Video: Tucker Carlson says Vick should have been “executed” for dog killings

posted at 2:00 pm on December 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The subtext for this is obviously, “Oh, those wacky conservatives and their thirst for vengeance!”, but that isn’t really Tucker Carlson’s focus in this clip from his guest-hosting gig on Sean Hannity’s Great American Panel on Fox News Channel last night. Mediaite’s Glenn Davis makes this the story, rather than the vast majority of the discussion, which was Barack Obama’s decision to jump into the debate about Michael Vick and his second chance in football.

The conversation eventually turned to whether it was appropriate for Obama to weigh in on this matter at all (although, as the White House said, the primary focus of Obama’s discussion with Lurie was alternative energy) – golfer Ben Crenshaw, on the panel for some reason, came off as a Vick supporter but sounded unsure of whether the president should be discussing the matter. Republican strategist Leslie Sanchez voiced similar views, whereas Fox News contributor Doug Schoen didn’t see an issue with Obama’s comments.

The most notable aspect of the discussion, though, was still Carlson’s “executed” line, for the sheer extreme nature of it. There’s no question Vick has done terrible things, but to hear a pundit openly opine that a prominent person should have received the death penalty – and being completely sincere in doing it – is not something you’ll see too often.

Does Tucker really believe that Vick should have gotten the death penalty? I asked Tucker this morning what he meant by the statement, and he replied:

I love dogs — we have three — and I think what Vick did was horrifying and shockingly cruel. Executed? I don’t know. I do know that 19 months is a joke. People get more than that for tax evasion. He certainly shouldn’t be back in the NFL with Obama rooting for him. What the president said is disgusting. That’s the story as far as I’m concerned.

In other words, Tucker was exaggerating for effect in order to make the point that Vick’s time didn’t fit the crime. In that, Tucker is hardly alone. Vick remains controversial not just for his employment in the NFL, but also because of the sentence and his release. The sentence came as part of a plea bargain to a single felony count that normally carried a sentence of 12 months to 5 years in prison; Vick got 25 months and parole after 19 months, in keeping with federal sentencing guidelines. Other athletes have gotten off more easily. LeShon Johnson, a former NFL running back for the Packers, Giants, and Cardinals, got a five-year “deferred” sentence from a state charge in Oklahoma after investigators rescued 200 dogs and busted more than 20 people in a dog-fighting ring in 2005. NBA player Qyntel Woods got 80 hours of community service in 2005 for staging dogfights at his house in Oregon (again, state charges).

The problem to which Tucker objects is an issue with the law, rather than leniency on the part of the system. Unless and until the law is changed to assign more prison time for the crime, then Vick did an appropriate amount of time for a first-time offender under the law as it existed at the time. Once Vick got parole after serving most of the sentence, then he was certainly free to earn a living. The NFL can certainly be criticized for allowing him to return, although I disagree since Vick did his time, as can the Eagles for signing him to the contract. Reasonable people can disagree on those points.

However, the point of the segment was the curious and unprompted interjection of Barack Obama into the situation. He called to congratulate Jeffrey Lurie for giving Vick a second chance and showing that employers should allow for redemption. However, Vick’s talent was never in question, just his judgment off the field and his humanity. Certainly, employers should exercise discretion when hiring people, and that shouldn’t exclude felony convictions, especially when that includes something as horrific and disgusting as dogfighting and other animal cruelties to which Vick admitted. Lurie didn’t hire Vick for selfless reasons; he hired Vick to exploit his talent, and the investment has paid off well. Why that requires a presidential salute is beyond me.


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i think he meant FIRED not executed…right?? right????

moonbatkiller on December 29, 2010 at 3:04 PM

Execution – isn’t that pretty much what the Vikings did to Vick last night?

bw222 on December 29, 2010 at 3:04 PM

And still for those 4900 years doing what Vick and his peeps did was considered repulsive by most people.

angryed on December 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Maybe. Maybe Not.

