Video: Tucker Carlson says Vick should have been “executed” for dog killings

posted at 2:00 pm on December 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

The subtext for this is obviously, “Oh, those wacky conservatives and their thirst for vengeance!”, but that isn’t really Tucker Carlson’s focus in this clip from his guest-hosting gig on Sean Hannity’s Great American Panel on Fox News Channel last night. Mediaite’s Glenn Davis makes this the story, rather than the vast majority of the discussion, which was Barack Obama’s decision to jump into the debate about Michael Vick and his second chance in football.

The conversation eventually turned to whether it was appropriate for Obama to weigh in on this matter at all (although, as the White House said, the primary focus of Obama’s discussion with Lurie was alternative energy) – golfer Ben Crenshaw, on the panel for some reason, came off as a Vick supporter but sounded unsure of whether the president should be discussing the matter. Republican strategist Leslie Sanchez voiced similar views, whereas Fox News contributor Doug Schoen didn’t see an issue with Obama’s comments.

The most notable aspect of the discussion, though, was still Carlson’s “executed” line, for the sheer extreme nature of it. There’s no question Vick has done terrible things, but to hear a pundit openly opine that a prominent person should have received the death penalty – and being completely sincere in doing it – is not something you’ll see too often.

Does Tucker really believe that Vick should have gotten the death penalty? I asked Tucker this morning what he meant by the statement, and he replied:

I love dogs — we have three — and I think what Vick did was horrifying and shockingly cruel. Executed? I don’t know. I do know that 19 months is a joke. People get more than that for tax evasion. He certainly shouldn’t be back in the NFL with Obama rooting for him. What the president said is disgusting. That’s the story as far as I’m concerned.

In other words, Tucker was exaggerating for effect in order to make the point that Vick’s time didn’t fit the crime. In that, Tucker is hardly alone. Vick remains controversial not just for his employment in the NFL, but also because of the sentence and his release. The sentence came as part of a plea bargain to a single felony count that normally carried a sentence of 12 months to 5 years in prison; Vick got 25 months and parole after 19 months, in keeping with federal sentencing guidelines. Other athletes have gotten off more easily. LeShon Johnson, a former NFL running back for the Packers, Giants, and Cardinals, got a five-year “deferred” sentence from a state charge in Oklahoma after investigators rescued 200 dogs and busted more than 20 people in a dog-fighting ring in 2005. NBA player Qyntel Woods got 80 hours of community service in 2005 for staging dogfights at his house in Oregon (again, state charges).

The problem to which Tucker objects is an issue with the law, rather than leniency on the part of the system. Unless and until the law is changed to assign more prison time for the crime, then Vick did an appropriate amount of time for a first-time offender under the law as it existed at the time. Once Vick got parole after serving most of the sentence, then he was certainly free to earn a living. The NFL can certainly be criticized for allowing him to return, although I disagree since Vick did his time, as can the Eagles for signing him to the contract. Reasonable people can disagree on those points.

However, the point of the segment was the curious and unprompted interjection of Barack Obama into the situation. He called to congratulate Jeffrey Lurie for giving Vick a second chance and showing that employers should allow for redemption. However, Vick’s talent was never in question, just his judgment off the field and his humanity. Certainly, employers should exercise discretion when hiring people, and that shouldn’t exclude felony convictions, especially when that includes something as horrific and disgusting as dogfighting and other animal cruelties to which Vick admitted. Lurie didn’t hire Vick for selfless reasons; he hired Vick to exploit his talent, and the investment has paid off well. Why that requires a presidential salute is beyond me.


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Tucker’s gotten tougher since he lost the bowtie! Good move.

50sGuy on December 29, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Obama acted stupidly.

pain train on December 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM

Executed?!?…No.

Banned from the NFL…..Certainly.

BigWyo on December 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM

Why that requires a presidential salute is beyond me.

It’s all about Obaka!

ladyingray on December 29, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Executed? I don’t know

I generally like Carlson but this is indefensible.

First, there’s no law or statute that calls for the execution of someone for animal cruelty. So is he advocating the passage of one? A federal law?

