Quotes of the day

posted at 10:44 pm on January 10, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Palin didn’t respond to an email Sunday afternoon. Her advisers are furious that she’s being linked to the tragedy, but recognize the delicacy of the situation and are trying to assess how best to halt it from spiraling further without making it any worse…

“Palin’s allies point out the unfairness of the situation, one that may force her to respond to a tragic event where there is so far no evidence that deranged shooter Jared Lee Loughner ever even mentioned Palin’s name, let alone found inspiration from her ‘targeting’ of Giffords…

“Consider these metrics: As of mid-day Saturday, Google trends showed that Palin ranked as the sixth-most popular search on ‘hot topics’ and ‘Sarah Palin crosshairs’ was number nine on the list of ‘hot searches.’ Further, Facebook’s Randi Zuckberg told ABC that the top question being asked on Facebook Sunday was: ‘Is Sarah Palin to blame?’

“Few Republicans would speak openly about the political stakes for Palin, but privately a number of strategists said that the mere existence of these internet searches and questions underscored her challenge.”

***
“Of all people, it is precisely those who have complained the loudest about the culture of debate — about the rhetoric of the Tea Party, the right wing’s harsh words and the baseless Obama-Hitler comparisons — who are now poisoning the debate with their own baseless insinuations. With little reliance on facts, they began searching for scapegoats for the attack and they found them, selectively, among the right wing, the Tea Party, Republican Party boss Michael Steele and Tea Party heroine Sarah Palin…

“Indeed, the massive criticism of Sarah Palin is misguided. This is not only due to the fact that the accusation is baseless, but also because the calculated attempt to weaken Palin in this manner could ultimately backfire.

“The reasoning is quite simple: Palin has always profited in the role of victim — a victim of the liberal elite. Time and again, she has been made fun of — when, for example, she spoke for the first time about foreign policy during the 2008 presidential campaign, and later when she wrote notes on her hand during speeches and television appearances. But every time people made fun of the Alaska politician or attacked her as being superficial and unqualified, it merely helped deepen the support of her followers. Now, the allegation that she carries partial responsibility for what has happened in Arizona could turn out to do more to help than harm her.

“Yet again, she could emerge as a political martyr.”

***
“Roger Ailes, the chairman and chief executive officer of Fox News Channel, has told his TV personalities to ‘shut up, tone it down’ in light of the sudden attention on harsh political rhetoric in the media…

“‘I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually,’ Ailes said in the interview, which was posted Monday. ‘You don’t have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that.’

“He emphasized that liberals and conservatives have been guilty of violent language. ‘Both sides are wrong, but they both do it,’ he said.”

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Disgusting. One of the real victim in this is just 9 years old, dead with a bullet hole in her chest. Not Palin. Boo hoo. You play with fire and you get burned. Welcome to the big leagues Sarah. Let’s see how sharp your political instincts are now.

Grow Fins on January 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM

And this is the point. For as “caring” as you liberals are, you seem to only care about this girl inasmuch as you can use her tragic death for your political purposes. An innocent 9 year old girl was killed. Her family is probably still in shock – or grieving horribly. Can’t ypu give it a break? It’s one thing to talk about the shooter in the situation – if you want to try to pin him to Palin, it’s an inane argument but not heartless. Gloating about the girl’s death with crude sarcasm to try to score a few political points in the comment section of a blog is truly tasteless. Talk about screwed up priorities. Show the girl and her family a little respect.

miConsevative on January 11, 2011 at 3:44 AM

John the Libertarian on January 11, 2011 at 3:41 AM

LOL!..I do not see that happening..:)

Dire Straits on January 11, 2011 at 3:44 AM

We had 9 inches of global warming fall steadily from Sunday morning until last night.

OmahaConservative on January 11, 2011 at 3:52 AM

Here is a quote for today Donald Trump For President?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9IzdSNivr0&feature=player_embedded
Nearly Nobody on January 11, 2011 at 3:09 AM

Wow! That was so refreshing to actual ideas about how to get jobs back. Best interviews of a possible candidate yet.

