruments.

The difference between the two shootings was that subsequent evidence showed that Nidal Hasan communicated with a known al-Qaeda leader, Anwar al-Awlaki, and shouted “Allah akbar!” during his murder spree.  His radicalization had become known to his chain of command, which worried about overreacting rather than addressing the threat.  Everyone bent over backwards to avoid dealing with Hasan, including those who knew of his secret communications with Awlaki.

In contrast, no one has posited even a remote connection between Loughner and the GOP or the Tea Party.  The Times also conveniently ignores the fact that both sides use the same imagery and indulge in the same demonization, including the Times itself in this editorial by imputing blame for a mass murder on people with legitimate political grievances who address them within the political system.  That’s not just hypocritical, it’s exceptionally despicable.

Advising people not to jump to conclusions in the immediate aftermath of the Fort Hood shootings was good advice.  Too bad the New York Times wanted to smear its political opponents so badly with this shooting in Arizona that they couldn’t accept their own counsel.  Like CNN, the Times holds itself out as a supposedly non-partisan source of news and information, and like CNN, their hypocrisy reveals the truth now in a particularly ugly manner.


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If this guy was so weird that a professor at the school was afraid to turn his back on him. If it was so obvious that this guy was unstable, why wasn’t he reported? Why wasn’t he helped?

A little history of mental instability may have come up on a gun, backround check as well but no one wanted to step up and report this guy.

Vince on January 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

What makes this even more exasperating, is that the so called “anger” of the Tea Party was also a completely fictional creation of the MSM and the Dem politicians.

They ran with the theme, The Voters are Angry.

“They don’t really know what they are doing, because the are angry.” -Obama, Kerry, Frank, MSM, and associates…

Things are truly getting out of hand.

reaganaut on January 10, 2011 at 11:23 AM

crr6: Did you finally find the hypocrisy and now you’re hiding with your tail between your legs?

VibrioCocci on January 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM

If this guy was so weird that a professor at the school was afraid to turn his back on him. If it was so obvious that this guy was unstable, why wasn’t he reported? Why wasn’t he helped?

A little history of mental instability may have come up on a gun, backround check as well but no one wanted to step up and report this guy.

Vince on January 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Exactly.

Buy Danish on January 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM

What do Tim McVeigh and Jared Laughner have in common?

They both enjoyed sharing Thanksgiving at Sarah Palin’s house?

Photo from Thanksgiving at Sarah Palin’s house.

Emperor Norton on January 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM

OK. Why would Loughner have been denied a gun in any state?
Was he a convicted felon?
Was he commited to an insane asylum & found to be mentally unfit in some way?
Seriously-this is such utter crap.
Law biding citizens who have not been convicted of any crime are allowed to purchase weapons.
We cannot have a society that would deny one their Cosnt right to own a weapon bcs they sound or appear dangerous.
These liberals are all nothing but hypocritial control freaks.
They are disgusting.
All we hear is class warfare propaganda from the Left & that is always OK, even if it incites violence against anyone on the right, but get a sniff of a Conservative doing anything close to that, & suddenly someone should be held responsible, even if it isn’t a conservative, it’s still OK just to make $hit up so they can place the blame on us.
Despicably hideous awful people.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 11:36 AM

If this guy was so weird that a professor at the school was afraid to turn his back on him. If it was so obvious that this guy was unstable, why wasn’t he reported? Why wasn’t he helped?

A little history of mental instability may have come up on a gun, backround check as well but no one wanted to step up and report this guy.

Vince on January 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

He was reported by the professor, more than once – and the school officials said “Let’s wait until he does something.”

More insanity visited upon the populace by the Left. God forbid anybody value common sense over the “rights” of a paranoid schizophrenic.

warbaby on January 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM

I am no longer going to let liberal trash anger me any longer. My time and efforts are better spent doing whatever is necessary to prevent these repulsive angry and just plain delusional people from turning our country into a sh** hole.

The liberal hate machine grows more evil with every day. Their misery is contagious. We can’t let these people distract us from working towards electing more quality people in 2012.

makaput on January 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Via our friends from Wizbang, Rick quotes Glenn Reynold’s post in the WSJ and the “climate of hate“:

“There’s a climate of hate out there, all right, but it doesn’t derive from the innocuous use of political clichés. And former Gov. Palin and the tea party movement are more the targets than the source…..”

In the spirit of toning down the rhetoric, I will use no targets, crosshairs, etc., but I will simply point my finger at the finger-pointers by asking if Mr. Reynolds could ask Paul Krugman, (who is using this tragedy), why he has done nothing but ratchet up the rhetoric with his last two pathetic accusations/opinions attacking everyone on the right—Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, etc, while defending Olbermann, Maddow, and his cronies on the left.

January 8th
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/assassination-attempt-in-arizona/

January 9th
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB

Both of Mr. Krugman’s post are filled with nothing but vitriolic disdain for conservatives, while he echo’s the talking points of the same liberal media he wallows in.