Second, executing someone for animal abuse – and I love dogs as much as the next guy or gal, if not more – violates the cruel and unusual punishment clause of the Constitution. At least in my humble opinion.

Vick is a creep. And as Ed say, Carlson’s comment overshadowed Obama’s actions.

But sorry Tucker, this is insane.

SteveMG on December 29, 2010 at 2:07 PM

However, Vick’s talent was never in question, just his judgment off the field and his humanity.

and likewise, the constitutionality of the GZM was never in question….but the wisdom of building it there was certainly in question. Alas, the president misses the relevant point, once again, as Ed astutely points out. This would be a “second-chance” by the NFL, had Vick done poorly as a QB, then was hired somewhere else to perform the same job. Alas, it was not. The man killed and maimed dogs, he served his time, and the president wades right into it headfirst….and then Vick loses big time against the Vikes. Helluva way to start the post season, eh Philly?

ted c on December 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Why that requires a presidential salute is beyond me.

Vick ended up performing as well last night as most people Obama salutes.

lorien1973 on December 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM

A little over the top, Tucker…

Khun Joe on December 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM

19 months is too little?? Are you nuts!!

ITS ANIMALS!!! AN-I-MALS!!! Not human being for crying out loud.

It’s wrong, but he shouldn’t haven’t have gotten more than 6 months in prison. We have have Disneyfied society WAY TOO MUCH!!!

Bow-tie boy has his idiot priorities way out of wack.

HDFOB on December 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Well there is a couple of players playing right now who killed people. No one brings them up.

Big Orange on December 29, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Allahpundit said it well a few moons ago regarding Tucker Carlson (and I’ve been waiting for the * oh so perfect time * to bring this ditty back up)

Yeah. Apparently Tucker Carlson came to Reid’s defense on Hannity tonight, too. As much as I’d like to club him, the most objectionable thing he said was his use of the word “negro” and evidently even that’s not all that objectionable anymore.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/11/stephen-a-smith-if-lott-had-to-go-reid-has-to-go/

ted c on December 29, 2010 at 2:10 PM

The White House tried to horn in on the Sunday night NFL game with a Christmas weekend message about Vick, and when the game was canceled the message was left out there to stand on its own, without the expected great home victory by the Eagles and led by Vick to go along with it (obviously after last night’s 24-14 Minnesota win, the White House probably shouldn’t be thinking about getting into any Vegas bookmaking operation with Harry Reid). They were trying to catch a ride on a ‘feel good’ story with the aid of the always-willing-to-please-Obama NBC, and managed to get burned by a snowstorm.

Tucker went over the top on this one, but don’t expect it to be more than a 1-2 day story, because for liberals to really push the attack on Carlson would make it come off as if they were pro-leniency for dog killers. That probably wouldn’t make the PETA faction of the Democrats’ coalition of liberal special interest groups very happy.

jon1979 on December 29, 2010 at 2:10 PM

Carlson managed to keep his foot out of his mouth for an unusually long period after starting Daily Caller. It was only a matter of time.

Mark1971 on December 29, 2010 at 2:11 PM

BigWyo on December 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM

agree.

upinak on December 29, 2010 at 2:11 PM

So Tucker Carlson & Aaron Sorkin are on the same page when it comes to animals?

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM

His sentence was ridiculouS he should have served less. i have a papillon and he has a great life. But he is not a person in a fur coat. He is a dog. Murderers of Humans have gotten less time. I am proud that the NFL reinstated him and that the Eagles signed him and he is doing great. As for the president of whom i am not evah a fan. I commend him for calling Lurie. In this season of forgiveness and redemption you people including Carlson are not being kind. You have allowed this media personification of dogs get out of hand.
I would love to see the Vick family get a dog and i would happily buy him a papillon to spoil.

Ricki on December 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM

What are the sentencing guidelines for killing unborn humans in this country?

Vic is a waste of space and I am no fan. And Obama is a fool for injecting himself into this issue. But I never will understand the visceral reaction against crimes like these when so many shrug off abortion. There is something seriously wrong with our psyches.