Also no one forget to watch the O’Rieley video above. It is very good.

PrezHussein on January 11, 2011 at 3:55 AM

And as we all know political rhetoric has absolutely nothing to do with what this kid did.

Blake on January 11, 2011 at 4:09 AM

Grow Fins on January 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM

“Let’s see how sharp your political instincts are now.”
“One of the real victim in this is just 9 years old, dead”

Play with fire and you get burned?

Seriously, your blaming a 9 years old for getting killed?

From
wsj GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS

(a) asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie;
or
(b) you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible.

Which is it Grow?
Are you (a) or (b)?

DSchoen on January 11, 2011 at 4:40 AM

there is so far no evidence that deranged shooter Jared Lee Loughner ever even mentioned Palin’s name, let alone found inspiration from her ‘targeting’ of Giffords…

The evidence found in this psycho’s house indicates that he targeted Giffords for assassination back in 2007.

Pretty hard for him to have been influenced in 2007 by Palin’s 2010 “targeting” of Giffords’ congressional seat.

But hey lefties, don’t let any actual facts or logic get in the way of your “all conservatives are racist and violent” meme.

AZCoyote on January 11, 2011 at 4:54 AM

What is the point? That Sarah Palin is the victim, the “martyr”? Six people are dead. Give me a break.

Grow Fins on January 10, 2011 at 10:53 PM

The point is:

The left is ,callously, and calculatingly, exploiting the dead to push a political agenda.

Like clockwork.
Pick a tragedy.
OKC.
Columbine.
Wellstone.
VT.

The left employs this slimy tactic every time.

I expect it to continue. But, hopefully this particular episode has removed the blinders many people were wearing, and the tactic will be less effective.

soundingboard on January 11, 2011 at 6:18 AM

good morning!

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 6:20 AM

Maybe I don’t listen or watch a broad range of right-wing talkers, I frequent Beck, Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly and Gibson, but I have NEVER heard any of them go off on a rant with such hate as Olberman or Schultz on MSNBC. Conservatives do not create an environment of hate or fear, every criticism flung out by the left in the last two years has been things that they are themselves doing.

cadams on January 11, 2011 at 6:42 AM

I expect politicians to have sympathy for the fallen and to await the facts and evidence in a case before spouting off.

I would also expect such from the chattering class, instead of going into politico-psycho evaluation at a distance.

There is evidence the killer is deranged: no sane person kills this way. Other indicators are pointing to an obsession with the Congresswoman and a general contempt for the lives of his fellow man. This is not due to any ‘air of hatred’ or ‘violence’ put forth by anyone so far as any evidence, that is facts and traceable information can be found. To imply otherwise is a blood libel, and those being so impugned are being intimidated into not responding by demands from those spreading the blood libel.

These ones doing the spreading don’t need to be brought into criminal court, but the court of public opinion to face those they so accuse and say these things to their face and then accept the response they get. Not in a debate but in a simple show of physical courage so that they can see that those they impugn are actual, living, flesh and blood human beings deserving of respect and civility. Don’t put in from a keyboard, go live, in front of an audience for millions to see and say those things so that everyone can measure the character of the accuser and here the response from the accused. You don’t need a ‘journalist’ or ‘commentator’ present, either, to try and spin the thing. Just plain, simple, letting everyone see the accusers and those they accuse and hear what is said.

It would be a good time to make an apology also.

We used to have a culture of duelling to end this sort of intellectual rot so that one puts their life with their accusations and learns to keep a civil tongue. It was a harsh method, but it did work and discredited a lot of people spreading hatred. We are too civilized to do that, today… so howzabout the next best thing. We can start with Paul Krugman and walk each and every person he accuses in front of him for a couple of hours…. the vileness of the hatred would be self-evident and quickly end his career. It might take a few days to clear out the hatred and air it openly, face to face, but it would go a long, long way towards putting it in the sunlight so the spread of it could be stopped.

ajacksonian on January 11, 2011 at 6:43 AM

O’Reilly’s upcoming interview with Obama before the Super Bowl should be very interesting. Let’s see if he has the courage to demand that Obama condemn these baseless accusations.