After all, some modern cultures still get a kick out of killing and torturing mammals.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM

as repulsive as Vicks actions were Carlson’s words do not fare much better. Equally absurd was the One’s inability to pass up another teachable moment.

pc25 on December 29, 2010 at 3:06 PM

Allahpundit wanted to club TC a while back. How come you people railing about TC’s statement against Vick aren’t railing about AP’s statement against TC? Or, is it acceptable for some people to use hyperbole and others not to?

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

We expect hyperbole from Allahpundit, but Tucker Carlson who is a journalist should know better.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on December 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM

I said most people. There will always be the freaks.

angryed on December 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM

So professional sports shouldn’t be allowed to ban people? Gee, someone better get Pete Rose on the phone.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

professional sports teams shouldn’t be told by tucker carlson whom they’re allowed to hire.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 3:11 PM

It’s court ordered. He is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart. Jeesh!

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:26 PM

I understand that. But as long as other animals are being helped, that’s more important.

rbj on December 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM

The rhetoric is so incredibly dumb — Vick has paid his debt to society, serving 2 years in prison.

Leave the guy alone already.

Richard Romano on December 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Ever since Disney released Bambi, the soft-heart-softer-head crowd have been anthropomorphizing animals, valuing them as much as people.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Huh? Mankind has only had canines as its best furry friend for the past 5000 years or so.

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Huh? For at least 4900 of those years, dogs were servants & pets. Now they’re practically children & spouses.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

And still for those 4900 years doing what Vick and his peeps did was considered repulsive by most people.
angryed on December 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Who said it wasn’t repulsive?
What Vick did is extremely repulsive. And forgivable. Especially since he’s a changed man, according to people who know him a lot better than you do.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM

We expect hyperbole from Allahpundit, but Tucker Carlson who is a journalist should know better.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM

He does commentary. You are the one who should know better.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:18 PM

professional sports teams shouldn’t be told by tucker carlson whom they’re allowed to hire.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 3:11 PM

I don’t think Tucker ever applied for that job, squishy. But hey, you keep beatin’ the piss out of that strawman.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM

professional sports teams shouldn’t be told by tucker carlson whom they’re allowed to hire.

And posters shouldn’t tell journalists what they’re allowed to say?

Or something.

C’mon, he was giving his opinion. He wasn’t telling them what to do. It was a dumb opinion granted but….

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Michael Vick may have served his sentence, but he should still be a pariah among decent people in this country. I wonder how many dog lovers there are among the many who tackle him and if they are thinking of his animal abuse. Personally, I would love it if someone would take a cattle prod to his testicles while he was soaking wet. He got pretty beat up last night. I can’t stand to look at him because a person who does something like he did has to have their wires screwed up somewhere. And if it is in your DNA, you never get cured of it. You just have the bada$$ gene, and you are heartless.

I, however, do disagree with Tucker on the death penalty, and I think the jerk in the White House has more important matters to deal with instead injecting himself into this situation. It should not be worthy of a president’s interest.

silvernana on December 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

I understand that. But as long as other animals are being helped, that’s more important.

rbj on December 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM

No, you don’t understand. It was ordered and he is rich. Stop making excuses for him.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

I, however, do disagree with Tucker on the death penalty…

silvernana on December 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Oh brother! He wasn’t serious, fer crissakes!

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:23 PM

No, you don’t understand. It was ordered and he is rich. Stop making excuses for him.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Oh, he’s rich. Ok, he is the spawn of Satan than.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 3:25 PM

When Ed asked Tucker if he was serious, he said:

I love dogs — we have three — and I think what Vick did was horrifying and shockingly cruel. Executed? I don’t know. I do know that 19 months is a joke. People get more than that for tax evasion. He certainly shouldn’t be back in the NFL with Obama rooting for him. What the president said is disgusting. That’s the story as far as I’m concerned.

For someone who was joking/exaggerating/hyperbolic, that’s an odd response.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Allahpundit wanted to club TC a while back. How come you people railing about TC’s statement against Vick aren’t railing about AP’s statement against TC? Or, is it acceptable for some people to use hyperbole and others not to?

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

We expect hyperbole from Allahpundit, but Tucker Carlson who is a journalist should know better.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM

He does commentary. You are the one who should know better.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:18 PM

Who is it comparing Allahpundit to Tucker Carlson ????