I do not support animal cruelty and approve of jail time for treating animals in this manner. But until we as a nation place human babies on the same pedestal as abandoned or abused animals, I won’t be getting very worked up over animal cruelty.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM

aside: tucker has surprisingly GREAT as a sub for hannity

reliapundit on December 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Dumb ass statement. doesn’t help conservatives at all.

Hummer53 on December 29, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Sorry Tucker but that was stupid hyperbole that just makes you sound like a stereotypical numbnut REEEEEEEDDDD stater and diminish conservative political discourse.

Better hyperbole would be to point out that PETA should be all over Vick’s butt like the Vikings defense… and Obama’s too for standing up for him but won’t because it’s not about animal “rights” but supporting liberal ideology which Obama AND Vick have getoutofjail free cards for… for life.

Skywise on December 29, 2010 at 2:14 PM

Banned from the NFL…..Certainly.

BigWyo on December 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM

This.

Knucklehead on December 29, 2010 at 2:14 PM

My wife fell in love with Tucker Carlson at that moment.

I’m sorta ok with Vick having a dog; as I find ours sort of curative/palliative and and enhancement to my potential humanity.

Or, as I friend said, if he wants a dog so much maybe he should move to Korea.

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The story is still Obama’s idiotic phone call, but Tucker loving his dogs might be something to look into…

Shivas Irons on December 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Obama has done to the economy what Vick did to dogs. First torture then death. Thanks for imposing yourself in an attempt to bask in and co-opt Vick’s redemptive second chance Mr. President. Now everyone will immediately be reminded of just how bad you have been in your policies.

‘Barry is to economics what Mike Vick is to K-9′s’

JimP on December 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM

Since some of the dogs were electrocuted and drowned, I think they should have alternated between tazing and waterboarding Vick.

mizflame98 on December 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM

In other words, Tucker was exaggerating for effect in order to make the point that Vick’s time didn’t fit the crime.

Well then, he should say that. In other (hardly surprising) news, Christine O’Donnell is the subject of a federal criminal probe for spending campaign money on broomsticks.

Grow Fins on December 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Well there is a couple of players playing right now who killed people. No one brings them up.

Yeah, if you want to complain about leniency, forget Vick… Donte Stallworth killed a person while driving drunk, served less time than Vick (or the same amount if you count house arrest) and is currently employed by the NFL.

Stallworth was charged with DUI and second degree manslaughter on April 1, 2009; he surrendered to police on April 2, 2009, and was released on $200,000 bail.[14] He pled guilty, and received a sentence of 30 days in jail, plus 1,000 hours of community service, 2 years of house arrest, and 8 years probation.[15] He has also received a life-time suspension of his Florida state driver’s license.[16]

Tom_Shipley on December 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Vick ended up performing as well last night as most people Obama salutes.

lorien1973 on December 29, 2010 at 2:08 PM

The Obaka “Kiss of Death” – Vick looked terrible last night!

PatMac on December 29, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Obama made that call for publicity and future donations, mission accomplished.

Cindy Munford on December 29, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Why Micheal Vick? What about that heartless subhuman who threw puppies in a river?

Machiavelli Hobbes on December 29, 2010 at 2:19 PM

The truth is if Michael Vick was some Average Joe in an average job, he would have been thrown in jail for a rather lengthy amount of time and fined up the wazoo. The only reason he got what he got was because he is some overpaid hotshot football player and that is the only reason.

But as to the issue at hand, Tucker Carlson seriously needs to stop letting his mouth run ahead of his brain, because even in jest, what he said was just plain stupid and uncalled for!

pilamaye on December 29, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Tom_Shipley on December 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Yep. And Leonard Little also. Got drunk, ran over a lady and her three kids had to wake up with no mother the rest of their life. He served about six months during the off season. Then got busted for DUI again.

Big Orange on December 29, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Tucker knows that there is no way that the USSC would uphold execution for someone who committed crimes like Vick’s. He was making a point, part of which the people defending Vick are sickos. At least a ban would be appropriate but that won’t happen, either. It’s all about money. But please don’t lecture people about how we have to tolerate this jerk. We don’t and we won’t.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Well according to the US S.Ct. (thanks liberals), Louisiana can’t execute child rapists, so dog fighting/torture/killing is further removed.

