More Loughner details: 9/11 Truther, perhaps an occultist?
posted at 8:48 am on January 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Among the tragedies of mass murders is the bitter truth that the murderer will often for a time become more famous than the victims. Perhaps that is especially true with true lunatics, as the public struggles to understand exactly what triggered the murder spree. That will be the case for at least the next few days as more details emerge about Jared Lee Loughner and the very strange life he led in the years prior to killing at least six people and gravely wounding several others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson.
Today, the Daily News reports that Loughner may have had an “alarming altar” consisting of a skull in a flowerpot, lending a “chilling occult dimension” to the attempted assassination:
A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.
Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner’s home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.
A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.
Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.
Earlier reports had pegged Loughner as an outspoken atheist, which makes this a little contradictory. It reminds us to keep our minds open and to refrain from jumping to conclusions — even about the “alarming altar.” The Daily News has a picture of the “altar,” which looks less than described, although the DN has a big, red “EXCLUSIVE” ribbon across the top left corner. It might be an “altar,” or it could be the remains of an old party, or just some junk.
The AP reports with less breathlessness about Loughner’s 9/11 Trutherism:
For a time, Loughner drank heavily, to the point of poisoning himself, the friends said. Once, during school lunch break as a junior, he downed so much tequila that he came back to class, within five minutes passed out cold, had to be rushed to the hospital and “almost died,” one friend said.
Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system (“a New World Order currency” one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.
On his YouTube page, he listed among his favorite books “Animal Farm” and “Brave New World” — two novels about how authorities control the masses. Other books in the wide-ranging list included “Mein Kampf,” ”The Communist Manifesto,” ”Peter Pan” and Aesop’s Fables.
More to the point, though, they lead with the fact that Loughner has a particular and personal grudge against Giffords from more than three years ago:
At an event roughly three years ago, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords took a question from Jared Loughner, the man accused of trying to assassinate her and killing six other people. According to two of his high school friends the question was essentially this: “What is government if words have no meaning?”
Loughner was angry about her response — she read the question and didn’t have much to say.
The portrait that the evidence thus far paints is of a nutcase with a grudge, whose lunacy utterly defies political categorization. If people had waited a couple of days before jumping to conclusions, they could have saved themselves a lot of embarrassment.
Update: A couple of more links this morning on Loughner’s background courtesy of Allahpundit. The first comes from the Wall Street Journal that reports that he was “fixated” with Giffords, mainly with the same data already known:
Accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner appeared to have been long obsessed with U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
A safe at Mr. Loughner’s home contained a form letter from Ms. Giffords’ office thanking him for attending a 2007 “Congress on your Corner” event in Tucson. The safe also held an envelope with handwritten notes, including the name of Ms. Giffords, as well as “I planned ahead,” “My assassination,” and what appeared to be Mr. Loughner’s signature, according to an FBI affidavit. …
Mr. Loughner had complained to a friend about how he was treated by the Arizona lawmaker during an event several years ago, which aggravated Mr. Loughner, according to the friend.
As for his politics, no one got much of a sense of them except for his “frustration” with the government:
“All he did was play video games and play music,” said Tommy Marriotti, a high school friend. Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner’s free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn’t especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.
Mother Jones provides some testimonial corroboration for the fixation:
Loughner would occasionally mention Giffords, according to Tierney: “It wasn’t a day-in, day-out thing, but maybe once in a while, if Giffords did something that was ridiculous or passed some stupid law or did something stupid, he related that to people. But the thing I remember most is just that question. I don’t remember him stalking her or anything.” Tierney notes that Loughner did not display any specific political or ideological bent: “It wasn’t like he was in a certain party or went to rallies…It’s not like he’d go on political rants.” But Loughner did, according to Tierney, believe that government is “fucking us over.” He never heard Loughner vent about about the perils of “currency,” as Loughner did on one YouTube video he created.
Meanwhile, don’t miss Michelle’s retrospective on the Left’s use of violent imagery over the last decade.
Update II: Because apparently a blogger or two can’t read for comprehension, let me state again that it appears that Loughner was neither a “righty” or a “lefty,” but an “outie” — as in outer space on the political spectrum. He’s a lunatic. The Truther issue appears on the fringe of both sides.









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Meanwhile, don’t miss Michelle’s retrospective on the Left’s use of violent imagery over the last decade.
hollly smokes…..
ted c on January 10, 2011 at 9:49 AM
Atheists tend to be materialists who find summoning spirits of any sort to be pointless. Christianity is explicit in its teaching that the evil spirits are at work in the world.
