Breaking: Congresswoman, five others shot in Tucson, AZ; Update: NPR reports six dead; Update: Federal judge dead; Update: Gunman identified; Update: Giffords expected to pull through; Update: Gunman may have left video manifesto; Update: “Very disturbed,” says shooter’s classmate

posted at 1:20 pm on January 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This is just awful:

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, an eyewitness reported Saturday.

Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first “Congress on Your Corner” event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting. At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

Giffords has been taken to a hospital in Tucson, but at least so far her condition is not known.  Bystanders apparently tackled the gunman after he tried to run away, and kudos to their bravery.   There is no word on who the gunman is or why he opened fire on the public event.

Prayers go out for Giffords, the other victims, and their families for a full recovery.  I’ll update as more details are known.

Update: NPR has updated its initial report to say that nine people were injured.  Still no word on Giffords’ condition.

Update II: Same link – NPR now reporting Giffords and six others have died in the attack.  Horrible.

Update (AP): An eyewitness at the scene describes the shooter to Gawker:

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

Update (Ed): Via Twitter, KOLD reports that Giffords is still in surgery.  Let’s hope she pulls through.

Update (AP): I haven’t seen the report myself, but word on Twitter is that CNN claims the gunman is 21 years old.

Update (AP): Amazingly good news: An Arizona state senator at the hospital tells Fox News that she’s responding to commands and that she was shot in the temple but the bullet exited somehow. Too early to tell on her long-term prognosis, obviously, but she’s made it through surgery.

Update (AP): Federal judge John Roll was at the event and reportedly wounded, but Fox News just broke in to say that he’s been killed. He was appointed by Bush 41.

Update (AP): The gunman has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Laughner.

Update (AP): Wonderful news on a horrible day: Reportedly, doctors are expecting Giffords to “pull through.”

Update (AP): If this is true, the “lone nut” theory is out the window:

UPDATE: Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought.

Update (AP): A surgeon at the hospital is giving a presser now; he says he’s “very optimistic” that Giffords will make it. Five victims are critical (including Giffords) and five are stable. One victim died at the hospital — a nine-year-old child.

Update (AP): Exercise caution since names can be mistaken, but I’m getting multiple tips that this YouTube channel — created by “Jared Lee Loughner” — could be the gunman’s. There are three manifesto-type clips there; the one below is called “Final Thoughts” and was posted last month. As Jon Henke said on Twitter, he sounds like an anarchist, complaining about “currency that’s not backed by gold and silver” and how “you don’t have to accept the federalist laws.”

Here’s a second clip. The guy, unsurprisingly, sounds like a crank. But what of the other suspects?

Here’s the third and last clip, mumbling about being a “mind controller.”

Update (Ed): KOLD identifies the suspect as Jared Lee Loughner, same as the YouTube channel.

A 22-year-old man is in custody in connection with the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Jared Lee Loughner is being held after Giffords was shot Saturday at an event in Tucson.

Multiple search warrants are being served in the investigation, said Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Rick Kastigar.

Not sure whether anyone can determine any sort of political inclinations from the above insanity; sounds like an anti-government, anti-religion nutcase, but even that’s giving the “conscience dreamer” too much credit for coherence.

Update (AP): Here’s a list of favorite books from Loughner’s YouTube profile. One is by Ayn Rand, a few others are even more famous:

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Update (AP): There’s one other video on Loughner’s YouTube page — not a clip that he created, but one created by someone else which he “favorited.” It’s of a flag-burning.

Update (Ed): Lots of tweets and a couple of e-mails about testimony from a young woman who claimed to know the suspect and his political leanings, but there’s not much point in pursuing that.  She claims she last saw him in 2007, so the data would be marginal at best even if there was some confirmation of it, which there isn’t.  As I tweeted earlier, assuming that the YouTube channel does belong to the suspect, it would indicate someone from neither Left nor Right but from outer space, and almost undeniably mentally ill.

Update (AP): Loughner has reportedly told police that he acted alone, which is no surprise given the tenor of the YouTube videos. Still no word on what happened to the second (and third?) suspect, though. As for Giffords, while doctors are hopeful she’ll survive, the recovery obviously won’t be easy. The bullet passed through her brain, reportedly entering through the temple and exiting through her forehead.

Update (AP): Looks like the earlier info about a second suspect was bad. From Fox News: “Police reportedly had also arrested a second suspect, however law enforcement official told Fox News they believe Loughner acted alone after a ‘preliminary search’ for a second suspect turned up no one.”

Update (AP): I suspect this story’s going to shift very quickly from an “ideological nutjob” narrative to one about an obviously ill man not getting the help he needed.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.


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This killer was a certified nut and the following quote by the local Sheriff is both irresponsible and inflammatory.

“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous,” the sheriff said.

