California’s Central Valley: Zimbabwe West?

posted at 10:07 am on December 30, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Until recently, California’s Central Valley was one of the nation’s most productive agricultural regions.  Not only did it feed itself, the state of California, and the entire country, it also produced exports to other nations.  That kind of enterprise employed a lot of people in Central California, from farm hands to wholesalers, and created a high standard of living.

That continued right up to the moment that the federal government got more concerned over the Delta smelt, a small, inedible fish, than feeding people.  A court order cut off water deliveries for seven months out of the year to the Central Valley at the same time a drought hit, and the combination turned a once-fertile breadbasket to the world into a Dust Bowl — or as Investors Business Daily suggests, a government-initiated agricultural disaster on the same order as Zimbabwe today or Ukraine in the 1930s.   Monica Showalter reports that the region that once fed the world now faces widespread hunger as a result:

Local newspapers and Fresno County officials are trying to rally Facebook users to vote for Fresno in a corporate contest sponsored by Wal-Mart for $1 million in charity food donations for the hungry. Fresno, a city of 505,000, has taken the national lead because 24.1% of Fresno’s families are going hungry.

Civic spirit is good, but something big is wrong here. Fresno is the agricultural capital of America. More food per acre in more variety can be grown in the fertile Central Valley surrounding this community than on any other land in America — perhaps in the world.

Yet far from being a paradise, Fresno is starting to resemble Zimbabwe or 1930s Ukraine, a victim of a famine machine that is entirely man-made, not by red communists this time, but by greens.

State and federal officials, driven by the agenda of environmental extremists, have made it extremely difficult for the valley’s farms, introducing costly environmental regulations and cutting off critical water supplies to save the Delta smelt, a bait fish. It’s all driving the economy to collapse.

In the southwest part of the Central Valley, water allotments as low as 10% of normal have created a visible dust bowl. The knock-on effect can be seen in cities like Fresno, where November’s unemployment among the packers, cannery workers and professional fields that make agriculture productive stands at 16.9%.

It isn’t just Fresno, although it appears to have taken the worst of the crisis.  Besides Fresno, four other Central Valley cities got listed in the bottom ten of MarketWatch’s 2010 survey on the worst places to do business in the US.  Fresno came in dead last at 102 on the list.

The collapse has another element to it for Californians as well.  The state has a huge budget shortfall, currently estimated around $26 billion, and cannot afford to expand safety-net programs to help the Central Valley.  One reason the budget hole is so large is because of the lack of revenue from normally-robust agricultural production in that region.  Instead of being a net revenue producer, the Central Valley threatens to become a sinkhole of welfare spending that will hasten the bankruptcy of the nation’s largest state, and an economy that would normally rank among the top 10 in the world if considered as a nation unto itself.

This is entirely the result of federal government intervention in agriculture, which might be understandable if it was intended to help agriculture.  Instead, it comes as a hostile act to both the people of the region and Americans as a whole.  Thanks to the collapse of the Central Valley, food prices will increase as we have to import more from countries with much less strict environmental controls, which is merely an inconvenience.  The starvation that has begun is more than an inconvenience — it is a national embarrassment, and a moral outrage.

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Control food and water = control of people.

Akzed on December 30, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Well…there are more of us, than there are of them. ;)

capejasmine on December 30, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I hit submit to soon. lol

I wanted to add….it’s to bad a majority of Californians feel the same way as Government, or they’d have voted out the twits that are doing this to them.

capejasmine on December 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Hot Air is really late in recognizing this atrocity.

chalons on December 30, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Not true chalons, HA posted an article about this at least two years ago (if not longer) when the water started being shut off.

All I can say is “stupid is as stupid does.” The commie greens don’t do anything based on sound science, instead it is all based on emotion and the results are bad environmental policies, do some research on MTBE and its effect of our ground water all thanks to the green commies.

As for those in California asking for our prayers I will tell you that I left Cali almost 18 years ago and for good reason…I guess you could say I saw the writing on the wall of the fall of the once great state of Cali to the liberal idiots. It’s very difficult to feel sympathy for the people of Cali when they re-elect a ZERO like Brown after the Shiite job he did the first time as governor and as mayor of Oakland, yet the people of Cali re-elected him again…that says it all and it’s very difficult for those of us non-Cali’s to be sympathetic toward Cali’s. After all, what is the definition of insanity…insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result therefore most of us outside Cali believe most Cali’s are insane!

As I said earlier…stupid is as stupid does!

Liberty or Death on December 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

I was discussing California with a Trucker, that often has a shipment to deliver to California. Soon their emission standards are going to be so stringent it will be difficult for Trucks to deliver into California. So not only will the state not be able to rely on locally grown food and products, they are going to have a tough time getting products delivered into the California. It’s a mess, when do they figure out they skrewed themselves?

Dr Evil on December 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Just keep electing Barbara Boxer, everything will be okay…

d1carter on December 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM

So what does Governor Libtard Brown do? Raise taxes!

“Californians’ tax relief could be short-lived
Temporary taxes enacted in 2009 are set to expire but some legislators would like to extend them to help balance the budget as the state faces a $28-billion deficit.”

The top tax rate of 9.6% starts at $46,000 here in California. So just by moving to Texas, Florida, or Arizona, you’re already 10% better off. Not to mention the overall vastly lower cost-of-living.

Apologetic California on December 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM

When I read stories like this, I wonder why Atlas Shrugged is listed in the fiction section.

PackerBronco on December 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM

Bingo. That has occurred to me time and time again, and not just with Kalifornia. Rand saw it coming.

iurockhead on December 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM

When I read stories like this, I wonder why Atlas Shrugged is listed in the fiction section.

PackerBronco on December 30, 2010 at 10:43 AM

To the same end, when the movie comes out next year I think it should be listed as a horror film – onnacounta it’s gonna scare the **** out of some people.

