Breaking: Congresswoman, five others shot in Tucson, AZ; Update: NPR reports six dead; Update: Federal judge dead; Update: Gunman identified; Update: Giffords expected to pull through; Update: Gunman may have left video manifesto; Update: “Very disturbed,” says shooter’s classmate

posted at 1:20 pm on January 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This is just awful:

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, an eyewitness reported Saturday.

Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first “Congress on Your Corner” event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting. At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

Giffords has been taken to a hospital in Tucson, but at least so far her condition is not known.  Bystanders apparently tackled the gunman after he tried to run away, and kudos to their bravery.   There is no word on who the gunman is or why he opened fire on the public event.

Prayers go out for Giffords, the other victims, and their families for a full recovery.  I’ll update as more details are known.

Update: NPR has updated its initial report to say that nine people were injured.  Still no word on Giffords’ condition.

Update II: Same link – NPR now reporting Giffords and six others have died in the attack.  Horrible.

Update (AP): An eyewitness at the scene describes the shooter to Gawker:

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

Update (Ed): Via Twitter, KOLD reports that Giffords is still in surgery.  Let’s hope she pulls through.

Update (AP): I haven’t seen the report myself, but word on Twitter is that CNN claims the gunman is 21 years old.

Update (AP): Amazingly good news: An Arizona state senator at the hospital tells Fox News that she’s responding to commands and that she was shot in the temple but the bullet exited somehow. Too early to tell on her long-term prognosis, obviously, but she’s made it through surgery.

Update (AP): Federal judge John Roll was at the event and reportedly wounded, but Fox News just broke in to say that he’s been killed. He was appointed by Bush 41.

Update (AP): The gunman has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Laughner.

Update (AP): Wonderful news on a horrible day: Reportedly, doctors are expecting Giffords to “pull through.”

Update (AP): If this is true, the “lone nut” theory is out the window:

UPDATE: Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought.

Update (AP): A surgeon at the hospital is giving a presser now; he says he’s “very optimistic” that Giffords will make it. Five victims are critical (including Giffords) and five are stable. One victim died at the hospital — a nine-year-old child.

Update (AP): Exercise caution since names can be mistaken, but I’m getting multiple tips that this YouTube channel — created by “Jared Lee Loughner” — could be the gunman’s. There are three manifesto-type clips there; the one below is called “Final Thoughts” and was posted last month. As Jon Henke said on Twitter, he sounds like an anarchist, complaining about “currency that’s not backed by gold and silver” and how “you don’t have to accept the federalist laws.”

Here’s a second clip. The guy, unsurprisingly, sounds like a crank. But what of the other suspects?

Here’s the third and last clip, mumbling about being a “mind controller.”

Update (Ed): KOLD identifies the suspect as Jared Lee Loughner, same as the YouTube channel.

A 22-year-old man is in custody in connection with the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Jared Lee Loughner is being held after Giffords was shot Saturday at an event in Tucson.

Multiple search warrants are being served in the investigation, said Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Rick Kastigar.

Not sure whether anyone can determine any sort of political inclinations from the above insanity; sounds like an anti-government, anti-religion nutcase, but even that’s giving the “conscience dreamer” too much credit for coherence.

Update (AP): Here’s a list of favorite books from Loughner’s YouTube profile. One is by Ayn Rand, a few others are even more famous:

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Update (AP): There’s one other video on Loughner’s YouTube page — not a clip that he created, but one created by someone else which he “favorited.” It’s of a flag-burning.

Update (Ed): Lots of tweets and a couple of e-mails about testimony from a young woman who claimed to know the suspect and his political leanings, but there’s not much point in pursuing that.  She claims she last saw him in 2007, so the data would be marginal at best even if there was some confirmation of it, which there isn’t.  As I tweeted earlier, assuming that the YouTube channel does belong to the suspect, it would indicate someone from neither Left nor Right but from outer space, and almost undeniably mentally ill.

Update (AP): Loughner has reportedly told police that he acted alone, which is no surprise given the tenor of the YouTube videos. Still no word on what happened to the second (and third?) suspect, though. As for Giffords, while doctors are hopeful she’ll survive, the recovery obviously won’t be easy. The bullet passed through her brain, reportedly entering through the temple and exiting through her forehead.

