Krauthammer: We shouldn’t defund ObamaCare

posted at 9:37 pm on December 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Confirmed: Krauthammer’s a RINO.” Seriously, though, he’s making a shrewd point about retail politics, especially given the left’s desperate obsession with “branding” as the source of all of its problems. No matter how expensive ObamaCare gets, no matter how many unintended consequences there are, they’ll never admit that their signature domestic achievement is bad policy. There’ll always be an excuse, be it not enough Obama speeches on the subject or an insufficiently catchy name for the legislation (really!) or, inevitably, the idea that only by making the system more statist via a public option or single-payer will it truly thrive. Krauthammer’s point is that starving the beast will simply give them another excuse for its failure, so why not prop it up initially in the expectation that it’ll fail? My addendum, which I’ve suggested before: Since liberals were such fans of benchmarks for war funding, why not apply them to O-Care funding too? Make them prove after the first few years that they really have bent the cost curve, that there’s been no decline in quality of care, etc. If they can’t, the program is automatically defunded. Remember their early predictions about how the stimulus would affect the unemployment rate? This time, missing the target would mean something. As a sneak preview, here’s something brand new today from WaPo. I blame poor “messaging”:

One of the first parts of the new health care law ready for consumers – special health plans devoted to the insurance industry’s rejects – is attracting only a fraction of the predicted customers, prompting the Obama administration and states to step up their strategies to motivate people to buy them. At the same time, since the plans opened for business in the late summer and early fall, the medical bills so far are, in at least a few states, much higher than anticipated, raising the question of whether $5 billion that Congress has devoted to the program could run out even if relatively few people join.

Federal health officials contend that the plans, known as high-risk pools, are experiencing expected growing pains. It will take time to spread the word that they exist and to adjust prices and benefits so the plans are as attractive as possible, they say.

State-level directors of the plans agree, in part. But in interviews, they also said that the insurance premiums are unaffordable for some who need the coverage – and that some would-be customers are skittish about the plans’ stability as federal lawsuits and congressional Republicans are trying to overturn the entire law. The Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, the program’s official name, is an early test of President Obama’s argument that the public will embrace the politically divisive law once they see its advantages firsthand. According to some health policy researchers, the success or failure of the pools also could foreshadow the complexities of making broader changes in health insurance by 2014, when states are to open new marketplaces – or exchanges – for Americans to buy coverage individually or in small groups.

Two obvious problems with Krauthammer’s scheme, though. One, as Steve Hayes suggests in the clip, you’re taking a major risk by funding the program even for a few years, even with the expectation built in that it’ll be defunded if it misses its targets. Dependencies develop quickly; if you want to kill a bad entitlement, kill it quickly before expectations calcify. Two: As a purely political matter, there’s no way the GOP could refuse to defund it. It would be taken as proof that Republicans have already lost their nerve; the base would be equal parts crushed and enraged, to the point where you probably would start hearing chatter about a third party in earnest. Like it or not, Republicans went all in on killing ObamaCare and now they’re forced to take every opportunity to undermine it, even if letting it get up and running for the purpose of showing the public how it doesn’t work might (but probably wouldn’t) make repeal easier. Oh well. Click the image to watch.


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rrpjr on December 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM

We’re not so far apart. I don’t expect a Republican Congress to set the narrative even after they take office. Buy even out of office, they stopped the Dream Act, the Omnibus, gutted the first responder giveaway and traded $35b in unemployment benefits for $650b in lower taxes.