Oh, well…

Who is John Galt?

turfmann on December 30, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Baca: Water is necessary, but not sufficient. Examples: fuel prices will soon skyrocket here because of insane California self-imposed “air quality” bunko legislation; employment laws are outrageous. California legislation that drives other businesses out of state impacts farming operations as well.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM

not by red communists this time, but by greens.

When are people going to realize that these greens are commies?

esnap on December 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Oh and to the last quoted person, f*ck you too buddy.

pseudonominus on December 30, 2010 at 10:57 AM

California may have, at one time, been a great place to live.

It no longer is as you yourself have said.

But for the grace of the ballot box, many other places would be like California. California is the way it is BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA ALLOWED IT TO DETERIORATE INTO A CESSPOOL!

Don’t get po’d at people who aren’t willing to give yet another Californian yet another pass for how your state turned out. Most of the people of the rest of the country have had it with trying to help you folks out. We’re not going to bang our heads against the wall anymore lamenting the problems of a state who continues to put the barrel of a gun in their mouths and pull the trigger.

If you don’t like it, pack up your bags and GTFO! There are plenty of other places to live which would welcome you with open arms.

But leave the self-righteous condescension at the state line.

*END OF LINE*

catmman on December 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM

24.1% of Fresno’s families are going hungry.

What a coincidence that 24.1% of Fresno families are in the country illegally. Sure, 40 years ago, Fresno was an Ag town. We used to drive through the San Juaquin Valley on our way to Sacramento. Mile after mile of every crop imaginable. Today, Fresno, Bakersfield, Stockton, Modesto have all become gang infested sh*tholes.

Mexicans stopped coming here for work 20 years ago…Our main attraction is the free welfare they get as soon as they cross the border. Now Barry wants to raise the minimum wage, which is going to attract a few million more.

I’ve lived here since 53 and there are no amount of words to describe the decline of this State. California business’ have made billions in profits from what has amounted to slave labor over the years and this toilet of a State is what’s left.

Our biggest employer is the government which hires the laziest and least motivated people their union can buy. Our teachers make 6 figure salaries and produce the most ignorant kids in the country. Schools in gang infested Modesto are at a 50% dropout rate. What little voice the voters have left in this State is taken away by our activist courts. We vote…they sue. Top that off with a corrupt State Assembly whose speaker enjoys sodomizing other men and you get California’s recipe for failure.

After living here for almost 60 years if I could sum up in one word what the cause of all this was….Greed.

repvoter on December 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Scariest words to hear:

“I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

Ay Uaxe on December 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

I hope the Delta Smelt are tasty!

Mo_mac on December 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Liberty or Death at 11:16
We are controlled by public-employee unions. They out spend and thereby defeat every effort to bring sanity to anything here in California.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 11:27 AM

But is there a McDonalds in the area?

docflash on December 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM

“…not by red communists this time, but by greens.”
Wrong. The Greens are simply tools of the Communists and are a part of their long term program to destabilize and ultimately undermine the American way of life.

Bootleghooch on December 30, 2010 at 11:30 AM

t’s a mess, when do they figure out they skrewed themselves?

Probably never. Just like the elite intellectuals here who claim that socialism has never lived up to it’s promised success because it has not been correctly implemented, they will find a way to blame their miserable failures on everyone else: e.g., California’s carbon-reduced utopia will fail because the other states didn’t adopt similar programs.

I actually heard a lib intellectual say that the decline in California’s agriculture is a net benefit because it opens up markets for poorer nations in Central and South America. The attitude is let’s skrew ourselves in the name of social and economic justice. You folks in other state beware… CA moonbats have spent all of their own money and they’ll be coming after yours soon.

Kalifornia Kafir on December 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Don’t blame the fish, blame the people who decided that the fish was more important than the people. Or for that matter, all of the other living creatures that thrive around the farmland of the Central Valley.

hawksruleva on December 30, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Who on here is blaming the fish? I think most of us on here have more sense than that.

silvernana on December 30, 2010 at 11:33 AM

repvoter at 11:23
I’ve lived here almost as long as you, and I agree with everything you say except for your conclusion. I attribute the destruction to liberalism.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM

KK at 11:31
But Obama is doing the same thing regarding drilling: sending money to Brazil to facilitate their drilling operations while shutting ours down.
What is happening in California is a harbinger of what Obama is trying to bring the all of our once-great country.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 11:38 AM

The top tax rate of 9.6% starts at $46,000 here in California. So just by moving to Texas, Florida, or Arizona, you’re already 10% better off. Not to mention the overall vastly lower cost-of-living.

Apologetic California on December 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Everyone complains about liberal Californicators moving to others states and contaminating them, but at least it is the upper income/intelligence people that are so motivated. Doesn’t say much for the genetic future of California.

pedestrian on December 30, 2010 at 11:38 AM

The Grapes of Wrath in reverse.

Wouldn’t a breeding program to seed the Delta Smelt elsewhere have been less costly and more sane?

Two things government doesn’t do well.

profitsbeard on December 30, 2010 at 11:40 AM

pseudonominus on December 30, 2010 at 10:57 AM

I am happy to pray for you and I know it’s hard to change the politics when you are out numbered. Y’all need a very vocal Tea Party. With that much unemployment you should be able to gather an impressive crowd. Do it often. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease and right now the econuts are louder.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2010 at 11:41 AM

This is entirely the result of federal government intervention in agriculture,

….and liberal activism gone wild.
This beautiful and once very prosperous state is killing itself from the inside out but continues to stay on bended knee to the liberal politicians that got them in this mess.

This is O/T but is another example of the hypocrisy and idiocy that permeates from the liberal leaders in California:

Playboy mansion? More like a squalid prison: Former Playmates tell of ‘grubby’ world inside Hugh Hefner’s empire

The Daily Mail
By David Leafe
Last updated at 12:43 PM on 30th December 2010

Hef and his liberal mag Playboy exemplify the hypocrisy of liberalism at it’s best.Women are nothing more than m@sturb@tory chess pieces to be played with by this Hollywood icon who is supported by liberals far and wide.

