Quotes of the day

posted at 10:30 pm on December 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

“The news of Brian Aitken’s release inspired his attorney to declare Christie ‘a hero to gun owners across the nation.’

“But is he really? Not so much…

“‘I don’t think Second Amendment issues played too much into his decision,’ Fiamingo said. ‘It does show that the governor is a compassionate and reasonable man. When he looked at the situation the facts represented themselves.’…

“‘We’ll be watching,’ Fiamingo said, adding he still is not clear where Christie is on gun control.

“‘I don’t want to say I’m happy with him as a conservative,’ Fiamingo said. ‘That still remains to be seen.’”

***
“Chris Christie wasn’t appeasing the NRA or 2012 Republican primary voters. And sadly, he isn’t anything resembling a ‘friend’ to gun owners. A northeast Republican, Christie’s stance on firearms is as draconian as that of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The simple fact of the matter is that if Christie’s views on firearms were widely known, his chances of capturing the 2012 Republican primaries would go up in smoke…

“Christie doesn’t just support New Jersey’s draconian gun control laws. He ran for office on a platform of making even more restrictive the absurd gun laws that made Brian Aitken a felon. Let us be blunt: Chris Christie supports a system of gun laws purposefully designed to entrap and disarm society.

“Christie doesn’t trust his own citizens to exercise responsibly their constitutional rights to firearms. He may be a hero to some, but from the position of a gun owner, he’s no better than the freedom-hating Democrat he replaced.”

***
“In all of Mexico, there is only one gun store. The shop, known officially as the Directorate of Arms and Munitions Sales, is operated by the Mexican military. The clerks wear pressed green camouflage. They are soldiers…

“To go shopping for a gun in Mexico, customers must come to Mexico City – even if they live 1,300 miles away in Ciudad Juarez. To gain entry to the store, which is on a secure military base, customers must present valid identification, pass through a metal detector, yield to the security wand and surrender cellphones and cameras.

“To buy a gun, clients must submit references and prove that their income is honestly earned, that their record is free of criminal charges and that their military obligations, if any, have been fulfilled with honor. They are fingerprinted and photographed. Finally, if judged worthy of owning a small-caliber weapon to protect home and hearth, they are allowed to buy just one. And a box of bullets.

“Mexico has some of the toughest gun-control laws in the world, a matter of pride for the nation’s citizens. Yet Mexico is awash in weapons.”


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Finally the truth starts to come out. More to come, I’m sure. Can we please stop with the Christie for prez nonsense?

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 10:37 PM

All you socons guncons better get behind the big man if he decides to run in 2012, if not you are a bigot and a shriv and an old leftover from the 80′s.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 10:37 PM

Trite but true: when they outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns. Penn & Teller…..http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec7_1251312990

cynccook on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Christie is a fiscal and economic conservative but not a social one.

Hilts on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM

“Yet Mexico is awash in weapons”

See? This is why the United Nations needs to get all nations to sign on to a global small arms weapons ban.

Skandia Recluse on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM

“Mexico has some of the toughest gun-control laws in the world, a matter of pride for the nation’s citizens. Yet Mexico is awash in weapons.”

No, can’t be. Just ask a lefty. In fact, while we’re at it, we should ban fatty foods.

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Christie is a fiscal and economic conservative but not a social one.

Hilts on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM

And if we are to take the above seriously, he’s also not a Constitutional Conservative.

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Mexico is also awash in poverty, disease, filth, pollution, crime, and headless corpses. Maybe there is something wrong with the entire nation that has nothing to do with guns.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 10:42 PM

If only we could find someone who has executive experience and is demonstrably conservative in all the important areas who is simultaneously adored by the left and therefore “electable”.

The Mega Independent on December 29, 2010 at 10:43 PM

All Christie will have to say is this: “I think those issues are best decided at the local level, New Jersey is different than Texas or Montana. My stance in New Jersey was because I was governor of New Jersey.”

And he will win the nomination and the presidency.

cpaulus on December 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM

cpaulus on December 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Hmmmm….Those of us who are lifetime NRA members may disagree with that prediction. We might even campaign vigorously to ensure that it doesn’t come true.

cynccook on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM

All Christie will have to say is this: “I think those issues are best decided at the local level, New Jersey is different than Texas or Montana. My stance in New Jersey was because I was governor of New Jersey.”

And he will win the nomination and the presidency.

cpaulus on December 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM

Maybe, but the way Constitutional Law is applied in the US, our current Supreme Court would disagree.

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Chris Christie Fighting to Finish Line
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
===================================

HANNITY: All right. As governor, now one of the big debates in the Republican Party now is whether or not it’s going to be a party of Reagan and conservatism or those that want a more moderate voice?

As governor, now you’re a prosecutor, so you’re tough on crime.

CHRISTIE: Yes.