Now I love dogs, have two rescue shelter (no kill) dogs, one with a disability. However, Vick did his time (maybe too short) so I do not have much of a problem with him further trying to rehabilitate himself as a person. IIRC according to his parole, part of his income goes towards funding rescue shelters. I won’t forget or forgive him for what he did, but if he’s doing something positive and helping other dogs, then good.

rbj on December 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM

Can you imagine the phone call from Sean Hannity to Tucker after this one went down? “Hey, Tucker! WTF?”

ted c on December 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM

The Obaka “Kiss of Death” – Vick looked terrible last night!

PatMac on December 29, 2010 at 2:19 PM

Or Andy Reid is well on his way of destroying yet another quarterback.

lorien1973 on December 29, 2010 at 2:22 PM

He certainly shouldn’t be back in the NFL

football fans should not be able to watch vick play because carlson has dogs and is upset. he wishes the nfl was more nanny state-like, because salary caps and revenue sharing are just not socialistic enough.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 2:24 PM

I won’t forget or forgive him for what he did, but if he’s doing something positive and helping other dogs, then good.

rbj on December 29, 2010 at 2:21 PM

It’s court ordered. He is not doing it out of the goodness of his heart. Jeesh!

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:26 PM

you know its people like tucker that give conservatives a bad name. what an idiot.

unseen on December 29, 2010 at 2:27 PM

the man did his time enough said.

Huck let out copkillers and we have to debate Vick?

unseen on December 29, 2010 at 2:29 PM

It’s people who defend sadists like Vick who give conservatives a bad name.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM

+1 to Tucker Carlson’s sentiments about Vick.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Lurie didn’t hire Vick for selfless reasons; he hired Vick to exploit his talent, and the investment has paid off well

Except for the fact that Vick started the year on the bench. Hardly an exploitation of his talent. Vick got an opportunity when Kolb (the Eagles starting QB went down with an injury), and Vick exploited that opportunity with his talent. And since then, Vick continues to “say the right things”. Maybe it’s a good PR manager getting him to say the right things, maybe not. Time will tell. But I’m inclined to give the man a 2nd chance, especially given the fact that he fulfilled the requirements of his sentence.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM

Executed? Good lord! How about some perspective. I love dogs, but you can’t be serious. He went to prison for 2 years and hopefully he learned his lesson and by all accounts has been doing what he should be doing. If somebody drove drunk and killed somebody they would have a similar sentence, then would be allowed to go get a job and do what they could in life. Tucker is way over the line and silly in this arguement.

cat-scratch on December 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Tom_Shipley on December 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM

That’s reprehensible. Just lick Sanchez on getting jobs in broadcast journalism after doing the same thing.

I still don’t think Vick should have a job, and his name should rightly become a pejorative hurled at a-holes everywhere.

Aquateen Hungerforce on December 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Kind of proves that not all “elitists” have very good common sense.

Executed?

Please Tucker … what about the

A B O R T I O N _ D O C T O R S

HondaV65 on December 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM

The same idiots who defend Vick argue that a sex offender who does his time shouldn’t be subject to civil commitment or registration. Sickening.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM

His sentence was ridiculouS he should have served less. i have a papillon and he has a great life. But he is not a person in a fur coat. He is a dog. Murderers of Humans have gotten less time. I am proud that the NFL reinstated him and that the Eagles signed him and he is doing great. As for the president of whom i am not evah a fan. I commend him for calling Lurie. In this season of forgiveness and redemption you people including Carlson are not being kind. You have allowed this media personification of dogs get out of hand.
I would love to see the Vick family get a dog and i would happily buy him a papillon to spoil.

Ricki on December 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM

You would be singing a different tune if someone killed or harmed your dog.

Knucklehead on December 29, 2010 at 2:33 PM

lick=like. Jeeze.

Aquateen Hungerforce on December 29, 2010 at 2:33 PM

People were very upset with Vick’s lenient sentence, but are fine qwith the abortion of a human life. NOT A LUMP OF CELLS, A HUMAN LIFE.
Vick, as part of his sentence, was BARRED FOR LIFE from ever having a dog. Now the creep wants a puppy TO HELP HIM IN HIS REHABILITATION.
The world is very,very strange indeed.

codekeyguy on December 29, 2010 at 2:34 PM

But I’m inclined to give the man a 2nd chance, especially given the fact that he fulfilled the requirements of his sentence.

