Did the NFL let Brett Favre off the hook?

posted at 1:50 pm on December 31, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

After weeks of speculation over whether the NFL would take a hard line against future Hall of Famer and legendary iron man Brett Favre over allegations of sexual harrassment during his one season with the New York Jets, the league finally fined Favre $50,000 … for a failure to cooperate with the investigation.  In the end, literally in this case, the NFL decided to punt on making a determination whether Favre committed the actions alleged by Jenn Sterger.  Instead of sacking one of its marquee players before the end of his final season, the NFL allowed the clock to run out and let Favre remain eligible to play in one final game:

The ruling came days before what could be the final game for the three-time MVP. He’ll start for Minnesota at Detroit on Sunday if he’s recovered from a concussion sustained Dec. 20 against Chicago, and has said this will be his final season, though he’s unretired in the past. He made the declaration even before his NFL record for consecutive starts was snapped at 297 in mid-December.

It’s been a tough season on the field for Favre and his Vikings, and by the league’s own admission, the investigation begun in early October has generated plenty of bad publicity for all the parties involved — Favre, Sterger and the NFL itself.

Yet commissioner Roger Goodell “could not conclude” that Favre violated the league’s personal conduct policy based on the evidence currently available to him, the league said in a statement announcing the fine.

Forensic analysis failed to establish that Favre sent the objectionable photographs to Sterger, the league said.

Favre’s punishment stems from Goodell’s determination that he was “not candid in several respects during the investigation resulting in a longer review and additional negative public attention for Favre, Sterger and the NFL,” the league said. The commissioner also told Favre that if he had found a violation of the league’s workplace conduct policies, he would have imposed a “substantially higher level of discipline.”

In other words, Favre lied at some point, or hid some information that the league later discovered.  Goodell had promised a ruling before the end of the season in order to retain some ability to punish Favre, who will almost certainly remain retired after taking a beating in his 20th season in the NFL.  The punishment in this case amounts to about the same level given for a repeat offender on helmet-to-helmet hits on a defenseless receiver or QB — ironic, in this case, because Favre has not yet passed the first level of tests necessary to return on Sunday from a concussion suffered on a clean hit from a Chicago Bears pass rush.  And perhaps that’s even doubly ironic, since Goodell approved the use of the frozen field at TCF Bank Stadium two weeks ago after spending the season handing out fines to protect players from ferocious hits and concussions.

Did the NFL make the right decision?  If the league honestly couldn’t determine whether Favre sent a picture of his own genitalia to Sterger, then perhaps so.  However, since Sterger is almost certain to sue Favre, the Jets, and the league, Goodell had better hope that his “forensic analysis” actually did fail, rather than succeed in finding exactly what the league wanted to find — nothing.  Obviously, though, the NFL didn’t consider the use of the Beulah Balbricker investigatory method (mildly NFSW):

So far, most observers are less than impressed with the league’s response, such as Pete Prisco at CBS (via The Week)

You know what this smells like to me: A league allowing a star to walk off into the sunset without a black mark on his resume.

They gave him a pass.

Did we expect any different? There is one week left in his career. What’s the point of suspending him now? All that would do is tarnish his legacy. Who needs a creep showing up for Pro Football Hall of Fame inductions?

Would a creep play as an NFL analyst, which Favre is almost certain to do.

The NFL found no wrongdoing.

Want to bet Mrs. Favre didn’t see it the same way?

The analyst job may or may not materialize; given the almost-certain lawsuit, it’s doubtful whether anyone will feel comfortable hiring Favre, at least until the case is settled or adjudicated.  If a settlement is reached, don’t bet that the terms will allow for any comment on the allegations — or the money involved.  Favre will likely pay a premium to protect his long-term ability to earn.  Besides, Sterger has been patient with the NFL; she could have just bypassed the league and taken Favre directly into court.  She may want this settled as soon as possible now so she can get on with her life as well.

Sean Gregory at Time wants the NFL to continue its investigation:

If the league really thinks Favre did not send Sterger the pictures, it should just say so. As it stands, the NFL sounds like a judge or jury telling a defendant: “Hey, we can’t say you committed that crime since you’re not being honest. So you’re out of jail. But since you’re not being honest, we have to slap you with a little fine. Is that OK?”

And if the NFL is truly upset about Favre lying to an employer during a workplace harassment investigation – a fireable offense at many, if not most, companies – why not hit him with a more serious fine? A $50,000 punishment is pennies for Favre, who is reportedly making $16.5 million for his mediocre play this season. What kind of message is the NFL sending?

Many fans were hoping that the NFL’s statement would put the whole Favre-Sterger mess behind us. The tabloid affair has long grown tiresome. After this less than forthcoming conclusion about a serious issue, however, this story shouldn’t be sealed. We need more answers.

Unless Favre wants to coach, what would be the point of continuing an investigation into an ex-employee?  Quite obviously, the NFL wants this to end with the season.  As far as lying or covering up information, it’s probably true that Favre’s contract would allow the league to fire him for it.  Will they then fire everyone who covers up steroid use, too?  Illegal drug use?  That won’t happen either, especially in a league where a star defensive player on a playoff team this year had to plead guilty to obstruction of justice in a murder investigation in 2000 and got a $250,000 fine from the league — and no suspension.

