Breaking: Congresswoman, five others shot in Tucson, AZ; Update: NPR reports six dead; Update: Federal judge dead; Update: Gunman identified; Update: Giffords expected to pull through; Update: Gunman may have left video manifesto; Update: “Very disturbed,” says shooter’s classmate

posted at 1:20 pm on January 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This is just awful:

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, an eyewitness reported Saturday.

Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first “Congress on Your Corner” event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting. At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

Giffords has been taken to a hospital in Tucson, but at least so far her condition is not known.  Bystanders apparently tackled the gunman after he tried to run away, and kudos to their bravery.   There is no word on who the gunman is or why he opened fire on the public event.

Prayers go out for Giffords, the other victims, and their families for a full recovery.  I’ll update as more details are known.

Update: NPR has updated its initial report to say that nine people were injured.  Still no word on Giffords’ condition.

Update II: Same link – NPR now reporting Giffords and six others have died in the attack.  Horrible.

Update (AP): An eyewitness at the scene describes the shooter to Gawker:

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

Update (Ed): Via Twitter, KOLD reports that Giffords is still in surgery.  Let’s hope she pulls through.

Update (AP): I haven’t seen the report myself, but word on Twitter is that CNN claims the gunman is 21 years old.

Update (AP): Amazingly good news: An Arizona state senator at the hospital tells Fox News that she’s responding to commands and that she was shot in the temple but the bullet exited somehow. Too early to tell on her long-term prognosis, obviously, but she’s made it through surgery.

Update (AP): Federal judge John Roll was at the event and reportedly wounded, but Fox News just broke in to say that he’s been killed. He was appointed by Bush 41.

Update (AP): The gunman has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Laughner.

Update (AP): Wonderful news on a horrible day: Reportedly, doctors are expecting Giffords to “pull through.”

Update (AP): If this is true, the “lone nut” theory is out the window:

UPDATE: Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought.

Update (AP): A surgeon at the hospital is giving a presser now; he says he’s “very optimistic” that Giffords will make it. Five victims are critical (including Giffords) and five are stable. One victim died at the hospital — a nine-year-old child.

Update (AP): Exercise caution since names can be mistaken, but I’m getting multiple tips that this YouTube channel — created by “Jared Lee Loughner” — could be the gunman’s. There are three manifesto-type clips there; the one below is called “Final Thoughts” and was posted last month. As Jon Henke said on Twitter, he sounds like an anarchist, complaining about “currency that’s not backed by gold and silver” and how “you don’t have to accept the federalist laws.”

Here’s a second clip. The guy, unsurprisingly, sounds like a crank. But what of the other suspects?

Here’s the third and last clip, mumbling about being a “mind controller.”

Update (Ed): KOLD identifies the suspect as Jared Lee Loughner, same as the YouTube channel.

A 22-year-old man is in custody in connection with the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Jared Lee Loughner is being held after Giffords was shot Saturday at an event in Tucson.

Multiple search warrants are being served in the investigation, said Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Rick Kastigar.

Not sure whether anyone can determine any sort of political inclinations from the above insanity; sounds like an anti-government, anti-religion nutcase, but even that’s giving the “conscience dreamer” too much credit for coherence.

Update (AP): Here’s a list of favorite books from Loughner’s YouTube profile. One is by Ayn Rand, a few others are even more famous:

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Update (AP): There’s one other video on Loughner’s YouTube page — not a clip that he created, but one created by someone else which he “favorited.” It’s of a flag-burning.

Update (Ed): Lots of tweets and a couple of e-mails about testimony from a young woman who claimed to know the suspect and his political leanings, but there’s not much point in pursuing that.  She claims she last saw him in 2007, so the data would be marginal at best even if there was some confirmation of it, which there isn’t.  As I tweeted earlier, assuming that the YouTube channel does belong to the suspect, it would indicate someone from neither Left nor Right but from outer space, and almost undeniably mentally ill.

Update (AP): Loughner has reportedly told police that he acted alone, which is no surprise given the tenor of the YouTube videos. Still no word on what happened to the second (and third?) suspect, though. As for Giffords, while doctors are hopeful she’ll survive, the recovery obviously won’t be easy. The bullet passed through her brain, reportedly entering through the temple and exiting through her forehead.

