Breaking: Congresswoman, five others shot in Tucson, AZ; Update: NPR reports six dead; Update: Federal judge dead; Update: Gunman identified; Update: Giffords expected to pull through; Update: Gunman may have left video manifesto; Update: “Very disturbed,” says shooter’s classmate

posted at 1:20 pm on January 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This is just awful:

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, an eyewitness reported Saturday.

Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first “Congress on Your Corner” event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting. At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

Giffords has been taken to a hospital in Tucson, but at least so far her condition is not known.  Bystanders apparently tackled the gunman after he tried to run away, and kudos to their bravery.   There is no word on who the gunman is or why he opened fire on the public event.

Prayers go out for Giffords, the other victims, and their families for a full recovery.  I’ll update as more details are known.

Update: NPR has updated its initial report to say that nine people were injured.  Still no word on Giffords’ condition.

Update II: Same link – NPR now reporting Giffords and six others have died in the attack.  Horrible.

Update (AP): An eyewitness at the scene describes the shooter to Gawker:

The gunman was young, mid-to-late 20s, white, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down, although he struggled at first. He didn’t look like a businessman, but more of a “fringe character,” Rayle said. The sheriff’s department arrived, arrested the gunman and cordoned off the parking lot.

Update (Ed): Via Twitter, KOLD reports that Giffords is still in surgery.  Let’s hope she pulls through.

Update (AP): I haven’t seen the report myself, but word on Twitter is that CNN claims the gunman is 21 years old.

Update (AP): Amazingly good news: An Arizona state senator at the hospital tells Fox News that she’s responding to commands and that she was shot in the temple but the bullet exited somehow. Too early to tell on her long-term prognosis, obviously, but she’s made it through surgery.

Update (AP): Federal judge John Roll was at the event and reportedly wounded, but Fox News just broke in to say that he’s been killed. He was appointed by Bush 41.

Update (AP): The gunman has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Laughner.

Update (AP): Wonderful news on a horrible day: Reportedly, doctors are expecting Giffords to “pull through.”

Update (AP): If this is true, the “lone nut” theory is out the window:

UPDATE: Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought.

Update (AP): A surgeon at the hospital is giving a presser now; he says he’s “very optimistic” that Giffords will make it. Five victims are critical (including Giffords) and five are stable. One victim died at the hospital — a nine-year-old child.

Update (AP): Exercise caution since names can be mistaken, but I’m getting multiple tips that this YouTube channel — created by “Jared Lee Loughner” — could be the gunman’s. There are three manifesto-type clips there; the one below is called “Final Thoughts” and was posted last month. As Jon Henke said on Twitter, he sounds like an anarchist, complaining about “currency that’s not backed by gold and silver” and how “you don’t have to accept the federalist laws.”

Here’s a second clip. The guy, unsurprisingly, sounds like a crank. But what of the other suspects?

Here’s the third and last clip, mumbling about being a “mind controller.”

Update (Ed): KOLD identifies the suspect as Jared Lee Loughner, same as the YouTube channel.

A 22-year-old man is in custody in connection with the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Jared Lee Loughner is being held after Giffords was shot Saturday at an event in Tucson.

Multiple search warrants are being served in the investigation, said Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Rick Kastigar.

Not sure whether anyone can determine any sort of political inclinations from the above insanity; sounds like an anti-government, anti-religion nutcase, but even that’s giving the “conscience dreamer” too much credit for coherence.

Update (AP): Here’s a list of favorite books from Loughner’s YouTube profile. One is by Ayn Rand, a few others are even more famous:

I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

Update (AP): There’s one other video on Loughner’s YouTube page — not a clip that he created, but one created by someone else which he “favorited.” It’s of a flag-burning.

Update (Ed): Lots of tweets and a couple of e-mails about testimony from a young woman who claimed to know the suspect and his political leanings, but there’s not much point in pursuing that.  She claims she last saw him in 2007, so the data would be marginal at best even if there was some confirmation of it, which there isn’t.  As I tweeted earlier, assuming that the YouTube channel does belong to the suspect, it would indicate someone from neither Left nor Right but from outer space, and almost undeniably mentally ill.

Update (AP): Loughner has reportedly told police that he acted alone, which is no surprise given the tenor of the YouTube videos. Still no word on what happened to the second (and third?) suspect, though. As for Giffords, while doctors are hopeful she’ll survive, the recovery obviously won’t be easy. The bullet passed through her brain, reportedly entering through the temple and exiting through her forehead.

Update (AP): Looks like the earlier info about a second suspect was bad. From Fox News: “Police reportedly had also arrested a second suspect, however law enforcement official told Fox News they believe Loughner acted alone after a ‘preliminary search’ for a second suspect turned up no one.”