You are.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM

No, you don’t understand. It was ordered and he is rich. Stop making excuses for him.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM

Yes I do understand. I’m not making excuses. If you would actually reread my original post I said I do not forgive or forget. And he’s not as rich as he was — his bankruptcy means his creditors get most of his money. I would just rather have him working & paying restitution than having tax dollars be used to house him. Nothing is going to bring those dogs back, he’s lost all endorsements (and who would pick him up now), so what’s the best possible solution to the existing situation — having him sit in prison, or working and have some money go to help other animals.

rbj on December 29, 2010 at 3:37 PM

God forbid he wins the MVP award or the Super Bowl MVP – people’s head will start ‘sploding…

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 3:39 PM

I don’t think Michael Vick should be executed. Being forced to live in Philadelphia is punishment enough.

Jim Treacher on December 29, 2010 at 3:39 PM

First excuse was “I didn’t do it, didn’t know nuthin’ ’bout it”. Then we were told it was a “cultural thing” that we wouldn’t understand. Then he admitted it and was found guilty.

First excuse was a lie.

Second excuse was a strawman. Following that logic to an extreme, lynching was a “cultural thing”,too. Are we to excuse it on the basis of it being “cultural”? Of course not.

How we as humans treat the lesser animals is what separates us FROM the animals. It would never occur to me to train and fight dogs in death matches. Would it occur to you? Would you feel more connected to your culture if you did so? Do you think you are missing something by not fighting dogs? Do you know right from wrong? This is not about a “bad decision” or “hanging with the wrong crowd”, this is basic right and wrong. Should child abusers be allowed to adopt as part of their re-hab?

If the penalty a dog that lost a match was to be smashed against a brick wall, what’s the penalty for losing to the Vikings and a rookie quarterback? I think some criticism and hyperbole from Tucker Carlson is not too stiff a price to pay.

jamie gumm on December 29, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I believe that most people who post here do place humanity above all other living things. But that does not detract from the fact that societies that move towards statism do devalue human life and elevate animal life. It is a symptom of society at large.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I think you’re exaggerating quite a bit. And it’s not even logical. What purpose is served by elevating animal life when you’re devaluing human life? How does that help a dictator?

The people who died in the famines in Russia resorted to eating dead people after they’d already killed off their pets and ate them.

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 3:41 PM

God forbid he wins the MVP award or the Super Bowl MVP – people’s dog’s heads will start ‘sploding…

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 3:39 PM

FIFY

Fallon on December 29, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Who said it wasn’t repulsive?
What Vick did is extremely repulsive. And forgivable. Especially since he’s a changed man, according to people who know him a lot better than you do.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM

Who said it? You’re the one acting as though we only care what Vick did because Disney turned animals cute or something. That was clearly an implication in your post.

Besides, you don’t know Vick either, and what else are his close friends supposed to say? I hope he is changed, but they have every incentive to say so regardless of whether or not it’s true, and we, as fans (well, not me, but others), have every right to make up our own minds about him.

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 3:44 PM

Suppose Vick had a wide flashy grin or a narrow sneering grin when he was electrocuting his dogs? Did he kill them in full light or in subdued light? Did he hoot and howl or chuckle lowly?

If he was more dark evil than fun evil maybe he should have spent two or three extra months in jail to make sure his soul was fully cured.

Of course he can play ball so it is moot I suppose.

BL@KBIRD on December 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM

It’s not just the dog fighting it how he disciplined the animals. What kind of human being would this to animals?