Blaming either atheists or Christians for this guy is dumb. Video games and mostly his parents seem more culpable. It will be interesting to hear from his parents when they finally surface and have to answer the question, WTF?
dedalus on January 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM
Not sure how much it could have helped.
If you remember…the VA. Tech mass murderer had been turned in to the state by a judge for his mental problems.
His family busted their butts to get him help.
It was all to no avail.
There is only so much family or the legal system can do absent of any serious crimes taking place.
Baxter Greene on January 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM
ProudPalinFan:It better be a dam* Moose skull!!(sarc)
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 9:39 AM
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Well then that darn flower pot should’ve been huuuge, must’ve been Photoshopped/sarc
ProudPalinFan on January 10, 2011 at 9:45 AM
ProudPalinFan:Good one:)
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM
Sad kid—part of me feels sorry for him no matter his crimes. One thing he got right though. Government is “…f$$$ing us over.” Not on purpose, but simply because they are too big, too bossy and have no notion of the consequences of their legislative attempts to make themselves relevant. At somepoint the Feds got out of control in my opinion. Example: When some goof entertains legislation to ban symbols, that’s exactly the kind of pointless government over reach I mean.
jeanie on January 10, 2011 at 9:54 AM
Doug Ross at Journal has a post up – that Giffords youtube only had 2 subscribers- one of them being Loughner.
journeyintothewhirlwind on January 10, 2011 at 9:54 AM
Pray for the families of the dead and the Congresswoman, time will reveal the truth. I do hope that the sheriff faces multiple law suits for his behavior and comments. This is a guy who is suppose to be impartial especially while an investigation is going on. He has put the case against the gunman in jeopardy with his “opinionated” comments. He even admitted on camera that what he said was his opinion. I wonder if the state/county can take action against him for dereliction of duty? This guy needs to be removed for not carrying out his duties (illegal Immigration) and now this. It’s quite possible that he is unbalanced himself.
New Patriot on January 10, 2011 at 9:55 AM
I had the same thought. Just the other day a news item indicated that casualties in Afghanistan are approaching (or surpassing -I can’t remember) Iraq’s, and yet the media goes about life more concerned about finding new dirt on Sarah Palin than giving a rat’s you-know-what about the lives of these brave men and women and their families.
I too, feel great sadness for Rep Giffords and the other victims of the shooter -especially the nine y.o. little girl- but killings happen all the time in cities and suburbs across this country (just this weekend a police officer was killed, another wounded, and several more killed or injured outside a bar in my hometown of Baltimore – oddly, I haven’t seen yet where the local media had mentioned the political party affiliation of the dead officer, or attributed the killer(s) to any sort of political movement…). But our soldiers and Marines have been sent to a foreign land for the sole purpose of protecting us on our own, and their deaths are not celebrated, or hardly even talked about except as a number.
Perspective has a place, but apparently not with the media.
BKeyser on January 10, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Some versions of satanism, and those satanist will actually tell you this, are actually “atheism with rules”.
DethMetalCookieMonst on January 10, 2011 at 9:59 AM
Exactly what I’ve been thinking lately. I don’t blame the parents for what this kid did, but wouldn’t you think they’d notice something wasn’t right about their son? I know my children now, and if I saw any or all of this kind of behavior, I’d certainly be seeking answers for it.
I do remember hearing something, and I think it was on Fox, over the weekend, but someone saying his mother was an official with Pico county? And with her influence, that kept him in school, when he was in danger of being kicked out?
I haven’t done any research on that one, so I don’t know if it’s true or not, or just hearsay…but if true, it certainly tells us, the mother wasn’t concerned as much about her sons behavior, as she was trying to avert any embarrassment from herself, and her desire in seeing him stay in school.
This whole thing is just sad, and tragic. It’s just sad too, that while the liberal media, and liberal elected officials want to lay blame at Palins, and Republicans feet…they don’t question why so many saw this weird, dangerous behavior, and did nothing about it, other than to get him kicked out of a class, or school!
capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 10:00 AM
Yes, who among us doesn’t have a skull and ritual candles setup in the backyard? Pretty normal, everyday thing – nothing to see here, folks.
whatcat on January 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM
This is in response to the beginning of your post. The left takes the offense and blames the right. The right is put on the defensive as if it were true. This is common practice. I cannot imagine anyone on the Right that would try to paint this as a “Left VS. Right” issue. That explains the response. When the Left starts such attacks, the Right is so surprised that they would use such a despicable murderous attack as a means to advance their political posturing, the Right responds to the Left’s attack. They should have attacked the Left for their “Feigned Horror”. They should have went on the offense also and attacked the Left for their lack of Morale Clarity and their Non-Stop posturing to take advantage of every horrible action made by every horrible person. Trying to tie the Right to such an obvious nutcase is despicable.