RedRedRice on January 11, 2011 at 6:48 AM

Uh, maybe the best way to deal with this is to go right on being conservatives!

We’ve got things that need to be done and we can’t allow name calling to make us throw away our children’s future! You want to talk about targets.. Obama and the Democrats still have a target on the American people!
The Democrats and Obama are going to milk this horrible tragedy for every single thing it is worth. But what if Americans stop listening and stay focused on changing this nation! We can either allow ourselves to be in bondage to false accusations by worthless despicable people or we can continue to move forward and rescue this nation!
Let the left continue to make wild accusations! Conservatives and Republicans can make their timely responses and go right on repealing!

There is more at stake here than the so called reputation of Sarah Palin and Rush! What is at stake is whether America will continue to be a free nation! What are we going to do! This was a horrible tragedy and if we are so freaking weak that we allow ourselves to throw away our future all because worthless people like Behar, Sheriff Dipstick and Chris Matthews shout names at us, we deserve what we will get!
Sarah Palin has nothing to feel guilty about! Rush Limbaugh has nothing to feel guilty about! If anyone is to blame other than the shooter it is probably that sheriff down in Tuscon! He was the one who knew Loughner was threatening people in his community and yet he did nothing to protect a congresswoman who had an open town hall meeting in his community! Or did he just sit back and wait for the tragedy to happen so he could shout and point fingers at those he hates politically!

If you want to throw around wild accusations. you could start throwing them at that sheriff! Why didn’t he didn’t he have a plan ahead of time to protect that congresswoman if he knew Loughner was a threat!?

JellyToast on January 11, 2011 at 6:48 AM

I stumbled on this,in a info quest google search
mission on,

Country Mood/USA 2000-2008
Polling Data,

vrs.,

2008-2011 Country Mood/USA
Polling Data,
===============

Worry,Blame,Anger—and a Little Optimism

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/weekinreview/20101031-election-poll-graphic.pdf

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM

Also, in cannot be understated, if Republicans need something to focus on from this tragedy, focus on the failure of mental health system! The American people can understand this! It is a simple thing to grasp! The mental health agency needs to be investigated! What did they know about Loughner and what did they do about it! What did this sheriff know about the threat Loughners posed and what did he do about it!

JellyToast on January 11, 2011 at 6:58 AM

Maybe I’ve missed it, but has McCain even come out to defend Palin? She did after all, help the old RINO get re-elected. You’d think he’d have the courage to stand up for her.

I called both senators and congressman yesterday (all Rs) and said that I wanted nothing to change, didn’t think Congress should be shut down for a week and was waiting for someone in Congress to denounce this leftist garbage. Of course, silence………….

TxAnn56 on January 11, 2011 at 7:00 AM

off topic from our left wing ghouls, but i would recommend people read this while we are all distracted.

In a spare, government-issue office in Lower Manhattan, behind a bank of cubicles and a scruffy copy machine, Josh Frost and a band of market specialists are making the Fed’s ultimate Wall Street trade. They are buying hundreds of billions of dollars of United States Treasury securities on the open market in a controversial attempt to keep interest rates low and, in the process, revive the economy.

To critics, it is a Hail Mary play — an admission that the economy’s persistent weakness has all but exhausted the central bank’s powers and tested the limits of its policy making. Around the world, some warn the unusual strategy will weaken the dollar and lead to crippling inflation.

rob verdi on January 11, 2011 at 7:00 AM

good morning!

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 6:20 AM

cmsinaz:)
===================================================

We Were Soldiers
****************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBbQm1avEY

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM

FINS loves the fact that the left is getting political with this. Fins is pathetic and gross. The use of this tragedy is wrong and the fact that it has been used to slime many peoples’ character makes it even worse. I really think the likes of Fins and others have a part of their souls (and minds) missing or damaged.

CWforFreedom on January 11, 2011 at 7:05 AM

Maybe I’ve missed it, but has McCain even come out to defend Palin?