“In the indictment’s most harrowing parts, federal investigators describe what happened to some Bad Newz Kennels dogs that either lost matches or did not perform well in test fights. After a March 2003 loss by a female pit bull, codefendant Purnell Peace, ‘after consulting with Vick,’ electrocuted the animal. In April, prosecutors allege, Vick, Peace, and Quanis Phillips, ‘executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in ‘testing’ sessions.’ These animals, the indictment claims, were killed ‘by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.‘ (18 pages)

sirpatrick on December 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM

This guy is scum and those making him out as some kind of redeemed hero are disgusting also. Maybe a more appropriate punishment is not holding him up as some kind of redeemed role model and banning him from football, but then think of all the money that would be lost on this clown. The message from all this hero-worship seems to be that money can wash away a lot of evil and as long as you play good football, what we don’t know won’t hurt us.I agree with another poster who described him as having sociopath behaviour one who refuses to be denied his passions. Much like a drug addict, it takes a lot of time and effort if one is truly to overcome such horrible inclinations. He seems to have coasted his way to redemption a little too easily and quickly.

mozalf on December 29, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I think you’re exaggerating quite a bit. And it’s not even logical. What purpose is served by elevating animal life when you’re devaluing human life? How does that help a dictator?

The people who died in the famines in Russia resorted to eating dead people after they’d already killed off their pets and ate them.

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 3:41 PM

A statist society sees human beings as cattle. And your example of the famines in Russia are a perfect example of this. The famines in Russia were government created. A central government that viewed Ukrainians as inferior and trouble making stock that needed to be culled. In fact the Russian government probably viewed actual cattle as more valuable than the Ukrainians.

I would also bet dollars to doughnuts that the vast majority of animal rights activists support abortion and statist solutions to all our problems. Currently we have the global warming industry trying to steal all our wealth and liberties in the name of saving the planet. Many in this industry think we need forced sterilization and to deprive human beings in general in order to preserve resources and animal habitat.

I really do not believe I am exaggerating.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Dogs do not have rights, Carlson. Vick’s depravity doesn’t change that.

AshleyTKing on December 29, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Regardless of Michael Vick’s past history with dogs, he does not deserve to be the MVP of the NFL this season.

When a QB throws the ball 319 times without an INT or currently has thrown not only more TD passes in the NFL (34) but the fewest Interceptions (4) as well, he deserves to win the award.

Tom Brady is one of the worthiest MVP candidates in the history of the NFL regardless of what Vick did on the playing field this season or what he did in the past abusing dogs.

technopeasant on December 29, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Dogs do not have rights, Carlson. Vick’s depravity doesn’t change that

But we’ve given them – and other animals – some rights. Not Constitutional ones but statutory.

That’s why Vick went to jail.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM

sirpatrick on December 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM

And therefore, he should never be allowed to be rich again – or something like that.

Look, he’s a POS dog abuser/killer as evidenced by his guilty conviction. However, he’s served his time and he’s repaying his numerous debts to society. None of this is a defense of his actions, it’s a defense of a system that allows a person to have an opportunity to continue on with their life.

His abilities – as reprehensible as they are to the many dog-lovers in the group – allow him to earn millions of dollars. So what… there isn’t a scale of how much you’re allowed to earn after incarceration.

Vick may very well provide proof-positive that he’s a scumbag through and through, or…. he could prove you wrong. But the system provides him that opportunity.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM

technopeasant on December 29, 2010 at 4:02 PM

No doubt, should be a lock.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 4:12 PM

You can get away with saying stupid things a little easier when you’re wearing a bowtie. Bring it back Tucker.

Buttercup on December 29, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Executed – no. Life sentence – yes.

bluesman on December 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Stupid statement by Chatsworth Osborne Jr. Vick deserved what he got, he’s paid his debt, move on…

rightwingyahooo on December 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM

But that does not detract from the fact that societies that move towards statism do devalue human life and elevate animal life. It is a symptom of society at large.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

I believe the exact opposite. Those societies which devalue animal life are statist. Look at what the Chinese government did to the cats of Beijing during the run-up to the Olympics.

unclesmrgol on December 29, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Thanks Tucker, that’s what I thought.

ProudPalinFan on December 29, 2010 at 4:25 PM

‘The idea that the president of the United States would be getting behind someone who murdered dogs? Kind of beyond the pale‘, Tucker Carlson

This.