Update (AP): I suspect this story’s going to shift very quickly from an “ideological nutjob” narrative to one about an obviously ill man not getting the help he needed.

A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.


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FNC speaking with an eyewitness… nothing much new, really

pambi on January 8, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Some of these comments make me ashamed to be affiliated with this site.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Then by all means – go. We won’t stop you.

Blake on January 8, 2011 at 1:51 PM

BTW, NPR is removing inappropriate comments like crazy .. gee, wonder why ??

pambi on January 8, 2011 at 1:51 PM

The comments on NPR are despicable. What is wrong with the left. They are blaming Fox News and the Tea Party

ColumbusConservative on January 8, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Sick bastages. Firing on unarmed people. Hope this guy gets to be someone’s girlfriend in prison. And by “someone,” I mean at least five at a time.

john1schn on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Why haven’t they named the suspect?

The Mega Independent on January 8, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Well, if said shooter has no I.D., it’s gonna be a little tought to name them.

BallisticBob on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Blake on January 8, 2011 at 1:50 PM

It could well be that the monster who committed this horrible act is someone whom it would be politically damaging to readily identify.

kingsjester on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Remotely close? You’ll be eating crow — and lots of it — if the shooter does turn out to be an illegal.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Right now, who gives a shit? A Member of Congress was shot in the head, and the blame is all you care about?

Heartless.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

GGMac on January 8, 2011 at 1:46 PM

My Springfield 45 XD semiautomatic pistol has a 13 round capacity (12 + 1) so in a good sized crowd the gunman could have done this with a single clip in a similar pistol.

chemman on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Have you even seen the comments @ NPR ??
Oh, yeah, they’re soooo bad, they’re being removed !
sheesh

pambi on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

How long would it take them to release info on the suspect??

Emily M. on January 8, 2011 at 1:53 PM

MSNBC Part II: most likely… “single-issue individual”… “trying to make a statement [with] a challenged mind”…

No mention of the possibility of a Mexican national.

NOTE: I’m not purposely avoiding the tragedy. This is horrible. I’m just trying to keep tabs on how some are covering this. Prayers for her and the others injured…

mankai on January 8, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Right now, who gives a shit? A Member of Congress was shot in the head, and the blame is all you care about?

Heartless.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I’m conservative. You’re not the first blowhard to call me that by a longshot.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:53 PM

bad day but the left who are are immediately exploiting this are sick. I just read the comments at cnn, zero info and running with it. Personally I don’t think there is any political impact to this horrid crime and people should take a step back, say a prayer, and wait for information.

rob verdi on January 8, 2011 at 1:53 PM

From glimpses I have seen it might be that the Congresswoman wasnt the target but simply a victim like several others of a deranged Shooter.

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Some of these comments make me ashamed to be affiliated with this site.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Really, please go. Go on over to The Blaze….no wait for a sign-up period to get on. They need someone other than the SnowLeopard joker posting there.

jfshaughnessy on January 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM

If it was a political assassination, the MSM is going to have a field day. :( I weep for my republic.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:45 PM

If it was spearheaded by a drug-cartel, it was still a political assassination, IMHO. That is why it’s best to wait and see what has actually happened.

PS – I hear she is in a trauma unit. So, she may have a chance at pulling through. I was praying for one of those miracles where somehow the shot misses vital organs or somehow manages to not do much damage.

Yes, gryph, this could be real bad stuff.

alexwest on January 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM

My best guess is that the suspect is a Mexican national who, if he has identifying documents at all, is carrying fraudulent I.D.

I really, really doubt this… it pains me to say this, but it’s more likely a republican than an illegal… but I’d love to be proven wrong…

ninjapirate on January 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Oh no how awful.

Prayers to all who are injured and their families.

If this is an illegal – I hope finally something will be done to stop this from happening to anybody else.

gophergirl on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Heartless.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I’m conservative. You’re not the first to call me that, and you won’t be the last.

*NEXT*

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Someone at dailykos posted this:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1294/aakelly048c.png

I really hope that is fake.

pedestrian on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Fox has 12 people shot

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

I don’t think a cartel would target a US politician on US soil. It would do nothing but make it far more difficult for them to operate.

Mark1971 on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

“It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” – Sherlock Holmes

tbrosz on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

She is pro-life and a gun’s rights activist. Married to a former Navy officer and shuttle pilot.

carbon_footprint on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Scanning Twitterverse…Huffpo already blaming: Sarah Palin?

Caper29 on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Politicizing before the body is even cold is just wrong.