This biased and unwarranted conclusion by a public official in a position of power and authority constitutes a threat to our freedoms much greater than the singular warped mind of this despicable murderer.

rplat on January 9, 2011 at 5:56 AM

I’m willing to give the Sheriff a bit of a pass in that he knew at least two of the victims personally and was perhaps being a little overwrought here because of it.

On the other hand, the more cynical side of me suspects that he was taking the offensive in pointing the finger elsewhere to deflect criticism of law enforcement. Based on the early reports, local police has had dealings with Loughner in the past and it’s possible that some questions will come their way about that, whether or not they covered all the bases, what was his behavior like, should they have considered some kind of psych issues at play, etc. He was known to them, that much the Sheriff admitted. What he didn’t go into is what they did or could have done about that.

This isn’t to say that I think law enforcement is to blame but in this “cauldron of political vitriol” we all simmer in, perhaps the Sheriff is concerned that some of the splash back might land on his department.

Bennett on January 9, 2011 at 6:45 AM

some people want to see the world burn, this killer was one of them.

rob verdi on January 9, 2011 at 6:48 AM

Christina Taylor Green, the 9 year old killed today, was a 9-11 baby. Born on a day of evil and died on a day of evil.

…May God have mercy on Christina and comfort her parents.
bw222 on January 9, 2011 at 12:19 AM

…now the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is promising to picket the funerals of all the deceased.

SgtSVJones on January 9, 2011 at 2:30 AM

How can anyone’s life become more cursed?

scrubjay on January 9, 2011 at 6:49 AM

I just read the Times piece, its a disgusting hit job, no more no less.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?hp

rob verdi on January 9, 2011 at 6:51 AM

Still no evidence that the shootings were politically motivate beyond the shooter’s complaints that the government was trying to control his mind and grammar. Yet, all the media is reporting that is is the result of evil republicans. They can stuff it.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 6:52 AM

BY the way breitbart is a hero, here he is on Titter holding the line.

rob verdi on January 9, 2011 at 7:05 AM

My heartfelt hopes for the recovery of Rep. Giffords, and support to her family in this awful time as they do need it for the shock of the event and its outcomes.

My condolences to the families of the deceased, all of them, from child to high office holder: they were my fellow citizens and did not deserve to die this day and their families are left bereft without them. Words cannot express this, and nothing will ever make this whole for these families again.

The killer is a man caught in the trap of his own mind, which fed him those works necessary to put him on this path. A dark mind reading of dark journeys and twisted paths and it is without question that he took a dark and twisted fantasy path to get to these ends. He was able to let slip the veneer of civilization and the civility it entails. To that end he took violence to his fellow citizens and put himself outside of the bosom of society by attacking members of it.

It does not matter the weapon used as it is the darkness inside the heart of this man that drove him to it: no law could stop him, only concerned friends and family could do so and did not do that very thing. He did not exercise the civil arms and, by breaking with our society, he became a beast with savagery the only answer available to him. No one forced him to do these things, indeed we so no one encouraging him to it nor any evidence of same (although that may still come to light to turn a heinous crime into dread conspiracy against our society, but it is not seen at present and requires proof of same to be considered). To kill with intent and capability requires not just intent, but also capability. Capability requires self-control, patience, learning about what you do and thinking seriously about why you do it.

His derangement did not take him that far, and for that we are grateful and send out best wishes to the survivors in hope of their speedy recovery as they have had an encounter with savage man and live to tell the tale. That is the lesson we see in this… not politics, not ideology, but the savages we can become if we do not anchor ourselves into our real world that is about us. Do not go down the dark and twisted path of projecting politics and ideology upon others for we have just seen that outcome. We have seen this, as a society, many times in other Nations and that never, ever comes to a good end. I can only plea for civility and civil discourse, and the use of our rights for self-defense which is the upholder of all we hold dear. Call savage actions what they are, and those that perform them as savages – they are not to be hated but pitied for being unable to understand what is required of them to be a civilian which means being civil.

This man lost touch with that requirement.

Please, I beg of you, not to do the same.

Retain civility to your dying breath, impute no motives you cannot directly prove, uphold the living, grieve the dead, help make the living and survivors whole, and realize that this is your burden in life to have a society with your fellow man. No one can do this for you. It is a heavy burden, indeed, but worth it to keep the darkness within our own hearts at bay so we do not become savages to each other. And yet the cost is minor compared to the priceless thing we lose when we let our savage selves loose. How many must die so that we understand this cost once and for all? And that no tyranny is worth the price of the loss of self-governance… as not even the worst, most tyrannical of governments can ever stop that. The answer is not in the laws outside of you but your law within you, and wishing for tyranny bespeaks of its own dark and twisted path. And we have seen the results of those.

ajacksonian on January 9, 2011 at 7:06 AM

May those who rushed to blame this horrible act of violence on right wingers, Sarah Palin, and or Tea Party members rot in hell. Every one of those b*stards should be banned from every working in the media again; at any level…

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 7:20 AM

I must say let’s get a petition moving to get Geraldo booted from Fox. If they don’t do it, they no longer deserve to be called fair and balanced.

promachus on January 9, 2011 at 3:44 AM

Rush (and others) have been saying that fox is becoming a working piece of the drive by media for some time now. Our hopes rest in the hands of bloggers and talk radio.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 7:28 AM

May the shooter get the speedy trial to which he’s entitled, followed immediately by a summary execution. Under the circumstances, I can’t see how Project Innocence would be in a position to ride to his rescue.

