DHS denies evidence of Tucson shooter connection to fringe group
posted at 12:15 pm on January 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Greg Sargent gets DHS on the record in denying a report yesterday that supposedly tied Jared Loughner to an anti-semitic fringe group. The initial report from Fox provided the basis for a number of assumptions about the attack and its motivations:
For the last 24 hours, the Web has been alive with speculation that the Arizona shooter has some sort of ties to a right-wing group called American Renaissance. The primary source for this claim is a Fox News report from yesterday saying that law enforcement had made this determination based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security.
But a DHS official tells me that the department has not established any such possibility, undercutting what appears to be the primary basis for this claim.
Fox News’s report yesterday initially claimed that a DHS memo had outlined the possible connection, and defined American Renaissance as a “pro-white racist organization” that Jared Loughner “mentioned in some of his internet postings.” Fox later walked back the report a bit, sourcing the claim to “a law enforcement memo based on information provided by DHS.”
The Fox report caused a splash, with some news orgs reporting that anonymous officials had confirmed such possible ties. Some conservatives railed at DHS for supposedly trying to tie the shooter to the right for political reasons, and others disputed the suggestion that this displayed the shooter’s ideological leanings.
It’s yet another early claim that appears to have been at least questionable, if not entirely incorrect. Other media contacted the group yesterday, which disclaimed any responsibility and insisted that Loughner’s name wasn’t in their records. If DHS had information to the contrary, they wouldn’t be denying it today.
Either Fox News got this wrong, or someone at DHS did. I’d be inclined to suspect the latter, but it could also be the former; as the past 48 hours have proven, people tend to hear what they want to hear in the aftermath of a horrific tragedy. Steven Den Beste wrote about the “fog of news” on Saturday in our Green Room, and David Gergen writes about it today at CNN — and why attempting to draw conclusions in that aftermath is always a bad idea:
My experience in government is that typically, a lot of what we think we know in the first hours of a calamitous event turns out to be wrong. In the White House Situation Room just after President Reagan was shot, we were first informed that press secretary Jim Brady had died; we said a prayer. Later we learned that he had miraculously survived; we said another prayer. It took even more time to figure out whether the would-be assassin John Hinckley was a loner or what his motivations were. Even now we are still unsure about what prompted his madness.
As a young man, I was struck by how quickly, after Lee Harvey Oswald had murdered President Kennedy, speculation centered on whether Oswald was acting on behalf of the right-wing John Birch Society. Instead, we learned that he was tied to Fidel Castro.
The country would be well served now if we cooled the accusations until we learn more about the man police are holding in Tucson, Jared Loughner. He appears to be mentally unhinged, someone who has threatened others. Why he targeted one of the most admired and popular political leaders in Arizona is unclear.
Gergen’s colleagues at CNN should take that advice, perhaps more than most. We will have plenty of time to see the evidence of Loughner’s lunacy and idiocy without either inventing it or twisting it to attack one’s own bêtes noirs. Let the fog clear before drawing conclusions, and especially before delivering moral lectures and proposing foolish laws. More on that later.









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Don’t worry folks..”Big Sis” is in charge and the system is working..:)
Dire Straits on January 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM
In today’s episode of MemeBusters….
ted c on January 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM
i thought it read FRIDGE group.
moonbatkiller on January 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Wait a tic,I thought DHS was worried about
RightWinger`s,veterans,and returning Iraq
and Afghan soldiers!!
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Jennifer Griffin reported the story for Fox. I find it hard to believe that she would get it wrong. Somebody’s lying.
Knucklehead on January 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Evil is unpredictable thus unpreventable, pack heat.
E9RET on January 10, 2011 at 12:21 PM
AmRen, huh? How do I join?
/Rick Sanchez
Ted Torgerson on January 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Just like Katrina the media will run scream the sky is falling until we all are looking up.
Limerick on January 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM
The picture that seems to be emerging is of someone who is obviously crazy and took great offense at feeling ‘dissed’ by the Congresswoman a couple of years ago. He never got over it and unfortunately did what he did.