Prayers for the families of all the victims. May God’s peace and grace cover them in this horrible time of loss.

MikeknaJ on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

If this is an illegal – I hope finally something will be done to stop this from happening to anybody else.

gophergirl on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

If it is, it’s just too damn bad it had to be a Congressperson. After all the kidnappings, rapes, murders, and the long stretches of private land that looks like landfills…

Okay. Gotta put the ole self-censor on. I am getting way ahead of things here.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Wow. They had three helicopters evacuate the victims. How odd.

Blake on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Look to your own side of the blogosphere, hypocrite.

My deepest sympathy to the victims and their families.

ElectricPhase on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

I really, really doubt this… it pains me to say this, but it’s more likely a republican than an illegal… but I’d love to be proven wrong…

ninjapirate on January 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM

It’s not a “republican.” Maybe a hardcore libertarian.

Emily M. on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

MSNBC III… noting that she was a strong proponent of stem-cell research, solar energy and raising the minimum wage. The immigration issue has been raised, but not with specifics.

mankai on January 8, 2011 at 1:57 PM

chemman, 1:52 PM

Yes – agree it must have been something like that. Had to have been a handgun to have not been noticed by anyone.

GGMac on January 8, 2011 at 1:57 PM

This is not good. Frankly, I am horrified by the lack of security employed by our lawmakers in the name of being more accessible to the people.

I don’t care about the WHY, but the fact that the shooter apparently did the action in cold blood against the innocent. If people die from his actions, he should be placed in the front of the line for immediate execution.

Symmetrical justice is definitely appropriate here.

itzWicks on January 8, 2011 at 1:58 PM

My Springfield 45 XD semiautomatic pistol has a 13 round capacity (12 + 1) so in a good sized crowd the gunman could have done this with a single clip in a similar pistol.

chemman on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

To drop 12 people with 13 rounds is some damn good shooting.

BallisticBob on January 8, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Not your typical democrat, this lady – she’s pro-life.

GGMac on January 8, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Terrible news. I saw her being interviewed yesterday on Fox News over the debt ceiling limit. It was the first I’d ever heard of her. Prayers for her, and others who have been shot.

Those of you who are saying Drudge says she is deceased must be reading a different website than I am. Let’s pray you are wrong.

Buy Danish on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Prayers go out for all of these people involved. Why does this even have to happen? I don’t care whether the person/people are dems/reps/indes or whatever. No one deserves this to happen. They have families for cryin out loud! What’s going to happen to those who are left behind? THAT’S what I think about.

sicoit on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Finally getting live local feed here

http://www.kvoa.com/player/?live_stream_id=1&categories=35

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Horrible tragedy. My prayers are with her, her husband, and her family.

ColtsFan on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Remotely close? You’ll be eating crow — and lots of it — if the shooter does turn out to be an illegal.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Just my opinion, but quite a bit on this thread is just way over the top for a public official having just been shot. I’d have to agree with some of the others here who were asking for some restraint in comment.

It doesn’t sound good, but prayers for all of them that were injured.

hawkdriver on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

She is pro-life and a gun’s rights activist. Married to a former Navy officer and shuttle pilot.

carbon_footprint on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Not pro-life. NARAL donated $5,000 to her campaign in October.

steebo77 on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Fox has 12 people shot

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

MSM Headline: “Fox Shoots 12 People”

The Mega Independent on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Wow. They had three helicopters evacuate the victims. How odd.
Blake on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Why?

Buy Danish on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

but it’s more likely a republican than an illegal… but I’d love to be proven wrong…

ninjapirate on January 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM

What type of factual track record leads you to this conclusion.

chemman on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Suspect is described as late teen early twenties by eye witnesses.

iceman1960 on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

It could well be that the monster who committed this horrible act is someone whom it would be politically damaging to readily identify.

kingsjester on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Well, it’s going to come out in a matter of hours at the latest, so if they know, they should publish it now.

Blake on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

MSNBC IV: Noting that she is a member of the Blue Dog coalition, but she departed with them on Obamacare… just got through a tough election.

NOTE: I’m not purposely avoiding the tragedy. This is horrible. I’m just trying to keep tabs on how some are covering this. Prayers for her and the others injured…

mankai on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Her district is the one in which the rancher was killed.

Krentz was found shot to death just before midnight Saturday on his property about 35 miles northeast of Douglas.

scrubjay on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Those of you who are saying Drudge says she is deceased must be reading a different website than I am. Let’s pray you are wrong.

Buy Danish on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

That was on Drudge for about 5 minutes before he changed the headline.

Knucklehead on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Just my opinion, but quite a bit on this thread is just way over the top for a public official having just been shot.