HANNITY: You’re running this campaign on fiscal responsibility.

CHRISTIE: Yes.

HANNITY: Are there any issues where you are, quote, moderate to left as a Republican?

CHRISTIE: Listen, I favor some of the gun-control measures we have in New Jersey.

HANNITY: Bad idea.

CHRISTIE: Listen, we have a densely-populated state, and there’s a big hand gun problem in New Jersey. Now, I don’t support all the things that the governor supports by a long stretch. But I think on guns — certain gun control issues, looking at it from a law-enforcement perspective, seeing how many police officers were killed, we have an illegal gun problem in New Jersey.

HANNITY: Should every — should every citizen in the state be allowed to get a licensed weapon if they want one?

CHRISTIE: In New Jersey, that’s not going to happen, Sean.

HANNITY: Why?
———————-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569805,00.html

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Mexico is also awash in poverty, disease, filth, pollution, crime, and headless corpses. Maybe there is something wrong with the entire nation that has nothing to do with guns.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 10:42 PM

I’ll go with “the place is an unfortunate 3rd world sh!thole that is essentially run by drug cartels” for $500 Alex

Sorry but its the truth. And you know I think that might have something to do with large numbers of people streaming across our Southern border. Wanting to get away from it and all.

SgtSVJones on December 29, 2010 at 10:48 PM

“Mexico has some of the toughest gun-control laws in the world, a matter of pride for the nation’s citizens.

They’re proud of their victimization? They must be bombarded with a heavy regime of propaganda about how much better off remaining defenseless against all of the people exploiting them.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM

We ought to make Christie our nominee. I mean, we HA commenters already know that social conservative issues are meaningless; we’re becoming liberal in that arena. Why not become liberal regarding gun rights? As long as it doesn’t hurt our wallets, no big deal.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 10:50 PM

They’re proud of their victimization? They must be bombarded with a heavy regime of propaganda about how much better off remaining defenseless against all of the people exploiting them.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 10:49 PM

I can’t imagine what Mexico could be proud of…

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 10:50 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM

You forgot the important part

CHRISTIE: Listen, the Democratic legislature we have, there’s no way those type of things — listen, at the end of the day, what I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect themselves, but I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there.

But listen, the issues in this race are taxes and jobs and spending.

HANNITY: It’s the economy, stupid.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569805,00.html

SgtSVJones on December 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM

Ironic, Mexico is much like Camden New Jersey. Where we refereed to Camden as the murder capitol of the world.

Christie has made it known his state has a gun problem. To which I say, he has a people problem. Guns don’t kill people.

However, as they restrict the second amendment, the further the flow of illegal guns have been made available. The Black Market respects no border, and just like the war on drugs, the demand for guns grows like an Insatiable Appetite that can never be satisfied.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 10:52 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Oof. Right out of the Brady camp.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 10:52 PM

“Mexico has some of the toughest gun-control laws in the world, a matter of pride for the nation’s citizens. Yet Mexico is awash in weapons.”

That’s because Mexico is awash in criminals.

And that includes many of its elected officials and public employees. (Sort of like in Chicago and New Jersey.)

For example.

Socratease on December 29, 2010 at 10:53 PM

An abundance of guns? What the hell does that mean? Gawd.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Christie is a fiscal and economic conservative but not a social one.

Hilts on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Gun ownership is neither a fiscal or social issue. It is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT guaranteed and protected by the United States Constitution.

If one can’t trust this fat azz loud mouth to have fidelity to one of the most basic and essential rights GUARANTEED by our Constitution, why in the hell would we want any more to do with him?

BTW, I understand that while people were dying in NJ because of the storm, Governor Lard Azz was sunning his enormous self in Florida at Disney and his LT Governor was AWOL as well.

This guy make Barack Obama look competent.

Stop falling for the flavor-of-the-month, shiny-new-object losers. They are NEVER what the seem to be.

This dip is a bigger joke than Scott Brown! People went nuts for that industrial strength RINO as well.

Christie has reached the zenith of his career. The highest level his incompetence will allow him to rise.

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Tough on guns and is for strict enforcement of existing gun laws…(Read down, near the end)

Gohawgs on December 29, 2010 at 10:58 PM

With gun laws like that no wonder Mexico’s laws are wet dreams for undistinguished assistant law instructors turned politicians….

Branch Rickey on December 29, 2010 at 10:59 PM

This guy make Barack Obama look competent.
gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Come on, now. What are you, a DNC plant?

cynccook on December 29, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Adding him to the TOP of my DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO VOTE FOR INSTEAD OF BARACK list….geesh. What the heck. Why is gun control so hard of a concept?