If there’s any time between conviction and execution, I suggest that he be introduced to Mr. Cattle Prod…daily.

BuckeyeSam on January 9, 2011 at 7:31 AM

Keemo,
they certainly added to the poison they supposedly decry.

rob verdi on January 9, 2011 at 7:32 AM

Rush (and others) have been saying that fox is becoming a working piece of the drive by media for some time now. Our hopes rest in the hands of bloggers and talk radio.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 7:28 AM

Wendell Goler on Fox & Friends just now reminding us that Giffords was threatened after her health care vote…last March. Thank you, Wendell. I see the clear logical connection. That the shooter was a crackpot and evil is entirely irrelevant.

BuckeyeSam on January 9, 2011 at 7:35 AM

on the bright side, I read the comments at the Caucus for by the Times, in general they are more humane and rational, I believe that the reality of the shooter is starting to get out there.

rob verdi on January 9, 2011 at 7:35 AM

Scroll down for a picture of the girl who was murdered.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/09/6-innocents-the-arizona-murder-victims-identified/

Heartbreaking.

BuckeyeSam on January 9, 2011 at 7:38 AM

Drug addicts can get weird ideas, but that does not mean they can’t control themselves from killing people. Sick of everyone trying to get this sicko off on insanity defense.

PrezHussein on January 9, 2011 at 7:58 AM

That poor, little, darling girl…
My heart is breaking.

OmahaConservative on January 9, 2011 at 8:13 AM

Here is a list,in their own words
===================================

Good lord,are the accusations flying fast and furious,
one once again,Palin gets crucified in the same manner
as Rush Limbaugh and the Oklahoma City Bombing,if,every
one remembers that Leftys Demonization Operation!!

And,
****

Remember this from less than two years ago,Nancy Pelosi
and her fear of Violent Rhetoric !!
======================================

Hypocrisy Alert! Nancy Pelosi on Current Political Rhetoric

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGO49pf1rI8

canopfor on January 9, 2011 at 8:15 AM

canopfor on January 9, 2011 at 8:18 AM

Jumping the shark.
DHS linking suspect to Conservative group “American Renaissance”.

Ugh.

CTSherman on January 9, 2011 at 8:23 AM

furious with that pima county sherriff…no evidence to back up that rant…so naturally the msm clings to it like glue….

crap…

cmsinaz on January 9, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Drug addicts can get weird ideas, but that does not mean they can’t control themselves from killing people. Sick of everyone trying to get this sicko off on insanity defense.
PrezHussein on January 9, 2011 at 7:58 AM

I’m sick of people who jump to conclusions or are willing to ignore the law when it suits them. If the insanity defense applies, it applies. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t.

Basilsbest on January 9, 2011 at 8:28 AM

I am not going through 26 pages of posts to see if its been already posted…..sorry, I am lazy, but I read at Gatewaypundit that the 9 yr old that this turd killed was born on 9-11-2001.

Also heard on Fox news the suspect isn’t talking……

I bet a dollar I could get him to talk.

People like this guy should forfeit all rights the second they pull the trigger………..

Once they are done with him I also support his swift execution.

RealMc on January 9, 2011 at 8:28 AM

People like this guy should forfeit all rights the second they pull the trigger…

The vigilante holds forth. Tragic events like this cause some people to show their real colors.

Basilsbest on January 9, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Seven Percent Solution on January 8, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I stole your comment for my blog. Attributed to you.

http://www.chrisofrights.com/2011/01/are-beatles-responsible-for-manson.html

Chris of Rights on January 9, 2011 at 8:32 AM

People like this guy should forfeit all rights the second they pull the trigger………..

RealMc on January 9, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Why exactly should the constitution be thrown out in brutal gun crimes? The constitution isn’t just out to protect people you agree with.

jonknee on January 9, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Sheriff Dupnik has been described as a hard democrat who was against the AZ immigration law. He’s been the Tucson sheriff for 28 years. Too bad he decided to use a press conf about the killing of 6 people to rant about the right. They must politicize everything even this.

Kissmygrits on January 9, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Chris of Rights on January 9, 2011 at 8:32 AM

cool. Great rundown and thx for quoting 7%.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 8:47 AM

Sheriff Dupnik has been described as a hard democrat who was against the AZ immigration law. He’s been the Tucson sheriff for 28 years. Too bad he decided to use a press conf about the killing of 6 people to rant about the right. They must politicize everything even this.