Guest1.1 on January 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM
He was basically mute when he was younger (likely due to his schizophrenia) as that is an early warning sign, so he got speech therapy through the school. However, they were not aware that he had been stalking girls in college and had been ordered to get outpatient psychiatric treatment. It seems like they did all they could but were constrained by the fact that he was an “adult” and their limited financial means.
This case strikes me as more of a case of negligence on the part of both the school and the parents. The math professor should be commended for the steps he took to bring the situation to the administration’s attention; however, it seems that the administration took mainly butt covering actions. Also, the parents knew about the situation, but didn’t seem to take any action. You cannot force someone over 18 to get treatment, but I’m assuming that this kid was living at home and mooching off his parents. It isn’t like he had any money or a job.
Illinidiva on January 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM
You guys nail it.
As Boss Emeritus says:
They asked for it. They got it.
Bring it on.
petefrt on January 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM
Michelle’s post (which Ed links above) is brilliant and comprehensive. If you haven’t read it yet, you should.
CantCureStupid on January 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM
Got the address. Didn’t see the certificate message. Email off.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM
“Meanwhile, don’t miss Michelle’s retrospective on the Left’s use of violent imagery over the last decade.”
All the people who created those jpegs or signs or participated in those violent acts are as*holes.
Until Hotair clowns condemn these kinds of acts on both sides, the link is just a bunch of meaningless unselfaware bulsh*t of the highest order that just sputters yeah but but but THEY do THIS.
Dave Rywall on January 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM
?
Hmm, I’ll need a minute here.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:11 AM
Curious: Rep. Giffords’ Official YouTube Channel Subscribes to Only Two People: Rep. Ike Skelton and… Jared Lee Loughner
An anonymous tipster writes:
Don’t know if you saw this or not.
Her [Giffords'] Youtube page has only two subscriptions, one links to the shooter’s page (lower left corner, name classit10)
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http://directorblue.blogspot.com/
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 10:11 AM
All the people who created those jpegs or signs or participated in those violent acts are as*holes.
tranlated: Liberals are as*holes.
Own it Dave. Own the hateful meme.
Dave Rywall on January 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 9:41 AM
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Got the address. Didn’t see the certificate message. Email off.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM
hawkdriver:I’m not sure what to say,on the(certificate):)
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM
dang…
tranlated: Liberals are as*holes.
Own it Dave. Own the hateful meme.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:14 AM
Just his name and how you knew him and I’ll fill in the rest.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM
“Meanwhile, don’t miss Michelle’s retrospective on the Left’s use of violent imagery over the last decade.”
All the people who created those jpegs or signs or participated in those violent acts are as*holes.
Until Hotair clowns condemn these kinds of acts on both sides, the link is just a bunch of meaningless unselfaware bulsh*t of the highest order that just sputters yeah but but but THEY do THIS.
Dave Rywall on January 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM
Dave Rywall: WroughtWall,why sooooooooooooooooooooo much
angst,and hate,towards the right,and more
to the point,Americans!!
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Link to some TP rallies where we can decry said hate.
Links, proof.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:17 AM
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM
Just his name and how you knew him and I’ll fill in the rest.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:15 AM
hawkdriver:Okay,got it,I’ll fire it off in a second:)
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 10:18 AM
Loughner’s diaries seem to reveal an obsession with the idea of language.The question he wrote Giffords and other writings seem to point in the direction of literary deconstruction.It’s hard to grasp that a kid who needed pre algebra in junior college would be drawn to the work of Foucault and Daridda, but he clearly was an anarchist and deconstruction is an anarchic way of looking at literature, and in Foucault’s later works ,of looking at history. Deconstruction is the bedrock of the Modern Language Assoc.,which dominates the study of language in higher ed.The MLA is very left wing in its policies and ideas.Loughner may have exposed to these ideas in a Lit class, and become focused and obsessed.The basic idea of deconstruction is that the written word has only the meaning put on it by the reader, and that historical facts do not exist. The individual creates his own narrative. It seems Loughner took creating a narrative to a new level.
xkaydet65 on January 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM
the haters have to hate. thos ethat spew garbage about any politican should be careful their garbage is coming from a place that is not hate.
unseen on January 10, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Had to take a minute. Okay, I believe there is evil in the world. I don’t feel even a little bad for him. I think we need to treat evil as such and not give in to the notion that giving an evil little bast@rd like this some attention would have ever made a difference in his life.
hawkdriver on January 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM
It’s a counter argument and proof to the “only the right is hateful” left wing smear.
the_nile on January 10, 2011 at 10:38 AM
To be clear, he shared his home with his mother and father. Maybe they thought this was “performance art” or something.