For decades Hef projected the open minded,free love,anything goes, lifestyle that laughed at monogamy,long term relationships,and the “suburban” lifestyle.

But the truth being exposed shows an insecure hypocrite that has more “rules” and “regulations” than you would find in any Catholic school.
This liberal icon who preached “free love and sex for everybody” is nothing more than a cheap pimp imitation of Jim Baker propped up by Viagra and a faux Romeo status through “rules,regulations,and bunny propaganda”.

I have been married for over 20 years to a beautiful,perfect woman. We have a lovely daughter,dogs,and a great house…..and I know dam# well that I am much happier than this silk robed charlatan that spent a lifetime ridiculing my lifestyle and beliefs.

Baxter Greene on December 30, 2010 at 11:43 AM

I recall when the Central Valley was actually part of the USA.

hindmost on December 30, 2010 at 11:10 AM

That is why the central valley doe not produce more than the USA

burt on December 30, 2010 at 11:45 AM

Pray for us, instead of the regular “F*ck California!” attitude usually displayed by out-of-staters.
pseudonominus on December 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM

________________________

Yup,pseudonominus, I’m praying for you and sincerely hope you make it. BUT, the very 1st time CA comes to the rest of us and asks for a bailout……Sorry! F.U.

alwyr on December 30, 2010 at 11:45 AM

I thought all these libs are huge believers in evolution. Let the Delta Smelt evolve or parish, survival of the fittest. This hurts everyone since Florida is experiencing weird weather that will impact crops and food prices. I assume the mud slides wouldn’t have been as devastating if there had been crops and foliage to slow the run off.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM

I moved to Visalia – in the Central Valley in 1990. Had my last child there. I helped my sister with her large farm. We grew almonds, oranges, pear apples and olives. I left in 2000. Spent a month in the area at the end of last year.

Zimbabwe is a good descriptor. I went by our old farm and saw nothing but dust and starving trees.

The posters here are correct. Tulare and Fresno Counties are hard working, blue collar people dependent on agriculture and hold mostly conservative values. I used to jokingly call it the Bible Belt of the West. I still have two sisters there. One is a teacher who brags about her coming lavish retirement, the other hopefully getting out as soon as she can.

I cry for my Country and pray for us in 2011. Happy New Year to you all at HA.

seesalrun on December 30, 2010 at 11:47 AM

My Mom lived in Fresno from the time she was about 10 until she married my Dad (approx. 1928 until 1944). She managed a cattle auction yard outside of town for about 7 years. This is one time I can say I am glad she is not alive to see what has happened to her beloved Central Valley.

I’ve been following this story for at least 2-1/2 years. The first time I realized what was going on was when I saw a story on the news about farms getting rid of avocado trees because they required too much water. I could not understand at the time why anyone would be getting rid of a really lucrative cash crop like avocados and thought it was just an isolated incident due to drought. Then I discoverd the Delta Smelt. It’s another situation where liberals put the life of a lesser member of the animal kingdom above the lives of humans or the economic disaster that results from liberals’ actions/decisions.

Kalifornia Kafir has it exactly right when he states the liberal viewpoint that:

. . . the decline in California’s agriculture is a net benefit because it opens up markets for poorer nations in Central and South America. The attitude is let’s skrew ourselves in the name of social and economic justice.

Those currently running this country and making disastrous decisions truly believe that America must be debased so that other countries can rise. I think that will be cold comfort when tomatoes cost $10 each.

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

not by red communists this time, but by greens.
When are people going to realize that these greens are commies?

esnap on December 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Yesterday, there was a documentary on The History Channel. It was about cults. They talked about Jim Jones, and how he was an extreme liberal, and he read the works of Marx, Mao, Lenin. They mentioned these 3 murdering dictators as Progressive Socialists.

We have those in our own government, and they’re extremely proud of that fact, and aren’t ashamed of letting everyone know it.

How in the he!! did we get to this point? Were we that asleep? How can we demean the lives of all that fought against communism, and died for that cause? I just don’t get it! It’s a sad day in America, when we no longer stand for freedom, and liberty…and millions out there, beg for, and thrive on the notion of a communist regime ruling us.

capejasmine on December 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Government-Induced Agricultural Disaster

GIAD

Jihad

Kafir on December 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Baxter Greene on December 30, 2010 at 11:43 AM

link:

Playboy mansion? More like a squalid prison: Former Playmates tell of ‘grubby’ world inside Hugh Hefner’s empire

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1342643/Hugh-Hefners-Playboy-mansion-like-squalid-prison-say-Playmates.html#ixzz19cAqmlaD

Baxter Greene on December 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2010 at 11:46 AM

The only thing wrong with your thinking is that it doesn’t utilize Lefty Logic.

See, it is the fault of MANKIND that the smelt is in danger. Evolution has nothing to do with it you see. Lefty Logic tells us the smelt is exactly how it should be and we should protect it from the blight of the evil HUMAN.

catmman on December 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM

seesalrun on December 30, 2010 at 11:47 AM

My aunt, Tennie Murphy, lived all her married life in Visalia (Sunset Drive, I think — they (husband George) used to be part owners of a motel downtown). She died about 6 years ago. One of her sons, Ed Murphy, was an UPS driver for years in the area. He passed away around 4 years ago leaving his wife, Kitsy, and two grown children, Christie and Larry. I think Larry got into some trouble but don’t really keep up with my cousins on the west coast as they were all much older than I.

It is so sad to hear a first hand account of the conditions around the area. It used to be known as the breadbasket of the world. :(

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM

We can’t drill, but we have the resources to do so as we watch gas go to astronomical heights. How in God’s name do we stop the madness?

silvernana on December 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM

PITCHFORKS and TORCHES!

belad on December 30, 2010 at 11:57 AM

To the same end, when the movie comes out next year I think it should be listed as a horror film – onnacounta it’s gonna scare the **** out of some people.