Minorcan Maven on December 29, 2010 at 11:02 PM

Gun Owners Ask Why Chris Christie for Governor?
Monday, October 26th, 2009 at 8:26 AM
========================================

Trenton, NJ –(AmmoLand.com)- Regardless if you are a democrat, republican or independent – if you are someone who prioritizes your enjoyment of fishing, hunting and the quality of our forests you should consider the following: The Corzine administration has neglected (or perhaps in some instances, intentionally extinguishing) many of entities that oversee fishing, hunting, hiking, biking, etc.

Mr. Christie has been vocal about his support for the outdoor community during his campaign speeches, statements on his website and during a personal interview he granted me. He attended a NJOA council member meeting to address the concerns of fishing, hunting, diving and forestry clubs and agreed to be the main speaker at last Saturday’s Rescue Our Outdoor Rally.

Mr. Christie has also received the endorsements of the Asbury Park Press, Press of Atlantic City, Courier Post, Home News Tribune and Philadelphia Inquirer.

The NJOA has done its homework and I trust each of you is doing yours. Our choice is Chris Christie for governor. Remember, election day is November 3rd. The governor’s race is very close and there is too much riding on the next four years for us to be complacent. The outdoorsmen/women of NJ can make the difference – remember, there are 650,000 of us, which is approximately 15% of all voters.

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/10/26/gun-owners-ask-why-chris-christie-for-governor/

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:02 PM

This isn’t the only issue in which Christie leans to the left.

I wonder what Glenn Beck thinks about this? I blame him for elevating this fraud.

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Come on, now. What are you, a DNC plant?

cynccook on December 29, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Too funny. You new around these parts?

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 11:04 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM
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Oof. Right out of the Brady camp.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 10:52 PM

Bishop:I do hope you mean Christie:)

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:04 PM

Socratease on December 29, 2010 at 10:53 PM

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Without, The Second Amendment, we would end up like Mexico.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM

My stance in New Jersey was because I was governor of New Jersey.”

And he will win the nomination and the presidency.

cpaulus on December 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM

And the US Constitution goes through alterations of text and meaning between New Jersey and other states?

His qualities aside, he won’t run. He cannot without his credibility dissolving. He made sacred promises.

rrpjr on December 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:04 PM

What he had to say, yes. It sounds like something the freaks at Brady would say.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 11:07 PM

we’re becoming liberal in that arena. Why not become liberal regarding gun rights? As long as it doesn’t hurt our wallets, no big deal.

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 10:50 PM

itsnotaboutme:Whats with all this Bleed`nHeart Touchy/Feely
verbage,piff,LIBERALIZATION IS DEAD!

Progressive Socialism is the NEW LEFT!!

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM

This isn’t the only issue in which Christie leans to the left.

I wonder what Glenn Beck thinks about this? I blame him for elevating this fraud.

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:03 PM

Christie is a One Note Johnny, he has only one redeeming quality, and that’s his stance against unions, and trying to get NJ’s spending under control. NJ is better off with him than without, and they can keep him!

Thankfully he knows his shtick won’t play nationwide, which is why he’s declared quite loudly he’s not running.

You actually have to respect him for that. A man has GOT to know his limitations.

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Without, The Second Amendment, we would end up like Mexico.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Amen and mahalo brother!

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 11:11 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:04 PM
====================
What he had to say, yes. It sounds like something the freaks at Brady would say.

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 11:07 PM

Bishop:Gotcha,well,its unfortunate what happened to Brady,
but what was even worse,was the Liberals co-opting
him for the posterboy on their gun agenda,very sim
ilar,to the Anti-War crowd who used Cindy Sheehan!:)

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Wow.

A GOP gun grabber and proud of it.

There go his chances of ever being a serious national candidate. A regional YouTube celebrity type perhaps and good governor, but it will be hard for him to ever survive a GOP primary when he doesn’t support the 2nd amendment.

Of course, for a northeast politician this is fine and should help smooth over any rift he might have created with some of the libs over his lashing out at teachers and the unions.

This almost could be described as a possible healing moment between Christie and his liberal counterparts.

chief on December 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Do you remember all the grief Beck gave Palin on his show for endorsing McCain, Perry, and Rand Paul?

You’d think he might be just a wee bit critical of Christie for standing shoulder to shoulder with Mike Castle and proclaiming him the conservative in the race. Nope….

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Is it ok for me to draw a line in the sand now or would that make me some sort of caveman’ish bigot?

Bishop on December 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM

You actually have to respect him for that. A man has GOT to know his limitations.

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM

And living within the boundaries of his state.

His stand against the Public Unions and their pensions needs to be echoed across the country. But that’s another post.

You are correct, the right to protect your family and property is a God Given Right, and is included in the Constitution.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM

All Christie will have to say is this: “I think those issues are best decided at the local level, New Jersey is different than Texas or Montana. My stance in New Jersey was because I was governor of New Jersey.”

And he will win the nomination and the presidency.

cpaulus on December 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM

That will never fly.