Sure the midterms sent messages, but one of them was that RINOS in deeply liberal districts or states are in little danger. Therefor, Collins, Snow etc… did exactly what we should expect them to do with DADT. I haven’t run the numbers, but at first glance, we don’t need them to defund Obamacare. Congress just has to hold together as well after the midterms as we did before and recognize that the same media that is threatening to destroy us over “Obamacare” (our narrative) was the same media that failed to do so before the elections.

elfman on December 28, 2010 at 6:51 AM

First David Brooks, now him. It really puzzles me what it is about the left that some seem to find so appealing.

pilamaye on December 28, 2010 at 5:37 AM

More women and better parties.

elfman on December 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM

I think the paralysis has reached his brain! How can this country continue to throw money at a white elephant that even the dems don’t like?

flytier on December 28, 2010 at 6:58 AM

Such a genius at giving political strategy. Perhaps he should get his name changed to something more recognizable – like Rove or something.

Don L on December 28, 2010 at 7:04 AM

Oh well. I thought I just heard the cock crow for the third time. The first time was the stupid economic future deficit nonsense, the second time was when he said O is the comeback player of the year (or something to that effect) and now this. Is K bucking for an MSNBC job?

Fuquay Steve on December 28, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Oh yeah, how do we sell defunding the “preexisting conditions” feature? Methinks that’ll be mighty unpopular.

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 11:04 PM

By eliminating employer based health care insurance; making the employers raise the monetary compensation in an amount equal to what had previously been spent on the employee’s insurance, with the tax modifications necessary so that nobody looses. In addition make it impossible for an insurance company to dump coverage for inaccuracies in the application, after a reasonable Period (6 months) for the insurance company to investigate for fraud.

I would also make the minimum deductible rather high. (The equivalent to three months wages, so as to affect equally across the economic spectrum.)

Slowburn on December 28, 2010 at 4:19 AM

I’m not sure that I understand that.

Relating to toliver’s question, the requirement for insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions does not require funding; it’s regulatory. It drives up insurance costs, but as long as there is no funding for a government alternative, it does not bring about Obamacare. If rates go up a small percentage, perhaps it will be too popular to repeal. If rates skyrocket, it adds pressure to repeal or modify it.
I’d rather sell its alignment with principles of freedom and liberty

elfman on December 28, 2010 at 7:09 AM

As I posted earlier, I think the man has been given an ‘obama waiver’ to say nice things about our ruling masters.

lukespapa on December 28, 2010 at 7:10 AM

OMG…

I thought that Charles Krauthammer was our Emmanuel Goldstein.

Turns out he is actually our O’Brien, leading us to Room 101.

turfmann on December 28, 2010 at 7:10 AM

I saw this and I thought the whole segment was kind of odd. Krauthammer also made the point that there were no real death panels, but doctors should not be talking to patients about end of life care because doctors have too much authority on health issues.

I mean come on…I think that Obamacare should be repealed if possible and defunded at the very least…but I also think that with or without Obamacare, we are going to have to think about the cost of end of life care. We have the technology to keep people alive long after they even know who they are. I have seen people in their 90s with exterior pacemakers and on ventilators, dependent of dialysis and feeding tubes. It is just scary and it is going to bankrupt the system as the population ages if we don’t deal with it.

I read somewhere that in Arizona the state had said medicaid will not do transplants..and when I read that I was surprised that it was even a subject for discussion.

People should have living wills or advance directives or have someone assigned to make these decisions for them..if they don’t the day might come when lawyers rather than doctors make these decisions for them.

Terrye on December 28, 2010 at 7:16 AM

Wow. Krauthammer jumped the shark.

John the Libertarian on December 28, 2010 at 7:16 AM

Ok, that’s it . . . I’ve turned him off completely.

rplat on December 28, 2010 at 7:17 AM

Didn’t the election in November pretty much tell Dr. K what the country thinks of Obamacare?

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 7:19 AM

Too bad that he doesn’t have the intellectual clarity of Sarah Palin, who can easily see that the best policy is to get rid of ObamaCare ASAP.

I wish K were stronger on policy.

beatcanvas on December 28, 2010 at 7:29 AM

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 7:19 AM

I never thought I would say this, I completely agree with Cindy!

flytier on December 28, 2010 at 7:32 AM

If Sauerkraut is saying it on TV, you know the RINOs are saying it to themselves at those Georgetown Holiday Parties.