Oh, well…

Who is John Galt?

turfmann on December 30, 2010 at 11:18 AM

I seriously doubt that Hollywood will not contort AS into something that it is not. Wesley Mooch will be the hero, and John Gault the villian, if the Hollywood crowd’s tendencies hold.

iurockhead on December 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM

catmman on December 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM

I do indeed have a problem with Lefty logic because it is nothing of the sort. Starving the world for bait does not compute. It’s time to get loud.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM

Ya get the government you vote for. Maybe if Kalifornians STARVE for awhile, they’ll pay attention to the idiots that they’re sending to Sacramento and Washington.

As for the greenies….they’re getting more and more unpopular each day. They oppose everything, including wind energy and desalination. Too bad we can’t just round them all up and drop them in the Amazon jungle. Let them become one with nature.

GarandFan on December 30, 2010 at 11:59 AM

… and that scenario is why the feds will bail us out with YOUR money… because that lesson cannot be allowed to be learned.

hindmost on December 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Too big to fail, huh? I think this was a bad year for the progressives because of the census. The heavily Democrat states are in the tank and the Red states are healthy. Population migration is heading for low tax, pro business states. Liberal policies will be easily exposed in spite of the MSM!

cartooner on December 30, 2010 at 12:00 PM

How in the he!! did we get to this point? Were we that asleep? How can we demean the lives of all that fought against communism, and died for that cause? I just don’t get it! It’s a sad day in America, when we no longer stand for freedom, and liberty…and millions out there, beg for, and thrive on the notion of a communist regime ruling us.

capejasmine on December 30, 2010 at 11:49 AM

We weren’t asleep as much as we were afraid. From the time that Joe McCarthy went down in flames, every time our side tried to take a stand against anything, we were accused of “McCarthyism”.

Republicans/Conservatives were taught to be ashamed of “Tail Gunner Joe”‘s actions. It turns out that though McCarthy finally went a tad too far, he was spot on about all the subversive elements in our society. Like him or hate him, as long as J. Edgar Hoover was in charge of the FBI, those elements were kept to a dull roar. When Hoover went, so did the checks on the true threats that have infiltrated American society.

Political correctness run amok put the final nail in the coffin. No one was supposed to say anything bad about anything. Free speech is only for liberals, dontcha know?

It has taken until we are at the brink and maybe going over the falls in a barrel before we all dared to speak up. Whether or not we found our tongues in time is yet to be revealed.

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2010 at 12:04 PM

My family drove from Orange County to the Bay Area in November for the first time in 2 years and we stunned by what we saw and by what we didn’t see. From horizon to horizon in the Central Valley there was nothing growing but tumbleweeds. Entire nut tree farms had been clearcut down to stumps. Where you would previously drive for hours surrounded by truck farms producing the fruit and vegetables for the entire nation there was literally nothing under cultivation – for hours! Unbelievable man made disaster (say, isn’t that Obama-speak for terrorism?).

Others have referred to the article in NRO 2 weeks ago – it is a must read: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255320/two-californias-victor-davis-hanson . Sad to say this economic and cultural scorched earth effort is destroying Orange County as well.

For all the CA haters, please take a look at the electoral map of the state and see that aside from LA and Bay Area, the state is red. We are just out-numbered by those population centers.

Finally, the left here in CA figured out in the 1980′s that controlling water resources means controlling the state. You can see where anti-growth activists have been stealth candidates for local water boards and sought to halt all suburban development by not allotting water for new single family housing, etc. This tactic will spread to other states as well. Local elections do matter…

in_awe on December 30, 2010 at 12:09 PM

How this article by Victor Davis Hanson who actually biked around the area was not used in this post is beyond me but it is a strong supplement to it. Third world conditions in my own backyard.

CTDeLude on December 30, 2010 at 12:10 PM

My wife was born and raised in Clovis, and my mother and sister in law still live there. It’s tragic what has happened to that area, yet it gets zero media play.

TexasDan on December 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM

We’re socialists, its what we do!Hope n Chains, baby!

james23 on December 30, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Did anyone ever consider the difference in the loss of the Delta Smelt (heartbreak) compared to the loss of food? And then my cynicism kicks into gear and I want to follow the money. Someone is going to scoop up this land at a song and do what with it? There is more to this than meets the eye.


Baxter Greene on December 30, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Ewwwww!!!

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2010 at 12:17 PM

For all the CA haters, please take a look at the electoral map of the state and see that aside from LA and Bay Area, the state is red. We are just out-numbered by those population centers.

in_awe on December 30, 2010 at 12:09 PM

No disrespect, but at what point does your survival instinct kick in and allow you to separate your red sector from the commie sector?

james23 on December 30, 2010 at 12:17 PM

repvoter wrote:

I’ve lived here since 53 and there are no amount of words to describe the decline of this State. California business’ have made billions in profits from what has amounted to slave labor over the years and this toilet of a State is what’s left.

I was born and raised in California’s Central Valley. I worked in the orchards from the time I was ten until I left to go to college and I agree the decline of this state is beyond words to describe. But I disagree that CA business by and large paid slave labor wages.

California what I call a fourth world state: A former first world state that has rotted itself out with government corruption, taxes, regulations, and enforced PC behaviors until nothing is left except a thin rich upper class and a vast mass of poor and the soon to be poor.

However, it is not true that farmers always paid ‘slave’ wages. I can speak for the 50s and 60s when for example farm labor paid far more than minimum wage and was competitive with construction and other blue collar in terms of pay.

That was a time when farmers and laborers were more cooperative and understood they needed each other and acted appropriately. Money flowed in a symbiotic nature resulting in decent, in some cases even very good, wages. And food was inexpensive.

But as the 60s advanced, activists began to demonize farmers in efforts to politically organize farm laborers. Farmers and laborers, once naturally cooperative, quickly became nasty adversaries.

Lower pay resulted as the good will that had money flowing in a symbiotic nature was horded and squeezed by both sides and that is where matters stand today.

DrDeano on December 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Too big to fail, huh?