Update (AP): Looks like the earlier info about a second suspect was bad. From Fox News: “Police reportedly had also arrested a second suspect, however law enforcement official told Fox News they believe Loughner acted alone after a ‘preliminary search’ for a second suspect turned up no one.”

Update (AP): I suspect this story’s going to shift very quickly from an “ideological nutjob” narrative to one about an obviously ill man not getting the help he needed.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.


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The reality is that some of the rhetoric from the right has frightened people. And that needs to be addressed.

Promptly. If you honestly listen to people, then that’s actually not an awful criticism.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

What rhetoric? The left is actively calling for revol_ution in the streets. Where is your fear of that? Where is the media decrying their “extreme” rhetoric?

Man, you really don’t get it.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 1:08 PM

PatMac on January 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Most of the pack I’ve been with were on their own with jobs or serving in the military at 17-18. 22 and still can’t be trusted to change his undershorts. Well, I certainly wouldn’t trust “him” with a gun.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 1:09 PM

AnninCA is clearly from the insane state of California. Please don’t make any more negative comment about the Great State of KS, land of Oz, ruby slippers and gun totin’, Bible thumpin’, rednecks!

katablog.com on January 9, 2011 at 1:08 PM

No offense was intended at all. I happen to be an Oz-loving CHL carrying Texan with great respect for the sunflower state.

TxAnn56 on January 9, 2011 at 1:15 PM

You gun-slingers sort of scare the rest of us. I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner. Well, that’s not entirely true. There is one character, but he was arrested for shooting a rodent on his porch.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Thanks for reminding me that I need to renew my permit next month.

ladyingray on January 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM

My 21 year old son has been in the military for 2 years and carries a gun for his job. What’s the matter with your mothering skills?

ladyingray on January 9, 2011 at 1:24 PM

I thought AnninCA moved to Texas. How can she not know anyone who owns a gun?

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Look at the PHOTO of the 2nd person of interest in this shooting. Does he look like aConservative? Does he look likes Tea Partier? I know the “role” of the 50-year old person of interest is still under development, but the fact that tge Feds have a name to attach to the face, and the fact that despite having a name this person has not yet been located, is VERY telling.

Now this is going to be controversial, and may just get me banned, but I will speak in all honesty here. When the mid-terms became evident that they would be a Republican rout my distrust of the Left was on high alert. I thought that no way the Left would lie down and watch their power, and thus their agenda, be snatched away from them. So I began thinking of ways the Left could arrest the inevitable.

Their usual tactics of voter fraud and flooding the polling places with the homeless and minorities did not seem to me to be a winning strategy because of opposition to their agenda by so-called Independants. So what to do to win over the Moderates if you are a member of the Left?

FEAR and DISGUST. It always works with the wishy-washy Center. Much like how our military and intelligence agencies game-plan scenarios of possible terrorist plots, I began to game-plan possible actions the Left would use to preserve their majorities. One of the scenarios I came up with was SACRIFICE OF ONE OF THEIR OWN. I thought that, what better way to have the Leftist meme of “violent, dangerous and racist” Tea Partiers” validated than to sacrifice one of your own and pin it on the Tea Party and Conservatives? Our cowardly moderates would flee to the Left in droves!

Perhaps it was too obvious for our Leftist friends to pull this off during the election cycle. But what was to take place this coming week? The vote to repeal ObamaCare! That vote has not only been put off, but it has also put the Republican majority on the DEFENSIVE!!! How dare they! How dare the Republicans be so hateful and partisan in the face of this tragedy!!!! As the Leftis parroting right now, but had no interest in doing for the last 4 years, we must all COME TOGETHER!!!!

So again, the FBI has a PHOTO and a NAME of a 2nd person of interest in this tragedy, but that person is NOT in custody!!!!

WHY NOT???????

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

I thought AnninCA moved to Texas. How can she not know anyone who owns a gun?

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

It’s kind of the reverse in Texas, you’re hard pressed to find someone who doesn’t own a gun.

TxAnn56 on January 9, 2011 at 1:29 PM

You gun-slingers sort of scare the rest of us. I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner.
 
AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

 
And yet you posted earlier that, if trouble threatens, you call gun owners. You even said you have them on speed dial.

rogerb on January 9, 2011 at 1:29 PM

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

I was watching the FBI rep on FOX and he was claiming the only thing that they wanted the man on tape for was as a witness. He said they don’t suspect him to be involved.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 1:29 PM

So again, the FBI has a PHOTO and a NAME of a 2nd person of interest in this tragedy, but that person is NOT in custody!!!!

WHY NOT???????

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

He left?

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Tombstone of the USA??

The sheriff is nutz

Ugly on January 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Who’s this Clarence Dupnik (Puma County AZ Sheriff) who just claimed at the press conference that political speech should have limits to protect us from “unstable individuals”?!

(And then turns around and says we shouldn’t have gun rights either).

(And then subtly blames Reagan for keeping mentally unstable individuals on the street…)

Skywise on January 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM

One of the scenarios I came up with was SACRIFICE OF ONE OF THEIR OWN. I thought that, what better way to have the Leftist meme of “violent, dangerous and racist” Tea Partiers” validated than to sacrifice one of your own and pin it on the Tea Party and Conservatives? Our cowardly moderates would flee to the Left in droves!

You’re either a troll or disturbed yourself. Either way you should get banned from here and consider becoming a hermit somewhere in a distant wilderness away from society.

Dash on January 9, 2011 at 1:35 PM

She’s a Glockaphobe.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM

the correct term is “hoplophobe”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia

Hoplophobia from the Greek hoplon, meaning armor, is defined as the “fear of firearms” and as the “fear of armed citizens”.

Firearms instructor and writer Colonel Jeff Cooper claimed to have coined the word in 1962 to describe a “mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons”. Although not a mental health professional, Cooper employed the term as an alternative to slang terms, stating: “We read of ‘gun grabbers’ and ‘anti-gun nuts’ but these slang terms do not (explain this behavior).” Cooper attributed this behavior to an irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry. He stated that “the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user.” Writing in an opinion piece, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review columnist Dimitri Vassilaros asserted that the term was intended by Cooper as tongue-in-cheek.

The meaning and usage ascribed by Cooper falls outside of the medical definitions of true specific phobias. For example, specific phobias require that the person be aware and acknowledge that their fear is irrational, and usually causes some kind of functional impairment. True medical phobias of firearms and other weapons can exist, but are unusual

warhorse_03826 on January 9, 2011 at 1:36 PM

David2.0
I continue to believe that the 2 years leading up to the 2012 elections will be very turbulent for our country. I also believe that the left wants there to be violence from the right.
People have written here, before this, of the possibilty of the November 2012 elections not taking place. That seems farfetched, but not so much when we see the knee-jerk reaction of the Republicans to put off the vote scheduled in the House next week to repeal Obamacare. This is a weak and not well thought out response from the Republicans, and it sets a bad precedent.
Are our governmental processes so fragile that they can be derailed by singular acts of violence? What happens if there are Rodney King sized riots in multiple cities in mid to late October 2012?

GaltBlvnAtty on January 9, 2011 at 1:38 PM

warhorse_03826 on January 9, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Maybe I needed the sarc/ tag.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 1:40 PM

You gun-slingers sort of scare the rest of us.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

“the rest of us”? You mean you leftist loons that think guns shoot people all by themselves. Thankfully, you idiots are the extreme minority in this country.

I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner.

Except for the police you moonbat psycho.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Tombstone of the USA??

The sheriff is nutz

Ugly on January 9, 2011 at 1:33 PM

I’ll make the assumption for now that he’s a fine public servant, and served the county well in his 50 years of law enforcement. That said, he’s coming off like an idealogue when he makes statements like that.

Locking up all the crazies is not the answer – is there a way to definitively tell if someone is going to turn violent?

And, I’ve been away from the post for awhile now, but has it been discussed just where the hell law enforcement was during the event? I mean, the guy got off 31 shots…could that have happened if there was ANY police presence?

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 1:44 PM

He had been in touch with her since 2007? This is starting to backfire on the left already.