What do you think?  Did Favre get sacked, or did the league let him off the hook?  Take the poll … er, no pun intended:


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You get a bigger fine for tackling by helmet contact

J_Crater on December 31, 2010 at 1:53 PM

You forgot to include the ‘givashit’ option.

darwin-t on December 31, 2010 at 1:57 PM

You forgot to include the ‘givashit’ option.

darwin-t on December 31, 2010 at 1:57 PM

You beat me to that obvious statement. Why is this even newsworthy? Must be a beta male thing.

Kermit on December 31, 2010 at 2:00 PM

You forgot to include the ‘givashit’ option.

darwin-t on December 31, 2010 at 1:57 PM

Thread winner!

Shut ‘er down!

Knucklehead on December 31, 2010 at 2:00 PM

That was a funny scene from Porky’s.

As for Fahvaray, maybe let whatever investigation there was play itself out before convicting the guy; it’s not as if the NFL isn’t liberally sprinkled with criminals anyway.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:00 PM

You know what this smells like to me: A league allowing a star to walk off into the sunset without a black mark on his resume. …

What’s the point of suspending him now? All that would do is tarnish his legacy. ….

I guess he hasn’t watched Farve play this year.

Dusty on December 31, 2010 at 2:01 PM

If the league honestly couldn’t determine whether Favre sent a picture of his own genitalia to Sterger, then perhaps so.

Uh, no. An employee has a responsibility to be honest and open with his employer. This is not a court of law and if Favre is not cooperating, the NFL should have immediately back in Octoboer suspended him for 5 games.

… and then revoked the suspension …

… and then applied it again ….

… and then revoked it again ….

… and then applied it again ….

… again and again …

… for the rest of season!

Now that would’ve been JUSTICE!

PackerBronco on December 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM

All I know is that a lesser known quarterback would already been executed by the media and society. Brett was/is a great football player, but why do what he did? I mean, the guy’s wife is battling cancer. He comes from a good family and always seemed to be a stand-up guy. Stupid.

HomeoftheBrave on December 31, 2010 at 2:05 PM

You get a bigger fine for tackling by helmet contact

J_Crater on December 31, 2010 at 1:53 PM

Or for tripping a player from the other team as he runs down the sidelines, which happened yesterday.

Del Dolemonte on December 31, 2010 at 2:05 PM

It’s all part of what I call the “Jets curse”. Favre played for the team. Sterger was employed there. And now Coach Ryan’s footie thing. These won’t end.

That Baltimore Colt’s fan voodoo woman’s hex on Gang Green since their Superbowl III win is still going strong.

*facepalm*

JetBoy on December 31, 2010 at 2:07 PM

$50.000 Grand later!!

canopfor on December 31, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Pig Skin Bimbo Eruptus!

canopfor on December 31, 2010 at 2:08 PM

I think I’ve heard of this Favre guy before, but shouldn’t we really be talking about the only two QBs who matter this season–Mike Vick and Cammy Cam Juice?

Christien on December 31, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Maybe Favre was being uncooperative as payback to the NFL for his having to play for the Jets. I can think of few tortures worse than that.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Favre may have gotten the proverbial slap on the hand from the NFL, but he may not have gotten away with being allowed to play his final game. He is still not fully recovered from when Chicago Bears Defensive End Corey Wooten rung his bell by driving his head into the frozen ground in Minnesota a week or so ago, and he may not be allowed to play this Sunday.

Plus there is still the liklihood that Jenn Sterger is eventually going to sue his sorry rear end for harrassment.

So regardless how you slice it, his great big fat comeback career is over………the PUH-VURT!

pilamaye on December 31, 2010 at 2:16 PM

Maybe Favre was being uncooperative as payback to the NFL for his having to play for the Jets. I can think of few tortures worse than that.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:10 PM

o_O

JetBoy on December 31, 2010 at 2:17 PM

The e-mail has all the evidence necessary to find guilt or innocence. The headers of the e-mail as they reside on the Jenn Sterger’s mailserver are all that are needed. Any copy of the e-mail provided by Sterger is suspect — since she will have handled the e-mail and may have modified the headers to match some other non-incriminating e-mail sent by Favre.

As for fining the guy for lying — one would certainly like to have that put into perspective. The League, regardless of Favre’s guilt or innocence, may want to be immunized in the event of a Sterger lawsuit, so the $50K fine is a “mea non culpa” statement more than a statement of Favre’s guilt. It’s so little that the League does not risk a lawsuit from Favre, and enough that the League can claim to have done something.

In other words, we know nothing right now, and the lawsuit will be quite interesting.

unclesmrgol on December 31, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Did the NFL let Brett Favre off the hook?

Yes.

Did the NFL make the right decision?

No. The silver lining being his streak is over and his ego has nothing left to eat.

Quite obviously, the NFL wants this to end with the season.

Let’s hope the same may be said about Favre’s career.

rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Just make him sit out the first four games of next season.

Christien on December 31, 2010 at 2:25 PM

Uh, no. An employee has a responsibility to be honest and open with his employer. This is not a court of law and if Favre is not cooperating, the NFL should have immediately back in Octoboer suspended him for 5 games.

PackerBronco on December 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Sorry, I call BS on that. I hate my manager and think he’s a little Napoleon wanna be but I’m sure as crap ain’t going to be “honest” with him about it. Please.

If it was such an issue than why wait 2 years and why wait until the week of the game to bring it up. Something’s rotten in NYC.

The flip side is SHE.IS.HOT! and I can’t throw a stones but C’mon Man.