Neo-con Artist on December 29, 2010 at 2:31 PM

No, he hasn’t. He is still both on parole and probation.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:32 PM

If you don’t think Vick deserves death, you are for rape!

lorien1973 on December 29, 2010 at 2:35 PM

the man did his time enough said.

Huck let out copkillers and we have to debate Vick?

unseen on December 29, 2010 at 2:29 PM

Vick hardly served any time at all. And to pretend that Huck get’s a free pass here is both ridiculous and another topic.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Vick, as part of his sentence, was BARRED FOR LIFE from ever having a dog.

codekeyguy on December 29, 2010 at 2:34 PM

No, he wasn’t. Only barred during the duration of his parole/probation.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:36 PM

I think Tucker was exaggerating but it will be funny to see if people on the other side will take the bait and try to defend the indefensible…like, “Killing and torturing dogs for the sake of entertainment is bad but it’s not THAT bad…” Have fun with that. +1 for TC.

karlant on December 29, 2010 at 2:36 PM

Big Orange on December 29, 2010 at 2:20 PM

My favorite part about the Stallworth case is that he claimed he tried to warn the guy by flashing his lights at him… uh, Donte, you know the horn and brakes, right?

Tom_Shipley on December 29, 2010 at 2:37 PM

I’ve been waiting for about a year to dredge this one up from the archives….Allah and Tucker are not BFFs apparently….?

Apparently Tucker Carlson came to Reid’s defense on Hannity tonight, too. As much as I’d like to club him, the most objectionable thing he said was his use of the word “xxxx” and evidently even that’s not all that objectionable anymore

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/11/stephen-a-smith-if-lott-had-to-go-reid-has-to-go/

ted c on December 29, 2010 at 2:38 PM

Tucker Carlson says Vick should have been “executed” for dog killings

That’s incredibly stupid.

I’m Christian…Some things are unforgivable.

I wonder if you really are, Tucker. The Lord said that if you don’t forgive, you won’t be forgiven.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:39 PM

football fans should not be able to watch vick play because carlson has dogs and is upset. he wishes the nfl was more nanny state-like, because salary caps and revenue sharing are just not socialistic enough.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 2:24 PM

Weren’t you defending Aaron Sorkin’s piece calling Sarah Palin a murderer for killing animals for food?

Yet you defend Vick for killing dogs for entertainment, betting purposes, and for the joy of murdering these dogs?

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 2:39 PM

Tucker is right on the money in the sentiments of the vast numbers of people in the US.

A new Associated Press-Petside.com poll asked pet-owners and those without pets how much they like dogs….

Participants could respond with “like a lot,” “like a little,” “neither like nor dislike,” “dislike a little,” or “dislike a lot.”

3 out of 4 adults (74%) said they like dogs a lot.

Now last time I looked Congress was liked by 8% of the population. Or less than 1 in 10. Around aboutr the level of child molesters or dog abusers.

So Mr Carlson was being quite canny in stating that Vick should get the death penalty – no matter how much his tongue was really in his cheek.

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Ever since Disney released Bambi, the soft-heart-softer-head crowd have been anthropomorphizing animals, valuing them as much as people.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Craig MacTavish, a player and coach in the NHL, was convicted in 1984 of vehicular homicide when he was driving drunk and killed a 24 year old woman. For that, he got one year in prison. After he got out, he got a contract with the Edmonton Oilers, and eventually became a coach, having a wonderful career of over 20 years, making millions of dollars while this young lady lay cold and dead in her grave. Spare me the hooting about dog fights – bad? Of course. But let’s put it in perspective. Perhaps Tucker should be commenting on light sentences given to child predators and murderers.

jehowe2nd on December 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

It’s people who defend sadists like Vick who give conservatives a bad name.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Why? He isn’t doing it now, has apologized for his behavior, and is attempting to perform a penance. As a Catholic, the Act of Contrition comes to mind immediately, and the necessary acts and sincerity required for forgiveness.