Fallon on December 29, 2010 at 4:27 PM

I believe the exact opposite. Those societies which devalue animal life are statist. Look at what the Chinese government did to the cats of Beijing during the run-up to the Olympics.

unclesmrgol on December 29, 2010 at 4:24 PM

You mean the same Chinese government that punishes severely families with more than one child? The same Chinese government that aggressively promotes abortion in order to promote its one child per family policy? The same Chinese government that makes it illegal for most of its citizens to migrate within in the country forcing them to live in poverty and not find better opportunities? That Chinese government?

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 4:31 PM

Carlson sold a bit of his creditability last night for some press.

He knew what he was doing. He should also know, that makes him an intellectual whore.

TiminPhx on December 29, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Executed – no. Life sentence – yes.

bluesman on December 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM

He got a life sentence – in dog years…

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Carlson has a habit of open mouth and insert foot

KBird on December 29, 2010 at 4:40 PM

Love dogs, but you gotta go with a low maintenance cat. Can’t say enough about them…cute cuddly and HEY YOU BASTARD STOP PEEING ON MY LAUNDRY !!!

teacherman on December 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM

He is worse than scum. I don’t think his punishment was nearly enough and he should never play football, but money is the thing here. He makes money for the team owners. If only someone would throw him against a wall when he loses, that would be justice.

megthered on December 29, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Vick’s punishment as a first time offender was fair. I wonder what penalty Vick might impose on Carlson for those bow ties he used to sport?

EconomicNeocon on December 29, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Dog fighting is all about gambling .. the one thing Michael Vick claims he was never involved in …. anyone believe that ?
Personally as a dog lover and at one time owner of two rescued lovable, loyal PittBulls every time Vick crawls out from under a 300+lb sack I can’t help but think… Woof, Woof, I hope that hurt.
.

philly_PA on December 29, 2010 at 4:48 PM

megthered on December 29, 2010 at 4:43 PM

And yet, Vick got a longer sentence than the one offered by the prosecution in the case, and approx. 4x as long as the other defendants in the case. Arguably Vick got a longer sentence because of his money-making abilities, not in spite of his money-making abilities.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM

A statist society sees human beings as cattle.

That supports the idea that they devalue humans, not that they elevate animals.

I really do not believe I am exaggerating.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Maybe not when talking about greenies, the kind of people who would be upset to know you’re not a vegan, but those aren’t the types of people you’re talking to here. To talk to people here like that is to exaggerate.

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM

He should have been ‘executed’, by dogs.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2010 at 4:56 PM

Arguably Vick got a longer sentence because of his money-making abilities, not in spite of his money-making abilities.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM

I believe his sentence hinged on him bankrolling the operation hence the stiffer penalties.

darwin-t on December 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Obama is a fool.

If he weren’t his timing and choosing of so many decisions wouldn’t be so utterly incomprehensible.

Vick should give/leave all his money to animal causes.

Vich should also not be able to sleep, seeing the dog scenes over and over in his head.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM

darwin-t on December 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Possibly. But, since dog fighting is “all about gambling”, I’m presuming other dog-fighting prosecutions also had an element of being bank-rolled, and this was considered when the prosecution offered up its 12 to 18 month sentence for the judge to consider. Again… arguably part of the consideration given the judge’s sentencing in excess of the prosecution’s suggestion.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM

darwin-t on December 29

“*I believe his sentence hinged on him bankrolling the operation hence the stiffer penalties”

Bankrolling a dog fighting operation that’s admitting to being involved in an illegal and extremely cruel gambling operation.

philly_PA on December 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM

mozalf on December 29, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Well put. Pete Rose got banned from baseball for betting. This creature is lauded by the “president”. I’m sure TC was expressing his outrage at the cruelty that was perpetrated on helpless animals by this monster. My first reaction when it happened was that he be thrown into a den of hungry pit bulls or wolves and be mauled to death. I didn’t really mean it, but the punishment befitted my outrage. Vick should be banned from football. Period. Jeffrey Dahmer started out killing animals. People like Vick have no heart or understanding how the love of an animal can be so much comfort.

TxAnn56 on December 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM

They love their pets in England.

If Obama was the British PM, there’d be a vote of non-confidence over this.

Or would have been, before the UK let all those Muslims in.