Firebird on January 9, 2011 at 1:47 PM

I mean, the guy got off 31 shots…could that have happened if there was ANY police presence?

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 1:44 PM

He re-loaded?

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 1:47 PM

He re-loaded?

I thought they said 31 shots. Maybe I heard that wrong.

But 6 dead people with more wounded….

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 1:50 PM

And, I’ve been away from the post for awhile now, but has it been discussed just where the hell law enforcement was during the event? I mean, the guy got off 31 shots…could that have happened if there was ANY police presence?

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 1:44 PM

When seconds count, police are only minutes away.

And yea he probably could have gotten off a few rounds before being shot dead.

A better question would be to ask where the hell any law-abiding gun carrying citizens were. I mean its a freaking shall-issue state. Almost anyone can get a CCL/CCP and yet there was NO ONE who had the presence of mind to bring a weapon to possibly protect the Congresswoman?

SgtSVJones on January 9, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Alliance Defense Fund President, CEO, and General Counsel Alan Sears offered the following comments Sunday regarding the shooting death Chief Judge John McCarthy Roll of the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona:

“Chief Judge Roll was a great lawyer, sound jurist, and a long-time friend. Our hearts are deeply grieved over this tragedy. His untimely death is a huge loss for America’s judicial system and for all of us, personally. One consolation we have in our grief is that because of John’s fervent love for the Lord, he is right now rejoicing in the loving presence of his Creator. We will keep the judge’s family and his countless friends and students in our prayers.”

Bullhead on January 9, 2011 at 1:57 PM

I thought they said 31 shots. Maybe I heard that wrong.

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 1:50 PM

That’s what I heard too. Extended clips, also

Ugly on January 9, 2011 at 1:57 PM

…NO ONE who had the presence of mind to bring a weapon to possibly protect the Congresswoman?

I’ll assume for now that all representatives receive threatening letters at one time or another. Whether it be police or armed citizens, someone should have definitely have had this scenario in mind ahead of time.

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 2:00 PM

I pray that this is the last time in my own lifetime that we see this kind of mindless violence against public officials and the innocents around them.

Sadly, I am also not holding my breath.

itzWicks on January 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

I think it also might be appropriate at this time to discuss the plated “eyewitnesses” at the crime scene.

One eyewitness, who found her way to a camera and a microphone, described the shooter as white, 20-25, clean-shaven, short hair, dressed in black,…….and………wait for it………….a “fringe-type” character.

Oh do tell, sweetheart.

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Just chiming in here, finally.

Sad, very sad. And that poor little girl, her family and the neighbors that brought her. Ugh.

Too bad people want to politicize the evil a madman did.

Sickening.

RedNewEnglander on January 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM

He re-loaded?
I thought they said 31 shots. Maybe I heard that wrong.

But 6 dead people with more wounded….

badtemper on January 9, 2011 at 1:50 PM

He had extended clips for his gun. Also was said he was able to reload but that is when he was taken down.

William Amos on January 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Ballistic Bob,

Are you so simple-minded?

A name and a face usually adds ip to an ADDRESS, simpleton.

Tax returns, SSN, workplace, friends,associates.

Do you have so little faith in our FBI?

The fact they have not found this guy is obviously because he is in hiding, doofus.

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM

And I’d say, quit playing the political game of FINGER-POINTING fair play junk.

Just quit referring to Nazis, for gosh sakes. That would be a start.

We’re so not close to that metaphor.

So it shouldn’t be hard to dial down the rhetoric.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Nazis were mentioned to bring attention to what evil they were able to accomplish AFTER they confiscated the weapons of law-abiding citizens!!

You truly DO have a comprehension problem.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Police?? Where was the Secret Service Agent assigned to protect the Congresswoman?? I am curious to know what this investigation will lead.

Dash on January 9, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Not much of a political realist are you? History is full of examples of where a person is sacrificed for the “good” of the cause. Take a look at any of the leftists’ heroes and you will find one. Nothing new.

Claimsratt on January 9, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Dash,

Just sharing my thoughts. Do you have something against free speech?

Never heard of you before and I have been here at HotAir awhile.

That just might make YOU the troll, my friend.