I don’t like Vick, but if his acts are sincere, he certainly deserves restoration to the community.

‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’

unclesmrgol on December 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

But until we as a nation place human babies on the same pedestal as abandoned or abused animals, I won’t be getting very worked up over animal cruelty.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Uh huh.

“They torture cows for meat, they rape the environment with their chemicals, they’re destroying the world with their corporatist global warming. Until they place Mother Earth on the same pedestal as their precious little unborn babies, I’m not getting very worked up over abortion.”

See the problem with your line of thinking? That babble I just typed isn’t even hyperbole – it’s precisely how pro-abortion people think and speak, and its exactly the same as what you did.

Wrong is wrong. Evil is evil. And refusing to “get worked up” over a particular evil, because there are those who don’t care about another evil … is pathetic.

You’re the same as they are. Just different causes.

I’d suggest you think about it. But you won’t.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Neil Armstrong is impressed by the leap you are making right there.

lorien1973 on December 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

Ever since Disney released Bambi, the soft-heart-softer-head crowd have been anthropomorphizing animals, valuing them as much as people.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Huh? Mankind has only had canines as its best furry friend for the past 5000 years or so.

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Tucker I agree with your first statement. Anyone that can willfully kill and torture a dog deserves to go the same way in my opinion.
I don’t know why everyone is so surprised that BHO wanted to give Vick a round of applause, remember BHO fancies himself to be a professional athlete. If Vick was a golfer he would probably be awarded the nobel peace prize.
Happy Kwanzaa!

SgtRed on December 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Well, if you slip up this is what happens. It is about him…instead of Obama.

tomas on December 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

19 months is too little?? Are you nuts!!

ITS ANIMALS!!! AN-I-MALS!!! Not human being for crying out loud.

It’s wrong, but he shouldn’t haven’t have gotten more than 6 months in prison. We have have Disneyfied society WAY TOO MUCH!!!

Bow-tie boy has his idiot priorities way out of wack.

HDFOB on December 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM

HDFOB, Thank you! It truly is Disney and other cartoonists (as well as enivornmentalist wackos) who have elevated animals above human babies. Furthermore, I believe in repentence and redemption. Michael Vick has been exemplary since he got out of prison. He has humbled himself and is trying to do right. Only time will tell if he is truly changed, but since when did we reconvict the guy who has paid his dues?

Christian Conservative on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I understand Tucker’s statement. It’s hyperbole but it’s heartfelt.

When you read what Vick did, it’s beyond cruel and disgusting. Vick is most likely an athletically talented sociopath. And, President Obama gives him the thumbs up. Good lord…

Fallon on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Ever since Disney released Bambi, the soft-heart-softer-head crowd have been anthropomorphizing animals, valuing them as much as people.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

It’s actually a symptom of stateism. When we start to worship the state and abandon traditional values we devalue human life and raise animal life.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

In any event, Vick should never, ever have been back in the NFL. Period.

JetBoy on December 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

He [Obama] called to congratulate Jeffrey Lurie for giving Vick a second chance and showing that employers should allow for redemption.

He [Obama] also has directed the federal government to :

The latest is the federal government’s attempt to equalize how black and white job candidates appear to prospective employers even if they differ substantially — just ban employers from checking credit and criminal histories so as not to “unreasonably” disadvantage black job applicants.

Skandia Recluse on December 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Was permanent banishment from the NFL part of Vick’s sentence? No. It was up to the powers that be to decide whether to rehire the man, and they chose to. The justice system worked! So far it’s been a win/win for all concerned.

Why do talking heads, conservative, progressive, or otherwise, feel they must expound on such things? Oh yeah, ratings. My free market heart must concede that point, but I don’t feel I missed anything by not watching.

pugwriter on December 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM

Obama makes a naked race play for votes and Tucker uses hyperbole for his job.

I appreciate that both are news stories.

Neither seem like a break from the chosen rolls/jobs.

Shivas Irons on December 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM

I understand Tucker’s statement. It’s hyperbole but it’s heartfelt.