FloatingRock on December 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM

OK, on 2nd Amendment he is weak. What does he say about a nuclear armed Iran?

AshleyTKing on December 29, 2010 at 11:24 PM

Rand Paul?

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Really? I don’t remember that, but that would be interesting if that was true.

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 11:27 PM

Rand Paul?

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Really? I don’t remember that, but that would be interesting if that was true.

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 11:27 PM

Yes, it was shortly after the endorsement. They all sat around and mocked her for it. I would imagine he would like to have that one back.

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:34 PM

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Without, The Second Amendment, we would end up like Mexico.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Kini:This is also an eye-opener!:)
==========================================================
Wednesday, 22 December 2010
The World’s Largest Army?

Here’s a news item from the editor of The Tribune, a weekly published in North Carolina.

The World’s Largest Army. American Hunters?

The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That’s great. There were over 600,000 hunters. Allow me to restate that number. Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world — more men under arms than Iran ; more than France and Germany combined — deployed to the woods of a single American state to help keep the deer menace at bay. But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting – it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national security!

http://www.theospark.net/2010/12/worlds-largest-army.html

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM

Wow.

A GOP gun grabber and proud of it.

chief on December 29, 2010 at 11:13 PM

The most famous gun grabbers are GOP. Jim and Sarah BRADY are both Republicans.

As a general rule, democrats are worse, but the GOP in the northeast is populated almost exclusively by ruling class elites who loathe that the peasants/country class can defend themselves against all the “good things” that should be done to them.

CPL 310 on December 29, 2010 at 11:38 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 10:47 PM
=============
You forgot the important part

But listen, the issues in this race are taxes and jobs and spending.

HANNITY: It’s the economy, stupid.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569805,00.html

SgtSVJones on December 29, 2010 at 10:51 PM

SgtSVJones: Good point,I didn`t want to post the entire
interview,AP might smack my knuckles so to
speak!!

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Yes, it was shortly after the endorsement. They all sat around and mocked her for it. I would imagine he would like to have that one back.

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Oh, wow. I thought he was all for Rand Paul. Why would they mock her for that?

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 11:41 PM

“Japan would never invade the United States. We would find a harshly worded letter behind every blade of grass.”

Yamamoto in the liberal alternate world

Enough said?

GnuBreed on December 29, 2010 at 11:45 PM

And living within the boundaries of his state.

His stand against the Public Unions and their pensions needs to be echoed across the country. But that’s another post.

You are correct, the right to protect your family and property is a God Given Right, and is included in the Constitution.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM

You can’t help but respect the guy for his stance against unions in the mafia capital of the known universe, but everything else about the cat is just troubling.

He’s more like a northeast liberal who accidentally is good on something most aren’t. He’s Romney, but actually somewhat competent.

His stance on gun rights is totally unacceptable and in direct competition with our founders.

I wonder how tough NJ’s actual laws are? Do the have a death penalty, and do they use it? Start sending murderers back home to Jesus and you’ll eventually either wipe em out or wise em up.

It’s funny, I just watched the local news here. We are close to Waco, which is a rougher town than ours. We have a good police force and little crime.

Anyhow, they showed CCTV video of two armed nimrods who walked into a smoke shop over in east Waco and robbed the store. The clerks were compliant, as the bandits got the jump on them, but as soon as one had the chance he grabbed his 38 and unloaded it on the two thugs!

They got away, but he hit at least one of em.

I’m sure in NJ they’d hang the guy, but here he’s a hero and will probably be doing ads for Smith & Wesson!

Texas has STRONG castle laws. Used to the bad guy had to at least be in your house. Now you just have to feel threatened.

There was an old guy down in Pasadena [Houston] whose neighbors were out of town, and were being robbed. The old guy called 9/11 then walked out and shot up the robbers while he had the police on the phone!

There was an investigation, but no charges filed. At least not against the old man. The robbers however …

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 11:48 PM

I just get this vibe that Christie is just fiscally conservative. I don’t see him standing up for other conservative values.

Iblis on December 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Let me bold the important part because yet again you skipped it.

CHRISTIE: Listen, the Democratic legislature we have, there’s no way those type of things — listen, at the end of the day, what I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect themselves, but I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there.

I dislike this weaselly stance but unfortunately IT’S TRUE! In NJ at least :(

SgtSVJones on December 29, 2010 at 11:56 PM

Christie is a fiscal and economic conservative but not a social one.

[Hilts on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM]

I think you are being too generous. I’d like to think there is a difference between a fiscal/economic conservative and someone who maintains big government in a manner that does not drive to bankruptcy, so I’ll wait another couple of years before I’d use that term for Christie.

Dusty on December 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM

As a general rule, democrats are worse, but the GOP in the northeast is populated almost exclusively by ruling class elites who loathe that the peasants/country class can defend themselves against all the “good things” that should be done to them.