Kissmygrits on January 9, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Yes, and may they rot in hell for this behavior.

http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2011/01/figures-man-who-shot-az-congresswoman.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/jan/8/liberals-blast-palin-and-rhetoric-following-az-sho/

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 8:47 AM

I would rather relax today, but there can be NO REST. I urge all activists to scan local and national sites an fight back against this horrible smear. The MSM shamed itself with its emotional biased response against the Tea Party. Push back… HARD.

swamp_yankee on January 9, 2011 at 8:48 AM

MSNBC just had Caitie Parker, the high school friend of Loughner who made the Twitter comments about him, on the air for a brief interview. Alex Witt allowed Parker to characterize Loughner as “leftwing, quite liberal” without putting up any kind of fight.

I guess this means the narrative has officially shifted to “Loughner may have been a leftwing whackjob, but Sarah Palin and the Tea Party created the environment that prompted him to act on his insane impulses.”

steebo77 on January 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Alex Witt allowed Parker to characterize Loughner as “leftwing, quite liberal” without putting up any kind of fight.

thx. steeb.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM

swamp_yankee on January 9, 2011 at 8:48 AM

Yeah, this is pretty blatant. If they’re really out there secretly hoping that Palin will win the nomination, why do they try so hard to pin every evil of our country on her. Beck too. But I agree, the dust has settled and for the most part this site was restrained. Now it’s time to defend ourselves. The Democrats used the same symbology and used worse rhetoric actually insinuating violence during the campaign. It’s obvious the media is trying to use this tragedy to further stifle the Conservative movement.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 8:57 AM

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl.

Are we to blame Obama for all of the acts of violence taking place within our borders since making this stupid statement. Of coarse not.. It’s just a stupid statement.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 8:57 AM

I don’t get the math on this. The kid is a leftwing liberal, and his fellow cohort of leftwing liberals blame others for a heinous act that one of their own did. The left needs to own this guy and also the guy that shot up the Discovery Channel building over sharks or whales, or something…

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 8:58 AM

The left needs to own this guy and also the guy that shot up the Discovery Channel building over sharks or whales, or something…

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 8:58 AM

The left is inherently violent and they know it … that’s why they try so desperately to always pin acts of violence on the right. It always seems it’s a liberal when the dust settles.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 9:07 AM

It’s obvious the media is trying to use this tragedy to further stifle the Conservative movement.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 8:57 AM

yep…pretty furious about that pima county sherriff

cmsinaz on January 9, 2011 at 9:07 AM

will we hear fairness doctrine soon?

cmsinaz on January 9, 2011 at 9:07 AM

This sh*t gets worse & worse………now the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is promising to picket the funerals of all the deceased.

SgtSVJones on January 9, 2011 at 2:30 AM

Nothing a few axe handles couldn’t fix.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 9:08 AM

I don’t get the math on this. The kid is a leftwing liberal, and his fellow cohort of leftwing liberals blame others for a heinous act that one of their own did. The left needs to own this guy and also the guy that shot up the Discovery Channel building over sharks or whales, or something…

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 8:58 AM

It’s alinsky tactics , blame first to smear. Then when facts show up demand no one should talk about it and everyone should calm down.

The Tea Party was blamed for the failed NYC bombing.

But when it was proven he was a muslim , no one should judge.

The fort hood massacre were also smeared as a right wing plot until it were proven to be a muslim , again , no one were supposed to talk about it then.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 9:12 AM

The left is inherently violent and they know it … that’s why they try so desperately to always pin acts of violence on the right. It always seems it’s a liberal when the dust settles.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 9:07 AM

maybe that’s why they want to control guns so much..? ‘Cuz, a gun in the hands of a liberal is obviously trouble, most hate them anyway—and it’s just an added bonus that conservatives desire to keep them (and controlling them would just pi$$ them off even more).

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:14 AM

But when it was proven he was a muslim , no one should judge.

The fort hood massacre were also smeared as a right wing plot until it were proven to be a muslim , again , no one were supposed to talk about it then.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 9:12 AM

yeah really. Blame the right first, but, when shown to be a leftist, or a Muslim terrorist then retreat to “No Labels.”

weak sauce, indeed.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:15 AM

yeah really. Blame the right first, but, when shown to be a leftist, or a Muslim terrorist then retreat to “No Labels.”

weak sauce, indeed.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:15 AM

It’s a very calculated method from the left.

It’s bad when the right cant see that and counter it.

the_nile on January 9, 2011 at 9:18 AM

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun….” – Barack Obama

J_Crater on January 9, 2011 at 9:21 AM

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun….” – Barack Obama

J_Crater on January 9, 2011 at 9:21 AM

promise.

kept??

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:22 AM

If the shooter was able to take out all of those people, and was trying to kill her and her alone, why didn’t he succeed? Could he have been after the Judge as well?