And I hope they follow his lead. Death Panels Palin will bury them for good in 2012.

james23 on December 28, 2010 at 7:32 AM

Now, where is that nitwit from Commentary Magazine who insists that Sauerkraut be required reading for all “conservatives?” Come out come out wherever you are!

james23 on December 28, 2010 at 7:38 AM

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 7:19 AM

why yes it did…apparently he didn’t get the memo

cmsinaz on December 28, 2010 at 7:58 AM

Krauthammer has been pandering to Obama ever since Obama commented that Krauthammer was a pretty smart guy . . . or words to that effect. He’s like a puppy; rub his belly and he’ll follow you anywhere.

rplat on December 28, 2010 at 7:58 AM

In my view, the best approach for a patriotic opposition when confronted by a stealth takeover of the federal government by a cadre of Marxist socialists is, well, opposition. Oppose everything, at every point, on every issue. Give them nothing.

President Obama and his people are Marxists, albeit of the softer, western Euro-style kind, the kind that typically doesn’t throw people into gulags. And I know how tinfoil-hat conspiratorial and John Birchy it sounds to the mind when reading it, to the ear when hearing it, but it’s true. Whether they avoid the categorization and criticize, minimize and dismiss those of us who do accurately name them for what they truly are is beside the point. The political philosophy of our governing leadership is completely antithetical to every principle upon which our country is based.

Thus, Krauthammer is wrong. Another thing? We need to stop allowing these socialist weasels to frame and name the debate. Health care reform is not reform. No aspect of medicine is improved as a result of this legislation. It is the incremental implementation of a socialized health care system, and it is being implemented not to furnish better health care but to make citizens amenable to state control of every aspect of our lives. Cap-and-trade legislation and EPA regulatory overreach are yet other aspects of this socialist transformation, giving the federal government de facto control of the energy industry, which literally fuels the means of production. It goes on and on. These people have an agenda, and not one single part of this agenda improves the health of our people, makes them safer or more free.

Yes, I know. I sound like some kind of paranoid extremist, a guy who sits around the campfire while on militia maneuvers and speculates on the existence of black helicopters. It is, however, a source of huge frustration to me that not one major Republican figure is calling the President and his people out for what they are and what they are attempting to achieve. You can’t properly fight them if you can’t name them or see their true face.

troyriser_gopftw on December 28, 2010 at 8:04 AM

How many times have I told you all about this fraud? He is simply the fox inside the henhouse. He is a big government advocate. The only conservative thing about this guy is that he wants to bomb the middle east, with the exception of Israel.

He’s from the Marxist tribe for goodness sakes. With few exceptions, most of those of the Marxist tribe consistently advocate, can you believe it, bigger and bigger government.

Yes, I know, that’s “controversial.”

True_King on December 28, 2010 at 8:07 AM

My God Charles must stop drinking the DC koolaid. This is a classic example of thinking a problem into the ground when the solution is so simple… Wake up Charles!

Keemo on December 28, 2010 at 8:18 AM

The best strategy for dealing with any cancer (including the social cancer of Obamacare-Obamascare) is to instantly cut it out whereever it’s gotten started and do your best to see that it never gets a comfortable foothold.

Once embedded this malignancy will be as hard to remove as spaghetti stains from a porous couch.Krauthammer is being too clever by half with his subtle strategy which could easily backfire since a social program of this nature is often just a skip away from becoming an embedded entitlement.

MaiDee on December 28, 2010 at 8:19 AM

In my view, the best approach for a patriotic opposition when confronted by a stealth takeover of the federal government by a cadre of Marxist socialists is, well, opposition. Oppose everything, at every point, on every issue. Give them nothing.

troyriser_gopftw on December 28, 2010 at 8:04 AM

Nice post… :-)

Keemo on December 28, 2010 at 8:20 AM

krauty has definitely drunk the DC RINO Kool-Aid.