Buy Danish on January 10, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Lougher’s act is certainly the source of competing narratives. Decades from now the nature of the narrative will be more important than lives and deaths of those involved.
dedalus on January 10, 2011 at 10:58 AM
The media have essentially become the collective id of the Left. Everything journalism stood for, the careful gathering and corroboration of facts in the pursuit of truth, is gone. The media simply use the remaining vestiges of this tradition as cover.
This is more than a betrayal. It is an assault on the sanctity of our republic. We need a major, comprehensive pul-no-punches speech on this by a conservative. We need a full-scale, fact-based attack on the media. This is war.
rrpjr on January 10, 2011 at 11:00 AM
The Left accuses presuming guilt, not innocence.
The Right accepts such presumption, defends itself.
Never is the proof of the accusation asked for in concrete terms. That must end.
I do decry all incivility as it leads to an uncivil end… and notice the role of civility in civilization. I have not seen much of radical Hayekians, followers of Adam Smith, raging protesters utilizing de Vattel, people with radical signs utilizing the words of Pufendorf or Grotius. What, exactly, are the ‘radical’ signs of conservatives? Of Libertarians? When and where do people on the Right call for death, assassination, or the restriction of language that is ‘hateful’? Show them, identify the individuals and their organizations and I shall, indeed, decry them.
Mind you the modern conservative has more in line with civil reform via society than by government, of upholding personal liberty and freedom for all mankind within our civil populations. These are not far out things to support, and yet, in doing so, one is attacked by those wishing to restrict them via government. When I look at Paine’s identification of government as the Punisher, it is not a horrific description of a mindset, but its useful function as part of the holder of negative powers granted to it by society. When I say the State is the last and least of our institutions, and that it is built on the ruins of paradise, I am not giving you the view of a line of thought in history going back at least one thousand years if not two or even more. The restriction of the negative power we grant government is to protect our positive liberties so we can build a better and stronger society together and be protected by those negative actors looking to pull down society.
So, when saying ‘both sides do it’, please have the plethora of links available, showing the organizations and people involved so that I, too, can decry them. As it is I can find great sardonicism and sarcasm inveighed against those with the slogans and banners of liberty, freedom and justice for all… which makes me wonder why those doing the imputing of bad motives are doing so, rather than wondering why people love freedom and liberty. I don’t want ‘proofiness’ from the Left, but actual, hard evidence, piece by piece linkage just as they DEMAND from those they attack who seek to defend themselves from slurs. The DEMAND is thus thrown back: prove what you say beyond any doubt, for that is how we must base our views when impugning the character of others. Or don’t members of civil society get the same rights as criminals when being charged and maligned?
As in math or physics the motto is: show all your work.
Every single step.
Thus I ask that of the Left.
ajacksonian on January 10, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Tell us about your shrine, Drywall.
viking01 on January 10, 2011 at 11:04 AM
They can’t be embarrassed. They have no souls.
GrannyDee on January 10, 2011 at 11:23 AM
UGH!! Why do we always do this? Kos and HuffPo were blaming Palin 2 seconds after this happened. 2 days later when the facts are clearly that he was A LEFT WINGER the right is downplaying it and calling him a-political.
This is why leftsists always win theese types of things. We don’t even put up a freaking fight.
angryed on January 10, 2011 at 11:51 AM
LOL, don’t you have a hockey puck waiting for you someplace?