Del Dolemonte on January 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM

I’ve been wondering about that. Is there reason to believe he was after the Congresswoman? Or was that just an assumption made by the media? Could he have been after the judge instead?

Deanna on January 9, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Great post J Crater…

in whole

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

CWforFreedom on January 9, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Could he have been after the judge instead?

Deanna on January 9, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Was the judge even scheduled to be there?

I thought they were saying he just happened to be in the area and just showed up.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 9:25 AM

Deanna -possible but one report said the judge came from Mass to say hello as if it wasn’t planned. Dunno for sure.

CWforFreedom on January 9, 2011 at 9:25 AM

If the shooter was able to take out all of those people, and was trying to kill her and her alone, why didn’t he succeed? Could he have been after the Judge as well?

Del Dolemonte on January 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM

no matter his primary intent, this kid killed 6 and wounded what ? a dozen ? before being taken down. That’s a lot of people and probably harder than one might think with a handgun.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:26 AM

From Tapper:

Hospital: @Rep_Giffords remains in Critical Condition, sedated in ICU. Reports she was awake and recognized her husband are not true.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Fox is saying that he MAY have links with some fringe group, American Rennaissance, which is anti-government and anti-semitic. The speculation is that Gifford was targeted because she’s Jewish.

Also, it sounds like he’ll plead insanity.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM

So what does that say of Nadall Hassan who CLEARLY yelled ..”Allah Ahkbar” as he shot people in the back, unarmed, etc.

The smart thing to do would to start bringing up his incident with this one. We know nothing of this guy and everyone was so willing paint a Tea party logo on him but we know everything on Nadal and they REFUSE to ever place him in a Mosque.

The Left needed something like this so they could “tack blame” but I don’t think it’s going to stick….because Net Neutrallity is still dead.

People should be required to watch “V for Vendetta” to see how the Govt uses events and media to round them up.

will sass u on January 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Apparently, the shooter was known to local authorities as violent and ill. He was expelled from the local college and wasn’t allowed to enroll unless there was professional evaluation that he was not a danger to himself or others.

And then he bought the gun.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Fox is saying that he MAY have links with some fringe group, American Rennaissance, which is anti-government and anti-semitic. The speculation is that Gifford was targeted because she’s Jewish.

Also, it sounds like he’ll plead insanity.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM

The Tea Party is NOT anti-government. Since the Tea Party is PRO Constitution, and the Constitution frames the GOVT, then this is a fallacious and spurious connection.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM

The speculation is that Gifford was targeted because she’s Jewish.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM

No doubt he’ll have supporters from the radical Islamist community. The ACLU will undoubtedly rush to his aid.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM

And then he bought the gun.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Oh here we go.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM

scrubjay on January 9, 2011 at 9:39 AM

That is good news. I also understand she’s now in a medically induced coma.

darwin on January 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM

no matter his primary intent, this kid killed 6 and wounded what ? a dozen ? before being taken down. That’s a lot of people and probably harder than one might think with a handgun.

ted c on January 9, 2011 at 9:26 AM

It is extremely difficult to kill that many people. I have heard police officers talk about a similar close range shooting. From what I read about this incident, he walked up to Giffords and shot her and then fired blindly in the crowd. However, because the way it was set up, people were wedged into a small area between pillars and could not flee. That plus horrible luck led to so many deaths. And I note that except for the child, all the fatalities were elderly.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Looks like we had a good showing on this Chicago News site that is linking the shooting to Palin and the Tea Party, after I posted the link last night here. Author did add a question mark late, but is still pushing the lies. I’m trying to keep up the pressure on him with a nice post this morning. Here is the link to the whole left wing fantasy, for those interested.

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2011/01/az-shooter-jared-lee-loughner-charged.html

shanimal on January 9, 2011 at 9:42 AM

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun….” – Barack Obama

J_Crater on January 9, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Yep. And this shooter listened to Obama. This woman voted against Pelosi and he brought a gun to her event. He was a flag burner.

This is an unspeakable tragedy. Libs and Marxists will use unspeakable tragedies for their own twisted political purposes. Obama tells people to bring a gun against their opponents. He tells his followers to get in their neighbor’s faces all while his followers and he himself point fingers at the “inflammatory rhetoric” of the TEA Party, talk radio and blogs.

This is horrible. Do want to know the truth, I bet if you looked into this you would find it was lib policies that kept this guy out of the mental hospital. I have 16 or more years of social service experience. Nearly 8 years of that I have been a mental health caseworker working across 4 counties. I quit because I was disgusted with the system. Liberal polices have pushed the mentally ill from the hospitals into our communities. I have commented on this before!
You would be surprised at the kinds of people that are now living down the street from you that 20 years ago would have been living safely in a mental hospital. The caseworker’s job is to keep these people in the communities. If they go back to the hospital even for a short time it is considered a failure.
I would not be surprised if this guy had a caseworker. Laws can vary from state to state, but I wouldn’t be surprised. If he didn’t have one, that would be because he had “the right” to decline even though he was clearly a kook!