ConservativeTalkRadio on December 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM

And yet, Vick got a longer sentence than the one offered by the prosecution in the case, and approx. 4x as long as the other defendants in the case. Arguably Vick got a longer sentence because of his money-making abilities, not in spite of his money-making abilities.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM

I really doubt that his earning potential had anything to do with it.

Vick failed his drug test before sentencing. In addition, some of the other defendants cooperated so they got deals.

Y-not on December 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Vick has paid his debt to society, serving 2 years in prison.

Leave the guy alone already.

Richard Romano on December 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM

I’d be curious to know how many convicted felons you’ve hired recently.

Y-not on December 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

But we’ve given them – and other animals – some rights. Not Constitutional ones but statutory.

That’s why Vick went to jail.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM

And that law is a colossal mistake. Take it to its logical conclusion: hunting is immoral.

AshleyTKing on December 29, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Vicks is a punk getting praise from the top punk.

Top punk loves blabbing his big mouth, Should just STFU.

Tucker overpowered his own thought on that when he said
Vicks should be executed. Remember that GI that was
almost stung up for tossing a puppy in some rugged terrain ! ! !

Texyank on December 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Tucker Carlson is really stupid.

Chudi on December 29, 2010 at 5:54 PM

And that law is a colossal mistake. Take it to its logical conclusion: hunting is immoral.

No, cruelty to animals while hunting – which is regulated – is immoral.

The laws ban cruelty, not killing.

We draw lines, make distinctions. It’s called self-government.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 6:02 PM

No, cruelty to animals while hunting – which is regulated – is immoral.

The laws ban cruelty, not killing.

We draw lines, make distinctions. It’s called self-government.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 6:02 PM

You against trapping? How about shooting gophers in pasture land? Are those F15-Dual blade arrow heads too cruel?

AshleyTKing on December 29, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Maybe Tucker wants to dance on his leg?

TexasJew on December 29, 2010 at 6:24 PM

You against trapping? How about shooting gophers in pasture land? Are those F15-Dual blade arrow heads too cruel?

Nope, they’re fine with me. And, as I understand it, it’s legal.

Torturing animals is not legal. If you want to do it, you go to jail.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 6:32 PM

I don’t think the dog-murderer should have been executed…but he shouldn’t be making millions either.
To do what he did takes a truly evil soul and I think his ‘apologies’ are all about the Benjamins.
He’s just pissed that he got caught.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

You against trapping? How about shooting gophers in pasture land? Are those F15-Dual blade arrow heads too cruel?

AshleyTKing on December 29, 2010 at 6:14 PM

yes.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

As I said in another thread about this, Vick is not a decent person on any level. I have had a personal interaction with him before. He tried to pressure my FIFTEEN year old daughter into giving him a BJ while she was a jr. Falcons’ dancer. He is a pig. The things he said to her are not printable here, nor are the things he said to me when I confronted him over the matter. Defend him all you want, but kids aren’t dogs.

di butler on December 29, 2010 at 6:56 PM

Good grief…keep your abortion stuff on abortion threads. No matter what comparisons you try to make between the two situations, nobody here has EVER said ‘Hey, I’m A-OK with abortion, but animal cruelty is the worst thing anyone can ever do.’

Save us the faux outrage, please.

James on December 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM

The NFL can certainly be criticized for allowing him to return, although I disagree since Vick did his time, as can the Eagles for signing him to the contract. Reasonable people can disagree on those points.

I’ll take you up on that and disagree with you. Even if you remove the horrific nature of his crime, I thought being found guilty of illegal gambling led to a lifetime ban from professional sports, time served or not? Or does that only apply to baseball and Pete Rose?

DrAllecon on December 29, 2010 at 7:56 PM

The science is settled… criminal d-bags aren’t allowed to make “millions” because they offend our sensibilities.

Nice to see we have a good number of Compensation Czar candidates on the right as well.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 7:57 PM

Lord, I love how folks get their panties all in a wad over Vick, but not a peep over Ray Lewis who had a hand in the death of, uh, two people.