PappyD61 on December 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM

Yes, I know. I sound like some kind of paranoid extremist, a guy who sits around the campfire while on militia maneuvers and speculates on the existence of black helicopters. It is, however, a source of huge frustration to me that not one major Republican figure is calling the President and his people out for what they are and what they are attempting to achieve. You can’t properly fight them if you can’t name them or see their true face.

troyriser_gopftw on December 28, 2010 at 8:04 AM

Right, we flounder in opposing an agenda that we can’t identify, just like the wasted efforts fighting terrorism when we can’t even agree on how to define terrorism.

elfman on December 28, 2010 at 8:42 AM

Politically, he might be right. But if health care is bad policy, we need to stop it, because good governance means halting bad policies.

We need to stop weighing everything in terms of possible votes we can save. Just do the right thing, and voters will either appreciate it or not. But at least lawmakers will have a clean conscience.

hawksruleva on December 28, 2010 at 9:01 AM

Be nice if Krauthammer would just keep quiet now and then. Lately he talks too much. He’s losing his creds with a lot of people. Time to take a vacation Charles.

jeanie on December 28, 2010 at 9:02 AM

The GOP has already swallowed the poison on health care, anyway. Charles is expressing a sentiment similar to those GOP lawmakers who are saying “we’ll pass our own health care plan with the goodies but not the problems of Obamacare”.

Passing a law that converts insurance companies to health welfare companies is not the answer, no matter how much some people would enjoy having their health care costs paid by someone else. Charles’ argument is actually less offensive, in that he’s at least acknowledging the inherent weakness in the healthcare plan, and seems certain of its ultimate failure.

hawksruleva on December 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM

Well, for one, because it’s a lie that Obamacare is govt control of your health care.

Jimbo3 on December 27, 2010 at 11:41 PM
I looked up the word “lie” and you are wrong. Not a lie., You should look up the meanings of words before you go throwing them around like that. You could avoid making yourself look silly.

petunia on December 28, 2010 at 12:56 AM

It is a lie. There’s no government takeover of health care. You have private companies providing the insurance and the establishment of exchanges which won’t provide insurance themselves but will negotiate with private companies. It’s a lie that there is a government takeover of healthcare.

Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:09 AM

There must be some evil genius angle to this that only Dr. K understands.

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:09 AM

It is a lie. There’s no government takeover of health care. You have private companies providing the insurance and the establishment of exchanges which won’t provide insurance themselves but will negotiate with private companies. It’s a lie that there is a government takeover of healthcare. Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:09 AM

You’re either a liar or a stupid liar. OboobaCare is designed to destroy the private insurance industry, and Obooba and other Dems have said so.

I’d say that you should pay closer attention but you are obviously paying close enough attention to craft lies about the topic, so…

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM

I read somewhere that in Arizona the state had said medicaid will not do transplants..and when I read that I was surprised that it was even a subject for discussion.

People should have living wills or advance directives or have someone assigned to make these decisions for them..if they don’t the day might come when lawyers rather than doctors make these decisions for them.

Terrye on December 28, 2010 at 7:16 AM

Here’s the link. And this happened under Medicare, not Obamacare, so I guess it wasn’t Obamacare that brought on the death squads.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703395204576024213729831704.html

Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM

sentiment similar to those GOP lawmakers who are saying “we’ll pass our own health care plan with the goodies but not the problems of Obamacare

I thought that the present health care plan was deemed too unwieldly to be repaired. Now I’m hearing that repair is the only option! Does anyone actually KNOW what to do about this 800 pound gorilla?

jeanie on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Did any of you people actually watch the video?

No.

“I think the second thing that they oughta’ do is attack the bill through hearings.”

Yea, he looooves Obama Care.

Dishonesty from the Rino Hunters, again.

“I think the smarter approach is to simply expose to the American people what’s in the bill:

All the arbitrariness, all the incredibly increased expenses, all the contradictions in it, and all the corruption in it, the increased favoritism…”

He loves O-Care!