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Dash,

The Secret Service is not tasked with protecting members of Congress

Really, get up to speed before you go spouting off. If you have a question, I hear google is pretty good at providing information.

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Did I hear that a women was the first to tackle the shooter when he was reloading. I guess there are no alpha males at a democrat rally. The only time I see the left’s male act up is during a protest hiding behind masks.

On a similar note the pocketbook/weapon used to subdue the shooter of the Florida school board shooting sold for $13,000 on eBay.

serendip2b on January 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

The reality is that some of the rhetoric from the right has frightened people. And that needs to be addressed.

Promptly. If you honestly listen to people, then that’s actually not an awful criticism.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Here’s a nice list of all the rhetoric coming from the left. From Chris Mattews fantasizing about killing Rush to Salon publishing a letter advocating the death of Sarah Palin to Ed Shulz wanting to rip out Dick Cheney’s heart!
Links are provided!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2653895/posts

I defy you to find anything like this garbage coming from any conservative or Republican!

If you have links of conservatives calling for the death of some liberal, provide the link! If you have a link of some conservative telling people to bring a gun or calling for the TEA party to punish our enemies, argue with their neighbors and get into their faces, just provide the links! Lets see this rhetoric! Compare it to what is coming from the left in this country!!

JellyToast on January 9, 2011 at 3:16 PM

He had extended clips for his gun. Also was said he was able to reload but that is when he was taken down.

Not to bust chops, but…

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ClipMagazineLesson.jpg

toliver on January 9, 2011 at 3:19 PM

That’s what I heard too. Extended clips, also

Ugly on January 9, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Yesterday, CNN had him with a Glock 19 with a 30 round mag and that he still had rounds left when he was apprehended.

Poss they screwed that up, too.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM

He was disrupting classes. They suspended him. They can not force him to go to see anyone. He did nothing that would warrant being put in an involuntary hold. No authorities were going to come out and arrest the kid for being mentally ill. You want to just lock people up. But there has to be some evidence that they were a threat to themselves or others first – not after the fact.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 1:07 PM

The evidence suggests that both the professor and the students in the math class were afraid that the kid was going to end up bringing a gun to class, so it’s much more than being disruptive. Being disruptive is texting on your cellphone; this was being a dangerous psycho. Also, the school suspended him because they felt that he was a threat to others in the college. They felt that he was going to bring a gun to class and start shooting like in Virginia Tech. If they felt that this was the case, then the college should have proactively notified the appropriate authorities and they could have gone through the procedures needed to have him committed. The school basically did nothing except butt covering to reduce their own liability with the situation.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 3:23 PM

And yep, there it is.

He did empty a 31 round clip and was loading a 2nd.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 3:24 PM

I thought AnninCA moved to Texas. How can she not know anyone who owns a gun?

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Clearly, she is living in Austin. However, I’m still waiting to hear how awesomely, awesome her new free Obamacare is.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 3:25 PM

The fact they have not found this guy is obviously because he is in hiding, doofus.

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM

The fact that they haven’t found this guy is because THEY AREN’T LOOKING FOR HIM!

Thanks for playing, dumbass.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 3:27 PM

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Dash did not post the commentment about the Secret Service. I did and I did having a meeting with my Congressman, who introduced me to the SS agent that was his bodyguard. Things may have changed.

Sorry Dash for the confusion.

Claimsratt on January 9, 2011 at 3:28 PM

When seconds count, police are only minutes away.

And yea he probably could have gotten off a few rounds before being shot dead.

A better question would be to ask where the hell any law-abiding gun carrying citizens were. I mean its a freaking shall-issue state. Almost anyone can get a CCL/CCP and yet there was NO ONE who had the presence of mind to bring a weapon to possibly protect the Congresswoman?

SgtSVJones on January 9, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Most people (including many gun owners) don’t pack heat when they’re going to a political rally.

It seems like a lady (who was injured) stopped him from getting the second magazine into the gun properly and that two guys tackled him to the ground.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Dash did not post the commentment about the Secret Service. I did and I did having a meeting with my Congressman, who introduced me to the SS agent that was his bodyguard. Things may have changed.

Sorry Dash for the confusion.