When you read what Vick did, it’s beyond cruel and disgusting. Vick is most likely an athletically talented sociopath. And, President Obama gives him the thumbs up. Good lord…

Fallon on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Thank you!

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM

You would be singing a different tune if someone killed or harmed your dog.

Knucklehead on December 29, 2010 at 2:33 PM

I strongly suspect – and truly hope – that Vick’s defenders haven’t actually read the details of what he did.

He didn’t euthanize a few dogs. He systematically and routinely, for pleasure, tortured – in ways that you’ll wish you’d never read – domestic animals to death.

For fun. For pleasure. And he isn’t “being given a second chance to earn a living,” as some laughably argue. He’s being given millions, adored by millions, and the amoral bastards who hired him are getting congratulatory calls from the President.

For those who haven’t read details – go find them. Although I truly hate to inflict it on you.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PMIt’s actually a symptom of stateism.

An absurd statement. I am the anti-statist.

Like I already pointed out to another sadly ignorant person, mankind has only had dogs as best furry friend for at least 5000 years.

That would predate the state, the nation state, the nanny sstatwe or any other bleedin’ state by 2000 years.

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

HDFOB, Thank you! It truly is Disney and other cartoonists (as well as enivornmentalist wackos) who have elevated animals above human babies.

Christian Conservative on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Strawman: Nobody here is elevating animals above babies.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

HDFOB on December 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM

You pretend as though we’re treating these animals the same as though they were human. Had Vick tortured and murdered scores of people, he actually would have gotten the death penalty (assuming they have it in that state). As it is, he served less than two years and has his professional career back.

There’s nothing Disney about having a problem with someone who tortured and slaughtered scores of dogs. It’s not as though he just ran over one, one day on accident.

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

My favorite part about the Stallworth case is that he claimed he tried to warn the guy by flashing his lights at him… uh, Donte, you know the horn and brakes, right?

Tom_Shipley on December 29, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Yeah that was just stellar. Just to make it worse, Braylon Edwards was with him then got busted for DUI earlier this season. Good grief.

Big Orange on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Fallon on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Well said.

50sGuy on December 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

Weren’t you defending Aaron Sorkin’s piece calling Sarah Palin a murderer for killing animals for food?

Yet you defend Vick for killing dogs for entertainment, betting purposes, and for the joy of murdering these dogs?

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 2:39 PM

1. no i wasn’t (and don’t agree with him).

2. i’m also not defending vick (even though i’m a cat owner), but carlson’s insistence that pro football should be even more like a social program rather than an athletic contest is well worthy of mockery.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

At least I now know to bet everything against the Eagles. Obama just sealed their fate with his support.

angryed on December 29, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Tom_Shipley on December 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Yes, that’s significantly worse. I don’t know why it doesn’t get more attention. Maybe the public in general isn’t as bothered because it wasn’t intentional, whereas Vick clearly meant to do what he did.

Actually, it’s probably more likely that the lack of video evidence is the real reason. People got to see the dogs and what happened to them. They didn’t get to see this accident.

That doesn’t make it right though.

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Uh huh.

“They torture cows for meat, they rape the environment with their chemicals, they’re destroying the world with their corporatist global warming. Until they place Mother Earth on the same pedestal as their precious little unborn babies, I’m not getting very worked up over abortion.”

See the problem with your line of thinking? That babble I just typed isn’t even hyperbole – it’s precisely how pro-abortion people think and speak, and its exactly the same as what you did.

Wrong is wrong. Evil is evil. And refusing to “get worked up” over a particular evil, because there are those who don’t care about another evil … is pathetic.

You’re the same as they are. Just different causes.

I’d suggest you think about it. But you won’t.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

You’re right, I won’t. Nothing is more important on the mortal plane than humanity.

So some insane leftist has the exact opposite view as me? Except for the fact that I don’t think animal abuse should go unpunished of course. You do not lessen my view by showing the exact opposite of it (almost) when the exact opposite is the definition of insanity?

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

1. BS
2. HUH?

angryed on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Ever since Disney released Bambi, the soft-heart-softer-head crowd have been anthropomorphizing animals, valuing them as much as people.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Huh? Mankind has only had canines as its best furry friend for the past 5000 years or so.