You RINO hunters are such morons.

blatantblue on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Got yer blog muscles on, eh jimbo?

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Not exactly Patton, is he?

The Mega Independent on December 28, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Krauthammer, I mean.

The Mega Independent on December 28, 2010 at 9:21 AM

Eh, I get the point about not wanting to save liberals from themselves, but, much as I’d like to teach them a lesson, I’m not sure I’m willing to pay the tuition on this. After all, I’m still a passenger in the boat they’re trying to sink.

morganfrost on December 28, 2010 at 9:27 AM

The problem with giving people entitlements, Dr. K, comes when you try to take them back.

Better to starve the beast, as Republicans plan, than to enable it.

kingsjester on December 28, 2010 at 9:30 AM

I guess jimbo had to go change his shorts.

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:31 AM

You are a filthy, unelectical paid liar. Go f*ck yourself and your children, as*hole.

Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Children? Dial it back there a touch, please.

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Krauthammer is highly regarded by me but let’s defund this monstrous bill right now. Democrats will find some excuse for failure due to Republicans-they always do but let’s not take a chance on our country suffering under this draconian solution that had no problem to start with. Krauthammer is a doctor, knows doctors so he doesn’t have to sweat the lines waiting for care, refusals for care, death panels etc.

Herb on December 28, 2010 at 9:36 AM

Children? Dial it back there a touch, please.
Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 9:36 AM

So you’re fine with him telling me to go **** myself then, eh?!

Thanks Cin.

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM

jimbo left the keyboard, maybe he gave himself an idea.

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM

While Krauthammer goes after a nice tactic, that of using hearings on Obamacare, the necessity of funding it so as to get those hearings is a lousy strategy. Plus the House is only one venue in this fight, the States (plural) are also going after it via disparate venues not only via the Courthouse.

Fighting to make a hill a kill zone is very nice, but if it means getting stuck in an attrition conflict when the enemy’s line of supplies are vulnerable, then you do not bother with the kill zone and go after the logistical target, instead. And any Republican voted in with the help of the Tea Party would soon find themselves in a primary fight on the House side, the day after any funding approval vote succeeded.

As it is the House commands the singular logistical point for the government: starting spending.

What the House does not pass does not get spent and its greatest power is not to fund anything it doesn’t like. Mr. Krauthammer needs to step away from the tactical side and rething the strategic side as the over-reach of government via regulation has now called that in as a vital part of the future in bringing the overall size of government down.

That is the strategic goal.

You don’t get there by funding Obamacare for a cute little KZ in the House. No matter what the tactical merits are, it just stinks as strategy.

ajacksonian on December 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 9:40 AM

LOL! I’m fine with him saying it to me also! We are all grown ups. So to speak. You really really got him going though, nice job.

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Thank you, Ed.

kingsjester on December 28, 2010 at 9:45 AM

Mr. Morrissey, you may want to remove my comment at 9:36 a.m. since it duplicates the offense. Sorry!

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 9:53 AM

K-Hammer is increasingly becoming more frequenty WRONG about things.

Arguement: “Let the House of Cards Fall … then point and say ‘See! toldya so!’”

The problem with that approach it it ignores the damage done with the house falls – and this house isn’t built of cards – it’s built of more damaging things and the foundation that’s going to be destroyed here is the best health care system in the world.

I have a problem … because K-hammer seems to hold a very low opinion of the American electorate – and he seems to think they need be shown things in pictures and cartoons for them to really understand what’s going on. This is really the “elitist” in K-hammer coming out – and it’s not pretty. It actually highlights a blind spot of ignorance in him.

HondaV65 on December 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Jimbo3 got banned? He was the most honest and ethical commenter at hotair.com

TOTALLY UNIMPEACHA…LMFAO...Right!