VikingGoneWild on December 31, 2010 at 2:26 PM

So did she just get these texts out of the blue? She didn’t give her number, didn’t respond?

MayBee on December 31, 2010 at 2:27 PM

I can think of few tortures worse than that.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Playing for Minnesota is one torture worse than that.

rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Playing for Minnesota is one torture worse than that.
rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Definitely close, which is why I’m a Steelers fan.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:33 PM

After this miserable season the Vikes need to give The Old Man the hook…

Bruno Strozek on December 31, 2010 at 2:42 PM

I hear Favre has all of Vicks dog skin practice balls hidden at his house.

BL@KBIRD on December 31, 2010 at 2:42 PM

Definitely close, which is why I’m a Steelers fan.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:33 PM

The whole organization, sans Roethlisberger, is a class act.

Mike Tomlin may very well correct that deficiency.

Having to play for the Cowboys Jerry Jones is one of those tortures worse than Minnesota.

rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 2:49 PM

ED: she could have just bypassed the league and taken Favre directly into court. She may want this settled as soon as possible now so she can get on with her life as well.

Hold on Ed she waited 2 years to bring this up. Many, including myself, are not ones to believe this woman who resurrects a 2 year old incident that no one knew about as trying to get on with their life. That had already happened before she brought this back up.

I don’t take Farve side in what he did but I have to take exception to your assumption she is getting on with her life. Sorry but the cheesecake photos I have seen of this women made myself conclude that she would use what she sees as her only payable skill. Getting guys hot and bothered. Myself and others have speculated she tried to leverage this into a quick settlement between herself and the league or Farve and when Farve or whoever told her to take a hike she was too far down the road with the NFL to drop it cold turkey without it coming out she didn’t cooperate with her employer.

Again more Ed: However, since Sterger is almost certain to sue Favre, the Jets, and the league

Once again you identify she wasn’t EVER going to NOT get paid out of this. You agree with me here. Smell the coffee Ed she is NOT a typical victim and don’t bet she didn’t do something to encourage old Farve to send a crotch shot to her. Be careful who you put your faith in. I bet she along with Farve wouldn’t look good if the whole truth came out. Bet you this woman has a reason to avoid a full court hearing of the facts.

Conan on December 31, 2010 at 2:56 PM

TBH, I was completely sick of Brett Favre 2 years ago. The sound of his name causes a vomit reflex in me. But that’s just me. I can’t stand repulsive displays of hero worship to undeserving people, and when it comes to Favre, it doesn’t get any worse. I bet Al Michaels was the first person to download pics of Favre’s shlong.

As for the girl Sterger…she doesn’t look like an NFL groupie to me…/snark. I’m sure she’s never gotten it on with multiple NFL players before. Farve probably hit on her right out of the blue and most likely never heard any locker room talk of her exploits. She’s as innocent as pure driven snow.

OxyCon on December 31, 2010 at 3:01 PM

Sorry, I call BS on that. I hate my manager and think he’s a little Napoleon wanna be but I’m sure as crap ain’t going to be “honest” with him about it. Please.

VikingGoneWild on December 31, 2010 at 2:26 PM

Sure you can do that, and your employer would be totally within his rights — and should — can your a&&. Which is what the NFL should’ve done in this situation.

PackerBronco on December 31, 2010 at 3:03 PM

So did she just get these texts out of the blue? She didn’t give her number, didn’t respond?

MayBee on December 31, 2010 at 2:27 PM

^^

I’m not too familiar with the case but if she received wee wee pictures and they’re from a phone in Favre’s possession at the time they were sent then it seems it’d be case closed.

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 3:09 PM

SNL spoofs Brett Favre’s recent exposure to the press in a new light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyKP2PQjmiE

fastestslug on December 31, 2010 at 3:12 PM

Favre’s possession at the time they were sent then it seems it’d be case closed.

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 3:09 PM

How is it case closed? So let’s say she told Farve they should get a hotel room and he sent her this stupid crotch Shot?

You assume a lot assuming she did nothing and got these pictures out of the blue.

What if she is “experienced” and knows married men like Farve can’t tell their side of the story without ruining their own marriage? You maybe haven’t seen the cheesecake photos. Her job with the Jets wasn’t equipment manager. I would trust this woman as much as I would a stripper when it comes to possibly taking men for a money ride.

Conan on December 31, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I’m not too familiar with the case but if she received wee wee pictures and they’re from a phone in Favre’s possession at the time they were sent then it seems it’d be case closed.

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 3:09 PM

Not if Favre “left” his mobile phone unattended in his changing area in the locker room where anyone could have sent the photo… I doubt that Favre was the “only” Jets player with Jen’s phone number and he could have been “pranked” (a.k.a. The Favre Defense)…

A “Porky’s” line-up would solve the problem… /s

I almost split my side laughing when I saw that scene in the theater first run… It STILL makes me smile… Like Ike’s picture in the background…

Khun Joe on December 31, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Now that would’ve been JUSTICE!

PackerBronco on December 31, 2010 at 2:04 PM

The NFL has a responsibility to its shareholders, not to some abstract sense of justice. The bet here by Goodall is that his action best protects the NFL brand.

Probably not the first NFL weiner Jenn’s seen.

dedalus on December 31, 2010 at 3:24 PM

You know what this smells like to me: A league allowing a star to walk off into the sunset without a black mark on his resume.

A sorry display of favoritism that will have lasting, negative effects for player relations in the coming future.