Update (AP): Looks like the earlier info about a second suspect was bad. From Fox News: “Police reportedly had also arrested a second suspect, however law enforcement official told Fox News they believe Loughner acted alone after a ‘preliminary search’ for a second suspect turned up no one.”

Update (AP): I suspect this story’s going to shift very quickly from an “ideological nutjob” narrative to one about an obviously ill man not getting the help he needed.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.


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Seriously, politics in this country has always been this way.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

The mother of the little girl was on Fox this morning. So sad and so touching and so heartbreaking.

Cindy Munford on January 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

I hate how the left is using this massacre as a referendum on political rhetoric & the tea party.

Dean is on MSNBC right now using this to tout his position on guns and gun rights.

The body of that 9 year old girl isn’t even cold yet.

triple on January 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM

I just saw Clyburn on Fox News with Bret Baier and the Dems are going to use this to silence the Reps. The climate of vitriol and hate comes directly from the left and is as natural to them as breathing, but they are pinning it on the Reps. The Dems are vile and nasty, yet they are to a man blaming the Reps, Sarah Palin, and Tea Party for the climate of hate. We must not let them get by with this. As a result, every time the Reps call out the Dems for all their crap, this will be thrown in their face. Clyburn said he was glad to see Boehner pull the repeal bill vote from the floor next week and everything else. It will be used to stop their agenda, mark my words. I can’t say enough how much I detest those worms.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Man, I wish I could listen to Beck and Rush tomorrow.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

It’s not true. They would not wake her up post surgery. She’s in a barbituate coma in order to reduce brain activity and allow her brain to heal.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Giffords was struck by a single bullet that went “through and through” her head, but she was “responding to commands” after undergoing surgery, said Peter Rhee, director of trauma at the University Medical Center in Tucson.

scrubjay on January 9, 2011 at 10:56 AM

And then he bought the gun.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

He could of easily got a delivery truck and filled it with fertilizer and propane bottles.
What’s your point?

Electrongod on January 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM

The political leanings of this nut job aside, he carried out a horrific act and should be held accountable. All this hand wringing about him “not getting help” is just an excuse. The man destroyed or forever altered the lives of several people and my sympathy goes out to the friend and families of the dead and I hope fora speedy recovery for the wounded.

Yakko77 on January 9, 2011 at 10:59 AM

the Dems are going to use this to silence the Reps

How?? The guy’s a LEFTY! He’s a LEFTY! Let THEM own it!

Eren on January 9, 2011 at 11:02 AM

I just saw Clyburn on Fox News with Bret Baier and the Dems are going to use this to silence the Reps. The climate of vitriol and hate comes directly from the left and is as natural to them as breathing, but they are pinning it on the Reps. The Dems are vile and nasty, yet they are to a man blaming the Reps, Sarah Palin, and Tea Party for the climate of hate. We must not let them get by with this. As a result, every time the Reps call out the Dems for all their crap, this will be thrown in their face. Clyburn said he was glad to see Boehner pull the repeal bill vote from the floor next week and everything else. It will be used to stop their agenda, mark my words. I can’t say enough how much I detest those worms.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Yup. If Boehner et al don’t collect themselves and come out swinging against this vile political opportunism from the professional left, they are toast. I really hope they know that. I hope to high heaven they get in a room next week and come out HARD against this despicable blood libel. They can turn this back on the dems so fast and so hard, with very little effort. Just keep reminding the American people that Clyburn and his ilk are doing the very thing they claim to be criticizing, and they always have. Remind them of the Wellstone funeral. Remind them that the left always uses tragedies to score political points — and that it is despicable. Just keep saying it over and over: “My God. A child has died, and you’re using it to win votes. You make me sick.” Say it over and over. Over and over.

Rational Thought on January 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Dean is on MSNBC right now using this to tout his position on guns and gun rights.

The body of that 9 year old girl isn’t even cold yet.

triple on January 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM

That’s how democrats roll. They don’t view this as a tragedy, they view it as an opportunity to attack their enemy … the people of the United States.

Remember what the man said … never waste s crisis.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

And then he bought the gun.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

He could of easily got a delivery truck and filled it with fertilizer and propane bottles.
What’s your point?