Del Dolemonte on January 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM
I rarely disagree with you, hawkdriver, but on this I do to a point. I feel bad for anyone whose soul is in such mortal danger. I know there is evil in the world, but I don’t think God creates people who are evil. I think evil gets a hold of some, through many avenues, especially the occult, and for whatever reason: pride, unbelief, anger…they allow it to consume them, or can’t escape it. That is truly sad. I’m not saying it isn’t his fault. I don’t know the circumstances of his life. If he embraced the occult, he invited evil right on in, and I’m not one to put blame on everyone but the perpetrator. He obviously knew this was wrong, when he said not to be angry with him, etc… He owns it. Still, as much as I hate what he did, I wish Hell on no one, mainly because it is a ‘loss’ for Jesus. Jesus shed His precious blood to save all men. For the Devil to win one of them must be horrible to the Savior. That must have made the crucifixion of our Lord a bigger sacrifice than I normally even think. He suffered and died for some (many) He knew would not accept it. How bitter. Jesus wept…
I do not want Loughner to go unpunished; he deserves it, but I pity him and pray for his immortal soul, that he will come to repent.
+1000
I think the leftists who have attacked Sarah, and the Tea Party/conservatives over this, with their lies and hypocrisy are leaving their doors wide open to the same evil that consumed Loughner, if they aren’t already up to their eyeballs in it. The father of lies…
pannw on January 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM
The responce should have been “If words have no meaning, what is the question? The question is self defeating because it implicitly acknowledges that words do have meaning. Believing in a lack of meaning, or the idea that words are JUST a means of power, are both depressing and shallow.”
AnotherOpinion on January 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM
a violent truther NWO-obsessed nut.
sounds like more of an “alex jones” than “glenn beck”
time for the leftys to apologize.
ya right.
warhorse_03826 on January 10, 2011 at 2:00 PM
So it’s Rosie O’donnells fault.
BruceB on January 10, 2011 at 2:16 PM
I hate this kind of thing: some worthless jackwagon goes off and kills innocent people in the process. Too bad he didn’t elect to shoot himself instead. About all that will come out of this is misery for the victims and their families and a larger clamor for more gun control.
I hope they hang this guy.
saiga on January 10, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Summary: A 22 year old, pot smoking LOSER, still living at home off Mommy and Daddy.
GarandFan on January 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM
The liberals are out in force on Facebook, clucking over a graphic presented showing that Loughner was a registered Republican. Anybody know if this is true?
JannyMae on January 10, 2011 at 3:31 PM
I’d be hard pressed to figure out the politics of this guy if this is his level of discourse.
Either I’m stupid, or there’s meaning here where I can’t figure it out. Could he be referring to alternative interpretations of the Constitution? No, that doesn’t see to fit… So, here goes:
Rewording, we get “If words have no meaning, what is government?”
We have, by the laws of boolean logic, that true implies true, but false implies true and false implies false (in otherwords, with the wrong antecedent, you can prove anything).
Now, words do have meaning — in the mind of the speaker as well as the mind of the listener. Therefore, the statement “words have no meaning” is false. So, no estimation of truth or falsity can be ascribed to any result on governance reasoned from the precedent “words have no meaning”.
So what we do have is a guy who tried hard to be an academic and failed horribly.
unclesmrgol on January 10, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Freepers are saying it’s a photoshop. Should be easy to confirm one way or another with info from the public record.
Missy on January 10, 2011 at 5:13 PM
More on the faked registration:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2654262/posts
Missy on January 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM
The spooky kid attended Bill Ayers founded Obama funded “Small School Workshop” high school.
If Loughner picked up on being a weird brainwashed conspiracy satanic theorist anywhere in particular, it would likely have been substantiated if not indoctrinated there as the fruits of Bill Ayers labors.
maverick muse on January 10, 2011 at 6:31 PM
Normally, that’s certainly correct. However, as an alternative rationale, a typo error or dyslexia as a possibility.
maverick muse on January 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM
…like misspell v. mispell.
maverick muse on January 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM
unclesmrgol on January 10, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Being “educated” by a Bill Ayers disciple would explain Loughner’s convoluted fixations on the meaning of meaning based upon deconstruction.
maverick muse on January 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM
The truth comes out, Rossie O’Donnell is to blame. All that BS about how fire can’t melt steel inspired him. It’s this vitriol rhetoric from crazy leftists that can set off unstable members of society to resort to violence. Yeah, that’s must be the problem.
Dollayo on January 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM
More like Liar, on my end of the so-called “fringe.” So you compare someone who believes GW masterminded 9/11 to someone who wants to see a proper birth certificate for the POTUS?
disa on January 10, 2011 at 11:32 PM
As to those who are forcing any “Right” placement as to Jared Loughner (those’d be Leftwingers doing so), they are coming forth looking as deranged as Loughner or at least, partially as much.