JellyToast on January 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM

scrubjay on January 9, 2011 at 9:39 AM

It’s not true. They would not wake her up post surgery. She’s in a barbituate coma in order to reduce brain activity and allow her brain to heal.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Plus, post surgery, she’s intubated. She would not be able to speak because of that and the fact that she is in a drug induced coma.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

And then he bought the gun.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

The wounded are lucky he didn’t decide to use a 5400 pound 1974 Cadillac to run them down.

You madam, are a colossal ignorant fool.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 9:47 AM

The mother of the 9yr old is about to be on Foxnews.

RealMc on January 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM

I’ll link this again: http://goo.gl/s6DjF

On his YouTube page, a list of his favorite books included both “Mein Kampf” and the “Communist Manifesto,” along with works by George Orwell, Ray Bradbury, Ken Kesey, Herman Hesse, Ernest Hemingway, Plato and Aesop’s Fables. But while the writer complained frequently about poor grammar and illiteracy, he wrote on MySpace on December 26 that he wouldn’t correct his own errors. “I think the CIA watches my-space,” he added.

Loughner dropped out of high school in 2006, after his junior year, said Tamara Crawley, a spokeswoman for the Marana United School District in suburban Tucson. Court records indicate he had been arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007, but the charge was dismissed.
In 2008, he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army. The Army rejected him, and privacy laws keep the military from disclosing the reason, the service said in a statement to CNN.

He also enrolled at Aztec Middle College, a partnership between Tucson schools and Pima Community College that helps high school dropouts transition to community colleges, PCC President Sylvia Lee told CNN. He took classes at the college from 2005 until October 2010, when withdrew after five contacts with police “for classroom and library disruptions” at two campuses between February and September, the school said in a statement issued Saturday night.

Loughner was suspended after authorities found a YouTube video in which he called the school “illegal according to the U.S. Constitution, and makes other claims,” the PCC statement said. He quit during an October 4 meeting with his parents and school administrators, and a follow-up letter warned that to return, he had to present a doctor’s note stating that “his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM

The wounded are lucky he didn’t decide to use a 5400 pound 1974 Cadillac to run them down.

You madam, are a colossal ignorant fool.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Or a rental truck a la “mcvey”.

RealMc on January 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Someone should have had this boy committed to a mental facility a long time ago.

Has he any family?

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 9:54 AM

And then he bought the gun.

AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Brain dead crap there… True story; an elderly woman living alone in Montana (my home state) shot and killed two intruders after they broke into her home and refused to get out. Turns out both of these men were wanted for murder in connection to a prior home invasion in another state. This woman would likely have been murdered by these two men, but had what it takes to use her gun to protect herself. Most everyone in my state owns a gun, and the crime rate just happens to be hovering around zero.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I hope everyone posting on Hot Air who doesn’t see this shooting as “politically motivated” will be just as rational and objective when a Republican is shot by a deranged person the next time.

Somehow, I don’t think so, and they’ll be writing line upon line about how “this is different because…”

Personally, I can’t stand how the far left and far right behave after incidences like this. There’s no objectivity. Here, the far right says it has nothing to do with politics, and the far left says it has everything to do with politics, the Tea Party is evil, etc.

However, if a Republican is shot instead, the “talking points” immediately flip, entirely due to ideology.

asc85 on January 9, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Republicans better be prepared for the onslaught against them.
The inflammatory rhetoric comes from the left, not the right.
From people like Bill Ayers to Obama himself. Even now, the mainstream media is spewing their hatred at whole groups of Americans! They are spewing their hatred at Sarah Palin and Rush! They are attempting to inflame and provoke hate at “groups” of Americans! We cannot just allow them to succeed!
Every freaking time some pinhead mainstream media type or some arrogant Democrat points a finger of blame at talk radio or blogs, we need to remind them about the rhetoric coming from the left!

JellyToast on January 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM

However, if a Republican is shot instead, the “talking points” immediately flip, entirely due to ideology.

asc85 on January 9, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Please provide an example.

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM

Apparently, the shooter was known to local authorities as violent and ill. He was expelled from the local college and wasn’t allowed to enroll unless there was professional evaluation that he was not a danger to himself or others.

And then he bought the gun.

[AnninCA on January 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM]

I haven’t seen anything about the gun he had. Where did you read that?

Dusty on January 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Yeah, it’s not as easy as one would think even in war. I’ve had to tell young door gunners to keep the pressure on a target when their humanity kicks in and they seem to let up. How anyone can just walk up on a street in America and just start shooting with seemingly no remorse is beyond me. I’m not sure if I think he’s crazy or just evil.

And Ann, gun control will never stop a person like this from doing harm to others once they get it in their mind. A Muslim man here in NC used a car. Do you think we should outlaw them too, or wait until we outlaw knifes first?