Claimsratt on January 9, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Who is your Congressman?? Because outside the leadership teams on both sides of the aisle Congresspeople generally don’t have security details.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Maybe I am wrong but the guy was carrying a gun. Could have been private bodyguard. It was over 29 years ago.

Claimsratt on January 9, 2011 at 3:38 PM

And if I am wrong … guess what … I can admit it :) Unlike some.

Claimsratt on January 9, 2011 at 3:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

Giffords YouTube channel. Look at who she subscribed to. Only 2 people and one of them happens to be her attacker?

Very strange.

And yes, I went to her congressional website to make sure the YouTube channel is hers. And it is.

ButterflyDragon on January 9, 2011 at 3:47 PM

One more point.

If that loudmouthed, Lefty sheriff was so concerned about the effect Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity might have on the unstable persons in his county then maybe he could have assigned a few of his deputies to munch a few donuts in the parking lot while this congresswoman met with her constituents.

He didn’t do that did he?

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 3:48 PM

classitup youtube page had ~300 hits on each video when I found it yesterday. now it is ~1,000,000

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 4:02 PM

classitup youtube page had ~300 hits on each video when I found it yesterday. now it is ~1,000,000

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 4:02 PM

I think that was part of his plan , to get attention.

He probably assumed he would be killed.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 4:05 PM

On January 28, 2011, a search warrant was executed at [redacted] in Tucson, Arizona, where LOUGHNER resides. Some of the evidence seized from that location included a letter in a safe, addressed to “Mr. Jared Loughney” at [redacted] Avenue, from Congresswoman Giffords, on Congressional stationary [sic], dated August 30, 2007, thanking him for attending a “Congress on your Corner” event at the Foothills Mall in Tucson. Also recovered in a safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating “I planned ahead” and “My assassination” and the name “Giffords,” along with what appears to be LOUGHNER’s signature.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/01/09/loughner.complaint.pdf

steebo77 on January 9, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Butterfly: That is odd, yes.

Are you saying that the attacker subscribed to her channel, or that she subscribed to his?

I will note that all evidence points to the fact that Giffords responded to her constituents. Didn’t the attacker contact her in the past? Maybe that’s all this was?

There’s also the possibility that past subscribers to her channel desubscribed after yesterday. Possible, but not likely, IMO.

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Steebo: Well, that should make plain that Giffords was indeed the target.

And that, as is so often true in this fallen world, no good deed went unpunished.

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Very strange.

And yes, I went to her congressional website to make sure the YouTube channel is hers. And it is.

ButterflyDragon on January 9, 2011 at 3:47 PM

That is very strange indeed.

– Did a staffer subscribe due to previous threats?
– Or did a staffer subscribe yesterday/today?

Perhaps a HotAirien with more YouTube experience can explain how someone other than the account holder can force a subscription to an account.

Rod on January 9, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Rod: Well, if there’s a question as to when the subscription occurred, YouTube has to have backups to figure that out.

At the very least, they should be able to state whether it happened in the past, say, week.

Considering the evidence of a 2007 link between them, I will rather believe that it most likely happened then.

My question is that if the attacker had an eye on Giffords since 2007, why snap now?

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Are you saying that the attacker subscribed to her channel, or that she subscribed to his?

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

It looks like she subscribe to his channel, and only one more person. Thats why it’s strange. I think anyone can subscribe to her channel , as the numbers are increasing.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM

My question is that if the attacker had an eye on Giffords since 2007, why snap now?

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Stalker , like Will Folks on acid.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Stalker , like Will Folks on acid.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM

The Tea Party made Will Folks snap, too.
s/

steebo77 on January 9, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Claimsratt on January 9, 2011 at 2:45 PM

We’re in the middle of the left trying to pin this on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party and you’re trying to one up them by endorsing the idea that it was some sort of inside job by “the left”. People were shot and killed for God’s sake and a young girl died. Do you realise how foolish this sounds?

Dash,

Just sharing my thoughts. Do you have something against free speech?

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM

And I’m sharing my thoughts, you’re a nut doing the same thing Krugman et al are doing. I should condone it because it targets my political rivals? Please. Go use your free speech at some conspiracy site.

Dash on January 9, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Nile: I think, then, that there may be a legacy from 2007.