TxAnn56 on January 11, 2011 at 7:00 AM

TXAnn56: You mean,Friends…My friends…..fight..fight
with me……

Umm NO,he’s MIA!:)

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:06 AM

“He emphasized that liberals and conservatives have been guilty of violent language. ‘Both sides are wrong, but they both do it,’ he said.”

I’m so tired of this. The entire left is violent. There are reams of books, videos, speeches and on line postings that show how inherently violent the left is. Virtually all acts of violence are by the left.

The left is trying to rile their base as we speak to riot in the streets. Riot, burn, destroy, kill. Their motto.

darwin on January 11, 2011 at 7:17 AM

Thank you, Andy C. McCarthy for your honest assessment of the Tuscon killing spree and its ugly aftermath.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/256813/horrid-crime-dishonest-debate-andrew-c-mccarthy

onlineanalyst on January 11, 2011 at 7:20 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBbQm1avEY

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM

:)

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:20 AM

Lefty Bingo Card!
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canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 6:59 AM

perfect

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:21 AM

darwin: McCarthy confirms your point.

onlineanalyst on January 11, 2011 at 7:21 AM

Yup!
==========

Monday, January 10, 2011

Dem Rep – Don’t Use Term “Job Killing” In Obamacare Repeal Bill

Here we go,

from Democratic House Rep. Chellie Pingree of Maine, writing at HuffPo (emphasis mine), who claims that the Obamacare repeal bill must be renamed in the wake for the Gabrielle Giffords shooting:

As I write this, the motivation behind the shooting of my friend Gabby Giffords and eleven others isn’t clear. We don’t know what prompted the shooter to show up at Gabby’s Congress on Your Corner at a Tucson grocery store with a semiautomatic pistol and the motivation to kill innocent people. We don’t know if it was unmitigated hatred and misdirected rage or paranoid delusion. We don’t know if was politics — aimed at Gabby’s courageous stands on health care and immigration. I suspect in the end, we’ll learn it was a combination of factors that led this young man to go on the rampage that shook the nation.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:23 AM

There is no point debating any of this. Two years ago, we were still being told dissent was the highest form of patriotism; now it’s the root cause of murderous rampage.

onlineanalyst on January 11, 2011 at 7:20 AM

thanks…great piece

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:23 AM

the slippery slope…

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 6:59 AM
==================
perfect

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:21 AM

cmsinaz:True,but its gonna get painted as a Incendiary
Hate Speech Graphics,by the Civilian National
Anti-Rhetric Assault Federal Forces!Sarc)
(kidding)

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:29 AM

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:23 AM
==============================
the slippery slope…

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

cmsinaz:True Dat,but in this case,the P*ssed Off,Angry,
and Out of Power,while they are still in a KOOL
Aid Induced Stupor,have now found a cause,play
ing Politics,with a Tragedy,the same as,and no
different than how Liberals treat the US Military
and its Wars as a Political Football!!:)

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:35 AM

People who say our political discourse is the “context” for the shootings don’t understand the meaning of context. Two things existing within the same space of time does not make one context for the other. They have to be related and these two, apparently, are not.

Dee2008 on January 11, 2011 at 7:35 AM

Have I missed something or has GW Bush been allowed to skate on this one?!? Usually the liberals find some way to link GWB to anything negative and the Sarah Palin angle is getting kind of tired. Oh wait, our idiot president is going to make a speech on this sometime and will probably start the Bush derangement syndrome firestorm on top of the Palin derangement syndrome. What was it Emmanuel said, “never let a crisis go to waste”. How about some preventative measures, democrats, instead of always “reacting” and looking for photo ops and political points after a tragedy occurs?!?

mozalf on January 11, 2011 at 7:37 AM

Was finally able to see the bor clip….kudos

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:38 AM

darwin on January 11, 2011 at 7:17 AM

We all know they project. That’s what they do. They do it constantly in matters both small and large. They are always projecting.

TheBigOldDog on January 11, 2011 at 7:39 AM

Canopfor @ 7:35, its absolutely shameful….

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM

This McCarthyism of the left – devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data – is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral weakness and bad sociology.