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Huh? For at least 4900 of those years, dogs were servants & pets. Now they’re practically children & spouses.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

He didn’t euthanize a few dogs. He systematically and routinely, for pleasure, tortured – in ways that you’ll wish you’d never read – domestic animals to death.

For fun. For pleasure. And he isn’t “being given a second chance to earn a living,” as some laughably argue. He’s being given millions, adored by millions, and the amoral bastards who hired him are getting congratulatory calls from the President.

For those who haven’t read details – go find them. Although I truly hate to inflict it on you.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM

Bingo. Well put.

I don’t care how tough anyone thinks they are…reading up on what Vick did to those animals…it’s enough to make anyone weep.

JetBoy on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

2. i’m also not defending vick (even though i’m a cat owner), but carlson’s insistence that pro football should be even more like a social program rather than an athletic contest is well worthy of mockery.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

So professional sports shouldn’t be allowed to ban people? Gee, someone better get Pete Rose on the phone.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

1. no i wasn’t (and don’t agree with him).

2. i’m also not defending vick (even though i’m a cat owner), but carlson’s insistence that pro football should be even more like a social program rather than an athletic contest is well worthy of mockery.

sesquipedalian on December 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM

1. I apologize for confusing you with someone else.

2. I can’t blame Vick for wanting a job. I blame the Eagles and the NFL for hiring him.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

To borrow from Mark Levin, everything Obama touches turns to crap. I knew that when this story got out, the real casualty would be the performance of the Eagles on the field. Six sacks later, the Vikings chalk up a nice victory. Up next are the Cowboys. If Obama really wants the Eagles (or Vick) to do well, put a lid on it.

EMD on December 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

You’re the same as they are. Just different causes.

I’d suggest you think about it. But you won’t.

Professor Blather on December 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM

So you agree that killing cows for meat is torture, then?

If Vick had electrocuted and drowned cattle for fun and profit, would you agree with his prison sentence?

Good Solid B-Plus on December 29, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Obama makes a naked race play for votes and Tucker uses hyperbole for his job.

Shivas Irons on December 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM

But, Obama has 99% of the black vote already. Politically speaking this is a stupid move for him. He doesn’t gain any black support and will lose some support from pet lovers just by bringing up the issue. This is the Cambridge police episode all over.

For the smartest president ever, he’s not very bright.

angryed on December 29, 2010 at 2:57 PM

Huh? Mankind has only had canines as its best furry friend for the past 5000 years or so.

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:45 PM

Dogs and humans do not have the same relationship today that they had 1,000 years ago. Dogs were more often than not productive members of a family or whatever social structure existed. Today most pets provide nothing more than an emotional bond. That emotional bond may have always existed, but dogs came into the sphere of humanity by providing us with something useful.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Michael Vick has been exemplary since he got out of prison.

Christian Conservative on December 29, 2010 at 2:46 PM

No, he hasn’t. He has violated both the court and NFL terms of his probation. However, they allowed him to skate on it. No surprise. Celebrities can pretty much get away with anything.

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM

Tucker is an @ss for this sort of statement. what a joke.

So Tucker, what should happen to abortionists? Where’s your moral relativism buddy?

gatorboy on December 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Huh? For at least 4900 of those years, dogs were servants & pets. Now they’re practically children & spouses.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM

And still for those 4900 years doing what Vick and his peeps did was considered repulsive by most people.

angryed on December 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Tucker is an @ss for this sort of statement. what a joke.

So Tucker, what should happen to abortionists? Where’s your moral relativism buddy?

gatorboy on December 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM

Tucker’s over the top rhetoric took the attention off of Obama.

portlandon on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Allahpundit wanted to club TC a while back. How come you people railing about TC’s statement against Vick aren’t railing about AP’s statement against TC? Or, is it acceptable for some people to use hyperbole and others not to?

Blake on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

Jack Bauer on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

Esthier on December 29, 2010 at 2:51 PM

I believe that most people who post here do place humanity above all other living things. But that does not detract from the fact that societies that move towards statism do devalue human life and elevate animal life. It is a symptom of society at large.

NotCoach on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 PM

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