Funny, that it took a commenter from Canada to put Mr. Krugman’s hypocrisy in its place:

“From Krugman, a man who positively oozes contempt for his political opponents, calling for civility from the other team is a calculated insult and consciously hypocritical. Violent actions from the left are frequent occurrences. These do not concern Krugman.

Vaguely violent metaphors are common in all parts of the political spectrum.

I think the real malady is despising people who disagree. Those who you despise are not to be reasoned with, and Krugman is certainly not interested in doing so.

Civility is not an area where it is appropriate for the likes of Paul Krugman to lead.”

Timothy Z …….Calgary, Canada

Pot, meet kettle.

(You’ve gotta just love some of them Canadians:)

Rovin on January 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM

This example of media bias and propaganda should be never be forgotten…

… and those that advertise in that fish wrap should feel the sting as well.

Seven Percent Solution on January 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM

BTW- it is very difficult to maintain a mentally ill person is a risk to the safety of society.
Just like any crime, you actually have to commit it or be shown with intent to commit somehow i.e. by making death threats, etc.
If this guy was just ‘scary’ & seemed mentally ‘unstable’, or just seemed ‘odd’ WTH right is it of anyone to deny he had the right to purchase a gun?
One of my very dear friends was bi-polar & she committed suicide a few years back before X-mas.
Her husband knew it was going to happen & when she left him, we all tried to stop it, but there was nothing we could do bcs she was not a danger to society & at that point, not even a danger to herself.
But a lot of those with bi-polar disorder often commit suicide.
She did it with a gun she bought a few weeks before.
What are you going to do with people like that?
Forcibly commit them to an asylum & force the drugs they need to stay normal down their throats?
This is a free country.
My friend made a choice. And yes she was mentally ill.
But sometimes you cannot stop a person from making a terrible choice, no matter what you do.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Where’s the hypocrisy, Ed?
crr6 on January 10, 2011 at 10:25 AM

___________________________

Madam, in posing your absurd question, you have conclusively demonstrated you are utterly incapable of even the most fundamental level of analysis.

I might’ve gotten her mixed up with someone else, but it’s my understanding the a$$hat who calls herself ‘crr6′ claims to have a law degree. If so, then I can assure everyone on this site any such degree could only be of the mail order variety (or perhaps even self-bestowed).

alwyr on January 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM

But sometimes you cannot stop a person from making a terrible choice, no matter what you do.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

McVeigh, Sirhan Sirhan, Dahmer, Hinckley; the list is long, and it has nothing to do with “politics” but with the law of averages.
You have millions of people, and out of the millions of people you have some incredibly gifted, some incredibly giving, some incredibly intelligent, some incredibly stable, incredibly moral…and then you have the opposite.

How can you stop someone that “hears voices”…

right2bright on January 10, 2011 at 11:51 AM

alwyr on January 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Holder probably told his hired minions, if you shill for us…in 6 months we’ll make you lawyers. ;)

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Anyone remember those torch and pitch fork bus tours to AIG executives houses?

That wasn’t inciting violence though right?

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 11:56 AM

slickwillie2001 on January 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Why….that filthy conservative killer. How dare he pick the same books that are on every conservatives bookshelves, and Christmas ornaments.

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Where is the first shred of evidence that this shooter was motivated by the right wing politics? According to people he went to school with, he abused drugs, was hostile to religion and had a copy of The Communist Manifesto. That doesn’t sound like a right winger to me.

Was John Hinckley motivated by left wing politics? Or was he just insane?

Everything is not politics. The evidence to date suggests that the shooter – like the VA Tech shooter – was crazy. Let’s have some respect for the victims and get back to work.

But the political left – seeing another opportunity to hang the “crazy” meme on the Tea Party – is breathlessly blaming this on Palin, Beck et al before the facts are in. Remember that Mark Penn suggested – quite odiously – that Obama needed an Oklahoma City moment. Lovely.

In contrast, we were told not to “jump to conclusions” on the Ft. Hood shooting, despite the overwhelming evidence that the shooter was motivated by radical Islam. Funny how that works.

johnboy on January 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Remember the elderly people that showed up for the RNC convention for McCain/Palin being attacked on their bus? Or all those radical younguns running around smashing windows, and tipping over planters, and what not? I do. I feared for those poor old people. I certainly didn’t want to see any of them hurt, or have a stroke or heart attack from the stress these kids perpetrated on them.

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM

This is my shocked face.

:-|

Bruce MacMahon on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Advising people not to jump to conclusions in the immediate aftermath of the Fort Hood shootings was good advice. Too bad the New York Times wanted to smear its political opponents so badly with this shooting in Arizona that they couldn’t accept their own counsel. – Ed Morrissey

MORRISSEY IS A TWO FACED LIAR. HE IS A FRAUD.