….sure is a good thing that kept that eeeeeeeeeevil Limbaugh guy out of the league so that they could maintain such an ethical stature.

Baxter Greene on December 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM

That Farve is a sleazy guy is not a surprise. Do I care? Nope.

mchristian on December 31, 2010 at 3:29 PM

Brett who?

rmgraha on December 31, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Yep, and the story just happened to break right before the Vikings came into town to play the Jets.

I guess maybe Mangini wasn’t quite the weasel that I thought him to be. Obviously “whinergate” came down from above, just like the sexting scandal, the tripping nonsense.

Crappy organization is crappy. ::YAWN::

reaganaut on December 31, 2010 at 3:33 PM

So did she just get these texts out of the blue? She didn’t give her number, didn’t respond?

MayBee on December 31, 2010 at 2:27 PM

According to this, she did not give him her number.

rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM

How is it case closed? So let’s say she told Farve they should get a hotel room and he sent her this stupid crotch Shot?

You assume a lot assuming she did nothing and got these pictures out of the blue.

What if she is “experienced” and knows married men like Farve can’t tell their side of the story without ruining their own marriage? You maybe haven’t seen the cheesecake photos. Her job with the Jets wasn’t equipment manager. I would trust this woman as much as I would a stripper when it comes to possibly taking men for a money ride.

Conan on December 31, 2010 at 3:17 PM

So let’s say she told Farve they should get a hotel room and he sent her this stupid crotch Shot?

Yeah, let’s just do some “assuming”.

If nothing else, “assuming” like you have – and you blame me of, that Favre sent wee wee pictures of himself to some harlot,

he’s a 40 year old married man sending pictures of his wee wee to some harlot.

Sounds like she’s got a pretty good case and he’s a 40 year old pervert.

“In our civil case, let me introduce to you a big picture of Bret Favre’s swang that we’ve tracked down as coming from his phone that he sent to my client, your honor.”

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM

This season was punishment enough I think. The dumbest thing Favre ever did was agree to play this year too. He could’ve gone out on top, last year, but nooooo…. He had to go that bridge too far.

RBMN on December 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Maybe Favre was being uncooperative as payback to the NFL for his having to play for the Jets. I can think of few tortures worse than that.

Bishop on December 31, 2010 at 2:10 PM

FTW!

Seriously, the Bears took care of Mr. Jane Skinner having to suspend Favre. Of course, we thought the Bills had done so two weeks prior to allow the injury/suspension to match Rothlesberger’s, but Action Jackson had to go and do what backups to Favre always do when they’re called upon to see significant game time – get knocked out for the year.

steveegg on December 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Well said.

rukiddingme on December 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM

BTW, I think the 5-yard penalty should be called “illegal formation”.

steveegg on December 31, 2010 at 3:39 PM

And we thought the Packers took care of that four weeks ago to allow the injury/suspension end to match what was originally given Rothlisberger.

The only thing that saddens me is that Favre’s last pass wasn’t an interception.

steveegg on December 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM

The team hires a stripper to hang out with the players. She flirts and the players flirt. What could go wrong? Farve’s alleged behavior is wrong but have you ever been in a sports locker room? Come on… There’s no way it was harassment because it wasn’t unwanted. She’s just looking for some attention. How do I know? Well, would any of us have ever heard of her if she didn’t do this?

roux on December 31, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Roger’s lawyering has gummed up the works. His first delusion was to assert himself as a virtuous personal conduct cop to hand out stiff sanctions for wayward players. One player was suspended for a year for being over the dui limit when a jaywalker darted in front of the player’s vehicle and the jaywalker died. The Steelers QB was given a pass by prosecutors in a rape investigation, but Roger had to impose his virtue and suspend the QB for 4 games — this put the NFL press circus on a glide path for the first of soon to be a series of Big Lewinsky’s. Favre’s version is the Blue Dress Texts — maybe the subtitle is “Roger’s Regret” or “Roger Makes Like a Rabbit.” Goodell decided that he wasn’t convinced by the convincing evidence. Basically, the massive tree fell in the forest, but since Roger refused to hear it, it didn’t make a sound. And you can bet future misconduct of a salacious nature won’t make a sound either. So there won’t be much of an asterisk near’s Favre’s bust in the NFL Hall, and there won’t be much integrity perceived in the NFL Commissioner’s future pronouncements.

Mark30339 on December 31, 2010 at 3:54 PM

he’s a 40 year old married man sending pictures of his wee wee to some harlot.

Sounds like she’s got a pretty good case and he’s a 40 year old pervert.

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM

You BowHunting seem like a moral preener who can’t concieve that you are possibly dealing with TWO flawed people and focusing on just one of them because of your own belief system.

Facts are this WOMAN may or may not be a “harlot” but only a stooge would assume Farve is just out-of-control and not PART of a 2 person morality slide and that moves him from the pervert column to the cheating husband column where you refuse to allow the possiblity for.

Facts are BowHunting you are way over the top in your assumption he is acting without ANY provacation.

Conan on December 31, 2010 at 3:59 PM

It’s all part of what I call the “Jets curse”. Favre played for the team. Sterger was employed there. And now Coach Ryan’s footie thing. These won’t end.

That Baltimore Colt’s fan voodoo woman’s hex on Gang Green since their Superbowl III win is still going strong.