This is getting weird…

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 5:08 PM

According to the Sheriff, shooter went through one magazine, started to reload 2nd, a woman, Patrica _________, grabbed it away, shooter tried to reload a third magazine, improperly loaded when hit with folding chair (not sure by whom) and two men took him down.

A third man was hit (sounds like a graze to the head) and playing dead, helped the two holding the shooter by sitting on shooter’s legs.

katablog.com on January 9, 2011 at 5:09 PM

People were shot and killed for crying out loud God’s sake and a young girl died. Do you realise how foolish this sounds?

Dash,

Just sharing my thoughts. Do you have something against free speech?

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM
And I’m sharing my thoughts, you’re a nut doing the same thing Krugman et al are doing. I should condone it because it targets my political rivals? Please. Go use your free speech at some conspiracy site.

Dash on January 9, 2011 at 4:59 PM

darwin-t on January 9, 2011 at 5:13 PM

That is very strange indeed.

– Did a staffer subscribe due to previous threats?
– Or did a staffer subscribe yesterday/today?

Perhaps a HotAirien with more YouTube experience can explain how someone other than the account holder can force a subscription to an account.

Rod on January 9, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Yeah, I’m thinking it’s a staffer, since the last login was yesterday after the shooting. Very possible they were given information to his page and subscribed as a way to get back to it quickly.

But strange nonetheless.

ButterflyDragon on January 9, 2011 at 5:15 PM

The shot congresswoman had sent a letter to the shooter before the shooting actually thanking him

Dollayo on January 9, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Butterfly: Ah, that makes sense.

Oh, and I can do conspiracy theory, too, guys! I won’t post it, though, because no matter how I tagged it, it would get me banned.

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 5:24 PM

CNN is now reporting that the authorities have interviewed the possible accomplice and ruled out any involvement between him and Loughner.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM

katablog.com on January 9, 2011 at 5:09 PM

The more I read about and hear on the news about the “sheriff” the more I think he’s one incompetent political hack in a police suit.

He was clueless also about the reason for the judges presence. A big deal that he didn’t know why he was there? Nope! A big deal that he made a statement that he was certain he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yep. These people are trained in media relations and he is a complete hack in the manner in which he used his time with them in his press conference. He made it sound like he was a victim of the evil right rhetoric too.

Pink slip in the future I hope.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

CNN is now reporting that the authorities have interviewed the possible accomplice and ruled out any involvement between him and Loughner.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Yep, just a taxi driver, and Loughner stiffed him on the fare. I wonder if he called the cops?

slickwillie2001 on January 9, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Isn’t it likely that he “snapped” now because she voted last week against Pelosi as minority leader?

GaltBlvnAtty on January 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Pink slip in the future I hope.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I listened to someone on Fox this afternoon talking about the sheriff’s behavior and he said that hopefully the judge will put a gag order out to shut some of these buffoons down.

Maybe the good people of Arizona will start a recall on this idiot.

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 5:56 PM

I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

You haven’t the foggiest idea whether you know a gun owner. I’d be willing to bet good money that you know more than 10.

Saltysam on January 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

My question is that if the attacker had an eye on Giffords since 2007, why snap now?

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Go to http://www.hillbuzz.org and scroll for the post on the Daily Kos. Read the diary entry and tell me if we can’t put two and two together. Post was written 48 hours before the incident, and the writer references the fact that he had worked for her in previous elections.

Key West Reader on January 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM

KWR: If the shooter didn’t have a previous connection to Giffords, I’d be more inclined to believe it. (Unless you think that he recognized Giffords’ name in the rant as his congressman.)

This should be rather easy to put together. Check his internet log. If he had a private computer, that can be reconstructed, even if deleted. If you can show that he went to Kos in the last 48 hours…

Yes, that would be rather damning.

Scott H on January 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Saltysam on January 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

That’s assuming AnninCca has ten freinds.

serendip2b on January 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Oh, Jeez. Just heard the lady who knocked the magazine out of the gunman’s hand, a real heroine, say that she believed the sherrif, and that it was the fault of the Repulicans and the right.

Arrrrrgh!