Go RBNY on January 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM
So Loughner isn’t one of their number. Doesn’t make the DHS’ description of that bunch any less accurate. Plus, there is at least one prominent conservative blogger who has close connections with it.
MadisonConservative on January 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Unrequited love.
Knucklehead on January 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Early on it was reported that the shooter was a vet — which only bolstered the template they’ve been so desperate to unleash. That’s what we’ve seen in all of this, if you’re having a hard time understanding it: The left has been trying to discredit the Tea Party, Palin and the rest for “inciting violence” for a while now.
Therefore, it’s only natural they’d pounce on (what they thought) was evidence of this lie. But it doesn’t matter if it isn’t true — the damage will either already be done or they will simply move the goal posts.
jjraines on January 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Why is the sheriff’s department not releasing the letter found in the shooter’s safe? Why is the sheriff propagandizing when that information gives clear direction from where the shooter’s actions were derived.
volsense on January 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM
There’s a joke about Michael Moore somewhere in there.
TampaBayBull on January 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Wow. I just commented about this on the MoJo thread.
BKeyser on January 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Even if there is a group that’s ‘pro-white’ or anti-semitic, how would that make them right-wing? Racism is neither a left-wing or right-wing phenomenon, it’s just racism. Unfortunately the left has controlled the language for too long, and ‘right-wing’ has become shorthand for racist in the media. It’s depressing.
EnglishMike on January 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM
From the Mother Jones story in the headlines.
Cindy Munford on January 10, 2011 at 12:32 PM
I hoped for a french group, they surrender instantly..
the_nile on January 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM
===========================
The left has been trying to discredit the Tea Party, Palin and the rest for “inciting violence” for a while now.
jjraines on January 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM
jjraines:Yup,and the Germans have seen through the MSM
narrative attempt!!
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01/10/2011
America’s Misguided Debate
Blaming Sarah Palin for Arizona Shooting Is Wrong
A Commentary by Marc Hujer
Following this weekend’s tragic shooting, many on the left in the United States are calling for Sarah Palin and the Tea Party to be called to account for their alleged culpability in the killings. But these claims are spurious and could do more to help the left’s political detractors than harm them.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,738627,00.html
canopfor on January 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Are we completely positive that the shooter isn’t one of us here on Hotair? I mean…this post proves it isn’t me…there isn’t wifi in jail…right?
Osis on January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Fox has done a terrible job covering the shootings. Too much combining of fact and supposition.
huckleberryfriend on January 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM
I sure hope James Clapper has been properly briefed on this tragedy before he does an interview.
Electrongod on January 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Damage to who though? The rush to blame conservatives was so tasteless and so overboard that Palin and the Tea Party could end up becoming figures of sympathy in all this.
Go RBNY on January 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM
I s’pose Fox News could clear up the whole matter by producing the source of the original claim.
IronDioPriest on January 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I believe Jennifer over dhs…
cmsinaz on January 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM
Ah yes. Remember Nidal Hasan’s Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder by Proxy?
YYZ on January 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM
gryphon202 on January 10, 2011 at 12:43 PM
I agree. Jennifer comes across as an old-fashioned reporter. Ya know, someone who goes out and actually asks questions, then reports what they told her.
So the question becomes, which party seems to have more of an agenda? If it was just FOX, as opposed to JG, you could think OK, they have an agenda – but it doesn’t fit with this accusation , that he was affiliated w/ a POSSIBLE right-leaning group. So that leaves us Jennifer vs DHS. That one is a no-brainer.
humdinger on January 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Um, no, not as a necessary consequence, but thoughtful people will prove an accusation before repeating it.
You just repeated it.
Akzed on January 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM
I sure hope so, but that would be giving credit to the left and the media they’ve proven they do not deserve. Are you that naive to think they will retract or apologize? They’re nicknamed the “drive-by media” for a reason — they shoot up their target and move on to the next, as if the previous smear didn’t happen.