*facepalm*

JetBoy on December 31, 2010 at 2:07 PM

That latest story just heated up yesterday, according to the NY Daily News

Just when Rex Ryan thought he was back on solid footing, it appears that another shoe has dropped.

New and graphic photos appeared on the Internet Thursday purporting to depict Michelle Ryan, the wife of the chastened Jets coach, showing off her bare feet – and much, much more.

Having seen the New England Patriots go thru similar things in the past (remember the infamous Lisa Olson locker room story?) what the Jets need is simple-both a no-nonsense Head Coach (like their former coach, Bill Parcells) and more importantly, a no-nonsense owner who would never put up with such shenanigans. Would Leon Hess have put up with this crap?

Del Dolemonte on December 31, 2010 at 4:03 PM

I sure wish Farve would send me picture of his member…I could use a couple million right about now…

repvoter on December 31, 2010 at 4:06 PM

You you your you you your.

Conan on December 31, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Yup. And I here I thought Favre sending wee wee pictures of himself to some harlot was the subject.

Thanks though. I like being so highly thought of.

BowHuntingTexas on December 31, 2010 at 4:06 PM

…what the Jets need is simple-both a no-nonsense Head Coach (like their former coach, Bill Parcells) and more importantly, a no-nonsense owner who would never put up with such shenanigans. Would Leon Hess have put up with this crap?

Del Dolemonte on December 31, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Parcells did turn the team from Keystone Cops to 30 Minutes from the Superbowl quick. I just hope none of Ryan’s silliness affects the team play.

Hess’ last great accomplishment was snagging Parcells from Kraft. Memories. A great thing since Hess also put up with his buddy Joe Walton for far too long. He made Kotite look like Lombardi.

JetBoy on December 31, 2010 at 4:31 PM

The real message sent by the NFL was ‘hey, teams, stop hiring no-talent eye-candy to work meaningless jobs for you’. Sounds sexist? Maybe. And, so what. Since most pro athletes will nail anything that moves, why compound the problem by dangling D cups in front of them at practice and in the locker room? It’s like holding AA meetings at a local bar.

joejm65 on December 31, 2010 at 4:37 PM

J$P: Brett Favre and other hot topics on Megyn’s Power Panel with Ainsley Earhardt, Kimberly Guilfoyle, and Greg Gutfeld
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StewartIII on December 31, 2010 at 4:47 PM

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hillbillyjim on December 31, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Ms. Sterger apparently is quite the lassie.

In 2009, Sterger had her breast implants removed, stating that they had served their purpose for her career, and that she was tired of being stereotyped.

Stereotyped as what one wonders.

Mason on December 31, 2010 at 5:16 PM

WTFHAPPENED to my post?

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hillbillyjim on December 31, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Obviously he was let off easily, but my outrage level is not that high. The woman hurt her own case by delaying so long to make a complaint and, in any event, she has other forms of recourse which she is apparently already considering. Brett isn’t at the Jets any longer so it’s not even a hostile workplace environment sort of situation.

Y-not on December 31, 2010 at 5:17 PM

It makes those Wangler(/) jeans commercials kinda comical, though — you have to admit.

hillbillyjim on December 31, 2010 at 5:20 PM

What a non-story.

CWforFreedom on December 31, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Hess’ last great accomplishment was snagging Parcells from Kraft. Memories. A great thing since Hess also put up with his buddy Joe Walton for far too long. He made Kotite look like Lombardi.

JetBoy on December 31, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Kotite?! Talk about “hack” personified…

Del Dolemonte on December 31, 2010 at 5:46 PM

I haven’t really paid attention to this non-story because of the PC element.

First off, you all are starting in the wrong place for this argument. You were put there by hyperactive Political correctness and you went like little sheep, without a whine.

What did Favre do? A college prank? That, before hyper-sensitive feminism made almost everything from opening a door for a woman or making an innocent comment about their looks a suing offense, was all it was, or so it seems.

Frankly, she should take the photo, print it and sell it. She’d make money. He’d be a fool and we could all move on. The fact he “didn’t cooperate” is fine with me. If he can afford the fine, take it rather than get dragged through a bunch of “what he really meant by his statement” bull we deal with every day from talking heads.

Jeez… if he did it was it in bad taste? Sure, and stupid too. But he’s a redneck from Mississippi. We’re lucky he didn’t run around asking linemen to pull his finger or see if he could bet someone he could light his farts.

Get over it. One bad moment does not make a life. Heck, with him ten bad moments don’t make a life. She’ll get her money-maybe. He’ll take the financial hit and he will ride off into the sunset, asking the limo driver if he thinks farts are flammable.

archer52 on December 31, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Were I representing and advising Sterger, I would have very strongly advised her to wait for the NFL’s results. Waiting was a no-lose proposition for her. She wasn’t anywhere near to any legal deadlines, and there are still YEARS left on civil statutes of limitations. She had a legitimate hope that Favre might have incriminated himself — admitted something — during the NFL investigation that would certainly also bind him in a civil lawsuit. And now that it’s turned out that he’s refused to incriminate himself by refusing to cooperate, she gets the benefit of BROADCASTING that fact, literally and figuratively, to every potential juror in America — which for her purposes isn’t quite as good as an admission on the main charge, but which certainly isn’t bad. By doing nothing for just a short while, she’s gained a substantial advantage for any future lawsuit.