Electrongod on January 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Not enough going on up top with this one to have a point…

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Yakko77 on January 9, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Amen to all of that…

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM

and over and over. This nutjob targetted a blue dog. If anything else that totally negates the left’s politicization.

ORconservative on January 9, 2011 at 11:07 AM

WSJ article notes that he was a Bush hater. Havent heard that one much. Wonder why?

swamp_yankee on January 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM

scrubjay on January 9, 2011 at 10:56 AM

University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten told The Associated Press that Giffords underwent a two-hour surgery Saturday and has not been conscious since the shooting.

http://goo.gl/aULG6

Why do I think what I posted is accurate and yours is not? Because I’ve worked in trauma centers with people who were shot in the head. They are put into medically induced comas. She would not be awake post surgery and according to this report and others, she has never been conscious since she was shot.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM

They notified the parents. You can’t institutionalize the kid because he was disruptive in class. Shouting in class is not evidence that you are a danger to others.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Most schools (including community colleges) have some sort of psychological counseling services. If he was sent to even a school counselor, then more would have been done.

Also, the story basically quotes them as saying that they felt would harm himself and others, not that he was just disrupting the learning environment. If they thought that, then should done more than just tell the parents that you deal with him and wash their hands of the situation. It’s clear that the school was more concerned about preventing the guy from shooting up the campus than they were ensuring that a clearly dangerous individual was committed.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Oh isn’t this just great. Someone on Fox just said this guy was interested in the American Renaissance . . . I give it not more than three hours before someone somewhere opens their yap and pulls the “Hitler was a conservative” card.

Ryan Anthony on January 9, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Not enough going on up top with this one to have a point…

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Yeah, she hijacked the thread last night for several pages of comments – please don’t get her started again. She seems too dense to comprehend all the explanations given to her over and over about guns. You know the saying, “Let sleeping dogs lie”? Applies to trolls, too.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM

http://goo.gl/aULG6

Why do I think what I posted is accurate and yours is not? Because I’ve worked in trauma centers with people who were shot in the head. They are put into medically induced comas. She would not be awake post surgery and according to this report and others, she has never been conscious since she was shot.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM

I think that the head of the trauma surgeon said that she was responding to commands and that was what he was basing it on. They could have awoken her after surgery to ascertain the extent of her brain damage and then put her back into a coma.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM

WSJ article notes that he was a Bush hater. Havent heard that one much. Wonder why?

swamp_yankee on January 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM

I’m thinking with his school friend already on Sunday talk shows purporting his liberal left-wing politics and sources like the WSJ, it’ll counter the claims being made. As more and more stuff comes out, they’ll have to own this on the Left.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Just a note to officials who want to increase security and seclude senators. Just like flight 93 the citizenry will take care of business now that we know the kooks are out. See officials have been letting these kooks free reign during G11 summits. Just let the store owner’s exercise the right to protect there on property and the problem is solved.

The police have been steadily taking away our rights to react making us complicate. Upon which left’s beta males are happy to hand their only ball (ie: Hilliary has three) over. So next time if it is a right wing event the shooter might get off two shots at most.

serendip2b on January 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Yeah, she hijacked the thread last night for several pages of comments – please don’t get her started again. She seems too dense to comprehend all the explanations given to her over and over about guns. You know the saying, “Let sleeping dogs lie”? Applies to trolls, too.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM

She should go back to enjoying her free Obamacare.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM

How you can – Protest the MEDIA DISTORTIONS of the TUCSON TRAGEDY

Mutnodjmet on January 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

As more and more stuff comes out, they’ll have to own this on the Left.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM

No Chief, they’ll just drop the story altogether. When it comes to trial the only reporting will be in AZ because the facts don’t fit the storyline they’re trying to sell nationally. If the State controlled media doesn’t report it, it dies except locally.

darwin-t on January 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Most schools (including community colleges) have some sort of psychological counseling services. If he was sent to even a school counselor, then more would have been done.