Tennman on January 9, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Oh, Jeez. Just heard the lady who knocked the magazine out of the gunman’s hand, a real heroine, say that she believed the sherrif, and that it was the fault of the Repulicans and the right.

Arrrrrgh!

Tennman on January 9, 2011 at 7:30 PM

So she was saying she knocked the magazine out of the hand of the Republicans and the right and not out of the hands of Jared Loughner?

steebo77 on January 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Odd how Arizona can produce a Sheriff Arpayo and this Sheriff Dubnik joker.

Of course, he’s being lionized by the Left.

“Good for Sheriff Dubnik, we need more like him to speak out and stand up for what is right and good.”

Akzed on January 9, 2011 at 8:10 PM

I thought AnninCA moved to Texas. How can she not know anyone who owns a gun?

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Cause she is just makin stuff up that largely has a first-person ontology and so can never be refuted. Its just anecdotal. AnecdotalAnn we should call her.

She maintains that she voted for McCain/Palin when I know that this is a LIE of the first order. I had conversation with AnnInCA on a different blog where she was vehemently opposed Palin over the abortion issue.

And yet she maintains that she voted for McCain/Palin.

Geochelone on January 9, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Lots of people saw that this young man had a problem. But people don’t try to help each other solve problems anymore. They expect government to “fix” everybody.

hawksruleva on January 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Cause she is just makin stuff up that largely has a first-person ontology and so can never be refuted. Its just anecdotal. AnecdotalAnn we should call her.

She maintains that she voted for McCain/Palin when I know that this is a LIE of the first order. I had conversation with AnnInCA on a different blog where she was vehemently opposed Palin over the abortion issue.

And yet she maintains that she voted for McCain/Palin.

Geochelone on January 9, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Why exactly are trolls dumb enough to use the same screen name on different blogs? Don’t they know that people frequent more than one blog?

As for the troll in question, she’ll be voting for a Republican around the same time that the Cubs win the World Series (aka never). If there’s one thing that all Republicans, even social moderates, could agree on, it’s that the gov’t taking over the health insurance system was a bad idea. The fact that she was ardently defending it makes her an obvious troll.

Illinidiva on January 10, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Look at the PHOTO of the 2nd person of interest in this shooting. Does he look like aConservative? Does he look likes Tea Partier? I know the “role” of the 50-year old person of interest is still under development, but the fact that tge Feds have a name to attach to the face, and the fact that despite having a name this person has not yet been located, is VERY telling.

So again, the FBI has a PHOTO and a NAME of a 2nd person of interest in this tragedy, but that person is NOT in custody!!!!

WHY NOT???????

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM

The 2nd guy was cleared. It was his cab driver. Not the Chairman of the DNC.

lexhamfox on January 10, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Update (AP): I suspect this story’s going to shift very quickly from an “ideological nutjob” narrative to one about an obviously ill man not getting the help he needed.

Apparently you have more faith in the lamestream media than I do

NoFanofLibs on January 10, 2011 at 6:38 AM

I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner.

California Liberal Poseur

Wherein Ann suffers her Lillian Hellman moment. Consider, Ann, how far outside of the mainstream of American culture this places you.

Jaibones on January 10, 2011 at 6:51 AM

I am a native Tucsonian and currently live in Tucson. I would like to share some of my thoughts and experiences.

first, Giffords is NOT a moderate as the news media would like you to believe. additionally, Tucson is NOT “right leaning” either. it is very much the liberal bastion of the state.

I actually went to school with Giffords. Personally, I’m sure she is a nice woman; professionally, she is very much a liberal. Her district, even with the liberals, was very much against the healthcare overhaul. She voted for it anyway. she cancelled town hall meetings and refused to discuss the conservative side of the bill. period. this frustrated people, including me. She also sided with the az boycotters when SP1070 was passed. This gives you an idea of her policies.

that being said she DID NOT deserve what happened to her.

as far as Sheriff Dupnik is concerned, he is a far left liberal who disdains anything good or decent or “right.”. He unfortunately is a lifetime politician here that I’m afraid will only keep getting reelected.

I’m very saddened by the events of Saturday. No one deserved this.

I apologize for the non-capitals. I’m typing on a new IPad–operator errors!

azlindy on January 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM

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