It’s erroneous to try to figure out – from a reasonable, sane, lucid, fact-based perspective – the mind of such a disturbed individual as Loughner. It can’t be done. It’s like asking 1 to equal 20: the two figures don’t equal, never will, it’s just not logical.
But you CAN imagine all sorts of fictional, non fact-based fantasies wherein 1 equals 20 and then “make that work” on a fictional basis — the movies do that sort of thing all the time and we’re supposed to believe the lack of realism and enjoy the entertainment value.
People such as Loughner are so disturbed that you can’t explain his ideas, beliefs, thoughts such as they are, in rational terms and you go a little nuts yourself when you try to. You can’t apply the same labels to his notions as you can to thematically similar notions maintained by others because Laughner’s notions won’t ever fit into the same definitions as others’, even when they’re called by the same labels.
Having known someone very well who was paranoid schizophrenic, believe me, Loughner’s distorted thinking is not unusual for those with the problem or set of problems that is Paranoid Schizophrenia. Some of them think they’re dead and that they are walking around among the living in their dead bodies. Some of them think they have “special powers” whereby they read thoughts or even see thoughts of others suspended in the air above their heads, and/or that their own thoughts are visible to others in print in some etheral space around them (thus, they’re greatly paranoid because of their “thought broadcast”ing)…nearly all people with this problem do believe in conspiracies but of a far more nefarious, complex nature than actually do exist (thus, more paranoia)…”plots” exist against them, “secret” “forces” gather around them when no one is looking and “shoot them full of drugs with long needles” or…
the list of mental disturbance goes on and on and people with Paranoid Schizophrenia REALLY BELIEVE these things, so they are greatly troubled with awful anxiety about nearly everything, their thoughts disjointed by immense anxiety and fears beyond the coping level of most of us…
I don’t feel sorry for Loughner based upon his actions but I do wonder whyinheck no one who had contact with him did not try to get the guy into mental health treatment. His problems are so profound as to be easily noticed by nearly all, so it’s a mystery to me how it was he was out among society for so many years and no one made an effort to get the guy into treatment.
With some treatment, Paranoid Schizophrenics can be managed well and many are, actually, good achievers when their worst disturbances are controlled (medications, antipsychotics) (they don’t cure the problem, they just control the worst symptoms and address some of the violence that is displayed along with some of the paranoia).
It’s a mistake to try to figure out by labels which and where Loughner belongs or can be assigned. His problem is a medical one. And now a criminal one, unfortunately.
Lourdes on January 11, 2011 at 2:39 AM
It’s another phony graphic the Left has photoshopped.
WAPO ran an article (well researched, substantiated) that shows the actual voting registration for Loughner and he is a registered Independent. Didn’t vote in last election, either.
He’s not registered as a Republican and that graphic the Left is pushing to the contrary is another one of the Left’s phony images in graphic file format to support more of the Left’s lies.
Lourdes on January 11, 2011 at 2:44 AM
Posted at 5:28 PM ET, 01/10/2011
Jared Lee Loughner was a registered independent, didn’t vote in 2010 election
By Chris Cillizza
Lourdes on January 11, 2011 at 2:47 AM
The Left was immediately slinging the blame-casting campaign literally minutes after the Giffords’ tragedy broke in the news Saturday.
All the Left’s blame-casting comments I’ve read, also, all pretty much state the same few talking points, blame the same (and predictable) political opponents perceived by the Left, without regard for meaningful connections to Loughner if even facts otherwise to the situation from Saturday.
So it looks to me like it’s one of those campaigns that the Left has been grumbling and working over for a while and then an opportunity arose and presto, let the s*** fly and they did.
Had it been Farmer Bob shooting his neighbor’s Shiitzu on Pelosi’s lawn, same blame-casting campaign. Had it been…well, you get the idea, hopefully.
From all the hate screed from the Left I read on Saturday, nearly minutes after the Tucson crimes were announced, it seems the Left was just “too ready” with a prepared script about all this/that that they were SURE was the reason this/that…while all of this/that has since been proven to be lies, unsupportable allegations, just utter outrageous hyperbole by the Left. But ready at the drop of the dime, nonetheless.
Lourdes on January 11, 2011 at 2:53 AM
…ouch. Before anyone tries to associate me with the “No Labels” people, forget it, no association.
I used the term, “labels” there (2:39 AM comments ^^) as to trying to be efficient in avoiding typing out the various associations, “groups” or whatnot that Loughner claims interest in (“labels” instead of typing out the list of terms).
Lourdes on January 11, 2011 at 3:39 AM
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