Beldar on December 31, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Jeez… if he did it was it in bad taste? Sure, and stupid too. But he’s a redneck from Mississippi.

archer52 on December 31, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Wasn’t aware that a guy whose parents were both teachers (i.e., “liberals”), and who has Native American ancestry (Choctaw) could automatically become a “redneck” just by being born in a southern city of 60,000+ people.

Or is he automatically a “redneck” because that city is in Mississippi?

Del Dolemonte on December 31, 2010 at 6:38 PM

The question always has been if the woman in question reported Favre’s indiscretion to Jets management immediately along with forwarding them the evidence? If so, what did the Jets do about it? If she didn’t report it, why not? Being harassed by sports figures from the lowest to the highest of fame is a given. Sorry if that sounds un-PC but facts are facts; and any woman who enters the sports world knows this. Been going on since the days of Rome, but there are many ways to avoid it. First off, you act like a lady whenever you are around the players; you do not dress or act provocatively to be noticed by them. I know, I know, dress should not matter. What a crock! I’m sick and tired of women playing the thong game and howl if someone wants to snap it. If you are a decent woman and a player gets out of line, you return his offending material with a terse note that this is not acceptable, then you report it and tell the player he’s been reported to management, and you ask for an apology, in writing to management and to yourself. If he refuses, then it goes legal. What you don’t do is keep the “offending” material for two years, show it to someone who publishes it allegedly against your wishes, hire a lawyer, and act like you are a victim. Two years ago you may have been disgusted, but you lost your chance to do the right thing. RULE: ALWAYS be upfront in reporting if you are harassed and offended and nip it in the bud. Whatever power you may think a famous man has over you or your job is nothing compared to the power of being right and decent or the next best thing–the power of his wife’s opinion. Since forensics are so advanced today and it could not be proven that the photos were from Favre, then they weren’t from Favre. Favre sending the written invite has probably worked dozens of times in the past. I’m just supposing, but it probably won’t be happening again.

Mae on December 31, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Del

Go to Mississippi, or grow up in the South as a proud redneck, also the product of professional parents, as I am and you’ll realize that it is a culture not a race issue.

Again, it is a bouncing ball moment. Don’t believe me, in Alabama, my favorite state, there is a joke that goes that the NTSB decided to see what was the conversation in the moments leading up to car wrecks. So they installed audio recording devices in select cars throughout the U.S. In Alabama the predominantly last words heard on the recording were “Hold my beer and watch this!”

I tell this story and everybody in my circle of Alabama friends laugh and roll their eyes because they know I’m not lying. We are not uptight North Easterners, or Yuppie PC noddle brains from New York, or smoked out hippies from California. We are Southerners. We love our families,our mommas, may drink too much beer on occasion, devoted to going to church, laughing, loving, hunting and fishing and frankly doing some of the stupidest things a man can do.

How else can you explain Catfish “noodling?” (Look it up, you’ll shake your head. And you’ll really shake your head when you realize girls down here do it to- for a fun time!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAN8MfPAZt0

Just saying… Let it go. At least he didn’t take the picture while jumping ditches or mudding in his four wheel pickup.

archer52 on December 31, 2010 at 9:21 PM

I’m in the “who gives a shit?” camp. Favre’s wife is the only victim here.

CVMA-Dredd on December 31, 2010 at 9:46 PM

My feeling is that as the league did not accuse Sterger of lying (as they said she did not engage in inappropriate conduct) the only thing the league couldn’t prove is that Favre pressed the send button on his phone. They don’t say the forensic analysis said the pictures did not come from Favre’s phone or the pictures were not of Favre. Only that they couldn’t prove Favre sent them. No amount of analysis will prove that, it takes an admission as anyone could press the send button. Favre admitted to the voicemails because you can use software to prove that its his voice. But unless you have a camera watching the phone at the time the pics were sent, you can’t prove who sent the pictures. But by saying that Favre lied during the investigation, and Sterger did not, they should have taken Sterger’s word.

Zaggs on December 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM

archer52 on December 31, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Nice try.

We Southerners get enough shit without your help perpetuating it.

You make some valid points, but your exaggerations don’t help “the cause”, to swipe a phrase from history.

hillbillyjim on December 31, 2010 at 10:56 PM

This was a marketing campaign for her spread in Maxim that was going to be released a couple weeks after the release. Poor thing, how was she to know that it would be wildly successful. It was about money and only money.

So happy new year to both breasts, I understand she said they were very expensive to get done and now that they will be leading her on to more fame and fortune — congratulations Jenn. Consider them bought and paid for.

Rahmulus on January 1, 2011 at 12:01 AM

it’s doubtful whether anyone will feel comfortable hiring Favre

Marv Albert happily disagrees.

DrAllecon on January 1, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Hold on Ed she waited 2 years to bring this up. Many, including myself, are not ones to believe this woman who resurrects a 2 year old incident that no one knew about as trying to get on with their life. That had already happened before she brought this back up.

Conan

Thanks Conan. I find it unsettling she chose her timing for maximum effect.

One other point; in a court of law, Favre has the right to be “unresponsive”, as it says in your Miranda rights, “anything you say can and will be used against you”. If she brings this to trial, she could subpoena the NFL for the transcripts.

Furthermore, don’t be too sure she’s going to bring this to court. Her personal life is bound to come up in a trial, as it should.

And Archer52, I’m from Mississippi and I resent your interpretation of people from my state and southerners in general. It follows a bigoted opinion of decent people who have had to live under the original sin of our past. Please leave your ignorance for places where its accepted.