Also, the story basically quotes them as saying that they felt would harm himself and others, not that he was just disrupting the learning environment. If they thought that, then should done more than just tell the parents that you deal with him and wash their hands of the situation. It’s clear that the school was more concerned about preventing the guy from shooting up the campus than they were ensuring that a clearly dangerous individual was committed.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM

This kid didn’t need counseling. He needed to be treated by a psychiatrist. The school officials are not qualified to diagnose this kid. The school only has the authority to suspend him – not to institutionalize him. And I wouldn’t assume that his parents were not doing all they could do. This has to be heartbreaking for them.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Mark my words there will be no more town hall meetings – the dems hated them anyway – now they can hide behind this tragedy.

Fuquay Steve on January 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM

and within HOURS the liberal left starts blame Sarah Palin (for her graphic with the gun sights on states with Reps who voted for ObamaCare) during the run up to the election. Not one word has yet been mentioned about the facts

1. The gunman (he should be given NO more press) was a lunatic liberal according to those who knew him.

2. Giffords was against illegal immigration. It was to a “Latino” audience that Barack Hussein Obama said: “We must punish our enemies”.

First reports also attempted to smear our military by saying that the shooter was an Afghan War Vet. The military refused him – probably because they could spot he was loony tunes.

katablog.com on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

There will be a press conference in 30 minutes.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

And I note that except for the child, all the fatalities were elderly.
Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM

That would be false. Gabe Zimmerman, Gifford’s political aide was 30; Judge Roll was 63.

Much more to this story as things unfold. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that several agencies were alerted to this man’s behavior and were caught up in too much red tape (political correctness) to do much about it.
Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

The Virginia Tech massacre is tragically illustrative of this possibility. To whit (emphasis mine):

Due to federal privacy laws, Virginia Tech was not informed of Cho’s previous diagnosis or the accommodations he had been granted at school. In 2005, Cho was accused of stalking two female students. After an investigation, a Virginia special justice declared Cho mentally ill and ordered him to attend treatment…

More at that link, and about changes to Virginia’s gun laws and federal law vis a vis mental health.

And -

If there are serious problems, a student may be asked to get treatment. Parents may be informed if college officials are concerned, counselors say. At Virginia Tech, Seung Hui Cho’s parents were never told he was judged by a psychiatrist to be mentally ill (and ordered in a court hearing to outpatient treatment, which he never received).

Now, many colleges say they’re making sure they follow through on troubled students asked to get psychological help. This includes Virginia Tech, according to spokesman Larry Hincker.

Most legal scholars agree that colleges have the right to expect students to get mental-health evaluations and treatments, if there is cause, and to contact parents, Bonnie said. They also can ask students to withdraw if there is a documented concern about safety.

Nothing about the obligation to contact parents or ask them to withdraw, just “the right”; and “many”, “most”, but not “all” agree.

Buy Danish on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

No Chief, they’ll just drop the story altogether. When it comes to trial the only reporting will be in AZ because the facts don’t fit the storyline they’re trying to sell nationally. If the State controlled media doesn’t report it, it dies except locally.

darwin-t on January 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Probably , I’m appalled by how fox is becoming a liberal smear shop too.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I was just reading the link above about combatting the spin and slander that this is tea party driven.
The idiots on the left including Howard Dean and the lib from AZ will have a difficult time following through with that spin if Congresswoman Gabrielle makes a full recovery.

ORconservative on January 9, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Probably , I’m appalled by how fox is becoming a liberal smear shop too.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I guess it’s part of the balance thing they always say.
But I would ask Fox not to participate in these games.

Electrongod on January 9, 2011 at 11:36 AM

darwin-t on January 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Then Conservatives should remind them. Not the least of which should be Palin, Beck and Limbaugh who are the primary focus of the effort.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 11:37 AM

This kid didn’t need counseling. He needed to be treated by a psychiatrist. The school officials are not qualified to diagnose this kid. The school only has the authority to suspend him – not to institutionalize him. And I wouldn’t assume that his parents were not doing all they could do. This has to be heartbreaking for them.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

The only difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist is that a psychiatrist can prescribe meds. A psychologist would most definitely figure out that there was something seriously wrong with this kid within two seconds if most of us could figure it out just be watching a You Tube video. I’m sure that a psychologist, even a school psychologist’s testimony, could be used to commit a disturbed person.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Dean is on MSNBC right now using this to tout his position on guns and gun rights.

triple on January 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Even though a law abiding citizen carrying a weapon could potentially save lives in a situation like this by possibly taking out a rogue shooter.