Ed, does your hypocrisy know no bounds? Seriously? First of all you bozo’s – before anything else; this is temporary, OK. I’m only back for this thread and Ed’s other joke of a thread, “The shame — and hypocrisy — of CNN.” I’m only here to expose the Republican in name only Ed Morrissey as a two-faced double barrel phony. He’s taking you for a ride… and he knows it. Ed, obviously you have no shame: you’re part of the Lapdog RINO Media. Also, you’re responsible for two of the worst Hot Air posts of all time. You have posted this twice now in the last 24 hrs. You’ve complained about CNN and the Times rushing to blame a mass murder on Sarah Palin and Tea Party (and they are wrong for doing that) but you did the very SAME THING to Mike Huckabee when Maurice Clemmons killed four police officers in the state of Washington. You did the exact same thing as them. The Clemmons shootings weren’t even 24 hrs old and you attacked Huckabee. I mean, 24 hrs hadn’t even passed and you went political on the guy. You smeared him. You blamed him. And you left out details to make your article stronger. How are Hot Air readers supposed to know what happened when you left out details to make us believe that Huck was at fault? So you are a total hypocrite. I suggest everyone read this article which shows Ed Morrissey was putting blame on Mike Huckabee when he deserved none. Thanks to the Seattle Times we now have the facts and know what actually happened in the Maurice Clemmons case.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Please ban the concern-troll.

slickwillie2001 on January 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Is it computer day in the looney bin?

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 11:36 AM

It’s a difficult balancing act. After VA Tech Federal Laws were changed to make it more difficult for the mentally ill to obtain firearms, but clearly they are toothless. Privacy Laws are problematic. Something has to give:

When he applied and was admitted to Virginia Tech, school officials did not report his speech and anxiety-related problems or special education status because of federal privacy laws that prohibit such disclosure unless a student requests special accommodation.

The Virginia Tech review panel detailed numerous incidents of aberrant behavior beginning in Cho’s junior year of college that should have served as warning signals of his deteriorating mental condition. Several former professors of Cho reported that his writing as well as his classroom behavior was disturbing, and he was encouraged to seek counseling. He was also investigated by the university for stalking and harassing two female students In 2005, Cho had been declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice and ordered to seek outpatient treatment.

The Virginia Tech review panel report faulted university officials for failing to share information that would have shed light on the seriousness of Cho’s problems, citing misinterpretations of federal privacy laws.The report also pointed to failures by Virginia Tech’s counseling center, flaws in Virginia’s mental health laws, and inadequate state mental health services, but concluded that “Cho himself was the biggest impediment to stabilizing his mental health” in college.

And…

Prompted by the incident, the federal government passed the most significant gun control law in over a decade. The bill, H.R. 2640, mandates improvements in state reporting to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in order to halt gun purchases by criminals, those declared mentally ill, and other people prohibited from possessing firearms and authorizes up to $1.3 billion in federal grants for such improvements.

Buy Danish on January 10, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Anti-immigrant sentiment in the state, firmly opposed by Ms. Giffords, has reached the point where Latino studies programs that advocate ethnic solidarity have actually been made illegal.

B.S. The programs that were targeted advocated ethnic superiority, not ethnic solidarity (not to mention a lot of other anti-American, grievance-mongering nonsense). And they weren’t made illegal, they just can no longer be taught in public schools on the AZ taxpayers’ dime.

AZCoyote on January 10, 2011 at 12:08 PM

But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge.

You’ve got that backwards, NYT. People are angry because the economy sucks, we’ve been at war for ten years, and everybody is realizing that the promise of retirement is being squandered on programs we can’t afford and don’t need. Maybe the one and only thing that the left and right agree on right now is that they’re angry.

The last ten years has been like being caught in the middle of that last fight a couple has before they break up. You dodge one pan, and there’s already a pot flying from the other direction. It would be great if the next time something like this happens, the media agrees to pick a blackout day. Just one day for everybody to catch their breath and get some perspective.

RightOFLeft on January 10, 2011 at 12:08 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

easy on the caffeine.

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Is it computer day in the looney bin?

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM

How can you stop someone that “hears voices”…

right2bright on January 10, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I know. My ex bro in law heard voices. He thought he could fly & tried it.
So the family got him on meds & now he is a normal man & is a father.
Wonderful soul. Just is mentally ill.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I’m not quite sure about your sanity.
Maybe you should calm down a bit?

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 12:10 PM

You want to talk about Ed Morrissey lapdog syndrome?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Don’t know what came of these proposals:

On March 24, 2008, the U.S. Department of Education announced proposed changes in the regulations governing education records under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). Certain of the changes address issues raised by the Virginia Tech incident and are intended to clarify for schools the appropriate balance to strike between concerns of individual privacy and public safety.[85]

Buy Danish on January 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

You cant shame them into decency. Look on any news channel, the spin is set and they will all ask the question “Is the Tea Party behind this”? Substitute GOP or Sarah Palin as needed.

They’ll temper it a bit with some “both sides do it!” cover, but they did what they set out to do. The circus will fade by election time.

Dash on January 10, 2011 at 12:15 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Please go away.

Del Dolemonte on January 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

I might’ve gotten her mixed up with someone else, but it’s my understanding the a$$hat who calls herself ‘crr6′ claims to have a law degree. If so, then I can assure everyone on this site any such degree could only be of the mail order variety (or perhaps even self-bestowed).

alwyr on January 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM

No, she claims to be a law student.

Del Dolemonte on January 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Considering the youtube video you have linked to your name, how could I infer anything except you are a nutjob? Oh, that and your raving post.

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Its gun laws are among the most lenient,

And New York’s is the most stringent. And people still get mugged, raped and killed in New York.

abcurtis on January 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

abcurtis on January 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Mexico only has one gun store, it’s run by the government, it’s in Mexico City, to get a gun you have to fill out a bunch of forms, get checked out by the government, and wait for the paperwork to be processed.

slickwillie2001 on January 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

A few months ago, I saw this rather derelict looking fellow hanging around the neighborhood. Just so happens, one day shortly thereafter I saw a deputy sheriff parked across the street from my house. I decided to go over and have a chat with him about this guy. He told me, “yeah, we know about him. But we cant do anything until he does something.” My guess is the college administrators were in the same fix.

abcurtis on January 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Considering the youtube video you have linked to your name, how could I infer anything except you are a nutjob? Oh, that and your raving post.

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I see. You believe were spontaneously generated from a rock? OK, have fun with that Wolfman.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

The New York Fish Wrapper passed “despicable” years ago.

GarandFan on January 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

B.S. The programs that were targeted advocated ethnic superiority, not ethnic solidarity (not to mention a lot of other anti-American, grievance-mongering nonsense). And they weren’t made illegal, they just can no longer be taught in public schools on the AZ taxpayers’ dime.

AZCoyote on January 10, 2011 at 12:08 PM

When it’s whites (the KKK for example) racism is treated with the disgust it deserves. When it’s Blacks or Latinos it’s called “ethnic solidarity”. What a load of crap.

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

I see. You believe were spontaneously generated from a rock? OK, have fun with that Wolfman.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Science is your friend. You should study it sometime.

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Science is your friend. You should study it sometime.

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Hahaha! So, it’s true. You do believe great great great great grandpa was a rock. Oh, wow! Well, good luck to you, sir.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

When it’s whites (the KKK for example) racism is treated with the disgust it deserves. When it’s Blacks or Latinos it’s called “ethnic solidarity”. What a load of crap.
Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Ding.Ding.Ding.

Buy Danish on January 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

No, she (crr6) claims to be a law student.
Del Dolemonte

_____________________

Ahhhhh! I was going to say “Then ‘crr6′ might still have room for further advancement.” However, I seriously doubt whether law school can actually teach someone how to correctly analyse any given set of facts. You either have the facility or you don’t. Need I point to a famous editor of the Harvard Law Review in order to make my point?

alwyr on January 10, 2011 at 12:38 PM

No, she (crr6) claims to be a law student.
Del Dolemonte
_____________________

Ahhhhh! I was going to say “Then ‘crr6′ might still have room for further advancement.” However, I seriously doubt whether law school can actually teach someone how to correctly analyse any given set of facts. You either have the facility or you don’t. Need I point to a famous editor of the Harvard Law Review in order to make my point?

alwyr on January 10, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Harvard Law is the #1 Law School in the US, so its pedigree cannot be questioned. Even when the HLR “editor” you speak of never actually wrote anything for publication, the first time that had ever happened in Harvard’s history. He’s a Dem, so gets a pass on that.

Harvard Business School is the #1 Business School in the country. However, in the warped universe of the Left, it’s not, because they let Chimpy Bush in, and he got his MBA there.

BTW, I posted on several threads last week about how a guy was able to fake his way into and almost all the way thru Harvard. The Left wants to ignore that Inconvenient Truth as well.

And guess what? He was a constituent of Joe Biden’s.

Del Dolemonte on January 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Hahaha! So, it’s true. You do believe great great great great grandpa was a rock. Oh, wow! Well, good luck to you, sir.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

If that’s your understanding of the science then it’s pretty clear you haven’t studied it at all.

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

I am no longer going to let liberal trash anger me any longer. My time and efforts are better spent doing whatever is necessary to prevent these repulsive angry and just plain delusional people from turning our country into a sh** hole.
The liberal hate machine grows more evil with every day. Their misery is contagious. We can’t let these people distract us from working towards electing more quality people in 2012.
makaput on January 10, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Me too… The Hatefilled Left can go to hell where it belongs… I’m working my butt off to get conservatives elected in 2012!

CCRWM on January 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

As I said. Nutjob.

Oh, and doesn’t the bible say that god formed adam out of dust?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

Now who is descended from a rock?

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Thanks for that post, it shows us all what happens when some people are off their meds.
Now please, take your meds….you don’t know where I live do you?

right2bright on January 10, 2011 at 12:59 PM

right2bright on January 10, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Does he own a gun? Seems to live in a constant state of irrational rage, but does have a political agenda. Hmmmm.

a capella on January 10, 2011 at 1:09 PM

I’m getting really tired of all this Arizona bashing. What did Arizona ever do to the Times? They don’t have shootings in New York?

Shame, hypocrisy and plain derangement is spot on.

flataffect on January 10, 2011 at 1:19 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:00 PM

The kinda guy whose neighbors will someday say, “He seemed like normal guy… he was kinda quiet though… mostly kept to himself…”

Akzed on January 10, 2011 at 1:36 PM

You want to talk about Ed Morrissey lapdog syndrome? apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

No, we want you to pound sand.

Akzed on January 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM

If this guy was so weird that a professor at the school was afraid to turn his back on him. If it was so obvious that this guy was unstable, why wasn’t he reported? Why wasn’t he helped?

A little history of mental instability may have come up on a gun, backround check as well but no one wanted to step up and report this guy.

Vince on January 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Do you really want to live in a world where “reports” from college professors result in permanent records and restrictions on your second amendment rights?

Not every tragedy is avertable. He could have as easily rammed the crowd with a speeding car. Would be then on a quest to have a tip-line system for concerned members of the public that could lead to banning others from getting driver’s licenses or purchasing cars?

TexasDan on January 10, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Emperor Norton on January 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Thanks; I needed that! There hasn’t been a lot to laugh about these few days, but that’s good.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

I don’t really want to get into this fight, but I have to say, there is a huge difference in what the leftists are doing with this and what Ed wrote about Huckabee, that being that Sarah et al had absolutely NOTHING to do with this shooting. No way of preventing it, predicting it, causing it…Whereas, Huckabee, as governor who pardoned a violent criminal could have kept the man behind bars. The only way the man was in a position to commit his crime was that he’d been freed, by Huckabee. I don’t remember if Ed ‘blamed’ Huckabee, but he isn’t being a hypocrite here. Huckabee did have something to do with it, even if only making it possible. He isn’t to blame, the criminal is, but he did make it possible, by using poor judgment. He was connected to it. Sarah and the tea party did not make this possible. They have NO connection to it. Difference…

pannw on January 10, 2011 at 2:08 PM

No, we want you to pound sand.

Akzed on January 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM

It’s amazing at what grows in a petrie dish now days, isn’t it? LOL

pannw on January 10, 2011 at 2:08 PM

100% correct! Apacalyps is pushing the lefts agenda, and trying to force Huckabee as the Republican choice. Nothing more. He/She believes they are so smart, so clever, that they can imbed this into our minds, and agree with it.

Sad, sad, sad!

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM

I’m coining a new phrase: HOT AIR ZOMBIE.

Now, a Hot Air Zombie is more than likely a causal Hot Air reader who listens to every word that Ed Morrissey and the RINO lapdog Media has to say and takes it as Gospel. These are also the same type of people who refer to Mike Huckabee as a phony conservative and a liberal. And pretty much the same type of people who were introduced to Mitt Romney through the 2008 Republican primaries and thought that plastic, robotic, candidate (he answer questions like a robot, there’s no sincerity in him) who thought that flip flopping candidate who switches positions on every single issue was a true conservative and endorsed him in the 2008 Republican primaries. Also, anybody who expresses strong disapproval of Obamacare and is screaming and yelling about Obama’s health care plan, but overlooks Romney and Romneycare (which both critics and supporters alike say the same). Now, anybody who does that… first of all, get outta my face. You make me sick. Second, the next time one of your friends is over for a slice of pizza ask them to give you a RINO-slapping on the head. You are Hot Air Zombie, uh, yes-men guys, bowing down to Ed Morrissey and the lapdog RINO press every time you hear them. A HOT AIR ZOMBIE.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:16 PM

If that’s your understanding of the science then it’s pretty clear you haven’t studied it at all.

Scrappy on January 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

According to the evolution theory what cooled down from a HOT fiery mass about 4.6 billion years ago?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Ummm yeah. Ok!

If’ you’ve paid any attention here, most people don’t like Romney, or Huckabee for President.

As for coining new phrases….I’m sure it’ll catch on like a wild fire. You should work in advertising! ;)

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Oh, and doesn’t the Bible say that God formed adam out of dust?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

Now who is descended from a rock?

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Yes it does. So what? You haven’t proved you evolved. See, the difference between you and I, is that I admit we were created because creation is 100% scientific proof of a Creator. Anything that is organized had to be organized by someone. It doesn’t accidentally get organized. Pieces don’t accidentally come together and act as a whole. You on the other hand, you believe you came together by chance. You believe something as complex as DNA (that is, information for your eyes, ears, heart, circulatory and reproductive system) happened an accident and that is absolutely impossible. It’s absurd! Evolution is a joke!

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:32 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Your failure to understand basic scientific concepts is not surprising considering the lack of any sort of education displayed in your rambling, inane posts.

Evolution is a theory that attempts to explain how life has changed due to environmental and genetic factors to adapt to local conditions. This has nothing to do with the formation of the earth 4.5 billion years ago. Life as we know it does not include rock (although it is entirely possible that there IS silicon or other mineral based life in the universe and we just haven’t found it yet, but that would still not help your complete lack of understanding of grade school level scientific concepts)

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Thanks for that post, it shows us all what happens when some people are off their meds.

right2bright on January 10, 2011 at 12:59 PM

You’re welcome, Hot Air Zombie.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Now, having seen first hand the horror of political violence, Arizona should lead the nation in quieting the voices of intolerance, demanding an end to the temptations of bloodshed, and imposing sensible controls on its instruments.

I fully agree with the NYT advice. AZ should cease allowing any copies, written or electronic produced by the NYT, CNN or other major networks from entering that state, since these are clearly and obviously voices of intolerance to the people’s right of dissent. Further, some sensible controls of these intruments of intolerance should be imposed by having all items they broadcast or print review by a panel of everyday working people.

wepeople on January 10, 2011 at 2:36 PM

You want to talk about Ed Morrissey lapdog syndrome?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 12:13 PM

No, we want you to pound sand.

Akzed on January 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM

You wanna talk about a well heeled lapdog. Akzed’s too chicken to call Morrissey on anything.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:38 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:32 PM

First of all, I NEVER said there wasn’t any sort of higher power. I just haven’t seen conclusive proof of it. What I have a disagreement with is ‘Creationists’ like you who refuse to acknowledge established scientific fact. A 4.5 billion year old earth and a belief in a god are not mutually exclusive. Only a delusional person would refuse to see the truth, hence my original hypothesis that you are in fact in fact, a nutter.

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Oh, and doesn’t the bible say that god formed adam out of dust?

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
Now who is descended from a rock?

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM

LMAO!

I admit we were created because creation is 100% scientific proof of a Creator

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Scientific proof comes from consitent bovservations &/or data that proves or disproves something.
There is no proof available that God does, or does not, exist or made anything.
As a religious woman, I philosophize that a creator made everything bcs of the beautiful complexity of the universe.
And BTW-in order to admit something infers that you have intimate knowledge of the process.
Is God speaking to you? Or were you there on the day of creation, helping out?

Evolution is a joke!

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Evolution is a change in gene frequencies & no, it is not a joke. It is something that has been verified to happen in populations of living organisms, like yourself.
Instead of being afraid & threatened by things you do not understand, perhaps you could open your mind & conclude that it is possible God works in ways you simply do not understand & that the Bible,as the Pope has recently said, is allegorical in nature, & not definite.
That it is possible science is the way God created the universe.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM

The only way the man was in a position to commit his crime was that he’d been freed, by Huckabee.

pannw on January 10, 2011 at 2:08 PM

That’s not true. It is apparent that you do not know all the facts of the Clemmons case. I suggest you read this article.

I don’t really want to get into this fight, but I have to say, there is a huge difference in what the leftists are doing with this and what Ed wrote about Huckabee

You are missing the point. This is NOT about Mike Huckabee. The point is that Ed is blaming CNN and others for rushing to judgment so they can score cheap political points against Sarah Palin, when Ed did the same thing to Mike Huckabee not even 24 hrs after Clemmons went on his rampage. Just answer me this: How can anyone have all the facts less than 24 hrs after a mass killing??

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Remember that science only works with things that we can observe & measure, either directly or indirectly.
As our knowledge of the universe increases along with technology, more questions end up being posed than answered.
Science is ever changing bcs of this.
It is not static.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 2:47 PM

According to the evolution theory what cooled down from a HOT fiery mass about 4.6 billion years ago?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM

WTH is this alluding to?
Evolution is the change in genetic frequencies.

Evolution is a theory that attempts to explain how life has changed due to environmental and genetic factors to adapt to local conditions.
Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 2:35 PM

I think you explained this well.
And those ‘factors’ could very well be directed by a creator, but that is not for the realm of science to try & prove or disprove.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 2:50 PM

100% correct! Apacalyps is pushing the lefts agenda, and trying to force Huckabee as the Republican choice.

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Oh, brother (laughs). Nevermind the hypocrite, Ed Morrissey. We got ourselves another Hot Air Zombie brainwashed by his RINO Masters.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Left.Field.Sock.Puppet.

Inanemergencydial on January 10, 2011 at 3:03 PM

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM

There’s another nut-job creationist troll on here.
They’re a match made in heaven.
Yes! This scientist believes in heaven! DOH!

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Evolution is a theory that attempts to explain how life has changed due to environmental and genetic factors to adapt to local conditions. This has nothing to do with the formation of the earth 4.5 billion years ago.

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 2:35 PM

I understand perfectly well. It’s you who doesn’t understand your own theory. According to evolution where did the first life form come from and about how long ago?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Oh, brother (laughs). Nevermind the hypocrite, Ed Morrissey. We got ourselves another Hot Air Zombie brainwashed by his RINO Masters.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Why would Ed listen to you when all you’ve done for 2 days is bash him?

alwaysfiredup on January 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 2:47 PM

K, I’ve read EM’s piece that you linked, and I’m not sure I see it the way you do; I see very little to compare with what CNN/NYT/liberal politicians and media folks are doing with the Tuscon shooting, personally.

Ed was (imo) pointing out the realities of Huckabee’s political problems that were going to present themselves as a result of the FACT that two people he had granted clemency to had committed grevious crimes after that clemency.

This is FACT; we can discuss other aspects of those individuals, etc, but that FACT is irrefutable.

EM doesn’t (imo) seem to be suggesting that Huckabee WAS responsible for subsequent actions from those two, or that he had “blood on his hands”, etc – merely that the FACTS spelled some political stormy waters ahead for Huckabee.

On the other hand, what is happening here is that CNN/NYT/et al are 1) FACTUALLY behaving differently now in comparison to the stance they took with the Fort Hood shooting, and 2) actually suggesting that Palin / Tea Party / conservatives / conservative media persons ARE responsible for the shootings in Tuscon, DO “have blood on their hands”, calling for legislation to restrict speech, and generally and despicably using this situation as a political opportunity. They are not, as EM did in Huck’s case, simply suggesting that there might be some real political fallout for Palin as a result of these shootings, but they are, if you’re paying attention, literally saying that she (and more of us) are RESPONSIBLE.

Very different, imo.

Midas on January 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM

A 4.5 billion year old earth and a belief in a god are not mutually exclusive.

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 2:41 PM

As far as using evolution and blending it and saying, “God did it”. The god that would need evolution is cruel, he’s wasteful, he’s stupid, he’s deceitful. He’s not the God of the Bible, that’s for sure. It’s not in the character of God, of the Bible anyway, to use misfits, blind chance, and death. God gets it right FIRST TIME.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM

. It’s not in the character of God, of the Bible anyway, to use misfits, blind chance, and death. God gets it right FIRST TIME.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Oh really… Maybe you need to re-read a bit… God has always been quite fond, actually, of using misfits and counter-intuitive manifestations as a way of proving a point.

David (misfit child) versus Goliath?

Jesus, the Savior and King they’ve all been waiting for, arriving in Jerusalem not with pomp and circumstance, but riding on a donkey? Born to a carpenter and not the son of an earthly royalty?

Jesus spent a considerable amount of time with ‘misfits’ rather than hanging out at the kind of places with the kind of people that everyone ‘expected’. Many Old Testament events and many of His New Testament parables and greatest object lessons involved and centered around ‘misfits’, death, and what some folks might consider ‘blind chance’, perhaps if only to precisely to prove the point that God can do anything, to His purpose, even with misfits, ‘blind chance’, and death.

With all due respect, I think you’re *way* off base here.

Midas on January 10, 2011 at 3:20 PM

As a religious woman…

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM

That might be your problem. What are you Catholic or something?

Evolution is a change in gene frequencies & no, it is not a joke.

So you think this evolution theory is in complete harmony to what the Bible teaches?

There is no proof available that God does, or does not, exist or made anything.

Are you familiar with the First Law of Thermodynamics?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Say, are you a member of Fred Phelps congregation, because you are as delusional as they are…

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Good heavens people, get OT and exercise troll discipline.

TexasDan on January 10, 2011 at 3:24 PM

TexasDan on January 10, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Hush.. its fun to poke the delusional religious nut with the stick of logic and watch them squirm.

:)

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

As a religious woman…

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM
That might be your problem. What are you Catholic or something?

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM

And your problem with Catholics is…….?

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Ed Morrissey is a pro same-sex marriage hypocrite RINO. Read my post about that here.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Midas on January 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Well put. But does your reason actually matter to people like this?

The god that would need evolution is cruel, he’s wasteful, he’s stupid, he’s deceitful. He’s not the God of the Bible, that’s for sure. It’s not in the character of God, of the Bible anyway, to use misfits, blind chance, and death. God gets it right FIRST TIME.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Death happens all the time on this planet.
Through death change also occurs in lifeforms.
Changing genetic frequencies through environmental pressures coupled with inheritible DNA does not mean God is ‘cruel’.
If anything, you could argue that god is ‘cruel’ bcs he let’s us have Free Will to choose Him or death.
How ‘cruel’ is that?
Understanding changing genetic frequencies giving rise to new species does not make a person Godless, as some have said on HA.
It does not make God cruel.
It does not make those people ‘Darwinists’, or evil racists etc.
There is no way to prove that life forms evolving through changes in gene frequencies is either guided by a creator or NOT guided by a creator.
God uses whatever mechanism he uses to create life.
That is a philosophical point.
You & I do not know the mechanism that God used to create the universe.
He has not told any of us this information.
It is trivial.
And that is where your faith & belief in Him comes in.
Instead of bashing people who do not tow your religious viewpoint, perhaps you would serve the conservative cause better by being open minded & more tolerant instead of so vitriolic & crazy.
If the left sees all the crazy $hit you like to spew, they will judge the rest of us by bad apples.
Which is unfair, but it’s always been that people listen to the loudest in the bunch.
To hell with the fact they are not the majority.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:28 PM

And your problem with Catholics is…….?

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

I didn’t even mean that as a piece of bait.
How rich.
Smokin’ out the rats without meaning to.
I live in a Catholic/Lutheran community.
And am LDS.
Go chew on that one.
Insult me some more, now that you know I’m not Catholic.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:30 PM

capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Of coruse I wasn’t directing the snark to you.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:31 PM

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Whats wrong with that? Being as marriage is a religious concept, the government should not have any say in the matter (well, as long as it IS humans involved).

And you keep using that word, RINO. I don’t think it means what you think it means. Besides, I’m technically not a republican so you couldn’t call me a RINO. I am a conservative (as are most of the non-trolls are on HA) and not attached to any particular party (which both sides are corrupt as far as I am concerned).

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 3:31 PM

If this guy was so weird that a professor at the school was afraid to turn his back on him. If it was so obvious that this guy was unstable, why wasn’t he reported? Why wasn’t he helped?

A little history of mental instability may have come up on a gun, backround check as well but no one wanted to step up and report this guy.

Vince on January 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Nobody acted to help or stop him earlier because in our society, people (especially young people) expect government to solve all problems.

hawksruleva on January 10, 2011 at 3:31 PM

TexasDan on January 10, 2011 at 3:24 PM
Hush.. its fun to poke the delusional religious nut with the stick of logic and watch them squirm.

:)

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM

LOL!
I am done.
These religious nutbags are soulfully exhausting.
Although I do especially love how they like to call me Godless when supporting traditional scientific theories’ plausibility.
And then I especially love how they postulate my brand of religion & attack it.
The Catholic jab was way too precious.
LMAO!

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Why would Ed listen to you when all you’ve done for 2 days is bash him?

alwaysfiredup on January 10, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Ed won’t admit that he was wrong about Huckabee and he won’t stray from the Establishment because he wants to sub for Rush Limbo on his talk show when Rush is on holidays. That’s Ed’s dream which makes him a slave to his RINO Masters.

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:33 PM

Wait until the nutter finds out I am a conservative Buddhist :)

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Bwahaha!
This LDS,ranching science teacher finds that freaking hilarious!
I have found more bigotry, intolerance, & anger from those who identify themselves as ‘Christians’ than I have with any other ‘group’ of people.
I find this apalling.
Which is another reason Huckabee makes me ill.

Badger40 on January 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM

A mass of innocent people are murdered and/or maimed by a madman claiming to be observing the Islamic faith = don’t tarnish the many due to the actions of one twisted extremist.

A group of innocent people are murdered or maimed by a madman claiming to be an anti-government leftist = conservatives are to blame for fueling this man’s insanity and driving him to kill.

I’m wondering how those two views can be reconciled by the finger-waggers at the Times and CNN and MSNBC and…

Tonus on January 10, 2011 at 3:56 PM

They are not, as EM did in Huck’s case, simply suggesting that there might be some real political fallout for Palin as a result of these shootings…

You’re missing the point. Ed was trying to smear a political opponent just like CNN and the liberal media are doing to Palin right now. He put out a hit-piece on Huckabee less than 24 hrs after Clemmons went on a senseless shooting spree. It wasn’t even 24 hrs! He tried to make Huckabee’s judgment look questionable and we didn’t have all the facts in yet. Why would somebody put out a story like that so soon without all the details? Less than 24 hrs!!

apacalyps on January 10, 2011 at 3:59 PM

As soon as you stop using argumentum ad hominem to try to make your point, we might take you seriously.

Then again, you have proven you are a delusional nutbag who thinks Jesus rode on dinosaurs, so that and straw man arguments are all that a person like you can use. Trying to have an intelligent discussion or battle of wits with you would be against the Geneva Convention because of the disparity in opponents.

Wolftech on January 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM

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