Roc on December 29, 2010 at 8:08 PM

He got off incredibly lightly. Rivers running backwards would be more likely than his being a “changed man”. He may pretend to be, but no one but a fool would believe him. He should not be allowed near any animals or children. He tortured because he liked it. It is in his nature. Be there such a thing as a “soul”, he ain’t got one. “Forgiving” may be considered a Christian virtue, but shutting the eyes of ones mind and keeping them shut by force is not.

Just how sick must a person be to breed and train animals just to have them fight to the death while he bets money on the winner? How sick and evil must that person be to then take that poor tortured creature out to the back forty, look directly into its eyes, place a gun to its head and blow its brains out? Just how sick does that person have to be to do this over and over again and think that it is perfectly all right? Vick is that kind of evil and someday when his playing days are over and the media lights fade from view he will do it again. Why? To quote Dirty Harry when he was asked by the Mayor why he thought the serial killer Scorpio would kill again Harry answered, “Why? Because he likes it.” And so does Michael Vick.

Luka on December 29, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Knucklehead,
not sure what the NFL can do to a guy who won’t talk to them and is retiring from the league….if he tries yet again to get a league contract, then they have some leverage.

audiculous on December 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I would love to see the Vick family get a dog and i would happily buy him a papillon to spoil.

Ricki on December 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM

You are either a COMPLETE idiot or a VERY sick individual.

Luka on December 29, 2010 at 8:57 PM

I strongly suspect – and truly hope – that Vick’s defenders haven’t actually read the details of what he did.

He didn’t euthanize a few dogs. He systematically and routinely, for pleasure, tortured – in ways that you’ll wish you’d never read – domestic animals to death.

For fun. For pleasure. And he isn’t “being given a second chance to earn a living,” as some laughably argue. He’s being given millions, adored by millions, and the amoral bastards who hired him are getting congratulatory calls from the President.

For those who haven’t read details – go find them. Although I truly hate to inflict it on you.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Be there a Hell, Vick will burn there for eternity, as will his defenders. Truly all animals of the lowest order.

Luka on December 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I’m thinking that any parent who names their kid Tucker should be executed. But on second thought I’ll give them a pass.

Hummer53 on December 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Well where did all of Vict’s adoring fans go to? Out to torture some defenseless animals to make themselves feel like powerful men or out to get an anatomically correct blow-up doll of Vick to suck.

Luka on December 29, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Luka on December 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM

While you and I have gotten into it at times I agree with you about CON-Vick.

When Vick dies I hope the devil is a pitbull.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 29, 2010 at 9:33 PM

He’s being given millions, adored by millions, and the amoral bastards who hired him are getting congratulatory calls from the President.

For those who haven’t read details – go find them. Although I truly hate to inflict it on you.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM

The president is an idiot without feelings. He only knows himself and his agendas. He’s clinically NPD.

Schadenfreude on December 29, 2010 at 9:39 PM

In other words, Tucker was exaggerating for effect in order to make the point that Vick’s time didn’t fit the crime.

And yet, we have estranged wives killing their husbands, and getting less time.

I R A Darth Aggie on December 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Do y’all get this worked up when your butcher executes a cow, chicken, sheep – lambs, even! – or hogs for your purchase?

I know y’all love dogs, but this is the bottom line: it’s just a dog. And I suspect most of y’all would be scared sh!tless if you encountered a pit bull, and would never have one in your home.

I R A Darth Aggie on December 29, 2010 at 10:24 PM

I know y’all love dogs, but this is the bottom line: it’s just a dog. And I suspect most of y’all would be scared sh!tless if you encountered a pit bull, and would never have one in your home.

That’s not the bottom line, that’s blissful ignorance. Pit bulls are docile, friendly dogs who must be abused, starved and maltreated in order to make them fight.

Less BET, more AKC for you, gangsta.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier

jamie gumm on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM

professional sports teams shouldn’t be told by tucker carlson whom they’re allowed to hire.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 3:11 PM

That’s odd. I thought the United States of America was a free country, and Tucker Carlson could voice his opinion and say whatever he wants to say, and the NFL has the freedom to ignore him.

Silly me!