Liberals aren’t idiots. They’re a public menace bent on removing tools for our own safety simply for their own power. They want our dependency and will get it any way they can, even if it means exploiting a violent crime PERPETRATED by a leftist nutjob to do it. Scary, but totally predictable.

God bless the families of the victims…I’m pray for their comfort.

Bee on January 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Then Conservatives should remind them. Not the least of which should be Palin, Beck and Limbaugh who are the primary focus of the effort.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I’m sure that those three, among others, will. However the initial shots have been fired and the rest of the country will go back to the NFL playoffs and American Idol.
Most people still think that Randy Weaver was the bad guy at Ruby Ridge.

darwin-t on January 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I’m pray for their comfort.

Bee on January 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Oops. Also, prayING for their comfort. You know what I mean. :)

Bee on January 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM

The 9 yr old, Christina Green, was the granddaughter of ex-Phillies manager, Dallas Green.

Beaglemom on January 9, 2011 at 11:46 AM

The Chicago SunTimes Op-Ed………..Boy will this one piss you off.

Overwhelmingly today, the fear-mongering and demonizing flow from the right, aided and abetted by cable TV and talk-radio hosts. They may represent only the irresponsible fringe of conservatism in America, but they are drowning out the thoughtful voices of the vast majority of conservatives.

I just love Chicago and the idiots who run this city///

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM

The Sun Times endorsed the mob banker over Senator Kirk, so even in Chicago they are way off in wacky land.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM

The author of that libel was so brave he didn’t even put his name on the story.

F these people.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 11:47 AM

and within HOURS the liberal left starts blame Sarah Palin (for her graphic with the gun sights on states with Reps who voted for ObamaCare) during the run up to the election. Not one word has yet been mentioned about the facts

1. The gunman (he should be given NO more press) was a lunatic liberal according to those who knew him.

2. Giffords was against illegal immigration. It was to a “Latino” audience that Barack Hussein Obama said: “We must punish our enemies”.

First reports also attempted to smear our military by saying that the shooter was an Afghan War Vet. The military refused him – probably because they could spot he was loony tunes.

katablog.com on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Let’s not forget he’s also an atheist. The left blamed the “atmosphere that the right created” for JFK’s assassination, yet the killer was a Communist. We can’t let this smear stand.

liberty0 on January 9, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Golden oldie from the great state of MO.

Claire McCaskill calls for violence.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Giffords was struck by a single bullet that went “through and through” her head, but she was “responding to commands” after undergoing surgery, said Peter Rhee, director of trauma at the University Medical Center in Tucson.

It was probably wishful thinkingon the part of the lefties- “blue dog”, responding to commands, like their othe “bearded marxist” pet…

anikol on January 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Loughner ‘no fan of christianity’

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM

The author of that libel was so brave he didn’t even put his name on the story.

F these people.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 11:47 AM

It is common for newspaper editorials to be unsigned.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Claire McCaskill calls for violence.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 11:51 AM

My God! Why isn’t she in jail for inciting violence, murder and mayhem???????

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Politics may be at the root of this tragedy, but for anyone at any place on the political spectrum to use this for any sort of partisan advantage or talking point or whatever is simply inhuman. God bless Rep. Giffords and the other victims, and their families.

n0doz on January 9, 2011 at 11:57 AM

…I’m appalled by how fox is becoming a liberal smear shop too.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

It’s some of the people they have. Shemp Smith is nothing more than a more restrained version of Keith Olbermann, and when Geraldo cuts loose he turns into a nasty LaRaza type.

I was pleasantly surprised today by Juan Williams, he has not jumped on the ‘Palin’s fault’ bandwagon as so many on the left have, and came across as fairly reasonable. He blamed the left’s reaction to the shooting on the claim or belief that Clinton benefited politically from Oklahoma City and his subsequent attack on talk radio.

slickwillie2001 on January 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Don’t know if anybody’s posted this yet – credit to Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit:

The media and democrats want us to focus on the nation’s “caustic political climate” after the tragedy yesterday. Maybe they should start with President Obama.
He may be the worst offender.

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

If the media really wants to improve the “caustic political climate” they may want to start at the White House.