CPL 310 on December 29, 2010 at 11:38 PM

People forget the founders foresaw a time where the citizenry might have to actually overthrow the government, or at the very least threaten as much.

One of Jefferson’s more famous quotes, from a letter to William Smith:

“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebelli0n.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed.

The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance?

Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

Strong medicine. It would do our leaders of today to understand this.

gary4205 on December 30, 2010 at 12:00 AM

Can we now please stop pretending this RINO is a contender for 2012?

Thank you.

Norwegian on December 30, 2010 at 12:05 AM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:40 PM
===============
Let me bold the important part because yet again you skipped it.

I dislike this weaselly stance but unfortunately IT’S TRUE! In NJ at least :(

SgtSVJones on December 29, 2010 at 11:56 PM

SgtSVJones:Listen, the Democratic legislature we have, there’s no way those type of things…….

So,hes Kow towing,and RINO`ing,terrific,!:)

canopfor on December 30, 2010 at 12:07 AM

Can we now please stop pretending this RINO is a contender for 2012?

Thank you.

Norwegian on December 30, 2010 at 12:05 AM

Norwegian:Ugh,I didn`t want to believe that!!

canopfor on December 30, 2010 at 12:09 AM

“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebelli0n.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed.

The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance?

Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

Strong medicine. It would do our leaders of today to understand this.

gary4205 on December 30, 2010 at 12:00 AM

That was one of the more irresponsible things he ever said.

AshleyTKing on December 30, 2010 at 12:12 AM

Mexico is awash with weapons because Mexico is dirt frakking poor in rule of law.

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:12 AM

I can’t imagine what Mexico could be proud of…

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Taking back California…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on December 30, 2010 at 12:15 AM

I wonder how tough NJ’s actual laws are? Do the have a death penalty, and do they use it? Start sending murderers back home to Jesus and you’ll eventually either wipe em out or wise em up.

gary4205 on December 29, 2010 at 11:48 PM

New Jersey did have, a Capitol Punishment Law, it was repealed by the poster boy of corporate corruption, John Corzine.

The last time New Jersey carried out the death penalty was in 1963.

The most infamous, was the execution of Bruno Richard Hauptmann, for the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh baby.

However, since then, the wholesale corruption of State and Local government, declined the state of New Jersey into a whirlpool of Mafia Crime, Bloods and Crypts, gang on gang warfare. With government unwilling and unable to stop it.

That’s where Christie’s head it at. However, New Jersey’s laws, not just the gun laws, but the over-reaching hand of extreme liberal attitudes, drove the state to the mess it’s dealing with today.

Part of that blame goes directly to the Public Unions. They bone-sucked the state dry of money to properly fight crime by burdening the people with crushing property taxes.

The average deer hunter is made to jump through hoops so much, hunting is better off driving at 55 at night on the back roads, because you’re more likely to bag a deer that way.

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:17 AM

OK, I might as well get some action started since everyone seems to be on the same page here!

Let’s face is gentlemen and gentlewomen, there is only ONE person we know we can trust to actually lead, and be right on every issue that matters.

Do I even have to say HER name?

It’s time top quit screwing around and lusting after the latest greatest new shiny object that no one knows anything about. It never, EVER turns out well.

There’s only one person that has been vetted to the Nth degree and passes with flying colors.

Let’s make sure she is our next President and stop stressing over this crap!

Life would be much simpler. [and happier]

gary4205 on December 30, 2010 at 12:18 AM

If Christie was as draconian about gun control as Bloomy, he wouldn’t have commuted Aitken’s sentence. I suspect his public statements on gun control are less about conviction than about getting elected in a deep blue state.

Caiwyn on December 30, 2010 at 12:21 AM

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:17 AM

And part of the blame goes to Yankee culture. They could use more cottonwoods and less nurf cuffs.

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:23 AM

And part of the blame goes to Yankee culture. They could use more cottonwoods and less nurf cuffs.

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:23 AM

Must be what they put in the Pot Roast.

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:25 AM

itsnotaboutme on December 29, 2010 at 10:50 PM

LOL-you must be a city slicker who still believes the police exist to protect you.

chemman on December 30, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Christie is a fiscal and economic conservative but not a social one.

Hilts on December 29, 2010 at 10:38 PM

And if we are to take the above seriously, he’s also not a Constitutional Conservative.

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 10:40 PM

Exactly my thoughts. I came late to this :-)

antisocial on December 30, 2010 at 12:32 AM

New Jersey did have, a Capitol Punishment Law, it was repealed by the poster boy of corporate corruption, John Corzine.

The last time New Jersey carried out the death penalty was in 1963.

The most infamous, was the execution of Bruno Richard Hauptmann, for the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh baby.