J_Crater on January 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM

Canopfor @ 7:29, big SIS tracker

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:43 AM

The media frenzy, the hysteria begins to fade and now we get thoughtful analysis from the muddle headed oh so concerned middle of the roaders who want to blame both sides! Really? The left attacks and the right defends and both sides are to blame?

What is it these moderate voices want, that after an outrageous attack from the left, the right should just submit and not say anything?

These same middle of the road compromisers use the same reasoning for the violence in the middle east. Both sides are to blame; Israel wants to grow, build settlements, prosper and live their lives, and the Palestinians want to wipe Israel off the map, yet both sides are to blame for the violence?

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 7:44 AM

JellyToast and Canopfor are great posters here at HotAir this morning.

Geochelone on January 11, 2011 at 7:45 AM

I guess this means it’s okay again to blame Ozzy for every suicidal metalhead.

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 7:46 AM

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 7:44 AM

I agree with you.

Geochelone on January 11, 2011 at 7:47 AM

Canopfor @ 7:29, big SIS tracker

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:43 AM

cmsinaz:Lol,….Large and in Charge:)

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM

Dear Mr. Limbaugh,

Will you please rip the Sheriff a new butt hole on your show today. He keeps talking out of the wrong end.

Thanks,
Geo

Geochelone on January 11, 2011 at 7:52 AM

JellyToast and Canopfor are great posters here at HotAir this morning.

Geochelone on January 11, 2011 at 7:45 AM

Geochelone:Work’n on it!:)

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:52 AM

Heh :)

C

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 7:55 AM

Since Team Hopey/Changey doesn’t want to work with
Team No,and talking to Democrats would be better
served by bang’n ones head against the Political
Wall,

we travel back to Jan 20 2009!!!!!!
====================================

Same as it Ever Was
====================

PolitiZoid (Talking Feds, Same As It Ever Was)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0SDQVOSmH4

canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 7:59 AM

Dying for lying. The person who shot Giffords in the head and killed the six others in Tucson had set aside reality so he could play God. Many will say he did it because he was insane, and perhaps that’s true. But just as likely, he did it because he was too self-absorbed to do something useful.

It’s bad enough to waste your own life on a lie, much worse to waste the lives of others on a liar.

After the infamous Jonestown massacre, in which 909 cult followers of James Jones died of “revolutionary suicide” in 1978, one of the survivors said he knew that Jones’ repeated talk of suicide was crazy, but he raised no objections because everyone around him acted as if Jones was making sense. (This man escaped just before the suicides -– and murders — began.)

J_Crater on January 11, 2011 at 7:59 AM

An even better segment on O’Reilly was his interview segment with Bernard Goldberg, who identifies the culprits of this sorry “narrative” as agenda-driven “journalists.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_shooting_true_lesson_ydz5cqXKNLAJ8ON24MCD1K

(Oops, wrong link. I will find it and post it later. The one above is good, too.)

onlineanalyst on January 11, 2011 at 8:00 AM

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canopfor on January 11, 2011 at 8:03 AM

Bernard Goldberg: “This is as bad as anything they have ever done.”

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4491730/goldberg-this-is-as-bad-as-anything-theyve-ever-done/?playlist_id=87937

onlineanalyst on January 11, 2011 at 8:03 AM

G’mornin’ everyone. It is very cooooold here.

OmahaConservative on January 11, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Disgusting. One of the real victim in this is just 9 years old, dead with a bullet hole in her chest. Not Palin. Boo hoo. You play with fire and you get burned. Welcome to the big leagues Sarah. Let’s see how sharp your political instincts are now.

Grow Fins on January 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM

One…you are the one who drags the 9 year old into this discussion on political ramifications.
Two, Palin did not even exist as a national figure in 2007 when the killer first came into contact with Giffords. She has a right to be described as a victim. All of us are, in one way or another, victims of these senseless murders.

And three, you know all of this as usual and are simply trolling for comments in a useless attempt to prove your intellectual and ethical superiority…it’s not working.