I was away from the computer but now have had a chance to skim the thread. Friendly warning for gryphon and everyone else with a pet theory based on nothing about who might have caused this: If you persist in embarrassing our site in the thread here, you’ll be banned. No further warnings, no questions asked. Show some basic decency towards Giffords and towards the groups you’re so quick to blame.

I mean it. The banhammer is out.

Allahpundit on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Not pro-life. NARAL donated $5,000 to her campaign in October.

steebo77 on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Interesting. Fox reported she was pro-life.

carbon_footprint on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

NARAL Pro-Choice America PAC Sends $70,000 to Candidates in Competitive Races

The PAC‘s contributions include $4,500 to Rep. Meek’s Senate campaign and $5,000 each to the following pro-choice incumbents: Reps. John Adler in New Jersey’s 3rd District; Tim Bishop in New York’s 1st District; Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona’s 8th District; John Hall in New York’s 19th District; Suzanne Kosmas in Florida’s 24th District; Harry Mitchell in Arizona’s 5th District; Loretta Sanchez in California’s 47th District; Betty Sutton in Ohio’s 13th District; and Dina Titus in Nevada’s 3rd District.

steebo77 on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

I don’t get the fear. What type of a track record exists of those on the right doing these types of things. All of the high profile political shootings I know about (as far back as JFK) were performed by those on the left.

chemman on January 8, 2011 at 1:40 PM

I know that is why I have faith in the Right.

Tim Burton on January 8, 2011 at 2:02 PM

tbrosz on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Well advised. Prayers to the victims.

Geochelone on January 8, 2011 at 2:02 PM

What horrible news. My prayers go out to the families.

OxyCon on January 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Brace yourself for the MSNBC accusations that the gunman was a Tea Party member.

jediwebdude on January 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM

The ONLY thing that makes me think that its not a crazy right wing person is that 12 people were shot. I would assume that a crazed right wing person would just go from the congresswoman and not try to kill others. But then again I am trying to rationalize what a crazy person might be thinking, so i have no idea.

thphilli on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Interesting. Fox reported she was pro-life.

carbon_footprint on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Wikipedia has her at 100% rating from NARAL, so I’d doubt she’s pro-life, but again, her politics don’t really matter at the moment.

Good Solid B-Plus on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Fox News just said that Giffords was shot in the head.

SoulGlo on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

BallisticBob on January 8, 2011 at 1:58 PM

This was a political event and there would have had a crowd so different dynamics. It would have been easy to hit 12 with 13 shots.

chemman on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Pet theory based on nothing? :-O How about the fact that we don’t have any information on the shooter right now? None? Am I the only one that finds this disquieting?

Blah.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Some of these comments make me ashamed to be affiliated with this site.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Yep. Some folks here get that way sometimes. But when you call them out they act like children (but what did you expect?).

An attack on an American Congressperson is sad and shameful. More than that it’s an attack on our democracy. It’s not time to speculate or gloat. Prayers for the victims and their families.

I’m conservative. You’re not the first to call me that, and you won’t be the last.

*NEXT*

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Ooooooooh. A real conservative. May I have your autograph? Pardon me while I bow to your true conservatism cleverly disguises and petty politicizing while a woman may be dying.

29Victor on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Rebar on January 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Did you see my warning up above, Rebar? Or are you actually trying to get banned?

Allahpundit on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108arizona-giffords-brk.html

Arizona Congresswoman Giffords shot; 4 dead

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Fox says 16 shot

Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot along with three of her aides by a gunman Saturday morning outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, Fox News has confirmed.
Twelve others were shot as well at Giffords’ “Your Corner” event held at Safeway. The gunman is in custody.

faraway on January 8, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Prayers go out for all of these people involved. Why does this even have to happen? I don’t care whether the person/people are dems/reps/indes or whatever. No one deserves this to happen. They have families for cryin out loud! What’s going to happen to those who are left behind? THAT’S what I think about.

sicoit on January 8, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Well said :(

MikeknaJ on January 8, 2011 at 2:05 PM

wow. this is terrible. I’ll pray for this woman.

ted c on January 8, 2011 at 2:05 PM

How about the fact that we don’t have any information on the shooter right now? None? Am I the only one that finds this disquieting?

Are you the only one who finds it “disquieting” that in the chaos of a mass shooting, we don’t have info on the shooter **immediately**? Yeah, I think you might be.

Allahpundit on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Right now, who gives a *&%%$? A Member of Congress was shot in the head, and the blame is all you care about?

Heartless.

NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I’m conservative. You’re not the first blowhard to call me that by a longshot.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 1:53 PM

gryph, calling yourself a conservative doesn’t excuse your despicable response to what’s just happened. there are heartless conservatives out there just like there are heartless liberals out there.

now, post your snarky “comment noted and ignored” response and continue to make a fool of yourself. i don’t care. i just want to go on the record with others to say that your comments do not represent hotair commenters more broadly. at least i pray they don’t. they certainly don’t speak for me.

cschande on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Some of these comments make me ashamed to be affiliated with this site.
NoStoppingUs on January 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM

+1. Here, there and everywhere it seems as of late.

Buy Danish on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Allahpundit on January 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM

The site is unusually slow, at least for me, so no I didn’t see the warning.

Rebar on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Prayers for her. This is despicable no matter who the target was or their politics.

WitchDoctor on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Believe me, Hawk. I have been exercising restraint. Whether it looks like it or not to certain other individuals, I have been holding my tongue since the very first post — as opposed to what’s really on my mind.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Dude…it’s not the right place to go. We have no information right now and any speculation that anyone dishes out will only hurt us all. Let the left devolve into premature blame-gaming.

Let’s just be patient…wait and see what we find out and focus our attention where it counts…and that is on sending good wishes and prayers for the families of all those affected. Not only those shot, but also their families…who must be tying themselves into pretzels with concern over their loved ones.

Meanwhile…

Fox is saying that Rep. Giffords was shot point blank in the head…has that been confirmed?

powerpro on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Don’t rule out the possibility of a lefty lunatic just yet.

JohnJ on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

If “embarrassing the site” is the standard for banning now, half of the commenters that are in most threads shouldn’t be.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

tbrosz on January 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Well advised. Prayers to the victims.

Geochelone on January 8, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Indeed. Some theorists here risk looking foolish. Have some discipline, and some class, and avoid soap-box speculation until more is known. Most of all, if you have it in your hearts, pray for the wounded and their families.

churchill995 on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Horrible, horrible, horrible…please Lord, be with these victims.

capitalist piglet on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Well, we’re not going to get any real information for hours probably. For now, just pray for the congresswoman and her family. :(

Emily M. on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Arizona Congresswoman Giffords shot; 4 dead

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 2:05 PM

4 people dead for no reason. May they rest in peace. May their families be comforted.

gophergirl on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I was away from the computer but now have had a chance to skim the thread. Friendly warning for gryphon and everyone else with a pet theory based on nothing about who might have caused this: If you persist in embarrassing our site in the thread here, you’ll be banned. No further warnings, no questions asked. Show some basic decency towards Giffords and towards the groups you’re so quick to blame.

I mean it. The banhammer is out.

Allahpundit on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Thanks, AP.

My prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her family, and all those who were also shot in this terrible crime.

GrannyDee on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Friendly warning for gryphon and everyone else with a pet theory based on nothing about who might have caused this…

Allahpundit on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Based on pass experience, the number of people shot, and the running up to the group and shooting, I stand by theory that it was a mentally ill paranoid schiz.

Blake on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

MSNBC V: noting threats during the health care debate… shots fired at her office after health care vote… might have set somebody off… people have a lot of passions around health care and immigration…

NOTE: I’m not purposely avoiding the tragedy. This is horrible. I’m just trying to keep tabs on how some are covering this. Prayers for her and the others injured…

mankai on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

KOLD TV is reporting at least 4 dead.

RBMN on January 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM

pass = past

Blake on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Sad

ronsfi on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Fox is saying that Rep. Giffords was shot point blank in the head…has that been confirmed?

powerpro on January 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM

As tends to be the case in such matters, there is a lot of conflicting information. If I am going to stick with what we really truly know at this point, all I can say is that I’m not sure.

gryphon202 on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Some on the left will play up her liberalism in order to make the shooter out as violently attacking liberalism, while some one the right will play up her somewhat conservative positions in order to make the shooter out as violently attacking conservatism. It’s a pretty sad exercise.

theperfecteconomist on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

ABC says 12 total shot. She is still alive.

faraway on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Local station news. 13 people shot 6 are dead

William Amos on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

6 dead, 13 shot?

Horrible.

Inanemergencydial on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

That was on Drudge for about 5 minutes before he changed the headline.
Knucklehead on January 8, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Okay, thanks.

Buy Danish on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Report saying 13 shot, 6 deceased.

theperfecteconomist on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Local news feed saying 7 shot 6 are deceased.

roux on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

So sad…NPR updating that Congresswoman Giffords has died…

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/08/132764367/congresswoman-shot-in-arizona

MB007 on January 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM

She died…

OxyCon on January 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM

KVOA reporting 6 dead

Eren on January 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM

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