PatMac on January 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM

if he intends to return to the College, he must resolve his Code of Conduct violations and obtain a mental health clearance indicating, in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others.

Pure wack job

J_Crater on January 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

In fighting (yes, fighting) back, some senior Republican leader should start with the listing of Obama’s personal calls to violence. See a great list of them this morning on The Gateway Pundit.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM

PatMac: Sorry for my post, you were 5 minutes ahead of me.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM

The only difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist is that a psychiatrist can prescribe meds. A psychologist would most definitely figure out that there was something seriously wrong with this kid within two seconds if most of us could figure it out just be watching a You Tube video. I’m sure that a psychologist, even a school psychologist’s testimony, could be used to commit a disturbed person.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM

A school counselor is not a psychologist. And no, you just can’t institutionalize people.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Disgusting.

ladyingray on January 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

the neurosurgeons are giving a great overview of her injury on fox

mnmom on January 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

A school counselor is not a psychologist. And no, you just can’t institutionalize people.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Most schools have someone with a psychology degree on staff and while you cannot just commit someone, the school had a duty to notify the proper authorities if they felt that the student was going to harm himself or others, not just kick him off campus to cover their own butts.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

PatMac: Sorry for my post, you were 5 minutes ahead of me.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM

No problem, great minds…

PatMac on January 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM

GIFFORDS TARGETED BECAUSE SHE WAS A JEW.

Mutnodjmet on January 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Debbie Wasserman-Shultz………how disgusting and vile is this little walking violation of nature? I remember her during the run up to the mid-terms. She was Obama’s handpicked little attack poodle. I watched her time and time again spewing the most vitriolic, partisan, and incendiary lies against Republicans.

So……for me to have to watch the talkies this morning, and listen to this little cretin (Wasserman-Shultz) talking about “shock jocks” and civility and tge consequences of rhetoric is just too much to bear. It is simply beyond the pale.

David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 12:07 PM

…oy

Ugly on January 9, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Can we please stop calling this deranged 22 year old a “kid”? He is an adult.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I am just amazed at how far Congressman Raul Grijalva went in his comments, although I suppose I shouldn’t be. Several people have already pointed out the angry rhetoric coming from Dems/leftists. I am reminded of my favorite Ann Coulter quote, about how “you can always tell what liberals are doing, by what they are accusing you of.”

This is an attempt by liberals to put the focus on right-wing dissent, not only to demonize the right wing, but to deflect from their own angry rhetoric. Odd how when there were people calling for the death of Bush and Cheney, that was just considered “dissent” by the left, and it wasn’t deemed to “incite” anyone.

They are really doing this to quell dissent, but they are doing it, in part, by masking their own hatred and nastiness, while accusing right-wingers of engaging in it.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I still don’t think this is about rhetoric. I think it’s about perspective.

I do think this is a kid. I raised a son. At 22, he was so darn clueless, I was still in major mom mode. I doubted he could replace his underwear, nevermind be smart about adult situations.

If your kids matured faster, fine. But I rather doubt that.

I think this is a story I’ve heard from some close friends about what’s really the reality of having a mentally ill child.

It’s a quagmire of rules.

They have few choices. And that’s the reality.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM

I cannot even bring myself to watch TV this morning – my blood pressure is high enough on its own. I saw two minutes of Clyburn and can’t take any more.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I still don’t think this is about rhetoric. I think it’s about perspective.

I do think this is a kid. I raised a son. At 22, he was so darn clueless, I was still in major mom mode. I doubted he could replace his underwear, nevermind be smart about adult situations.

If your kids matured faster, fine. But I rather doubt that.

I think this is a story I’ve heard from some close friends about what’s really the reality of having a mentally ill child.

It’s a quagmire of rules.

They have few choices. And that’s the reality.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM

More total bull$h!t from the sage at HA.

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”

PBHO

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

’m sure that a psychologist, even a school psychologist’s testimony, could be used to commit a disturbed person.
Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM

By law only someone who is demonstrably a harm to themselves or others can be committed against their will.

So……for me to have to watch the talkies this morning, and listen to this little cretin (Wasserman-Shultz) talking about “shock jocks” and civility and tge consequences of rhetoric is just too much to bear. It is simply beyond the pale.
David2.0 on January 9, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Was she talking about Shock Jock Ed Schultz of MSNBC? How about Tom Joyner?