Nope; too liberal to fail. The rest of the country must not be allowed to learn the lessons that leftism is in and of itself a failed ideology. Therefore the other 56 states will be told they must be “compassionate” and “do it for the children” of California. You’re already sending us $40M a day (I think someone posted that upthread) to supplement our unemployment “benefits.” That’s only the tip of the iceberg to come.

Best thing you can do for California: Let Us Burn.

hindmost on December 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM

Disgusting.

angryed on December 30, 2010 at 12:21 PM

PROGRESSIVES GOAL:

A world of one billion manageable people (that they can rule over of course).

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=one+billion+people%2C+manageable&rlz=1R2DMUS_en&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=7b989c6c17f79c85

What’s happenening in bringing America down falls right in line with reaching that goal (Central valley/Obamacare/EPA regs/energy restrictions/etc.).

DOTUS and his minions are working on mandating/regulating and legally binding us 24/7.

PappyD61 on December 30, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Lower pay resulted as the good will that had money flowing in a symbiotic nature was horded and squeezed by both sides and that is where matters stand today.

DrDeano on December 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM

That goes for any industry that was unionized. Auto, steel, airlines, electronics, you name it. As soon as it was unionized, it went to shit.

angryed on December 30, 2010 at 12:23 PM

Greyledge Gal on December 30, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Actually, the Central Valley’s claim to fame was “feeding the world”. It was magnificent. From Lemon Cove at the foothills of the mighty Sequoias, where they grew kiwis and lemons up north to Modesto, with miles and miles of oranges, it was simply one of the most beautiful places on earth.

Walnuts, almonds, and let me not forget grapes and SunMaid’s massive raisin facilities in Victor Davis Hanson’s neighborhood in Selma, olives,nectarines, I could go on and on. Just west of there in the Los Banos area, on the way to San Francisco are the vegetable farms, you’ll note when you buy lettuce and such.

I try my best to make sense of this smelt fiasco, it hurts my brain and my soul to think that there is a conspiracy to “smoke out” the doers in this Country and deplete the supply of fresh food to the rest of the Country. For what ends? What could the motivation be? For a fish the size of an index finger? Makes no sense. I have no answer.

I have been watching this story for two years.The absolute majority of the farms I knew were family owned. Yes, they sold to major Companies, but they were dependent only on themselves and their hard work. Crime was little to none.

I left because of a job opportunity in Las Vegas. I was happy to go as crime and drugs were definitely on the rise and I had three small children. Two were in school and I had issues with the education system as well. Las Vegas was not the best either, so I have finally settled in the South and have set my sights on being as self-sufficient as possible. I make gains daily and have a sense that my local and state government will protect my rights. What friends I have left in California, a handful, do not feel the same.

It was a magical place. When I returned last winter I left with a very heavy heart. I hope and pray for the farmers there. I hope they can hold on.

God Bless.

seesalrun on December 30, 2010 at 12:26 PM

hindmost at 12:18 is correct: The California liberal elite are confident that Obama will not allow California to fail. It is too big and too blue.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 12:26 PM

. It turns out that though McCarthy finally went a tad too far, he was spot on about all the subversive elements in our society.

Bullshit!!!

darwin-t on December 30, 2010 at 12:29 PM

This is criminal.

antisocial on December 30, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Pray for us, instead of the regular “F*ck California!” attitude usually displayed by out-of-staters.

pseudonominus on December 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM
I hate to be crass, but I’ll let my wife pray for you.

As far as I’m concerned, “F*ck California!”

catmman on December 30, 2010 at 10:34 AM

The FedGov is going to bail out CALIFORNIA/NEW YORK/ILLINOIS and anywhere else that UNION PENSIONS or benefits are threatened………then the DEMS/Progressives will have the MEDIA frame the Conservatives/GOP as the party that wants to hurt the little guys and let bad things happen to all the peoples in these states. The GOP will of course cave in and the these states will never vote GOP again.

WE’RE ALL GOING TO BAILOUT THESE UNIONS until the Federal Government is forced to seize private property to pay it’s debts.

Show me how it ends any other way but slavery to the Federal Government?

PappyD61 on December 30, 2010 at 12:29 PM

Were this an “evil corporation” denying these farmers water so that it could make a profit, libs would be protesting in the streets and Hollywood would be making a movie staring Brad Pitt.

But since it’s the government doing it for fish….crickets.

29Victor on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM

My last trip to California was about a year ago, for business. All of us that made the trip from east of the Mississippi were immediately struck by how many rules and regulations they had. From getting rides from the airport to rules posted when checking in at the hotel. The sad part is the people in California don’t even realize how much their lives are dictated by edict. We were all ready to leave after a week, especially after suffering sticker shock at the prices.

I dare say most Californians could not survive outside of California. They are so used to everything being decided for them that they have no idea how to act if they had to sort of fend for themselves. I think the biggest reason most people don’t leave is fear. Fear that they may have to make some decisions for themselves. I was so glad to leave the place and I think our upper level management has decided that from now on our get togethers will stay on this side of the Mississippi even if it is Maine, which rumor has it does have something approximating summer sometime in August.

Just A Grunt on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Boycott California

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:45 PM

unreal , why can’t they build some sort of surface bypass structures for the smelt like they do for salmon?

Yes idiots shooting themselves in the foot again and again someday will shoot themselves in the bum!

pabo on December 30, 2010 at 12:48 PM

I have to say that I am astounded by the speed of the decline. Amazing.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Just A Grunt at 12:36
We still live here because we are close to our kids and grandkids. I don’t agree with your “fear” opinion, having neither seen nor heard anything that supports that. We are not comforted by the never-ending rules and regulations.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 12:50 PM

We can’t drill, but we have the resources to do so as we watch gas go to astronomical heights. How in God’s name do we stop the madness?

silvernana on December 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM

PITCHFORKS and TORCHES!

belad on December 30, 2010 at 11:57 AM

The time is now before it is too late. Maybe it is already too late.

silvernana on December 30, 2010 at 12:52 PM

The sad part of all of this is that the Central Valley despite having 6 million people are just vastly outnumbered. They literally have no power since all the levers are controlled by Democrat libtards in the legislature and Brown. The only hope now is through the Republicans in the House such as Kevin McCarthy who is from Bakersfield.