Signed, a proud Mississippian

itsspideyman on January 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM

How else can you explain Catfish “noodling?”

Archer52

Cary Grant was showing Leslie Caron how to noodle in Father Goose, a 1964 movie.

itsspideyman on January 1, 2011 at 12:23 PM

You left off the option of, I don’t care, I just want him to go away for good this time and I hope she sues his arse off.

roosterman on January 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM

To hillbilly

Don’t worry. I won’t make it worse. Just wait a little while and some friend of ours will do it for us.

To Itsspidey-

Gary Grant did it in a movie, not in real life.

Back to hillbilly- to make my point.

Just the other day I was talking to a kid, no more than 15, about her Christmas vacation time with her extended family (there are seven kids in her family alone- great people every one of them). She said they all get together and play a version of Marco Polo, on ATVs! I asked if that wasn’t a little dangerous and she said, and I kid you not, “Well, we usually stop playing after someone gets hurt. This year an ATV flipped and my cousin had a piece of metal jammed through her ankle. Had to go to the hospital.” Now, this is an ANNUAL event!

I just shook my head. Even I’m not crazy enough to drive an ATV through the woods with my eyes closed!

Just saying…

archer52 on January 1, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Gary Grant did it in a movie, not in real life.Gary Grant did it in a movie, not in real life.

Unimportant. The implication is that noodling is some form of stupid redneck pastime. It’s gone on under different names for centuries. “Tickling” is hand fishing as well, done by waiting for the fish to pass through your hands, versus noodling, where the fisher actively goes after the fish. Hand fishing requires a license and is legal in 12 states; Kentucy, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama,Georgia, Tennessee, Kansas, Illinois, Arkansas, Missouri. Minnesota allows hand fishing but has no special designation.

itsspideyman on January 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Off the hook? He never should have been on the hook to begin with.

xblade on January 1, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I agree that Ed should have included a ‘give a sh!*’ choice. What I would really like to know is, if this reporter actually felt sexually harassed, why did she wait so long to complain? Normally a person has 45 days to file a complaint. The woman in question waited months. AND she kept the cell phone pic ALL that time? Somethings off here and it ain’t just Brett’s ‘package’ picture.

JimP on January 1, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Re the Southern redneck stereotype image. I have to agree with ‘archer52′. Over the years, I have come to realize that no matter what we Southerners do to become more ‘refined’ it doesn’t matter to Yankees (the NE elite types that ‘hillbilly’ referred to). They hate us, always have (read Grady McWhiney’s ‘Cracker Culture..’) and always will. They still think of even selfloathing, leftwing turncoat Southerners as rednecks. They will tolerate them, but never stop thinking of them ultimately as irredeembale rednecks. So we may as well be ourselves. That’s what really, really get’s Yankees’ goats anyway. If we are unapologetic about our ways, it drives them up the wall. Plus, we are obviously having a good time. That too sends them into paroxisms of frustration. So, I say be yourself and make ‘em mad. Double your pleasure.

JimP on January 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Spider-

Look at the states which actually license it. It makes my point.

Give it up. We are who we are, and with that I’m going to drink me some whiskey, fry up some catfish, deep fry some hushpuppies and watch TV knowing full well that any SEC team can whip any Big ten team or those girls who play for USC ten times out of ten times because down here we play football for keeps.

If you see a long haired football player down here he is either a great talent (and we’ll put up with his hair and his “dudes” comments) or his momma hasn’t gotten a hold of him yet.

Enough said. Besides its deer season and there’s a buck easing out of the pines as we speak. I need to slip my rifle out of the back porch window. So, take care and be safe.

Ya’ll.

archer52 on January 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM

JimP, what I disagre with Archer 52 is that he stereotypes southerners in the same way northern elitist do. I care nothing for how they view us; as a matter of fact, I think most northerners like Ed view us pretty well, and I have a favorable view of northerners.

People are just people. We do things differently but we are in so many ways the same. I’ve traveled from Mississippi to Wisconsin and I thoughly enjoyed the people I’ve met. I’ve been in Chicago, Michigan City in Illinois, as far north as Washington Island in Wisconsin, and every where in between.

What grinds my teeth is in this statement:

frankly doing some of the stupidest things a man can do

The implication is that doing the stupidest things are the purview of southerners. I’m sorry guys, I can’t hang with that. You are accepting the position that elites hold of us.

I don’t think things that southerners do are any more unusual or bizarre when one looks at cultural lifestyles across the United States. Like you I’m proud of who I am and where I’m from. To accept that we do “the stupidist things” is to accept the cultural prospective of an elitist.

itsspideyman on January 1, 2011 at 7:23 PM

SPIDEY:

Respectfully, I think you may have taken Archer’s statement about doing stupid things a bit too literally. Perhaps my take on it was too light hearted but I took it as just the way we self depricatingly and with good humor refer to ourselves.