Deanna on January 11, 2011 at 8:13 AM

Remember this: “Grow Fins” thinks that it’s a good and appropriate test of Sarah Palin’s leadership skills to see how she copes with being falsely accused by the mass media, over and over again, of being an accessory to mass murder.

Aitch748 on January 11, 2011 at 8:14 AM

From Drudge:

Family members of Jared Loughner apparently had put on 4-by-4 double-thick plywood that blocked access to the front porch of their north Tucson home.

Have they been arrested, too?

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 8:21 AM

The left is trying to rile their base as we speak to riot in the streets. Riot, burn, destroy, kill. Their motto.

darwin on January 11, 2011 at 7:17 AM

Prepare…

Yoop on January 11, 2011 at 8:24 AM

I just hope Beck and Hannity will stop having a segment about who is the worst person in the worrrllllld. Oh wait….

Wagthatdog on January 11, 2011 at 8:25 AM

From Drudge:

Acquaintances said he was obsessed with the Mayan prophecy of a 2012 apocalypse and mind control.

We need to blame the History Channel!

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Good morning OC…..stay warm :)

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Thanks Onlineanalyst :)

cmsinaz on January 11, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Have they been arrested, too?

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 8:21 AM

An article in the LA Times describes their distress.

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 8:31 AM

The issue isn’t specific to Palin. The issue is about the Teaparty movement.

If Palin goes down, then the entire GOP will be going down with her.

I wonder if those GOP strategists speaking anonymously get this reality.

I can tell that Pawlenty does.

AnninCA on January 11, 2011 at 8:33 AM

I certainly wasn’t trying to be critical of anyone, just making a general observation. I find it deeply sad that there is a fraction of people who choose not to try to understand our world

but…also, just after I posted that I went over to Instapundit and there was this link:

http://jerrypournelle.com/view/2011/Q1/view657.html#Monday

r keller on January 11, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Excellent post. I use to work as a medical officer in a county jail. We had this one guy that would continuously get locked up in our facility. He’s schizophrenic that would get busted on a trespassing charge.
Every time the cops would bring him in, he was combative and sometimes literally foaming at the mouth. Once we got him on his medications he was the nicest and most polite guy in existence. The medication didn’t make him 100% normal but it did help him a lot.

Once he served his time in county jail, we’d let him go with about a week supply of his medications. He’d go home to his family who would probably sell his meds or take them themselves to get high (the whole family has been in and out of the same jail)and then he’s right back into that schizophrenic delusion again going back to the same convenience store that has a restraining order on him causing a ruckus. Now, this guy isn’t even a violent guy and has family that are suppose to take care of him and we couldn’t do anything more to help this guy out.
I don’t know what the answer is with regards to the mentally ill. At what point do we say that someone is unfit to make decisions for themselves? I recall a case where a woman was considered to be an imbecile and the courts ordered forced sterilization because they felt her IQ wasn’t high enough and she would just produce another generation of “simple-minded” people. The courts were wrong about her of course. By the same token, I don’t want people who are suffering on the streets with mental instability to have to continue to suffer because they have to give consent to be teated and they are incapable of understanding they have a problem.
This is indeed a very complex discussion that we might not ever find an answer to.

mizflame98 on January 11, 2011 at 8:34 AM

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Smith said Loughner’s mother, Amy, had a good job with good retirement and pay, and Randy was a stay-at-home dad who liked to work on cars.

“He worshipped the boy,” Smith said.

Hmm.

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 8:40 AM

I read that story and immediately though of Cesar Milan, The Dog Whisperer. He helps people with their uncontrollable dogs, when the problem isn’t the dog, it’s the owner.

Rules, Boundaries, Limitations is a catch phrase he uses. I would add consequences. It sounds like this kid was the dominate personality in that household from about the age of two. Jared Lee Loughner isn’t crazy, he’s feral.

You see it in a lot of families where the anguished self doubting hand wringing liberal is unable or unwilling to impose any discipline on their children, instead trying to reason with them. The result is the kid learns how to scheme, scam, and cheat his way through life, if that doesn’t work, use intimidation.