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Somebody needs to ask Obama if he will continue to encourage his supporters to bring a gun!

I am serious about this. Had some Republican said something so inflammatory they would be crucified right now! They would be resigning from congress yesterday!

“Hey Mr President! Do you stand by some of the comments you’ve mad in the past like, telling your supporters to argue and get in the faces of their neighbors, bringing a gun and doing hand to hand combat with Republicans!?”

JellyToast on January 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM

The BS continues…

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who represents a district adjacent to Gabrielle Giffords’s, said that Saturday’s shooting is a consequence of the vitriolic rhetoric that has arisen over the past few years among extreme elements of the Tea Party.

“The climate has gotten so toxic in our political discourse, setting up for this kind of reaction for too long. It’s unfortunate to say that. I hate to say that,” Grijalva said in an interview with The Huffington Post. “If you’re an opponent, you’re a deadly enemy,” Grijalva said of the mindset among Arizona extremists. “Anybody who contributed to feeding this monster had better step back and realize they’re threatening our form of government.”

Grijalva said that Tea Party leader Sarah Palin should reflect on the rhetoric that she has employed. “She — as I mentioned, people contributing to this toxic climate — Ms. Palin needs to look at her own behavior, and if she wants to help the public discourse, the best thing she could do is to keep quiet.”

Grijalva said that his family has been provided with protection and that he expects further precautions will be taken by Capitol Police when he returns to Capitol Hill.

“Her whole future’s ahead of her,” Grijalva said of Giffords. “She’s a moderate; I’m not. She’s my friend. Our difference of opinion did not interfere with our friendship.”

“This is a very sad day for the nation.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/grijalva-palin-needs-to-l_n_806283.html

toliver on January 9, 2011 at 10:03 AM

toliver on January 9, 2011 at 10:03 AM

That guy is a complete assh@le.

BallisticBob on January 9, 2011 at 10:05 AM

toliver on January 9, 2011 at 10:03 AM

That man should be forced to resign immediately. The people should protest at his office every day until the man quits. Enough of this horrible behavior from anybody, let alone a representative of the people.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Someone should have had this boy committed to a mental facility a long time ago.

Has he any family?

Disturb the Universe on January 9, 2011 at 9:54 AM

When I read the quote posted by Blake above that was what I was thinking. The tragedy seems that both the college and his parents had to be at least aware of the situation based on his suspension from school and the meeting he had (where the school basically said he was a danger to himself and others). Why he wasn’t evaluated and placed in some sort of treatment facility. He clearly has paranoid schizophrenia.

Deanna -possible but one report said the judge came from Mass to say hello as if it wasn’t planned. Dunno for sure.

CWforFreedom on January 9, 2011 at 9:25 AM

It would be odd for the judge to be at an event as a scheduled guest because federal judges should maintain impartiality. He’s also not listed on her site as being there. It’s seems like a horrible wrong place, wrong time sort of thing, which makes it even sadder.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 10:08 AM

However, if a Republican is shot instead, the “talking points” immediately flip, entirely due to ideology.

asc85 on January 9, 2011 at 9:55 AM

To connect with reality, spend more time looking at the actual case that occurred and less imagining one that didn’t.

DarkCurrent on January 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Or a rental truck a la “mcvey”.

RealMc on January 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM

That is a better point. He could rent one of those for about $100 rather than buy a car for $500.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who represents a district adjacent to Gabrielle Giffords’s, said that Saturday’s shooting is a consequence of the vitriolic rhetoric that has arisen over the past few years among extreme elements of the Tea Party.

These people are responding exactly like Lord Dartmouth did after the Boston Tea Party.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Yeah, it’s not as easy as one would think even in war. I’ve had to tell young door gunners to keep the pressure on a target when their humanity kicks in and they seem to let up. How anyone can just walk up on a street in America and just start shooting with seemingly no remorse is beyond me. I’m not sure if I think he’s crazy or just evil.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

A few years back, a car load of gangbangers exited the freeway to use a phone at a gas station. A rival gangbanger walked up and shot dead the guy on the phone and the four sitting in the car. The police I spoke to were shocked. Worse, the shooter was only 14 years old.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM

I don’t think the school knew whether he was a danger to himself or others. They kicked him out because he was disruptive and obviously mentally ill. They wanted him to see a doctor to cover their butts. And I’m sure they were concerned about him, too. He might have seen a doctor who determined that he was not a threat to others or himself and prescribed meds. We just don’t know yet.

So, are his parents in hiding? If they went to a meeting with the school a couple of months ago, it seems as if they are involved in his life. I would think that the press would have tracked them down and hounded them already.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:22 AM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

Yep, and journalist aren’t the only Liberals engaging in such despicable behavior… These people are not deserving of our attention. They are truly despicable humans.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Sounds like a story from The States. I thought at one time you were in England.

