Video: GOProud chief defends conservatism from MSNBC tool

posted at 7:42 pm on December 30, 2010 by Allahpundit

I wonder what inspired this booking. Did Uygur think Barron was going to come on and join him in a round of right-bashing because of the CPAC boycotts? Or was the point simply to have him on so that Uygur could laugh derisively for the benefit of MSNBC’s viewers when Barron inevitably defended conservatives? As background on this, read Gabe Malor’s post at Ace’s site this morning listing some of the socially conservative groups who still plan to attend CPAC notwithstanding GOProud’s participation. There is no “social con boycott” of the event; frankly, it does social conservatives a disservice to suggest that there is.

Barron does a nice job here but could have fielded Uygur’s question better about why so many Republicans voted against repealing DADT. There may be, as RCP argues, a generational gap on this question in Congress, with senators in their early 50s — even conservatives ones like Richard Burr — more prone to siding with the left on gay issues than older Republicans are. That’s perfectly in keeping with national polling showing more tolerance for gays among younger demographics. Which is to say, per Uygur’s critique, while the GOP hasn’t traditionally welcomed gays, it’s far more likely to do so in the future. Click the image to watch.


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Hitler biographer, John Toland, stated that Hitler was, “Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite the detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jews were the killer of god. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of god.”

toland also said:

John Toland’s Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography says this of Hitler’s Second Book published in 1928: “An essential of Hitler’s conclusions in this book was the conviction drawn from Darwin that might makes right.”

post you link, as I did in an earlier post. now how can these 2 diametrically opposed statements from the same author be true?

right4life on January 2, 2011 at 10:00 PM

@right4life i don’t have a god, nor do I think humans should try to worship invisible beings or each other. do try and remember this if you want me to try and pay attention to your screeds

Zekecorlain on January 2, 2011 at 4:00 PM

as an atheist you have a god in your own image…you. but of course all athiests bown down at the altar of the hairygod of evolution, darwin.

right4life on January 2, 2011 at 10:02 PM

so now you have to be a good christian to be a christian? interesting theology.

better to just leave it than muck about trying to pretend it all makes sense.

Zekecorlain on January 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

so now you have to be a good christian to be a christian? interesting theology.

Maybe you don’t have to always act like a good Christian in order to be a real one, but surely there is difference in the behavior of good Christians and the ones who are less than good.

better to just leave it than muck about trying to pretend it all makes sense.

Zekecorlain on January 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

It’s so cool and upstanding to be a person who tells others that they should adopt her/his beliefs/opinions/PsOV, as though doing so will make their lives better, isn’t it?

Just because you find Christianity to be nonsensical doesn’t mean it is nonsensical, does it? :)

Bizarro No. 1 on January 3, 2011 at 3:45 AM

this is laughable…when we kill the women and children.(With two atomic bombs).its OK…but when the God who gave them life says its time to kill them, then thats genocide. you really are beyond parody – right4life on January 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM

I guess you don’t know about the mass suicide of Japanese civilians when we invaded Okinawa in 1945. And, if you can make any bomb that won’t kill women and children, please let me know. Joshua’s army was

“commanded by God”

to put everyone to death in the city of Jericho. God did not command the American leadership to use two nuclear bombs to end a horrible war that could have gone on to killing millions upon millions more.

SC.Charlie on January 3, 2011 at 6:27 AM

“Oh, that is too funny coming from somebody who labels anyone who won’t toe the gay line a “homophobe.” Dialogue? Whatever for? To get shouted down and told to shut up and take your “bigotry” elsewhere if you won’t affirm homosexual behavior as fine and dandy?

Once again, why do we have to have “gay conservatives,” vs. “conservatives who happen to be gay?” If your entire identity surrounds your “sexuality” to the point that you form a group to advocate to promote “rights” for your “minority” then I have a hard time believing that you care very much about conservatism. That is GOProud in a nutshell, in my opinion. – JannyMae on January 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM”

It sounds like you don’t like gays and won’t be attending CPAC because teh gays have been invited, too bad. You might learn something. May I ask you what is the proper place of homosexuals in our society. Should they just be invisible and persecuted by our society as they once were?