Apologetic California on December 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM

As a lifetime resident of the Central Valley, I have a few points to add.

1) We are not to blame for the decisions out of Sacramento and DC. We are equally abhorred by the way our lush valley has been infiltrated and sucked dry by condescending government bureaucrats. We consistently vote in a conservative, small-government manner yet our vote is drowned out by the massive liberal populations amongst us.

2) Any local politician, Republican or Democrat, who has tried to sell us out on our ability to grow has been either thrown out of office or voted out at the soonest possibility. We have a low BS tolerance around here.

3) We share a special kinship with other conservatives of all stripes across the country. We have absolutely nothing in common with the airheads in LA or SF. They bewilder us as much as they bewilder you.

4) We appreciate the national attention that this situation is finally getting. The more pressure that can be put on our state governments and our representatives/senators in DC, the better. This absolutely should not be a left-right issue. This should be an American issue. We are proud to grow food for the rest of the country, and anyone in power who undermines that is not just an enemy of our state, but an enemy of the nation as well.

MB007 on December 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM

seesalrun:

Actually, the Central Valley’s claim to fame was “feeding the world”. It was magnificent. From Lemon Cove at the foothills of the mighty Sequoias, where they grew kiwis and lemons up north to Modesto, with miles and miles of oranges, it was simply one of the most beautiful places on earth.

I was born and raised in Modesto and could not agree more that California was “magnificent” and used to be a “magical place”.

Even north of Modesto was amazing from an agricultural perspective. That area provides a huge amount of rice to not only America, but to the world – it is my understanding that California provides more rice to Japan than any other nation does.

Back in those days we had a fantastic aerospace industry, lumber, massive food processing plants (I worked in Birdseye plant for a while when I was 17 – GREAT wages), health care was not an issue as first, it was inexpensive, and anyone who could not afford to pay went to the country run facilities for their medical needs.

Then the federal government stepped in with Medicare, Medicaid, etc. and in the process injected far too much money into the system causing severe medical service price inflation while at the same time rotting away quality of service with bureaucracy, regulation, red tape – and of course: Politics.

We did not have a problem with illegal aliens back then either. Many came here to work in the fields as seasonal workers some on work visas, others not (my grandfather was a farm labor contractor) returning year after year, forming work relationships and making enough money for them and their families to live extremely well all year round back in their homelands.

California from it’s beginning as a state until about the mid 70s was one of the best examples of what America could accomplish – both for the world and it’s own citizens.

That California is gone. Perhaps forever.

DrDeano on December 30, 2010 at 1:05 PM

But leave the self-righteous condescension at the state line.
catmman on December 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Pot, meet kettle.

pseudonominus on December 30, 2010 at 1:08 PM

I heard that what the politicians and their green cohorts such as Mary Nichols are really doing is trying to bankrupt the farmers there who are predominantly Republican. They plan to take the land and put in Windmill Farms and solar panels. When all this gets exposed people like Boxer and Feinstein are going to jail. Hopefully before the state implodes!

CCRWM on December 30, 2010 at 1:10 PM

52% of American voters voted for Obama a couple of years ago, and elected a Democrat majority in Congress and the Senate before that.

I guess Americans are too stupid to rule themselves and y’all should just run away somewhere else.

You want to know why the Democrats keep winning in California? Easy, two reasons: One, conservatives have packed their bags and ran away in droves. Two, Republicans would rather fight each other than Democrats.

Seriously, the worst flaw the Republicans have is that, when the boat is sinking, your first response is to try to cut the leaking part off, without thinking of how much water will come in through the hole you cut.

Hell, I’ll bet I WILL lose this fight, seeing as how everyone else ran away. But I don’t have any more damned hills to retreat to, and why should I? Y’all will just flee from that hill as well.

Merovign on December 30, 2010 at 1:12 PM

Stalin would be proud.

heshtesh on December 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM

My thought as well but at least he let the Ukraine produce the food before he took it and starved them. This makes no sense even by Stalin’s logic.

jnelchef on December 30, 2010 at 1:13 PM

Actually, the Central Valley’s claim to fame was “feeding the world”. It was magnificent. From Lemon Cove at the foothills of the mighty Sequoias, where they grew kiwis and lemons up north to Modesto, with miles and miles of oranges, it was simply one of the most beautiful places on earth.

seesalrun on December 30, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Yep. Decades ago, I drove from Berkely down the central valley and over the coastal mountains to Monterey. Seeing all those farms and the ocean in the far distance brought tears to my eyes it was so beautiful. Another time, I had to drive to Ventura and cut over from the valley via a two lane road and drove for miles surrounded by flowering peach trees.

Blake on December 30, 2010 at 1:14 PM

not by red communists this time, but by greens

One in the same. Liberalism is literally a religion, one with many faces. The green movement and communism are some of those faces.

That said, this is the Californians own dang fault. Stay the heck out of the rest of the country when your state goes under.

scotash on December 30, 2010 at 1:14 PM

The private sector is generally more incompetent than the public sector.

crr6 on June 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Del Dolemonte on December 30, 2010 at 1:20 PM

You want to know why the Democrats keep winning in California? Easy, two reasons: One, conservatives have packed their bags and ran away in droves. Two, Republicans would rather fight each other than Democrats.

Hell, I’ll bet I WILL lose this fight, seeing as how everyone else ran away. But I don’t have any more damned hills to retreat to, and why should I? Y’all will just flee from that hill as well.

Merovign on December 30, 2010 at 1:12 PM

That said, this is the Californians own dang fault. Stay the heck out of the rest of the country when your state goes under.

scotash on December 30, 2010 at 1:14 PM

Except you Merovign, though it sounds like you’re trying to hold the fort, you’re welcome anytime. If it gets too bad, it may be better to regroup than to go out like the Alamo in a blaze of glory.

scotash on December 30, 2010 at 1:21 PM

To the same end, when the movie comes out next year I think it should be listed as a horror film – onnacounta it’s gonna scare the **** out of some people.