Inanemergencydial on December 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Wow, what a meltdown. So long Jimbo.

conservative pilgrim on December 28, 2010 at 10:10 AM

blatantblue on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

Easy tiger. The point is not that CK looooves Obamacare, it’s that defunding that sucker would be difficult if not impossible, so why risk funding it just to prove a point. We’ve had enough of the gamesmanship, it’s time for simple, honest legislating.

pugwriter on December 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Thanks, Ed!

ladyingray on December 28, 2010 at 10:18 AM

So what really, really cool party did Charles want an invite to, but didn’t recieve one, that he’s now giving out this opinion?

Ticks me off, because he’s known for months people did NOT want this crap to pass in the first place, and he’s just now coming out with this opinion?

What piece of the puzzle are we missing?

capejasmine on December 28, 2010 at 10:32 AM

Oh well. I thought I just heard the cock crow for the third time. The first time was the stupid economic future deficit nonsense, the second time was when he said O is the comeback player of the year (or something to that effect) and now this. Is K bucking for an MSNBC job?

Fuquay Steve on December 28, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Have to agree here. K has been either out-thinking himself to distance from the surging conservatives of the Tea Party (which he also erroneously thought was a bogus movement at first), or he’s gone RINO.

He and Chris Wallace of Fox News Sunday seem to be lurching left while in the Fox Tower.

shades_of_gasden on December 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM

He is trying to keep you guys from repeating the same mistakes we always do. Like Matthews with Birthering they are trying to get your eyes off the ball and they will call you extreme and then each issue will be made out to be so HUMANE that we can’t do anything else but spend our country down in to the toilet. We need to be smart because we have certain republicans who will turn on us in a heartbeat.

tomas on December 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM

tomas on December 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM

They do that anyway, it’s time to stop playing games. We don’t have the money or the will for another entitlement. Playing inside the Beltway games produces no winners.

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Jimbo3,

Enjoy your spittle covered computer screen, as you can only yell at us from there.

Bye-Bye.

portlandon on December 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM

It is the opposite of playing beltway games. It is being smart rather than jump in stupid and lose any chance of getting votes because we are trying to get some numbnuts vote. You be clear and coherent and out everyday.

tomas on December 28, 2010 at 10:56 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Try as they might to convince people that they’re so liberal and tolerant, progressives always end up exposing themselves as what they really are … oppressive and intolerant.

darwin on December 28, 2010 at 11:10 AM

. . .why not prop it up initially in the expectation that it’ll fail?

The answer to that is Medicare. It could take 75 years for it to bankrupt the country. And, in the meantime we all suffer.

Crappy idea.

Pablo Snooze on December 28, 2010 at 11:14 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Same old story. Hate and profanity are the coins of their realm.

rrpjr on December 28, 2010 at 11:18 AM

portlandon on December 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM

I know it’s none of my business, so I won’t expect a response…but, and note that I too have had my issues in the past with Jimbo, and his comments, but I tried to respect his rights to his opinions, and express his comments. However…what happened that he was banned?

Again, I know it’s none of my business, but as usual, my curiosity gets the better of me.

capejasmine on December 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM

capejasmine on December 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM

Check out Cindy’s comment at 9:36.

Vince on December 28, 2010 at 11:31 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

Aw that’s too bad.

No one could think higher of jimbo than I do.

Akzed on December 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Again, I know it’s none of my business, but as usual, my curiosity gets the better of me.

capejasmine on December 28, 2010 at 11:19 AM

An over the line hateful comment. We aren’t suppose to repeat it, but it was pretty bad.

portlandon on December 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Oh yeah, how do we sell defunding the “preexisting conditions” feature? Methinks that’ll be mighty unpopular.

toliver on December 27, 2010 at 11:04 PM

By eliminating employer based health care insurance; making the employers raise the monetary compensation in an amount equal to what had previously been spent on the employee’s insurance, with the tax modifications necessary so that nobody looses. In addition make it impossible for an insurance company to dump coverage for inaccuracies in the application, after a reasonable Period (6 months) for the insurance company to investigate for fraud.