However, since then, the wholesale corruption of State and Local government, declined the state of New Jersey into a whirlpool of Mafia Crime, Bloods and Crypts, gang on gang warfare. With government unwilling and unable to stop it.

That’s where Christie’s head it at. However, New Jersey’s laws, not just the gun laws, but the over-reaching hand of extreme liberal attitudes, drove the state to the mess it’s dealing with today.

Part of that blame goes directly to the Public Unions. They bone-sucked the state dry of money to properly fight crime by burdening the people with crushing property taxes.

The average deer hunter is made to jump through hoops so much, hunting is better off driving at 55 at night on the back roads, because you’re more likely to bag a deer that way.

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:17 AM

I thank our God Almighty every day for having the good sense to have me born in Texas!

We execute the sh!t out of the bad guys here!

We had one gal who was a brutal killer who “found God” and even our normally gung ho death penalty folks wanted Bush to commute her sentence to life, without parole. He wasn’t having any of it. He figured she would be in good hands when she got to heaven.

Bush also got pissed when a bunch of race baiters cried foul because the vile scum that dragged a black man to death behind their car in East Texas weren’t charged with a “hate crime.” These dirt bags had already been sentenced to die.

Bush said we can only kill em once, and all crimes are “hate crimes.” Bush didn’t play!

Texas actually worked to expedite the process, which led comedian Ron White to say “Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty, my state’s putting in an express lane!”

We still have crime, of course, but not nearly as much violent crime as other places.

gary4205 on December 30, 2010 at 12:33 AM

Hunting – it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national security!

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM

You should send that to Sarah Palin, because that is a Great Campaign Slogan.

Bravo my friend, BRAVO!

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:33 AM

Bravo my friend, BRAVO!

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:33 AM

Yeah…it is sad that a Cannuck has to tell Americans about Common Sense.

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Yes, it was shortly after the endorsement. They all sat around and mocked her for it. I would imagine he would like to have that one back.

takeamericabackin10 on December 29, 2010 at 11:34 PM
Oh, wow. I thought he was all for Rand Paul. Why would they mock her for that?

MeatHeadinCA on December 29, 2010 at 11:41 PM

In all fairness to Beck, it was within days of her endorsement. Beck was equating Rand with his father. I think he came around eventually, but it took a while. He also mocked her for her endorsement of Perry, until he had his 911 truther primary opponent on. Once again, Palin right…Beck wrong. Beck’s wrong on Christie too.

takeamericabackin10 on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 AM

He’s more like a northeast liberal who accidentally is good on something most aren’t. He’s Romney, but actually somewhat competent.

His stance on gun rights is totally unacceptable and in direct competition with our founders.

Exactly right. Not much to add.

This means he could never be a successful GOP candidate for national office.

Next!

P.M. on December 30, 2010 at 12:38 AM

We still have crime, of course, but not nearly as much violent crime as other places.

gary4205 on December 30, 2010 at 12:33 AM

A lot of that has to do with your Governor’s leadership. A society working, with individual rights and personal responsibilities, profits to it future and well-being. Your state, has a huge family value culture, that respects the individual, while being charitable to the unfortunate.

Your low unemployment, low taxes, are a perfect formula for a “Government By The People”

Other states have adopted the “Government For The People”.

Reflect on that.

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:47 AM

RINO alert, rino alert. christe exposed as RINO news at 11

unseen on December 30, 2010 at 12:47 AM

Yeah…it is sad that a Cannuck has to tell Americans about Common Sense.

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Outside, looking in.

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:48 AM

That was one of the more irresponsible things he ever said.

AshleyTKing on December 30, 2010 at 12:12 AM

Yeah, Jefferson was such a douche.

He was probably reading from this kind of crazy, violent, anti-government crap:

and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

What the heck are these people thinking? They should accept their rulers because they know what’s best for them. They’re a bunch of teab*gging racist rednecks anyway.
/heavy sarc

AshleyTKing, you need to learn some things. Consider the origin of this quote from 1946:
“‘N*gger, you can’t vote here today!!’”
When you’ve learned about 2A having been used to overthrow dictatorships INSIDE the US, then maybe you’ll start to see.

CPL 310 on December 30, 2010 at 12:58 AM

canopfor on December 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM
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You should send that to Sarah Palin, because that is a Great Campaign Slogan.

Bravo my friend, BRAVO!

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:33 AM

Kini:Oh that is a good point,trust me when Cuda runs,I’ll
be e-mailing her alot!

That was a good article,and sooo true!:)

canopfor on December 30, 2010 at 1:01 AM

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 AM
===========================
Outside, looking in.

Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:48 AM

Kini:From my Beaver Perch,er wait that doesn’t sound right,
hehe!:)

canopfor on December 30, 2010 at 1:02 AM

Yeah…it is sad that a Cannuck has to tell Americans about Common Sense.

Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Limerick:)

canopfor on December 30, 2010 at 1:03 AM

Without, The Second Amendment, we would end up like Mexico.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM

Without the second amendment we would end up like 1942 Germany.

tencole on December 30, 2010 at 1:06 AM

It was a blast,

Kini,Lim,everyone else,GoodNight,Swwet Dreams:)

canopfor on December 30, 2010 at 1:09 AM

Yep, CC is done as far as being a national candidate.

Mirimichi on December 30, 2010 at 1:47 AM

I can’t believe I ignored this thread so long…

“Mexico has some of the toughest gun-control laws in the world, a matter of pride for the nation’s citizens. Yet Mexico is awash in weapons.”

Of course it is…. its all the Americanos sneaking de gunz down dere. 90%!!!! 90% from el norte!!11!!
/

El_Terrible on December 30, 2010 at 1:47 AM

And living within the boundaries of his state.

His stand against the Public Unions and their pensions needs to be echoed across the country. But that’s another post.

You are correct, the right to protect your family and property is a God Given Right, and is included in the Constitution.

Kini on December 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM

Unfortunately, public employee unions, their pensions and federal entitlements are the single greatest threat to the nation at this hour.

All it takes is an electable candidate who can pinpoint the major threat and show the willingness to tackle it head on.

Christie has done that.

Plus he’s very intelligent, can speak for an hour or more without a script, in a substantive way.

He’s electable and would command a wide swath of independent voters if he chooses to run for the presidency.

rickyricardo on December 30, 2010 at 2:10 AM

CPL 310 on December 30, 2010 at 12:58 AM

The first quote Jefferson casually endorses periodic rebellions by ignorant mobs as a good thing.

The quote you provided from the Declaration is solidly Locke: when your liberty is in grave danger, you must protect it with your life if necessary.

The first is irresponsible. The second is not.

AshleyTKing on December 30, 2010 at 2:19 AM

You know what being a gun grabber doesn’t make you in a national GOP primary contest?

Electable.

Choke on it, “moderates”.

SuperCool on December 30, 2010 at 2:35 AM

Christie has jumped the shark!..:(

Dire Straits on December 30, 2010 at 4:02 AM

The first quote Jefferson casually endorses periodic rebellions by ignorant mobs as a good thing.

The quote you provided from the Declaration is solidly Locke: when your liberty is in grave danger, you must protect it with your life if necessary.

The first is irresponsible. The second is not.

AshleyTKing on December 30, 2010 at 2:19 AM

According to you. And probably this guy.

Your determination of difference between the two is entirely subjective.

Liberty is always in grave danger. Or if you prefer:

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.

The condition of man being free is an aberration throughout human history. Freedom, though truly of nature, is no longer natural due to dictators throughout history.

King George would argue that the rebellion in the states is a periodic rebellion by an ignorant mob against his benevolent reign.

CPL 310 on December 30, 2010 at 4:21 AM

good morning my HA family!

cmsinaz on December 30, 2010 at 6:34 AM

As far as guns go…my husband has a virtual armory in our house. So, I don’t have any problem with people owning guns.

But I do think that whoever gets that nomination and wins will have some ideas or stances that I do not agree with. Considering the fact that there are over 300 million Americans, it is inevitable that no one can please us all on everything all the time.

I hope whoever wins the nomination is fiscally conservative, for the sake of our economy. I also hope that person is electable in a general election so that we don’t get stuck with 4 more years of Obama…and it would be nice if that person was competent and tough.

Christie still says he is not running. If people have a problem with anything he says, they can question him about it..I don’t get the impression that the man is shy about telling you what he thinks.

Terrye on December 30, 2010 at 7:01 AM

This is why the GOP needs to make sure they don’t make the same mistake Democrats did and pick the newest “superstar” for their presidential nomination. Republicans need a candidate with a track record so voters know exactly where they stand. I’ve admired Christie’s budget fight and his outspoken attitude but this inability to grasp the simple, basic meaning of the Second Amendment is beyond the pale. He argues that not every citizen of NJ who wants to legally purchase a firearm, to exercise their Constitutional rights, is “not going to happen”.

That’s not the sort of man America needs in the White House no matter what his fiscal credentials. If he’ll ignore one of the core tenets of the Constitution then all this talk of a run for President needs to stop right here and now.

I’m particularly offended by his argument that NJ has an illegal guns problem and that their draconian gun laws need to remain in place because of the number of cops killed. He seems to have no regard for how many citizens might protect themselves and their families from harm merely by exercising their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

In short, he prefers disarming the citizens, violating the Constitution and placing them directly in harm’s way, in order to somehow prevent illegal guns from killing cops. Why Hannity didn’t press him on the conflict between illegal guns in the hands of criminals and legal guns in the hands of the law-abiding is beyond me.

Christie needs to stay in NJ and out of the White House.