Oh, well…

Who is John Galt?

turfmann on December 30, 2010 at 11:18 AM

The best thing is, even if the movie doesn’t do the book justice, it’ll get more people reading the book.

Since y’all might dig this… formerly JohnGaltGifts:
http://www.proudproducers.com/index.php

CPL 310 on December 30, 2010 at 1:22 PM

I wish I could have seen the Central Valley in its heyday. It must have been magnificent.

This is all very, very sad.

Missy on December 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM

seesalrun:

Actually, the Central Valley’s claim to fame was “feeding the world”. It was magnificent. From Lemon Cove at the foothills of the mighty Sequoias, where they grew kiwis and lemons up north to Modesto, with miles and miles of oranges, it was simply one of the most beautiful places on earth.

Even north of modesto for over 150 miles there was cattle ranches and massive rice farms (CA exports more rice to Japan than does any other nation).

Many don’t know that when California was at it’s height economically, Silicon Valley did not exist and that entire area was covered in lush orchards (Cherries and others) and other crops.

We had a very well-balanced economy with farming and food processing and shipping looming large, but challenged (in a good way for citizens) by aerospace, construction, general shipping, lumber, and so on.

California from it’s inception as a state until about the mid 70s was one of the best examples of what America could accomplish – both for the world and it’s own citizens. Back then we did not expect much from the government beyond providing our military and building roads, bridges, dams, etc. We depended on each other to do the right thing in terms of creating businesses that would employ people and produce goods and services that would help others.

As naive as it sounds today, it worked and worked magnificently.

I’m an optimist in that I know that the only thing stopping California from being “magical” again is a certain segment of it’s voters who are stupid, clueless and insulated.

DrDeano on December 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM

Read a book called Ecotopia. It is fiction, but seems to be coming into reality.

flyfishingdad on December 30, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Just A Grunt at 12:36
We still live here because we are close to our kids and grandkids. I don’t agree with your “fear” opinion, having neither seen nor heard anything that supports that. We are not comforted by the never-ending rules and regulations.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 30, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Honestly, people outside California have no idea. Like everything else, it’s so easy to point a finger and lampoon an entire population as useless or too braindead to move which is absolutely unbecoming of conservatives. This state alone, outside the liberals bastions of thought and lock step beliefs, is just majestic. From it’s mountains to the shores the beauty of this state cannot be denied. There’s not a moment on my drive inbetween SD and LA that I am not struck by how incredibly picturesque this state is. And nevermind that there are good people here. There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t groan for changes to be made nor desire to take part in actions to make those changes. Limited as I am by being a member of the Cal Guard there’s not a moment it doesn’t gnaw at me to see California return to a past glory where truly we were the future. I agree with one of the above posters that our best bet is to figuratively burn down right now. To be disabused of our notions of the government being our bastion of hope or that our future is in some green utopia that can only come through some form of hyper socialism. And just like the wildfires that visit this state renew the soil amidst their chaos so this challenge we face now renew us. It looks ugly and there’s no guarantee of brighter days but I stand fast to the belief that this heart I have for the state of California is not for nothing. But indeed a rejuvenation, even a resurrection from our ashes can happen because I also believe in the people around me.

We can only see what comes by I do not plan on standing idly by nor fleeing the state if there’s something I can do about it. Whether that means now or far in the future I have no idea, I leave that to God.

CTDeLude on December 30, 2010 at 1:34 PM

So what can we do about this, anything?

scalleywag on December 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM

This is just despicable.

Tell me Democrats. You claim the torch of justice as your own. You claim to be for the little guy. You claim to be the humanitarians for all time. Yet! You wish for people to go hungry, to save a bait fish, that can be reproduced in hatcheries, in multitudes?

Why do you want human beings to starve, while you dine on the finest nature can offer? Why????

capejasmine on December 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Because Democrats are sociopaths. Some people just live to see other people suffer, and to increase the misery of other people. Today’s Democrat Party — hell, government in general in America today — seems to be filled with such people.

Aitch748 on December 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM

As for California — well, good God almighty, they re-elected Jerry Brown. That’s like America electing Jimmy Carter to a second term in 2012. There’s a definite limit on how sorry you can feel for people who would do something like that.

Aitch748 on December 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM

It’s so sad. When driving to LA we see acres and acres of dead orchards. What insanity.

hestrold on December 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM

As for California — well, good God almighty, they re-elected Jerry Brown. That’s like America electing Jimmy Carter to a second term in 2012. There’s a definite limit on how sorry you can feel for people who would do something like that.

Aitch748 on December 30, 2010 at 1:58 PM

There you guys go again. They voted for this, they voted for that. They they they. You do realize there are a lot of good Conservatives in this state who didn’t vote Democrat, right? Any yet it is just so much fun for you to sit back and lampoon and snark. You are a bunch of hubristic ba$tards and you can s*ck it, my fiends.

pseudonominus on December 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Is there anything we can do about this?

scalleywag on December 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

So what can we do about this, anything?

scalleywag on December 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM

What can we do? Perhaps start a movement to save no only American Way of Life, but America as we know it. Is it the Tea Party? Perhaps.

But my friends this is not going to be an easy or attractive endeavor. It’s going to take action, at the voting booth, and in all areas of our lives. Like the liberal, who feather their nests with like minded people with similar goals, perhaps we conservatives will reach the same conclusions, and share the fruits of our labors, as long as we can, with those who fancy America the way it IS, not the way some would like it.

I am afraid the ones who wish to rule us are so totally incompetent that they will turn citizen against citizen and stop at nothing to achieve unicorn pie in the sky global equality. Hungry people are easily fooled.

Protect yourselves, your families and neighbors. I fear this could get ugly before we ultimately prevail. Americans will not lie down and take it. Not ones I know.