I would also make the minimum deductible rather high. (The equivalent to three months wages, so as to affect equally across the economic spectrum.)

Slowburn on December 28, 2010 at 4:19 AM

I like it, but the Senate and President would have to sign on. Not gonna happen in 2011.

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 11:47 AM

AP said:
Krauthammer’s point is that starving the beast will simply give them another excuse for its failure, so why not prop it up initially in the expectation that it’ll fail?

Two points, they will ALWAYS have an excuse for it’s failure, for them, failure of this plan is a feature not a bug. Second, this has ALWAYS been a waypoint on the way to single payer government healthcare, they’ve all said exactly that. If CK thinks anything we do will derail those two facts, then he’s missing the forest for the trees. Ck is a very smart man but no one is perfect and he jumps the shark on this one.

jnelchef on December 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM

What did Jimbo post? Can it be paraphrased?

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM

two words

we’re broke

end of story

pull the plug on obamacare and fer chri$ts’ sake, stop spending.

DrW on December 28, 2010 at 11:59 AM

What did Jimbo post? Can it be paraphrased?

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Uhh, check out my comment at 11:31?

Vince on December 28, 2010 at 12:00 PM

An over the line hateful comment. We aren’t suppose to repeat it, but it was pretty bad.

portlandon on December 28, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Noted, and thank you!

capejasmine on December 28, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

さらばじゃ

DarkCurrent on December 28, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Let’s face it–polls were showing that 55 to 60% of voters were AGAINST ObamaCare before it was voted into law, and about the same percentage want it repealed now. Republicans ran on a platform of repealing it, and won 55.6% of the seats in the House of Representatives. Coincidence?

But WHY do people want it repealed? Many people who have employer-subsidized HMO plans are afraid of their employers dropping them (preferring to pay a small fine) and forcing them onto government-sponsored health insurance, which wouldn’t pay their bills. Elderly people don’t like the idea of reducing Medicare funding to pay for health insurance for young, healthy people who don’t need or want it. Some of them are afraid of bureaucrats deciding who gets life-saving surgery or drugs, and who is allowed to die. Some healthy people don’t like being fined for failing to buy something they don’t want.

But we have a Constitutional government, and elections have consequences, not only that of 2010, but also of 2008. House Republicans can try outright repeal as a symbolic gesture, but they don’t have the votes to override an Obama veto, so they can blame Obama and Senate Democrats for failure to repeal, and use complete repeal as a campaign issue for electing a Republican President and Senate. House Republicans CAN de-fund the worst parts of ObamaCare to please their voters, and as part of an overall plan to cut excessive spending.

Since outgoing Speaker Pelosi told us that the House had to pass ObamaCare to find out what was in it, the new House leadership should explain very clearly to the voters what IS in it, and why it should be cut and/or repealed, to maintain voter support for de-funding. Since most of the supposed “benefits” from ObamaCare don’t kick in until 2014, let the Democrats try to justify increasing taxes and penalties NOW to pay for some illusory benefit 3 years from now.

Let’s not give Democrats the “benefit” of the doubt, but show voters the benefit of cutting the debt.

Steve Z on December 28, 2010 at 12:09 PM

Check out Cindy’s comment at 9:36.

Vince on December 28, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Were both of his comments like that? I’m guessing it was involving the children that got him the ban hammer. Normally, language like that seems to get a reprimand instead. He’d seemed a little overheated in threads lately, so I’m not entirely surprised even though I generally had a decent relationship with him.

Esthier on December 28, 2010 at 12:15 PM

Krauthammer is pretty smart but in this case he isn’t as smart as Alexis de Tocqueville. If you fund Obamacare to prove a point then you’ll simply play into their hands. Obamacare is not the end goal, but is only a stepping stone to single payer. It is designed to be so bad that we’ll beg the government to fix it, and the fix will be single payer. We’ve seen video after video saying as much.