Buy Danish on January 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

I personally believe the Left leap to blame the Teaparty is very telling. It is the inability to accept differences of opinions.

But, putting that aside, I do think we all, meaning liberals and conservatives, need to think about how to handle the fringe groups.

Where do their rights meet with commonsense boundaries?

I simply don’t see approving of groups that promote anti-semitism, etc.

Do you?

To me, it’s the same as pedophilia. I don’t think “anything goes.”

I’ve thought about this, and I think that the government has the right to track every single person involved in these fringe groups.

They really are dangerous. It’s a matter of public safety, not first amendment rights.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

For the record, Juan Williams spoke very eloquently this morning about what the Sheriff of Pima County and others are doing to politicize this terrible event. He cautioned about attempts to silence discourse and so forth.

Buy Danish on January 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I assume,maybe wrongly, that most people understand that this young man was dealing with a mental illness.

And that propelled his action.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Please, everyone, don’t engage this idiot!

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

What is going on here?

We have the media trying desperately to assign a political meaning to the acts of a lunatic! Why do we pay any attention? CNN is working overtime on the theme..The essence of their media bias show, ‘reliable sources’, was that this tragedy had a political cause…

HELLO! Crazy is not a political philosophy

Geeze…

JIMV on January 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM

I have friends who have dealt with children with horrible mental illness.

It’s truly heartbreaking.

These young people are so sick, but the diagnosis often comes AFTER they reach the age where the parents can control events.

My heart goes out to his parents.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

I was pleasantly surprised today by Juan Williams, he has not jumped on the ‘Palin’s fault’ bandwagon as so many on the left have, and came across as fairly reasonable. He blamed the left’s reaction to the shooting on the claim or belief that Clinton benefited politically from Oklahoma City and his subsequent attack on talk radio.

slickwillie2001 on January 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM

I was too. I would bet that Juan would have sung a different tune before the NPR firing. However, I think since he was a victim of the far left’s tactics, he sees things differently now and understands how they really work. Palin was one of the first to come to his defense, so it’s nice to see him come through for her.

TxAnn56 on January 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

TxAnn56 on January 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Juan has developed the understanding that happens every time a liberal is mugged.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Please, everyone, don’t engage this idiot!

silvernana on January 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

I honestly have to look to see who the commenter is, on each post, so I can scroll past her ramblings.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Just to remind everyone: Giffords is Jewish, and the shooter was anti-semitic.

Waiting for MSNBC to pick up that little factoid.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM

I assume,maybe wrongly, that most people understand that this young man was dealing with a mental illness.

And that propelled his action.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

It doesn’t stop the left trying to gain political points.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

I think some of you who are over-focused on the political aspects need to back off and recognize the horror.

You’re in dark territory.

The fact is that the extreme language has truly reflected a kind of angst in the country.

I don’t agree that it created a mass murderer. I think that’s about mass muderers. The FBI describes this type of event as suicide, really. I agree.

But I do think that fringe groups have been given too much oomph.

This country isn’t being taken over by Jews. It’s not really about Race. And it’s not about race.

And most of us really do look upon people who carry guns in public or love their guns as fairly weird and probably dangerous. That’s probably where most of us are at, in real life.

You gun-slingers sort of scare the rest of us. I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner. Well, that’s not entirely true. There is one character, but he was arrested for shooting a rodent on his porch.

The reality is that some of the rhetoric from the right has frightened people. And that needs to be addressed.

Promptly. If you honestly listen to people, then that’s actually not an awful criticism.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Fox is saying that he MAY have links with some fringe group, American Rennaissance, which is anti-government and anti-semitic. The speculation is that Gifford was targeted because she’s Jewish.

Also, it sounds like he’ll plead insanity.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Any relation to American Renaissance magazine? The same magazine RS McCain once wrote an article for?

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Just to remind everyone: Giffords is Jewish, and the shooter was anti-semitic.

Waiting for MSNBC to pick up that little factoid.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM

So Helen Thomas hate speech forced him to do this….

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Just to remind everyone: Giffords is Jewish, and the shooter was anti-semitic.