SC.Charlie on January 3, 2011 at 6:36 AM

Once again, why do we have to have “gay conservatives,” vs. “conservatives who happen to be gay?” If your entire identity surrounds your “sexuality” to the point that you form a group to advocate to promote “rights” for your “minority” then I have a hard time believing that you care very much about conservatism. That is GOProud in a nutshell, in my opinion. – JannyMae on January 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM”

Think about your sexuality being homosexual, living in a world that is geared to being heterosexual. Not that it is wrong to be heterosexual.

SC.Charlie on January 3, 2011 at 10:31 AM

so now you have to be a good christian to be a christian? St. Paul’s interesting theology. better to just leave it than muck about trying to pretend it all makes sense. Zekecorlain on January 2, 2011 at 10:15 PM

1 Cor. 6:9-20-
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Akzed on January 3, 2011 at 10:38 AM

. It’s hard to say he wasn’t a christian. Just because he bathed the world in blood and ruin doesn’t undo those things.

Zekecorlain on January 2, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Christopher Hitchens in God Is Not Great depicts Hitler as a pagan polytheist. Hitchens is not exactly known as a pro-Catholic booster. Argue with him.

Once Hitler and the Nazis came to power, they launched a ruthless drive to subdue and weaken the Christian churches in Germany. Evans points out that after 1937 the policies of Hitler’s government became increasingly anti-religious.

The Nazis stopped celebrating Christmas, and the Hitler Youth recited a prayer thanking the Fuhrer rather than God for their blessings. Clergy regarded as “troublemakers” were ordered not to preach, hundreds of them were imprisoned, and many were simply murdered. Churches were under constant Gestapo surveillance. The Nazis closed religious schools, forced Christian organizations to disband, dismissed civil servants who were practicing Christians, confiscated church property, and censored religious newspapers. Poor Sam Harris cannot explain how an ideology that Hitler and his associates perceived as a repudiation of Christianity can be portrayed as a “culmination” of Christianity.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0110.htm

13th December, 1941, midnight

“Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. (p 118-119)

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

Doesn’t sound Christian. Atheists who push this “Hitler was a Christian Crusader” meme have abandoned morality. Kind of like Hitler.

theCork on January 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Doesn’t sound Christian. Atheists who push this “Hitler was a Christian Crusader” meme have abandoned morality. Kind of like Hitler. – theCork on January 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM

You are right Hitler was not a friend of any church. However, he and Stalin were both raised in Christian schools. Both were madmen who recognized that religion was a powerful force. Hitler tried to transform it in Germany and Stalin tried to destroy it the Soviet Union. Hitler made the armed services loyal to him by making them swearing an oath to follow and defend the Fuhrer. The seed of democracy was young in Germany and had not taken root. Wilhelm II, the WWI Emperor of the German Empire, was a supporter of Hitler. In my opinion Wilhelm II was the idiot that made both Hitler and Stalin the leaders they were. What the heck were Germany’s war goals in WWI? He was first cousins through Queen Victoria of Great Britain, were the King of England and the Czar of Russia. WWI was something of a bad family fight that destroyed the rule of royal families in Europe.

I can’t find anything redeeming about the rule of either Hitler or Stalin. If only Napoleon had united Europe in the early 1800s under his enlightened rule. And, even as a American Southerner whose ancestors fought for the Southern cause, I praise Lincoln for keeping the Union together. Let’s all pray that as this country continues to grow we can work out our differences and remain the United States of America, the greatest nation on Earth.

Still this is off the thread topic.

SC.Charlie on January 3, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Historians might attribute the end of the Cold War to Gorbachev’s mother who was an ardent Orthodox Christian. In fact I think she even had him baptized.