Jay Mac on December 30, 2010 at 7:26 AM

The first quote Jefferson casually endorses periodic rebellions by ignorant mobs as a good thing.

The quote you provided from the Declaration is solidly Locke: when your liberty is in grave danger, you must protect it with your life if necessary.

The first is irresponsible. The second is not.

AshleyTKing on December 30, 2010 at 2:19 AM

You don’t understand Jefferson’s quote. He wasn’t calling the rebels ignorant – he was saying the opposite.

Enjoy your chains.

fossten on December 30, 2010 at 7:55 AM

Christie is a fiscal and economic conservative but not a social one.

(read as social and pro-second amendment being the same)

Since when does standing up for guns to protect the money you make from the greedy hands of thieves, be they elected or wear a mask, make one a, God forbid,social conservative? It is funny to watch so called fiscal conservatives think they can have half of reality (money) without a God-centered moral base of good guys (yes, some with guns) to protect them from the arbitrary theft of their worldly treasure.

A complete conservative is both a social con and a fiscal con. It is the left that divides – when the right does it -they lose and America loses.

Don L on December 30, 2010 at 8:06 AM

As a general rule, democrats are worse, but the GOP in the northeast is populated almost exclusively by ruling class elites who loathe that the peasants/country class can defend themselves against all the “good things” that should be done to them.

CPL 310 on December 29, 2010 at 11:38 PM

The Live Free or Die state should not be included in your broad brush of the Northeast GOP.

NH GOP Leaders Propose Lifting Ban On State House Guns: NH House Republican leaders want to lift a ban on guns and oth… http://bit.ly/gRf9VD

rslancer14 on December 30, 2010 at 8:08 AM

Butch Otter, the recently re-elected gov of Idaho, comes to mind. He is a fiscal conservative and that state seems to be in good shape money wise. He also told people who have a problem with wolves to shoot them since the feds don’t seem to want to manage those predators properly. Seems rather Palinesque to me.

Kissmygrits on December 30, 2010 at 8:27 AM

CPL 310 on December 30, 2010 at 12:58 AM

Great link. Everyone should click and read.
The Battle of Athens, (Tenn.)”
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm

BigAlSouth on December 30, 2010 at 8:32 AM

And part of the blame goes to Yankee culture. They could use more cottonwoods and less nurf cuffs.
Limerick on December 30, 2010 at 12:23 AM
Must be what they put in the Pot Roast.
Kini on December 30, 2010 at 12:25 AM

If only pot roast was what it sounded like

JohnGalt23 on December 30, 2010 at 8:33 AM

From StrategyPage – America’s Secret Army:

Most American men are unaware that they are in the army, or, as described by the Militia Act of 1903 (popularly known as the Dick Act), the unorganized militia. The main purpose of the Dick Act was to sort out over a century of confusion over the relationship between the state militias (now known as the National Guard) and the federal forces. The 1903 law was the first of many laws hammered out to create the system now in use. But in the last century, not much attention has been paid to the little known “unorganized militia” angle. This force contained every able-bodied adult male who was not a part of the organized militia. The 1903 law legalized the right not to be part of the organized militia, because a 1792 law had mandated that every adult male be part of the militia. The problem was, most men didn’t want to be bothered. To deal with this, state governors created two classes of militia; paid (who trained and were armed and organized into units) and unorganized (everyone else.)

Yes if you are able bodied, no matter how much you may detest arms, you are in the unorganized militia!

And the States may ‘regulate’ the militia, but may not outlaw it or restrict entrance to it save for felons and those disbarred from ownership of arms due to mental incapacity. In fact some of the Heller back-up documents demonstrate the concept of arms are for those arms that a single individual could carry and use without assistance – thus no crew served weapons for bearing, but you could KEEP such arms and could be called upon them to help defend nearby locales under attack. Keeping and bearing of arms of military type for the militia goes back into English history, at least as far as the Norman Conquest.

The problem with the gun laws of the US are that they are trying to prevent individual ownership (keeping) of arms and the carrying (bearing) of man portable arms. This is an unalienable right – to keep and bear arms, not a grant by the State but a positive liberty held by you to protect yourself, your family and your worldly goods from unlawful seizure and attack. That is not only the right of self-defense, it is the positive liberty of warfare that is defensive in character and type beyond the self: when unlawful war is waged upon you, you have the right to lawful defense against such war.

We decided to slack off on our positive liberties and rights in America because it is a burden to carry them all. Yet those who Founded this Nation paid dearly for that burden so that it is yours to have, not something for the State to play with. And as our enemies use some of the most lethal weapons of war to go after us as citizens and a Nation it is our right as citizens to arm ourselves in self-defense against those who do more than merely criminal acts and organize amongst ourselves so that our enemies will not find us wanting if and when our governments fail us.

ajacksonian on December 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM

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