As for the Yanks. Sure many are OK. Many are not… still. I lived in the North for a long time and the vast majority were ok. Still, in my experience, most I was in contact with assumed all white Southerners were racists and not too smart. Even today there are Yanks who act like it is 1863 or 1963 here in the South. (In the interest of space and time I will not detail the things they have done and said). Not all of them, but enough to make it clear that there are problems up there still, in 2011. For one example, Allahpundit very much dislikes Southerners judging from posts he has made in the past, because we hunt hogs and he thinks we are still racists (as if the Yanks were just as bigoted-LOL). He’s not said these things recently. I’m no Yankee hater, I just know or have known a lot of them and know how those elitist type Union state ones are about ‘us Sothreners’. Copperhead Yanks tend to be OK, but not even all of them are. In my experience you can have multiple degrees from Ivy League schools, speak the King’s English, and live in NYC for 50 years, and to them you’ll still be a Southern Redneck. Oh, they won’t tell you that often, but sooner or later some subject will come up and you’ll get dismissed as a Southern redneck. ‘It’s in your genes, don’t you know, old boy. You can’t help being inferior/stupid/racist (whatever).’

Hope you can have a Happy New Year.

JimP on January 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM

JimP,

You may be inferior/stupid/racist, but I’m not.

And I hope for you a Happy New Year.

itsspideyman on January 1, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Forgive my last post, JimP, it was inappropriate.

I understand everything you say and you are not wrong.

However, I choose not to believe it is the prevailing opinion, or rather, the one that should matter to us. What others think of us (and I am southern through and through) is as bigoted as the notions that we have spent decades to remove from ourselves. The danger that I fear is that we simply throw our hands in the air in a gesture of impotence, and act as we are expected to act.

Truthfully, there are so many sides to being southern, like the facets on a diamond, that they can’t be counted, and refect internally like any precious stone, just like being “northern”, or “eastern”, or “western”, whatever those terms mean. To say that New Orleanians are the same as Houstonians, or Mobilians, or Atlantans, or any individual community that dots the canvas of the south, is to show a shallow understanding of the culture here. As with us, the cultures that stretch into the Midwest, the Atlantic shore, and all places in between are as infinitely unique. For the hope that I have that as a “southerner” I will be understood as an American first, I must do the same for every other American, wherever they are. There is one thing I do carry a very bigoted opinion to, and that is aimed at those who would divide us into classes and statuses. The dream of our country is that we are all equal under the eyes of God; sadly there are those who don’t share that dream.

I’ve stretched this thread far to long, and forgive me for having those phrases touch a raw nerve with me. Yes, I can feel the contempt others may show to us, but rather than give in, I would rather live with the hope one day this will end.

The best of New Years, JimP and Archer52, to you and your families.

itsspideyman on January 1, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Guys,

Ease up a little. Truth is I’ve been around the country enough to know that when you get off the beaten path most folks are the same, good people in general. The problem comes from attitude and leadership. There is no way you can compare someone like Al Sharpton, who makes a good living being a race baiter BECAUSE he lives in New York, to the great people in the South who just happen to be of the same color. At the same time, you can’t excuse the arrogance of those like Cuomo, or Brown in California or Pelosi. Those people would not be accepted here in the South as leaders. (Outside Florida because of the transplanted Northern voters- Crist and Nelson come to mind)

As for racism. Frankly, that is an irritating subject to me. So many arrogant Northerners think we in the South are born racists. In fact, I’ve seen more open hostility towards race in the “enlightened” North (remember the black panthers in Philly?) than I’ve seen in years here in the South. In fact, in my favorite state of Alabama, I don’t see open hostility outside the cities. Now inside the cities you might find some issues, but we all know why. That is where the concentration of “educated” elites farm their wares and usually screw things up so badly it will never be right again.

However, outside the cities, in the country, I’ve seen acts of kindness and respect cross all color boundaries. The “Old South” just isn’t anymore. In fact, I’ll put our universities up against the Northern and California schools any day and beat the pants off of them just like the SEC did to the Big Ten this year

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5979585

All I’m saying is we don’t look at the world through the same lens as many do. I grew up in a small town in Florida and watched as “transplants” came from all over the country, especially the NE (NY, NJ, Conn,Mass). One thing became quickly apparent. The old saying that sh*t rolls downhill is true when dealing with NY and NJ transplants. They were, and are, pushy, arrogant, heavy government loving and frankly irritating at many levels.

What they lacked is what we have in abundance down here- Love for country, love for family, love for God, love for frying about anything that we can’t hunt with, fish with or cuddle with around a campfire.

As far as the (as we call it down here) “War of Northern aggression” well, ya’ll won- for now. I know some folks down here who think we are just on a break, kind of like halftime in a football game. Y’know, that sport where Northern teams get their rears handed to them by Southern teams. (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

Point is, all parts of the country have a flavor. I know that ours is one of decency and fairness. We live and let live by and large and respect folks that respect us. I’ve seen poor folks down here offer what little they can spare to help someone else in need, without expecting a reward or even a mention. It was the way they were raised. They are truly decent people and once you are here, you tend not to want to leave. Don’t believe me? Ask yourself how many Southerners retire to New York!

That said, as good as we are, don’t come trying to break into our homes or something silly like that, because unlike many NE states which gave up their second amendment rights like sheep, we down here eat, sleep and breathe the 2nd and don’t cater much to thieves, criminals or ne’er-do-wells of any sort.

Just saying…

archer52 on January 2, 2011 at 7:03 AM

What is the difference between Clinton pulling out his d*** and showing it off to strangers, and Favre’s? Did “Sean Gregory at Time” hold Bill Clinton accountable the way he calls for Favre to be held accountable?

I didn’t think so. Because playing football is so much more important than being the head of the Democrat Trash. Or maybe it’s because female football fans have higher standards than their Democrat women counterparts, who are more willing to do their duty, and to go down for the cause.

MNHawk on January 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM