New Hawaii governor: We’re going to put a stop to this Birther crap once and for all

posted at 5:09 pm on December 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

Exceptionally stupid. Although, if he’s intent on digging up background on The One, I wouldn’t mind seeing what he comes up with by way of transcripts from Columbia.

“It’s an insult to his mother and to his father, and I knew his mother and father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that,” Governor Abercrombie said in a telephone interview late Thursday. “It’s an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office.”

The governor, a Democrat and former congressman, said he has initiated conversations with the state’s attorney general and the chief of its Health Department about how he can release more explicit documentation of Mr. Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. He said he has done so of his own accord, without consulting the White House, which declined to comment…

Mr. Abercrombie, 72, said that although he did not see the elder Obamas at the hospital with their newborn son, he did remember the couple bringing the baby to social events. He says the critics who suggest that Mr. Obama’s mother slipped off to Kenya to give birth are engaging in a “demonological fantasy.” And he is angry about legislation in several states that would require presidential candidates to document that they were born in this country. A similar bill died in Congress last year.

First, and apropos of nothing, my mind is blown by the fact that the governor of Hawaii remembers the president of the United States as an infant. But never mind that. Why is this tool dredging up an issue that, mercifully, had begun to go away? Hawaii’s records department received only 16 requests for Obama’s birth certificate in November, down from 50 or so a month last year. Higher courts have waved away multiple Birther petitions, and the court-martial of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin ended with him pleading guilty to failing to report for duty. This subject has no traction, in other words, either legally or in mainstream media, and thus had probably never been fringier when Abercrombie spoke up and decided to treat it as a problem that needs solving. Even his personal testimony about having seen Obama as a baby in Hawaii won’t count for anything among true believers, since he admits that he wasn’t at the hospital for the delivery — which is too bad, since it would have been fun to watch them come up with theories to explain even that inconvenient fact away. (It was a changeling!)

This guy’s now placed himself in the following position. Either he inadvertently revives the Birther movement by crusading for a new law to make long-form birth certificates public without the approval of the individuals to whom they belong or he decides nothing can be done legally and backs off, which will itself inflame Birthers by inspiring dark theories about pressure on him from the White House to quiet down. And of course, since Abercrombie’s a liberal Democrat, if he does somehow manage to produce the long-form certificate and it confirms that Obama’s birth happened as alleged, skeptics will dismiss it as a forgery planted by an ideological ally to throw Birthers off the scent of the “real” birth certificate. He can’t win here. Why would he even try?


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Obama was a notorious suck-up at HLS (in fact, his fellow students created a suck-up meter in his honor).

Heh. That’s cute. Link?

And do you honestly think the HLS professoriate would allow the first African-American president of their Law Review to graduate without Latin honors?

SukieTawdry on December 27, 2010 at 8:02 PM

….yeah. I’m not sure what the “professoriate” would have to do with it anyway. Law school grading is blind, and the registrar’s office calculates GPA and determines whether someone receives latin honors. Your conspiracy theories are sort of endearing, but that’s not how law schools work.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 8:09 PM

ctmom on December 27, 2010 at 8:04 PM

If you’re ready for another “crazy conspiracy theory”…
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/05/obama_gay_coverup.php
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/washington-insider-obama-member-of-chicago-gay-mans-club/

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 8:09 PM

If you’re ready for another “crazy conspiracy theory”…
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/05/obama_gay_coverup.php
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/washington-insider-obama-member-of-chicago-gay-mans-club/

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Is there a nickname yet for people that believe Obama is a closet homosexual?

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

If you’re ready for another “crazy conspiracy theory”…
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/05/obama_gay_coverup.php
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/washington-insider-obama-member-of-chicago-gay-mans-club/

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 8:09 PM

LOL. You guys are awesome, seriously. I’m gonna miss this kind of stuff when you’re swept under the rug the next time the Repubs are in power.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 8:13 PM

“Why has the president himself not demanded they put out the original documents?” Matthews wonders.

For heaven’s sake, it was Obama who arranged with Gov. Lingle to have his BC sealed. At the time, they publicly stated some inanity about identity theft.

SukieTawdry on December 27, 2010 at 8:15 PM

Is there a nickname yet for people that believe Obama is a closet homosexual?

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Obahomophobe?

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 8:15 PM

Boofererers?

KZnextzone on December 27, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Is there a nickname yet for people that believe Obama is a closet homosexual?

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

None that I know of, but if there is, I bet it’s hilarious.

I’m gonna miss this kind of stuff when you’re swept under the rug the next time the Repubs are in power.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 8:13 PM

With Issa unleashed, America finding out that Obama is gay, will be the least of his problems. I also find your ignoring the four states that will require 0bama’s long form birth certificate to be, well, hilarious.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Is there a nickname yet for people that believe Obama is a closet homosexual?

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Or maybe just BHO-mophobes?

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 8:20 PM

Look, I don’t believe he was born in Kenya but, I also don’t believe he was born in Hawaii. I just don’t know where he was born.

I don’t know of one person that knows besides his Mom (r.i.p) his Grandma (r.i.p.) To my knowledge he has yet to show a valid document that proves where he was born. He could very well be from Hawaii, we just don’t know.
There are folks that say they have seen a Kenyan B.C., there are folks that trust a certificate of live birth and a blurb from the penny saver. I have heard that his Grandma attests that she saw him born in Kenya.

It just seems that everything in his past is smoke and mirrors at this point. Columbia? Harvard? Acorn? Obama? Sotoro?
“WHO IS HE? WHY IS HE HERE?”
Someday the truth will all come out and, it very well may be that he was telling the truth the whole time.

You just have to have faith in him for now.

esnap on December 27, 2010 at 8:22 PM

LOL. You guys are awesome, seriously. I’m gonna miss this kind of stuff when you’re swept under the rug the next time the Repubs are in power.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 8:13 PM

I’m sure your comrades on the left will fill the void, just like they’ve always done.

malclave on December 27, 2010 at 8:25 PM

You just have to have faith in him for now.

esnap on December 27, 2010 at 8:22 PM

Can we go with psalm 146?

Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation.

Or, would you prefer Reagan?

Trust, but verify…

Either way, I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request.
(Means no.)

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM

The whole issue has been won by the “birthers” already.

Texas, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona, will require all presidential candidates to produce actual evidence they are constitutionally eligible for the office – ie a long form birth certificate.

0bama will have to produce same, forfeit 85 electoral votes, or simply not run.

I’m guessing he won’t run, rather than produce it.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Does anyone know if all states issue long form birth certificates?

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM

crr6, your faith in the “blindness” of grading is quite touching. Also ridiculously naive, especially for someone who claims to have been around.

SukieTawdry on December 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM

In the 80s. A long time ago…

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 7:14 PM
I was there in the 90s which sadly also feels like a long time ago. Ugh I’m getting old.

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 7:23 PM

And I’m way old.

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:31 PM

SukieTawdry on December 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Nice screen name, btw..

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 8:31 PM

Does anyone know if all states issue long form birth certificates?

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Yes. In the year he was born it would have been long form and available on microfische.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Obama the biggest Nigerian Scam every pull off in the US
/s

Seriously I want to know if he took manitory Koran classes in Indonesia

William Amos on December 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Does anyone know if all states issue long form birth certificates?

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:29 PM
Yes. In the year he was born it would have been long form and available on microfische.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2010 at 8:34 PM

I’m thinking about the laws in Texas and elsewhere that apparently require a long form certificate going forward. Would there be any situations where someone born in the US couldn’t get a long form certificate? (From what I can find, it looks like each state sets its own rules on what it produces for birth certificates.)

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM

This guy is the first African American President of the United States. His mere existence is historic. Everything about him is of significant historic value. Any historian of any note in this country (unless they were a partisan liberal) should be clamoring for the disclosure of every thing about the history of this most public man in the history of the world. He has no recognizable right to privacy ferchrissake, he is POTUS!!! The color of his poop is of historic significance, not to mention his original vital records. It simply boggles my mind that anyone but a partisan would think his original vital records should not be immediately disclosed.

Remember, that COLB he disclosed to the Kos kids only creates prima facie evidence of its contents. It is presumed accurate and is sufficient to carry the day — UNLESS the presumption is rebutted by other evidence. That means anyone with standing should be able to challenge his birth place. In such a challenge, Obama would present and rely on his COLB and his contemporaneous birth announcements. The challenger should be able to take discovery, issue subpoenas, view original vital records, depose crazy aunts and present the best case they can. Then some judge or jury should decide whether the evidence presented by the challengers rebuts the President’s presumption. It should bother everyone that in our justice system no one seems to have standing the challenge this issue or even take discovery to potentially challenge this issue. Even the officer facing prison time was never allowed to conduct discovery to support his defense. Sure, Obama is entitled to a presumption of citizen hood, but can no one challenge that presumption?

Also remember, the right to privacy is not absolute. It must always be weighed against the other parties right or need to know. It is just a birth certificate and he is POTUS ferchrissake. How compelling is his right to privacy really? We all have a compelling countervailing interest to know this trivial information about the most powerful man on the planet. It is certainly more compelling than his right to continue to conceal this information. The good lieutenant facing court martial certainly had a compelling interest. Future presidential historians have compelling countervailing interests to see these records. The only interest that I do not find compelling is Obama’s (POTUS with a constitutional eligibility requirement to meet). He has zero interest in keeping this information private.

It is all nonsense and hopelessly political. It is a one-sided political food fight. The left is raising nonsensical justification to keep this information secret. The right is just bending over and taking it, if not actually ostracizing its own wanting to fight this battle. Then the left demagogues the hell out of the issue anyway.

tommylotto on December 27, 2010 at 8:50 PM

For Abercrombie to have seen Obama as a baby being shown around at parties by Mom and Dad means that Barry was less than 6 weeks old. Mom moved to the mainland to return to college not long after his birth and Dad went back East to continue his studies in how to assist the Left to take over the world. If he was a friend of Mom and Dad, then he’d have further verification of a very recent local birth since M&D most likely would have talked about it like all other new parents who can’t stop talking, talking about baby. Where are the other partygoers who saw the little guy wrapped in swaddling clothes? The valid point made is that Barry is not a “natural born” citizen because of the age and residency requirement for mother and the British citizenship of his Kenyan father. Born in Hawaii or not, doesn’t matter. Regardless, Barry is a disaster as President and should be defeated in 2012.

Mae on December 27, 2010 at 8:51 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 8:09 PM

Riiiiight. Cuz nobody in the history of law school has ever advanced based on who they were vs. what they did. Are you really this naive in real life?

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Would there be any situations where someone born in the US couldn’t get a long form certificate? (From what I can find, it looks like each state sets its own rules on what it produces for birth certificates.)

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Can Hawaii? That’s what matters right?

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Every American birth gets a long form birth certificate.

In the last couple decades, states started transcribing the data into a database, putting the original on microfiche, and issuing short forms printed from the database. But folks interested in genealogy can get a printout of the original long form.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Rebar, here’s what I’m concerned about (in the future).

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child’s birth The long form usually includes parents’ information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child’s birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents.

Long forms may become obsolete in years to come, as many states have begun to use Electronic Birth Registration systems. The use of these systems will enable information typically seen on certified copies (long forms) to be available in computer databases that typically issue short form certificates, thus eliminating the need for “hard copy” long form certificates and having all birth information stored in computer databases only. This benefits parents in many ways; registration can be completed via computer at the hospital, meaning that parents can stop by their Vital Statistics office on the way home from the hospital to purchase the birth certificate instantly. It also means that the extra cost for long form certificates will no longer be a factor.

http://apostille.us/abc/birth_certificate_long_form_.shtml

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM

Give this a read and you will see who sealed the records and notice the date.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13489

mixplix on December 27, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Besides seeing O’bama’s college transcripts from Hahvuhd and Colombia, I would also like to see how he fared earlier, at Occidental. What are they hiding? After all, sometimes, you have to go to the root of the tree to ferret out the parasites.

Del Dolemonte on December 27, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Riiiiight. Cuz nobody in the history of law school has ever advanced based on who they were vs. what they did.
angryed on December 27, 2010 at 8:52 PM

….

All I’m saying is that law schools don’t just “give out” latin honors. It’s based strictly on grades/class rank. And (with the exception of a seminar or two) those grades are determined using a “blind” grading method where the teacher doesn’t know whose exam they are grading. Now I’m sorry that this process conflicts with your fanciful conspiracy theories, but that’s just the way it is. If professors could give out grades randomly based on their personal feelings towards certain students, no one would go to law school because it’d be a glorified networking session where individual merit and grades don’t matter. That is to say, it’d be like B-school (I kid, I kid).

So could you outline more specifically what your theory is as to how Obama graduated magna cum laude without actually graduating magna cum laude? Because you just keep saying vague things like “you’re naive” or whatever, but you haven’t really explained how you think that happened. Walk me through it. Step by step.

Presumably a number of people would have to violate university policy, and they would have to keep it secret for years on end. So tell me how they did that.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:05 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 5:27 PM

With you having your lips firmly pressed against Zero’s buttocks, perhaps you didnt bother reading his own book where he said he deliberately sought out Marxist teachers?

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.

That would be old news. Want I want to see is if he illegally obtained financial support by claiming to be Indonesian.

Wolftech on December 27, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM

There has to be a signed – by the doctor – long form birth certificate. While the data will be transcribed into a database, the original must be, as a legal document, be microfiched and archived.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 9:09 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Still waiting for you to address the fact that four states (at least) will require long form birth certificates for all presidential candidates.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Can Hawaii? That’s what matters right?

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 8:55 PM

The COLB that has been shown is a recently generated summary of information on the original vital records. It is a good birth certificate for most any purposes and as stated in my prior post creates a presumption that the information is correct. The head of the Department of health in Hawaii has already confirmed that they have Obama’s original vital records, but they refuse to disclose those records based on Obama’s privacy rights. We know there is a long form BC out there that is being kept from us and from posterity. The COLB that we have seen just shows the final vital information. It would not reflect whether the original was amended (as it probably was with his adoption and the later divorce) or whether it was a late BC issued without a hospital or doctor or even a midwife, but merely based on a affidavit of the mother (plausible, but getting into conspiracy territory).

tommylotto on December 27, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Neil Abercrombie is an idiot and a tool!

With unemployment being what it is in his state, not to mention the other problems it is having, this birther crap is the very first thing he plans to tackle?!!!!

Is there a recall law in Hawaii? If there is, the people of that state may want to act on it even before this clown takes the oath of office!

pilamaye on December 27, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Still waiting for you to address the fact that four states (at least) will require long form birth certificates for all presidential candidates.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Uh…ok. Not sure what your point is here.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Obama cannot be all that bright if he doesn’t see that fair-minded people look at this whole thing and just scratch their heads in wonder.

tanarg on December 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:05 PM

This presupposes that those who grade the papers cannot tell, by content or style, who wrote the papers. Does this seem plausible? It would take only a minor amount of discernment to recognize who the author of a blind paper or test would be, based on any of the following: handwriting, use of idiom, repetition in writing of a clearly expressed thought that had been made verbally. So, is it not at least possible that some of the graders knew who they were grading? At that point, it’s easy to be predisposed to students you like, and the grades would inflate accordingly.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Uh…ok. Not sure what your point is here.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM

Electoral College anyone?

Key West Reader on December 27, 2010 at 9:16 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Well if the George W Bush administration can keep the secret of what really happened on 9/11(according to the truthers) then I am sure that a small number of faculty and administrators can keep a secret on how a student with average grades from a small community college can get into the most prestigious (or is that pretentious) university in the US without some sort of quota or shenanigans involved? After all no university ever has any instances of grade fixing, nepotism or other sort of less than honest activities…

Wolftech on December 27, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Uh…ok. Not sure what your point is here.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM

The fact that “birthers” will force 0bama to, finally, produce his long form birth certificate, or forfeit those states electorial votes.

A stunning victory, yes?

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Is there a recall law in Hawaii? If there is, the people of that state may want to act on it even before this clown takes the oath of office!

pilamaye on December 27, 2010 at 9:12 PM

With his history, to have still voted for him, they deserve him fully.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

All I’m saying is that law schools don’t just “give out” latin honors. It’s based strictly on grades/class rank.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Yeah, but considering that apparently top-notch law schools are so easy as to allow a student time to troll blogs, are honors that big a deal.

This presupposes that those who grade the papers cannot tell, by content or style, who wrote the papers.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I’m sure all honors-worthy law papers are filled with strawmen and “let me be clear”.

malclave on December 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

This presupposes that those who grade the papers cannot tell, by content or style, who wrote the papers. Does this seem plausible?

Yes. Law schools grades are typically based upon a single exam given at the end of the course, so professors don’t even see their students’ writing style, or handwriting prior to the exam.

It would take only a minor amount of discernment to recognize who the author of a blind paper or test would be, based on any of the following: handwriting, use of idiom, repetition in writing of a clearly expressed thought that had been made verbally.

No. As I said above, the exam is the first time professors see their students’ work. And except for seminars, there are almost always at least 40-50 students in a class. So it’s a quite a stretch to assert that a professor could discern who a student is out of a 50-90 person class, without ever having viewed that student’s writing before.

So, is it not at least possible that some of the graders knew who they were grading?

No.

At that point, it’s easy to be predisposed to students you like, and the grades would inflate accordingly.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:15 PM

No. I’m sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Unfortunately, that seems to be a recurring problem for you.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

The fact that “birthers” will force 0bama to, finally, produce his long form birth certificate, or forfeit those states electorial votes.

A stunning victory, yes?

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

Could you point me to a (credible) link which discusses the 4 states requiring a Long Form birth certificate? I honestly can’t find one.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Could you point me to a (credible) link which discusses the 4 states requiring a Long Form birth certificate? I honestly can’t find one.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Cause I just researched a bit and the amendments to that effect which were proposed, were either voted down or withdrawn. I’m just wondering where you’re getting the “4 states” thing from.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Governor Ambercrombie is full of it. You need to produce an original birth certificate in order to play Little League baseball. Producing an original birth certificate (which in Obama’s case would be the long form) is nothing.

In my view, given the requirement in the U.S. Constitution of the POTUS being a natural born citizen, one should produce the original birth certificate out of respect for the U.S. Constitution. John McCain produced his original birth certificate and hospital records, and he also hired prominent lawyers to opine that his being born on the Panama Canal Zone (into a distinguished American military family) satisfied the constitutional requirement of being a natural born citizen, which in turn led the U.S. Senate to pass a Resolution that McCain was qualified to be POTUS. That is what a patriotic American who served as a Navy combat aviator during the Vietnam War did. Obama, being a one-time socialist community organizer, would think differently.

Phil Byler on December 27, 2010 at 9:32 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Okay, let’s try this:

I wrote:

This presupposes that those who grade the papers cannot tell, by content or style, who wrote the papers. Does this seem plausible?

You answered:

Yes. Law schools grades are typically based upon a single exam given at the end of the course, so professors don’t even see their students’ writing style, or handwriting prior to the exam.

You used the qualifier “typically” (emphasis mine.)So, you can’t state that this is true in all cases.

It is common to nearly all of your responses that you include qualifiers/weasel words so that you can walk back the answer when you’re called out.

I then said:

It would take only a minor amount of discernment to recognize who the author of a blind paper or test would be, based on any of the following: handwriting, use of idiom, repetition in writing of a clearly expressed thought that had been made verbally.

You answered:

No. As I said above, the exam is the first time professors see their students’ work. And except for seminars, there are almost always at least 40-50 students in a class. So it’s a quite a stretch to assert that a professor could discern who a student is out of a 50-90 person class, without ever having viewed that student’s writing before.

So, this is your answer – that it’s completely imposible to divine the author of a written work from observation? In all cases?

I then asked:

So, is it not at least possible that some of the graders knew who they were grading?

You said:

No.

Not even possible? You rule it out in all cases, with 100% certainty?

I stated:

At that point, it’s easy to be predisposed to students you like, and the grades would inflate accordingly.

You answered:

No. I’m sorry but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Unfortunately, that seems to be a recurring problem for you.

You provide no evidence of this to sustain your statement, or to show anything like a recurring problem.

Where are your skills?

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Man. That guy looks like a nasty, old liberal / ex-hippie.

Kind of a David Letterman or Chevy Chase quality about him.

BowHuntingTexas on December 27, 2010 at 9:34 PM

I would think it hard to insult a woman who spread her legs for every minority man who wanted to help her shock her parents.

Combine that with the, ahem, less than flattering pictures of his nekkid mom floating around and the fact that she tossed him aside like an empty 40 oz Colt 45 so she could go ghett0 trolling, and I’m guessing we aren’t the first who asked her who sired Barry and what back alley he entered the world in.

Alden Pyle on December 27, 2010 at 9:37 PM

How about Obama stopping all the flim flam himself and releasing ALL of his papers?

Ricohoc on December 27, 2010 at 9:38 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Snicker.. U sure you’re not the O-Man? Getting someone else to do his studying?

Key West Reader on December 27, 2010 at 9:40 PM

When the documents come out, and Obama is under Oath we shall ask him, “Who is Uncle Frank”.

And then the End will come.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Man. That guy looks like a nasty, old liberal / ex-hippie.
BowHuntingTexas on December 27, 2010 at 9:34 PM

That’s exactly what I thought when I saw his picture: This guy LOOKS like the kind of freak who would go to Communist conventions with Obama’s parents.

logis on December 27, 2010 at 9:42 PM

No. As I said above, the exam is the first time professors see their students’ work.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Especially if they’re the First Black Editor of the Law Review, I suppose.

malclave on December 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Is there a nickname yet for people that believe Obama is a closet homosexual?

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

Faggers?

No, I’d rather see Barack become a synonym for closet homosexuals.

darwin-t on December 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM

Alden Pyle on December 27, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Just a wee bit over the line, don’t you think?

malclave on December 27, 2010 at 9:46 PM

It is common to nearly all of your responses that you include qualifiers/weasel words so that you can walk back the answer when you’re called out.

No, I use qualifying words with you, because if I don’t people like you will say things like this:

Not even possible? You rule it out in all cases, with 100% certainty?

So, this is your answer – that it’s completely imposible to divine the author of a written work from observation? In all cases?

When you’re losing a broader point, you try to regain ground by focusing on minutiae. It’s how you operate. Now, if I use qualifiers, it prevents you from trying to bog down the argument by splitting hairs endlessly (“you mean that’s true in all cases???” etc etc)

The broad point is, that because of the way exams are graded, the number of students in each class, and the fact that those exams are the sole grade in the course and are given at the very end of the course, the chances that a professor could recognize a student’s answer and then inflate his or her grade is extremely small to nonexistent. Of course it’s theoretically possible in an infinitesimal number of cases that a professor could 1) discern that an exam is written by a certain student, and then 2) be corrupt and dishonest enough to inflate or deflate that student’s grade. But even if this were to occur to a certain student over the course of years and years at HLS, the chances that it would happen specifically to Barack Obama miniscule. And the chances that it would happen to Barack Obama enough to materially affect his GPA, thereby causing him to undeservedly receive latin honors are even smaller than that. Small enough to not even be worth mentioning, to rational people. Clearly, that doesn’t include you.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Of course it’s theoretically possible in an infinitesimal number of cases that a professor could 1) discern that an exam is written by a certain student, and then 2) be corrupt and dishonest enough to inflate or deflate that student’s grade.

Then why not just say so…

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM

When you’re losing a broader point, you try to regain ground by focusing on minutiae. It’s how you operate. Now, if I use qualifiers, it prevents you from trying to bog down the argument by splitting hairs endlessly (“you mean that’s true in all cases???” etc etc)

The broad point is, that because of the way exams are graded, the number of students in each class, and the fact that those exams are the sole grade in the course and are given at the very end of the course, the chances that a professor could recognize a student’s answer and then inflate his or her grade are extremely small to nonexistent. Of course it’s theoretically possible in an infinitesimal number of cases that a professor could 1) discern that an exam is written by a certain student, and then 2) be corrupt and dishonest enough to inflate or deflate that student’s grade. But even if this were to occur to a certain student over the course of years and years at HLS, the chances that it would happen specifically to Barack Obama are miniscule. And the chances that it would happen to Barack Obama enough to materially affect his GPA, thereby causing him to undeservedly receive latin honors are even smaller than that. Small enough to not even be worth mentioning, to rational people. Clearly, that doesn’t include you.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Edited for typos.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Then why not just say so…

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM

Small enough to not even be worth mentioning, to rational people. Clearly, that doesn’t include you.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Small enough to not even be worth mentioning, to rational people. Clearly, that doesn’t include you.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

State your qualifications for evaluating my rationality.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:51 PM

oh look! crr6 is writing her thesis on law school regulations and rules. Big whoop, ditz. Is your corner snowed over or something? Sad.

ted c on December 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Hey crr6…

Hypothetical for you since you are in law school:

You graduate and are specializing in divorce law. You are representing a wife in a case and the judge gives you instructions that you cannot present any evidence that may embarrass the husband.

How do you present your case?

120pages on December 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM

Buggererers

KZnextzone on December 27, 2010 at 9:55 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

So why are his grades, from the 7th grade until law school, under seal?

Jenfidel on December 27, 2010 at 9:55 PM

y’know, there are these gals on the pron sets called “fluffers” that keep the actors *energized* if you will, between shots. Methinks that there is a law schoo “fluffer” cohort that does the same with law school students–writes their papers, takes their *random* tests, and generally keeps them energized for beer money n’ such…say it ain’t so…

ted c on December 27, 2010 at 9:55 PM

Sorry if this was mentioned before, but Sidley obviously has a copy of his Harvard transcript. Pretty impressive that no one there has leaked it.