Waiting for MSNBC to pick up that little factoid.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Reportedly, that group denies Loughner has any connection with them.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 12:48 PM

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

piss off now, leftist.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 12:49 PM

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

You’re insinuating that HA is a jew bashing site?

You’re off your meds.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 12:49 PM

You gun-slingers sort of scare the rest of us. I don’t even know anyone in my life who is a gun owner. Well, that’s not entirely true. There is one character, but he was arrested for shooting a rodent on his porch.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

News flash: there was a concealed carrier in the crowd that contributed to taking down the shooter. If not for the law-abiding citizen with the gun, more lives might have been lost. Your irrational fear of people lawfully carrying weapons never gets any less tiresome.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

And I’d say, quit playing the political game of FINGER-POINTING fair play junk.

Just quit referring to Nazis, for gosh sakes. That would be a start.

We’re so not close to that metaphor.

So it shouldn’t be hard to dial down the rhetoric.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Did anyone see this interview between Bill Hemmer and one of the witnesses who was at the shooting? In the last minute or so, the witness almost loses it, Bill almost loses it but held it together quite well.

I lost it when watching.

Bill Hemmer interview with witness

Knucklehead on January 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Just quit referring to Nazis, for gosh sakes. That would be a start.

We’re so not close to that metaphor.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Just quit referring to lawful gun owners and carries as “gun-slingers”, for gosh sakes. That would be a start.

We’re so not close to that metaphor.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:53 PM

News flash: there was a concealed carrier in the crowd that contributed to taking down the shooter. If not for the law-abiding citizen with the gun, more lives might have been lost. Your irrational fear of people lawfully carrying weapons never gets any less tiresome.

MadisonConservative on January 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

No. That’s not the report I heard. I heard that the perp was tackled to the ground and subdued by two people. Not that I’m arguing with you about the loon’s stupidity, just suggesting that you make sure you’ve got your facts straight.

JannyMae on January 9, 2011 at 12:56 PM

AnninCA

I think we’re all tired of teaching pigs to sing.

time to quit the class, Ann.

“You gun-slingers sort of scare the rest of us.”

no, just YOU. “the rest of us” is you projecting your fears to everyone else so that you can think of yourself as normal.

get some help. your irrational fears of inanimate objects are a serious problem.

warhorse_03826 on January 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Hon, why don’t you click those ruby slippers of yours and get the h*** out of dodge. The great Oz obviously passed you over in favor of the scarecrow. Besides, don’t all of us gun ‘totin right wing fringe commenters scare you?
And since you’ve got a doctorate on fringe groups, which leftist anti-semitic hate spewing group put a bullet through Eric Cantor’s office?

TxAnn56 on January 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM

warhorse_03826 on January 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

She’s a Glockaphobe.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM

The fact is that the extreme language has truly reflected a kind of angst in the country.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM

No, the problem is you’ve bought the media hype that any language that doesn’t toe the progressive/democrat line is extreme.

The overuse of “extreme” to describe Republicans and conservatives is a classic tactic. Unfortunately … you fell for it.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM

I do think this is a kid. I raised a son. At 22, he was so darn clueless, I was still in major mom mode. I doubted he could replace his underwear, nevermind be smart about adult situations.

If your kids matured faster, fine. But I rather doubt that.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Why is this not surprising – liberals think 26 year-olds are children for health insurance purposes. I raised two sons, both graduated major colleges at 22, got jobs, and have lived on their own ever since. Something about raising them to be self-reliant and instilling self-confidence and conservative values in them.

PatMac on January 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Most schools have someone with a psychology degree on staff and while you cannot just commit someone, the school had a duty to notify the proper authorities if they felt that the student was going to harm himself or others, not just kick him off campus to cover their own butts.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

He was disrupting classes. They suspended him. They can not force him to go to see anyone. He did nothing that would warrant being put in an involuntary hold. No authorities were going to come out and arrest the kid for being mentally ill. You want to just lock people up. But there has to be some evidence that they were a threat to themselves or others first – not after the fact.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 1:07 PM

TxAnn56 on January 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM:

AnninCA is clearly from the insane state of California. Please don’t make any more negative comment about the Great State of KS, land of Oz, ruby slippers and gun totin’, Bible thumpin’, rednecks!

katablog.com on January 9, 2011 at 1:08 PM

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