That’s my hope for 2011. I hope the smelt fails.

seesalrun on December 30, 2010 at 2:16 PM

CTDeLude on December 30, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Thank you for telling like it is. California has the most GOP voters by a mile. It also has the most active conservatives in the country. Considering how difficult the environment is, I’m pretty surprised we’re still here and fighting. But I don’t know, I have my doubts on how long we can hold on. The irony is that if conservatives just stayed here, it wouldn’t be so bad. Yet, they whine and b*tch their way out the door and wonder how come California isn’t becoming conservative. Seriously.

Central Valley was always and always has been California’s Appalachia. It never had a ‘golden age’, it was always something like this, but NEVER like this where it’s beating Indian reservations when it comes to low quality of life.

Apologetic California on December 30, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Well California? You’ve heard the expression “There must be something in the water?”

What would happen if that bitch Nancy Pelosi’s wine vineyard water was cut-off?? …..Yeah Right!

try again later on December 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Have to say this is pretty scary stuff Ed but fortunately I know lawyers for both parties and your description of the situation is completely false.

This is not a conflict between hard working farmers and a bunch of hippies trying to save a tiny fish. The local fishing industries also employ people and pay taxes.The farmers got what they wanted and even claimed victory after the summer mediation.

Rather than read this made up nonsense I would encourage Hot Air readers to look into this and geta more complete picture of what is really happening in the Valley and the impact of the wider economy.

Comparing this to collectivization and the ethnic cleansing of Zimbabwe’s farms is pathetic.

lexhamfox on December 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Is there anything we can do about this?

scalleywag on December 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

- Kill off all the smelt

- Riot and burn down the state capitol

- Amass a million man army of armed civilians, turn the water on and dare the federal or state government to interfere

- Have a judge declare the ruling unconstitutional

- Develop a weapon that instantly vaporizes all oppressive liberals around the world

I can’t think of anything else.

darwin on December 30, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Rather than read this made up nonsense I would encourage Hot Air readers to look into this and geta more complete picture of what is really happening in the Valley and the impact of the wider economy.

Comparing this to collectivization and the ethnic cleansing of Zimbabwe’s farms is pathetic.

lexhamfox on December 30, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Why don’t you tell us what’s really happening.

darwin on December 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM

Paul-Cincy on December 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM

No, it’s not right up there with Ukraine, Pol Pot and Mao. You’re a damn idiot. The people in CA can leave; they aren’t being held at gunpoint if they try to keep their food, they’re not reduced to eating dead family members or pets in order to not starve to death. There aren’t 10 million Californians dead because of this. It’s terrible, it’s liberal fascism, and it has to be stopped, but it’s not like the man made famines you name. That’s like saying the Russian Nord Ost siege by the Chechans is like the death camps at Auschwitz.

jnelchef on December 30, 2010 at 1:13 PM

It’s not THE Ukraine, its just Ukraine. It’s language and culture wouldn’t be dying out if people actually read about the country instead of using it as a convenient reference to throw out every once in a while. I guess maybe I should be grateful; when I was a kid teachers would downplay the famine if they even admitted it happened at all. In another 20 years who knows…? Maybe people will actually associate cossacks with Ukraine.

linlithgow on December 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM

California? You’ve heard the expression “There must be something in the water?”

What would happen if that b*tch Nancy Pelosi’s wine vineyard water was cut-off?? …..Yeah Right!!

try again later on December 30, 2010 at 2:25 PM

CTDeLude on December 30, 2010 at 1:34 PM

The prisoners on Alcatraz had a good view too. Just saying a prison by any other name is still a prison. How much is that nice weather and pretty scenery worth to you since it seems to be most used argument I hear from people in CA?

Besides it won’t be long before the legislature out there rations the amount of outside exposure you can have anyway. It’s for the good of the children doncha know. Nasty ultra violet rays and all that not to mention all the mercury seeping into the environment from all of those CFL bulbs dumped in the land fill.

Just A Grunt on December 30, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Is there anything we can do about this?

scalleywag on December 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM

How did we stop socialism after WWII? How did we roll back FDR’s brand of socialism? History should be our teacher, but I don’t know if anyone has written about this.

PattyJ on December 30, 2010 at 2:38 PM

The “progressives” in California are doing all they can in order to reduce the population of the state and drive the “riffraff” out (those people who work for a living and don’t live on trust funds).

They will be against anything that brings in jobs or might increase development. Ask Santa Cruz why they didn’t put in a desalinization plant, even though it has been approved several times … “because it will increase development”. The water shortage there acts as a natural constraint on development and that is what they want.

crosspatch on December 30, 2010 at 2:42 PM

I’m an optimist in that I know that the only thing stopping California from being “magical” again is a certain segment of it’s voters who are stupid, clueless and insulated.

DrDeano on December 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM

You forgot the illegals…

… who are told to vote only Democrat, or else the boogeyman will come in the night.

Seven Percent Solution on December 30, 2010 at 2:52 PM

The best thing to happen to Cali given the current situation is bankruptcy. Cali should be flushed down the toilet they created because this will force accountable change. My money is on Cali all the way.

In 10 years Cali will be back stronger then ever!

jbh45 on December 30, 2010 at 2:52 PM

No disrespect, but at what point does your survival instinct kick in and allow you to separate your red sector from the commie sector?

james23 on December 30, 2010 at 12:17 PM

Well, first of all I have never backed down from a fight and I’m not about to start now. I have become more involved in local politics and will expand my role in 2011-2012 to educate more fellow Californians about an alternative path with a future that doesn’t include confiscatory taxes and freedom robbing regulations.

I am not independently wealthy, so abandoning my home is not an option – unfortunately neither is selling it in today’s market. Next is the little matter of finding employment elsewhere in a recession when you are 58 and out of work. Let’s just say it isn’t easy – I know, I have tried.

It seems that we are on the cusp of some rational thought finally seeping into the brains of enough voters here to think we may be near bottoming out. With Governor Elect Brown already talking up bringing a tax measure to the June ballot, you know people have to take notice.

in_awe on December 30, 2010 at 3:51 PM

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