I do know that about 1/2 of Harvard’s graduating class receives some honor (summa, magna, or cum laude), and in my experience, I have never interviewed anyone from the law school who had a grade in any class lower than a b. (Harvard used to give out ‘pass’ grades, or some equivalent, but Im not sure they do that anymore – I always assumed it was their way of avoiding giving “c”s). So a good GPA is not surprising and probably is not evidence of either amazing brilliance or a faculty conspiracy.

LASue on December 27, 2010 at 9:55 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 PM

Jesus, for a second put down the lawyer hat and put on the common sense hat. The first black HLR editor would not get bad grades. Doesn’t matter if there were 5000 people in his class and a martian who didn’t know what a Harvard Law Review was graded the exams.

I cannot believe you’re that naive. Nobody older than 4 can be.

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 9:51 PM

If you’re done responding substantively to my posts, I’d really prefer it if you’d just move along. Your game is transparent and tiresome, and I’m not interested in playing tonight. Getting into an endless debate over razor-thin distinctions at the expense of a larger point isn’t my idea of fun, at least when MNF is on.

Thanks.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM

Getting into an endless debate over razor-thin distinctions at the expense of a larger point isn’t my idea of fun, at least when MNF is on.

Thanks.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM

translation: homegirl has tricks to turn. Time to earn some “tuition money.” Go girl.

ted c on December 27, 2010 at 9:59 PM

Getting into an endless debate over razor-thin distinctions at the expense of a larger point isn’t my idea of fun, at least when MNF is on.

Thanks.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM

No, you’d prefer to:
1. Make a point, without substantiation
2. Claim it’s absolute, and unchallengeable.
3. Declare yourself the winner of the discourse, by any means.

All of our conversations go this way; yet you persist, while claiming injury because I ask you to explain or amplify your posts.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:02 PM

translation: homegirl has tricks to turn. Time to earn some “tuition money.” Go girl.

ted c on December 27, 2010 at 9:59 PM

lol.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Just a wee bit over the line, don’t you think?

malclave on December 27, 2010 at 9:46 PM

Uhh, what line?

Alden Pyle on December 27, 2010 at 10:03 PM

All of our conversations go this way; yet you persist, while claiming injury because I ask you to explain or amplify your posts.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:02 PM

Well in fairness to her, she is a troll and therefore doesn’t have to do any of that.

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM

2. Claim it’s absolute, and unchallengeable.

hm? I thought I…

include qualifiers/weasel words so that you can walk back the answer when you’re called out.

ah well.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Both.
Don’t you even read your own posts?

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:08 PM

We have a better chance of this Abercrombie guy telling us whatever happened to Fitch than we do of his releasing that long form.

WTF. Just release the sucker.

You gotta give the left credit though. They have managed to fringe anyone who simply just wants to get a look at the long form and maybe a transcript or two.

PC14 on December 27, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Is there a nickname yet for people that believe Obama is a closet homosexual?

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 8:11 PM

BDAUs. (Barack Dat Azz Up)

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 27, 2010 at 10:11 PM

Jesus, for a second put down the lawyer hat and put on the common sense hat.

I don’t think the poster claiming there was a sophisticated conspiracy to ensure Obama receives good grades while at HLS is wearing the common sense hat.

The first black HLR editor would not get bad grades.

angryed on December 27, 2010 at 9:56 PM

I think you’re vastly overestimating the amount the HLS administration cares about a random law student. Or even a random law student who happens to be in a prominent position on a flagship law journal.

I am genuinely curious to hear your response to my 9:05 post though, because you’re still responding with vague appeals to “common sense,” rather than with a specific theory (preferably backed up by some sort of evidence) as to how the conspiracy to inflate Obama’s grades was formed and perpetrated. Tell me what happened, and why. Step by step.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:12 PM

Both.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Ah, ok. That makes perfect sense.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM

Ah, ok. That makes perfect sense.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM

It does actually; go back and read what I wrote.
Or, continue to clutch the thin reed of the victory you’ve constructed, to validate that I wrote that you would claim victory.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:16 PM

It does actually; go back and read what I wrote.

No thanks.

Or, continue to clutch the thin reed of the victory you’ve constructed, to validate that I wrote that you would claim victory.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Er, yeah ok. I have a better idea. Why don’t you just have a beer and relax?