Astoundingly, the absurd narrative they’re pushing is only gaining steam. It doesn’t matter to them that conservatives aren’t ‘directly responsible,’ but “questions” whether the “current partisan rhetoric” has gone overboard. Also, just a reminder: people are really, really stupid. When you combine that with ideological hostility, it doesn’t matter what the truth is. These people will always think Sarah Palin is an idiot, and will probably always believe she is responsible for this shooting regardless.
jjraines on January 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Question: Has anyone asked Sheriff Dupnik why he ignored Loughner’s threats?
That demagogue should either resign or be fired for dereliction of duty and/or criminal negligence, like yesterday.
Rae on January 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM
As a crack investigative reporter on loan to the New York Times, I have uncovered irrefutable proof of a connection between the killings in Arizona Saturday and Sarah Palin.
Here is that proof: The murders and attempted assassination occurred in Pima County, Ariz. If you observe closely, you see that the name “Pima County” contains the letters “P,” “A,” “I” and “N.” These are four of the five letters required to spell the name “Palin.”
To some, this evidence might seem flimsy. But, when you consider that the alleged killer’s surname, Loughner, begins with the letter “L,” you then have all the component letters necessary to fully spell the name of the former Alaska governor and one-time Republican Party vice-presidential nominee, thereby establishing clear linkage between Loughner and Palin.
What is especially telling here is that the “L” supplied by Loughner fits precisely into the center of the name “Palin.” This cements the notion that Palin was at the center of Loughner’s evil plan.
You can read full details of this development in tomorrow’s editions of the Times.
FlameWarrior on January 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM
Heated right wing rhetoric forced him.
the_nile on January 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM
Judy Clarke will defend Jared Loughner
Previous clients (all now serving time):
1. 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui
2. “Unabomber” Theodore Kaczynski
3. Atlanta Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph
4. Susan Smith, who drowned her toddlers in 1994
J_Crater on January 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM
This morning they said that she is very good at getting a plea deal for her clients, having them co-operate with authorities, I guess in return for a life sentence or something.
ladyingray on January 10, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I guess they wanted an attorney that could literally guarantee Loughner would get jail time.
capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM
American Renaissance http://www.amren.com is not a pro-racist site, it is a anti-racist site.
It primarily focuses on the the hypocrisy of the race-baters and media by posting facts.
Facts like how so many supposed hate crime are actually faked:
Hate Crimes, Real and Imagined
http://www.amren.com/features/hate_crimes/index.html
or Anti-white hate speech:
http://www.amren.com/features/anti-white/hate_speech.html
Amren also posts lots of things that the media will never publish.
We just live in a time where the truth is hate speech and to tell a lie is considered inclusive.
esnap on January 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM
My guess is, Sherriff dumbnik knew he screwed up when he didn’t take these threats seriously…so he’s going to do what any good, obedient liberal would do. Blame anyone, and lay his guilt elsewhere.
No personal responsibility should be the mantra of the left.
capejasmine on January 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Arizona State Senator Linda Lopez asserted that Loughner is an Afghanistan War veteran (after she blamed the tea party). Lopez should be made to stand in the well of the Arizona Senate & be reprimanded.
batterup on January 10, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Nice. The good sheriff may now find out that being in the spotlight may have it’s downside. I would like to see him explain to Megyn Kelly why the threat charges weren’t filed, thus lessening the odds this mght have happened. Maybe Rush or Beck will get hold of this. That guy needs to be de-pantsed in public.
a capella on January 10, 2011 at 1:36 PM
But it’s still being reported in the news cycle as late as this morning.
When do the media bunnies fact check what they are reporting?
Why aren’t they reporting on Sheriff Dupnik’s lack of taking action prior to the event. There were all kinds of complaints about this kid. They didn’t arrest or charge him.
Nothing to see here folks, it’s conservative talk radios fault, it’s Sarah Palin’s fault it’s the TEA party’s fault.
It looks to me like it’s Sheriff Dupnik’s fault. He’s in trouble.
Dr Evil on January 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Clearly Martin Scorcese is to blame for making Taxi Driver./
Buy Danish on January 10, 2011 at 4:02 PM