JannyMae on December 29, 2010 at 11:26 PM

We expect hyperbole from Allahpundit, but Tucker Carlson who is a journalist should know better.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM

Maybe, but I’m really tired of seeing conservatives insistent on parsing every word that comes out of other conservatives’ mouths for fear of “painting conservatives in a bad light.” As if the liberals don’t just make sh*t up about people if there isn’t anything to pounce on.

And I’m also tired of seeing people’s statements, regardless of who they are, analyzed word by word and letter by letter by self-righteous know-it-alls, after the fact. It’s so easy to second-guess others when you were NOT in the situation that they were.

Many of you are lacking perspective, IMO.

Regarding Vick, once again, my IMO, he’s a pig and if the NFL had any reasonable standards at all, he wouldn’t be playing, and neither would some of the other thugs who are still there…..

JannyMae on December 29, 2010 at 11:32 PM

Lord, I love how folks get their panties all in a wad over Vick, but not a peep over Ray Lewis who had a hand in the death of, uh, two people.

Roc on December 29, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Sorry, you’re wrong on that. Every time I see Lewis on the field, I cringe.

JannyMae on December 29, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Micheal Vick is not very good at football. He looks like a girl when he throws the ball.

PrezHussein on December 30, 2010 at 1:00 AM

Obama is a racist who’s all about skin color with black good, white bad. He belongs not in the White House sympathizing with a sick and evil serial dog torturer but on a psychiatrist’s couch sorting out his great respect for the black alcoholic polygamous father who deserted him and his barely disguised contempt for the white side of his family that actually raised him.

Luka on December 30, 2010 at 1:29 AM

My instant emotional reaction is that merely putting him to sleep forever is too painless.

Then my rational mind comes to the fore. The time he has served is about right to impress on him that society tends to regard the types of animals it keeps as pets as more than they really are. Pets are, after all, just animals; but, they are special to us because we tend to love our pets as cherished members of our families.

He has served his time. The theory is that this washes his slate clean; and, he should be given proper and suitable chances to resume aspects of his life that did not lead to his conviction. Legal and gainful employment is one such aspect.

The only troubling thing remaining is that our POTUS felt it was appropriate for him to make a comment about it. But then we already knew the man currently behind that title is a boob, a clown, a charlatan, among other things even less socially desirable.

{^_^}

herself on December 30, 2010 at 3:26 AM

I think Vick paid his debt to dogs and to society with prison time, and millions in lost wages and endorsements.

That being said, I think somebody should ask Mike Huckabee to weigh in on whether he thinks dog-killers should be executed…


http://dogblog.dogster.com/2007/12/06/presidential-candiate-mike-huckabees-son-david-tortured-and-killed-stray-dog-in-1998-charges-never-file-and-huckabee-not-punished/

AttilaTheHun on December 30, 2010 at 6:46 AM

I’m confused.
Killing and torturing a fighting dog = bad, punishable by death.
Pulling a baby (its now a baby) half way out the birth canal and inserting scissors and sucking out the baby’s brains = a right.
Heavy sigh

Bevan on December 30, 2010 at 7:18 AM

I’m confused.
Killing and torturing a fighting dog = bad, punishable by death.
Pulling a baby (its now a baby) half way out the birth canal and inserting scissors and sucking out the baby’s brains = a right.
Heavy sigh

Bevan on December 30, 2010 at 7:18 AM

I can explain. According to a new study by the new generation of Communist scientists … your conservative brain doesn’t grasp the distinction between a baby (a threat to Gaia and massive social programs), and a dog.

Liberal brains can tell the difference that’s why they place high value on a dog and no value on a baby. I would imagine liberals will be suggesting we eat aborted babies in the future instead of killing cattle.

darwin on December 30, 2010 at 8:15 AM

That’s right, execute the offender. It’s better than having your children and eating them, too. It’s good to see Carlson using satirical irony to illustrate a point of view–too bad most readers don’t seem to get it.
http://grammar.about.com/od/60essays/a/modpropoessay.htm
OT: note the unironic 17th century pro-life perspective in para 5.

horatio on December 30, 2010 at 8:23 AM

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