SC.Charlie on January 3, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Threshing Flora, the fact that the Vatican did help some Nazi criminals escape prosecution is well-known. Go to Google and type in: Nazi criminals helped by Vatican

SC.Charlie on January 2, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Hi, SC.Charlie, but what the Vatican did or did not do was not being questioned. What was being questioned is the claim that Adolf Hitler was a Christian. Yes, he made statements in support of the Christian faith, but he also made statements denying the Christian faith. He did both.

Go to Google and type in: Hitler and Christianity. You will find no shortage of websites from Christians and atheists/skeptics/etc. with quotations that support their position. Go figure.

We cannot know what he truly believed, all we have is the witness of his words and deeds, and he left a witness heinous and evil beyond words, and a witness that also contradicted itself.

It is disingenuous to pretend that contradictory statements (and practices) of Hitler’s do not exist. But then again pretense is the only way to sustain a “discussion” in which one accuses Christians of not admitting the obvious, while ignoring the inconvenient obvious yourself. (I mean the hypothetical “yourself,” not you personally. You have been more than fair and quite the stalwart in a thread that has indeed gone off the rails.)

Threshing Flora on January 3, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Threshing Flora, Hitler was maniacal and used everything that would or might reinforce his power. He was the ultimate evil dictator …………………. and he ruled Germany and much of Europe. Sadly, even Joseph Kennedy, Roosevelt’s ambassador to Great Britain and the father of John F. Kennedy, thought that fascism was the future of Europe and was recalled by Roosevelt because of differences over such views. And, then some of his children served and died in WWII.

Of course the fascist movement includes Franco of Spain who went by the title of El Caudillo, which translates from Spanish to “The Leader”, and Mussolini, Il Duce, which translates in Italian to “The Leader”. Of course Hitler’s title was Der Fuhrer, which in German translates into “The Leader”. Franco kept Spain out of WWII and became a friend of the West in the Cold War.

I can only pray that CPAC listens to the group of invited gays/lesbians who have been invited. I am gay. I don’t define my being as only being gay. I am conservative. I am a intellectual. I am a Republican. I am a Christian. And, I believe in superiority of Western Civilization as being the best hope for a peaceful world.

SC.Charlie on January 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Only idiot historians will make such attributes. – blink on January 4, 2011 at 12:00 AM

Surely there many factors that led to the end of The Cold War. Only Gorbachev can what kind of factor his mother’s Christianity played.

SC.Charlie on January 4, 2011 at 11:07 AM

hmm I’m not sure, I suspect he will simply fail to be promoted.

Zekecorlain on January 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Good call. What did you base that conclusion on, your vast knowledge of the Navy?

Otis B on January 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM

It’s telling that you believe Gorbachev ended the cold war. – blink on January 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Do you think that Gorbachev had no role in ending the Cold War? If what happened in 1989 had happened when Khrushchev was in power, Russian tanks would have been rolling down the streets of Berlin. When Brezhnev died the ruling Politburo continued to appoint old men who kept dying off and then they settled on the younger Gorbachev. Reagan’s tough policies and Gorbachev’s policies, remember Glasnost, both ended the Cold War.

SC.Charlie on January 4, 2011 at 7:14 PM

LMAO. The policy of bankruptcy(by an atheistic humanist utopia) are lauded as heroic and christian by the charlie.

sooper!

Inanemergencydial on January 4, 2011 at 9:25 PM

LMAO. The policy of bankruptcy(by an atheistic humanist utopia) are lauded as heroic and christian by the charlie.

sooper! – Inanemergencydial on January 4, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Does North Korea ring a bell in your empty head. If any country that should not exist and be easy to topple, it should be North Korea. It is down and out, yet holds on to power by mere force and indoctrination of its people. The same way the mad mullahs of Iran are doing.

In no way I am not lauding the Christianity of the Soviet Empire. It was an atheist state. But Gorbachev’s mother was Christian and raised him as a Christian. I am just thankful that Gorbachev did not order his military into the field to try to stop it. Along with giving credit to Reagan the other night, I should have given credit to Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II. They too played key roles in the non-violent collapse of the Evil Soviet Empire. The non-violent collapse of such a huge empire is not something that usually happens.

SC.Charlie on January 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM

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