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Dead child… Don’t let this crisis go to waste!
(oh, yeah. too bad about the kid, whatever…)

American Kapo at work…

Texas Tom on January 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Feral.

Well put.

Disturb the Universe on January 11, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Which is it Grow?
Are you (a) or (b)?

DSchoen on January 11, 2011 at 4:40 AM

Both. Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

AH_C on January 11, 2011 at 9:25 AM

We used to have a culture of duelling to end this sort of intellectual rot so that one puts their life with their accusations and learns to keep a civil tongue. It was a harsh method, but it did work and discredited a lot of people spreading hatred. We are too civilized to do that, today… so howzabout the next best thing. We can start with Paul Krugman and walk each and every person he accuses in front of him for a couple of hours…. the vileness of the hatred would be self-evident and quickly end his career. It might take a few days to clear out the hatred and air it openly, face to face, but it would go a long, long way towards putting it in the sunlight so the spread of it could be stopped.

ajacksonian on January 11, 2011 at 6:43 AM

Spot on. Duelling is THE civilized way of dealing with serious slander! And for other offenses, duking it out. That idea that if you deliberately offend someone, you might have to put your body on the line has a civilizing effect on people. Plain & simple.

The notion that we’re too civilized for fighting is bunk. Rather, we’re treated like kids – someone slanders or hits you, don’t hit back, just take it to court but if the jury doesn’t agree w/ you, too bad. This does nothing but emasculate society.

But it is what it is and as for your idea of dragging Krugman thru his crap, that’ll be great, except don’t hold your breath for the LSM to do it. I did like O’Reillys’ rant yesterday where he aimed (no pun intended) at Krugman among others for the lying sack of do-do that they are.

AH_C on January 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM

The left employs this slimy tactic every time.

I expect it to continue. But, hopefully this particular episode has removed the blinders many people were wearing, and the tactic will be less effective.

soundingboard on January 11, 2011 at 6:18 AM

I partially blame myself for this. While I was busy raising my family and staying within my own little world, Progressives, anarchists and 60′s liberals/socialists/communists were becoming college and university professors were positioning themselves to teach indoctrinate Gen-Xers and Millennials. By the time I woke up, they were already strongly affecting the tone and spin of education, science and the media.

Fallon on January 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Skandia Recluse on January 11, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Yes.

Fallon on January 11, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Disgusting. One of the real victim in this is just 9 years old, dead with a bullet hole in her chest. Not Palin. Boo hoo. You play with fire and you get burned. Welcome to the big leagues Sarah. Let’s see how sharp your political instincts are now.

Grow Fins on January 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Let me guess. GF is vying for liberal darling of the month at Kos?

Yes Grow. A 9 year old girl is dead now. But this in no way has anything to do with Sarah Palin. Maybe you should change your name to grow up, and think on your own. But of course, as a liberal…that’s to hard. It’s easier to play the victim and have others do your thinking for you!

capejasmine on January 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM

O’Reilly’s right about one point; the left has lost its momentum and their drive to advance their liberal agenda, which a vast majority of Americans rejected at the polls in November. The liberal media have found little substantial ground to make their baseless arguments favoring a more central government to control the masses. Even Independents found this agenda intrusive as they also rejected the power-grab by Washington, (using the crisis of devastating economy to advance their quest for a larger and controlling government), leaving the media and their pundits with no where to turn. The result is this reprehensible tactic of attacking their perceived enemies, (the conservative right), using another American tragedy. Defenseless, and without shame or dignity, even a cornered dog will lash out when they feel trapped. The results of November has put these people in the corner of obscurity and the shrinking ideology of liberalism, and they are finding no reasonable arguments to justify their obscurity other than to lash out like the rabid dog, spreading vicious lies while attempting to tie the conservative right with the plight of a deranged piece of human garbage. This vile attempt by the liberal media and their repulsive echo chamber in the left wing blogs is an attack on all Americans who have civilly rejected this liberal agenda by exorcising their rights to speak out against an intrusive government. By demonizing conservative thought, the liberals will have, in essence, delivered a stronger unity of grassroots Americans who see through this pathetic ploy. Only the left are buying into this, as the liberal media spoon-feeds them, “poisoning the debate with their own baseless insinuations”. The joke is on you, my liberal friends—and the joker is this media as they continue to cram this vitriolic garbage down your throats, (under the guise of journalism), complicit in their own path to obscurity. Neither Karl Rove or any other conservative pundit could have written a better script of liberals self-destructing in their own feckless and repulsive pathology. Pity.

Rovin on January 11, 2011 at 10:18 AM

OmahaConservative on January 11, 2011 at 8:12 AM

I am heading back to Florida at the end of this week and while I will miss a lot in VA, the cold will not be on the list.

Cindy Munford on January 11, 2011 at 10:25 AM

AH_C on January 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Truly I do not expect the cowards in their basements to come out into the daylight… and yet all it will take is just one public figure to start calling them out for a face to face meeting on-air, and I am sure I can think of at least one network that would put it on. If not the PPV folks will have a windfall on their hands.

The idea OF ‘calling someone out’ had the meaning of: come out here and back your words with your life, and you even get the choice of weapons. That was a much cleaner way of putting individuals on the spot for such things than just bantering it back and forth… if you did not mean it you got a great chance to apologize, and if you did mean it you dare not do something other than put your life into the fate of your own skills. Learning to defend yourself with some weapon, be it sword, pistol, knife, bow… that meant that you took time to learn and control your reactions. I have thought that such a thing, with official sanction and oversight by the State Militia would solve many problems and actually start to put function back into such an organization of volunteers.

Until ‘calling out’ someone gets some repurcussions if you con’t show up, there will be no end to this sort of uncivilized behavior and decline into decadence. If you mean what you say, then you should have no fear of facing those you impugn to say it to their face and then stand silent while they get their say. That would require honor to society and even towards recognizing that the other person, no matter how low you think they are, deserve the chance to see you as you speak… and that you are brave enough to take what they dish out in return. Not argue, but just take as well as you give.

All it takes is just one figure so impugned to to do that, and then the tenor of events begins to change…

ajacksonian on January 11, 2011 at 10:38 AM

ajacksonian on January 11, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Concur. Unfortunately we as a society are too weak & squeamish. Instead we get rules upon rules because we are unwilling to back up what we say with our honor on the line.

AH_C on January 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM

capejasmine on January 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM

The target of your anger is one of the vilest worms to ever crawl out of a dumpster and infect this site with their bile. It continues to spew it’s sub-intellectual vomit because it hasn’t used the “magic” words necessary to bring down the ban hammer. It is, like crazy people committing murder, a sad fact in a free society that must be recognized for the sake of our own freedom.

Extrafishy on January 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM

O’Reilly’s upcoming interview with Obama before the Super Bowl should be very interesting. Let’s see if he has the courage to demand that Obama condemn these baseless accusations.

RedRedRice on January 11, 2011 at 6:48 AM

If BOR continues on the roll he was on last night, Bammie will have to cancel. He wants a softball interview like the last one when he reached over and touched BOR on the knee. If he thinks he will get tough questions he will chicken out.

slickwillie2001 on January 11, 2011 at 11:16 AM

I have to take issue with O’Reilly on him again saying both sides do it and he always says it. I am so tired of hearing this I could scream, and did at him last night. Both sides do not do it, and somebody needs to get out and say that if that is what they in the media are now touting.

silvernana on January 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM

silvernana on January 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM

I agree. This is his way of being “fair and balanced”. I think its his way of marketing himself to everyone so he can have and keep his high ratings.

Mirimichi on January 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Re BOR:

I agree. This is his way of being “fair and balanced”. I think its his way of marketing himself to everyone so he can have and keep his high ratings.

Mirimichi on January 11, 2011 at 1:02 PM

I think it’s just his way of patting himself on the back, telling himself that he is better than Beck and Hannity et al.

slickwillie2001 on January 11, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Cindy Munford on January 11, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Wave at Savannah when you pass! I’ll wave back!

odat on January 11, 2011 at 2:24 PM

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