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Er, yeah ok. I have a better idea. Why don’t you just have a beer and relax?

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:18 PM

Your puerile dismissiveness is cute.
If you’d been paying any attention, you’d know I prefer select bourbons and single-malt scotch.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:21 PM

900 FBI files.

gbear on December 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:28 PM

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/11/poor-obama-pennsylvania-georgia-arizona.html

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Thanks. None of those bills have been passed. so I retract my earlier statement:

Still waiting for you to address the fact that four states (at least) will require long form birth certificates for all presidential candidates.

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Uh…ok. Not sure what your point is here.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:13 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:30 PM

If you’d been paying any attention, you’d know I prefer select bourbons and single-malt scotch.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:21 PM

You sound like kind of a douche.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Law school grading is anonymous.
crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Lol, it’s cute that you still believe that.

mbs on December 27, 2010 at 10:35 PM

You sound like kind of a douche.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:32 PM

Name calling?
More proof of your awesome skills.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Name calling?
More proof of your awesome skills.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:39 PM

Just trying to help you out. Next time someone says:

Why don’t you just have a beer and relax?

It’s probably best not to respond with:

I prefer select bourbons and single-malt scotch.

At best, you’ll get a funny look, at worst you’ll get punched in the face. Because you come off as a massive douche.

HTH.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:44 PM

What the F does that mean??

Tim Zank on December 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM

It varies by school, but basically students are assigned a number when taking exams, and they sign their exams only with the number, not their name. Supposedly, the law professor does not have access to the students’ names when grading the exams, just the numbers. However, you’d be surprised what law professors will admit to over a few beers. Anonymous grading is b.s.

mbs on December 27, 2010 at 10:47 PM

At best, you’ll get a funny look, at worst you’ll get punched in the face. Because you come off as a massive douche.

HTH.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:44 PM

The fact that you alone have ever suggested this, either on this blog or in any other venue, would suggest that it’s not true.

Cute that you throw in HTH’s and FTW’s to keep up the appearance of smug superiority, though.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:47 PM

That idiotic electronic COLB “document” that lefties place so much stock in actually lists Obama’s father’s “Race” as “AFRICAN”!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Africa is a “Continent” … NOT A RACE!!

Fair skinned, blonde, blue-eyed ctress Charlize Therone is AFRICAN too! Look it up.

Take off the blinders suckers.

bannedbyhuffpo on December 27, 2010 at 10:47 PM

The fact that you alone have ever suggested this, either on this blog or in any other venue, would suggest that it’s not true.

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Ok, feel free to try it sometime at a bar!

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:49 PM

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:30 PM

The bottom line is, they will pass, and pass well before the 2012 elections.

So the point stands – 0bama will have to produce his long form birth certificate, or forfeit that states electorial votes.

So – “birthers” win, right?

Rebar on December 27, 2010 at 10:50 PM

Oooops! “ctress = ACTRESS”

“Therone” misspelled …. should be Theron.

My Bad

bannedbyhuffpo on December 27, 2010 at 10:53 PM

The bottom line is, they will pass, and pass well before the 2012 elections.

Why? Because you say so? There’s meager support for them.

Remind me never to take your word for anything.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:54 PM

No. As I said above, the exam is the first time professors see their students’ work.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM

That’s simply not true. It depends on the class and the professor. Not to mention the fact that it’s quite likely you will have the same professor for more than one class. Most required classes take 2 semesters, so by second semester first year, you have some professors who recognize both your handwriting and your writing style.

mbs on December 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM

What’s wrong, crr6??

Afraid to answer a simple hypothetical or are you just conveniently overlooking it because you know if you answer it will show your hypocrisy??

120pages on December 27, 2010 at 10:56 PM

That’s simply not true. It depends on the class and the professor.

It’s true in the vast majority of classes, especially in the first year. Some classes have a midterm, but those are anonymously graded too.

Not to mention the fact that it’s quite likely you will have the same professor for more than one class.

Eh, not really. I guess that depends on the school.

Most required classes take 2 semesters,

What? No. Maybe at your TTT but not at my school, or any school I’ve heard of.

crr6 on December 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM

Most required classes take 2 semesters, so by second semester first year, you have some professors who recognize both your handwriting and your writing style.

mbs on December 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM

You should withdraw this comment immediately. crr6 has already said, with absolute certainy (except for the qualifier typically) that this is not the case.

/sarc

massrighty on December 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM

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