But yeah, the mind that can do this is a puzzle. I remember growing up with my older relatives serving in Viet Nam. The stories of urban violence by the insurgents and Viet Cong and the beheadings and body mutilations sound like the damn Southern Border now. It’s almost as violent as anyplace I’ve deployed to.

hawkdriver on January 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I hope everyone posting on Hot Air who doesn’t see this shooting as “politically motivated” will be just as rational and objective when a Republican is shot by a deranged person the next time.

asc85 on January 9, 2011 at 9:55 AM

This woman is a blue dog democrat. As much republican as democrat on many issues. How does that square with your assertion?

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 10:30 AM

However, if a Republican is shot instead, the “talking points” immediately flip, entirely due to ideology.

asc85 on January 9, 2011 at 9:55 AM

First of all, I don’t think that the first thought in Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh’s minds would be how to smear their opponents after a mass shooting. But for some reason this seems to be the main thing that some prominent liberals, like Sheriff McDouchey in Pima County, are concerned about. Secondly, I think that everyone on the right would call a spade a spade. If a nutty schizophrenic decided to shoot up the event of a Congressperson with an (R) behind their name, then they would acknowledge it. If it was a leftwing nut with an agenda, then they would obviously demand the left disavow the nut; just like conservatives would do if this guy turned out to be some rightwing nut.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM

thanks for the linky….perfectly shows the double standard in the media…

sickening

cmsinaz on January 9, 2011 at 10:32 AM

This murdrerer was NOT influenced by Sarah Palin – if he was he would have said so in his manifesto on YouTube for what he thought was posterity’s sake.

Grow up Lefties.

Branch Rickey on January 9, 2011 at 10:33 AM

I don’t think the school knew whether he was a danger to himself or others. They kicked him out because he was disruptive and obviously mentally ill. They wanted him to see a doctor to cover their butts. And I’m sure they were concerned about him, too. He might have seen a doctor who determined that he was not a threat to others or himself and prescribed meds. We just don’t know yet.

So, are his parents in hiding? If they went to a meeting with the school a couple of months ago, it seems as if they are involved in his life. I would think that the press would have tracked them down and hounded them already.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Both the school and the parents are to blame. The school should have notified someone about this kid rather than cover their butts.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Grow up Lefties.

Branch Rickey on January 9, 2011 at 10:33 AM

At this point I’m not certain immaturity is driving their behaviour.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Both the school and the parents are to blame. The school should have notified someone about this kid rather than cover their butts.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Much more to this story as things unfold. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that several agencies were alerted to this man’s behavior and were caught up in too much red tape (political correctness) to do much about it.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Why he wasn’t evaluated and placed in some sort of treatment facility. He clearly has paranoid schizophrenia.

Obviously I know no details, but in general you cannot put someone in a facility AGAINST THEIR WILL unless they threaten to commit suicide or homicide

humdinger on January 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Andrew Breitbart is in the middle of the most disgusting twitter war…I cannot believe how hate filled and violent the left in this country has become.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Both the school and the parents are to blame. The school should have notified someone about this kid rather than cover their butts.

Illinidiva on January 9, 2011 at 10:35 AM

They notified the parents. You can’t institutionalize the kid because he was disruptive in class. Shouting in class is not evidence that you are a danger to others.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Breitbart’s Twitter:

GregWfatwad I hope the teabaggers are happy
about 13 hours ago via Echofon
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@OversightOfGovt Guy is fucking drug-addicted lunatic nihilist who I promise is not attending TeaParties demanding rebirth of Constitution.
about 1 hour ago via web from Brentwood, Los Angeles in reply to OversightOfGovt
SandraRose RT @AndrewBreitbart I am in state of shock, tears, I am demoralized, stunned… <~~ #dramaqueen
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rudeforms @AndrewBreitbart re: @markos "You will not like the blowback"? What the fuck are you going to do? Shoot him?
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ARS4868 @markos @andrewbreitbart why should markos not go there?
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ta529640 @AndrewBreitbart. What kind of blowback are you talking about? Are you going to have someone shoot Markos, as well?
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the left is truly mentally deranged. ALL OF THEM. Ok only many of them.

CWforFreedom on January 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Andrew Breitbart is in the middle of the most disgusting twitter war…I cannot believe how hate filled and violent the left in this country has become.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Oh, it’s real for sure. Just wait and see what happens when the union pensions can’t be paid for… Really rough and tough (dangerous) times are ahead before things settle down. The bottom floor of this elevator ride is coming soon.

Keemo on January 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM

They also suspended him and notified campus police that he could not come back on campus. They did everything they could do.

Blake on January 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM

I cannot believe how hate filled and violent the left in this country has become.

Inanemergencydial on January 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Why? It has ALWAYS been the left that resort to violence. Always has been, always will be. That is how we know someone is a lefty. They become violent.

csdeven on January 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

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