DFCtomm on December 28, 2010 at 12:18 PM

It is a lie. There’s no government takeover of health care. You have private companies providing the insurance and the establishment of exchanges which won’t provide insurance themselves but will negotiate with private companies. It’s a lie that there is a government takeover of healthcare.

Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:09 AM

That’s total b.s. semantics. If you regulate exactly what an insurer can offer, whether or not the insurer has to accept every potential customer, how much the insurer can pay, what the insurer can charge, and what the insurer’s profits can be – it is a gov’t takeover.

If the gov’t tells me what time to get up in the morning, what to eat, where to work, and what time to go to bed at night, I suppose I can still claim I am free b/c I am not in a prison. but, it is a word game – such as what you are playing.

Monkeytoe on December 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM

That’s total b.s. semantics. If you regulate exactly what an insurer can offer, whether or not the insurer has to accept every potential customer, how much the insurer can pay, what the insurer can charge, and what the insurer’s profits can be – it is a gov’t takeover.

If the gov’t tells me what time to get up in the morning, what to eat, where to work, and what time to go to bed at night, I suppose I can still claim I am free b/c I am not in a prison. but, it is a word game – such as what you are playing.

Monkeytoe on December 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM

I shall play the role of Jimbo3…

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090730005604/mjparty/images/6/64/Ffffuuuu.jpg

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 12:43 PM

WAPO blood flows through his veins. It was only a matter of time before he began speaking and acting like his co-workers.

He is now the Son of O’Reilly on Fox. What really irks me to no end is we have this socialist on the run. This is when you chase him and his regime off the mountain, not prop them up.

Jeeze.

FireBlogger on December 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Cindy Munford on December 28, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Cindy, you just bring the EVIL out of people!

heh, Hugs to you and your family and look forward to a New Year… even if obama is a ding bat.

upinak on December 28, 2010 at 12:47 PM

I thought that the present health care plan was deemed too unwieldly to be repaired. Now I’m hearing that repair is the only option! Does anyone actually KNOW what to do about this 800 pound gorilla?

jeanie on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

They know, but they aren’t going to do a thing about it. The illegal alien problem is a large part of the cost, but you won’t hear about that. Drug costs are high, because we allow socialist nations to fix the cost. This forces the U.S. to bear the brunt of development costs, but don’t hear about that either. Those are only two and I’m sure there are many other reasons that I haven’t listed.

DFCtomm on December 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM

KH has lost me now. I used to think he was an “A” gamer, but he’s got shidt on his boots too often now for me to accept anything else from him.

44Magnum on December 28, 2010 at 12:54 PM

What did Jimbo post? Can it be paraphrased?

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 11:51 AM

Pretty good impression!

Vince on December 28, 2010 at 12:57 PM

Oh poopies…

I shall play the role of Jimbo3…

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090730005604/mjparty/images/6/64/Ffffuuuu.jpg

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Pretty good impression!

Vince on December 28, 2010 at 12:59 PM

It is heartening to read comments from so many who want to kill Obamacare asap.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 28, 2010 at 12:59 PM

WAPO blood flows through his veins. It was only a matter of time before he began speaking and acting like his co-workers.

He is now the Son of O’Reilly on Fox. What really irks me to no end is we have this socialist on the run. This is when you chase him and his regime off the mountain, not prop them up.

Jeeze.

FireBlogger on December 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM

Isn’t CK a syndicated columnist?

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 1:02 PM

Charles needs a new battery for his chair…. or just a push off a Elenor Clift

charmingtail on December 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Two of many myths:

1) Obama is brilliant.

2) Krauthammer is brilliant.

William2006 on December 28, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I think Fox needs him and his perspective.

That is the big tent.

However, he makes me personally laugh. He’s such the insider beltway conservative viewpoint.

Not interested.

AnninCA on December 28, 2010 at 1:13 PM

I think he’s just the Fox meat to the opposition. He reminds me of Major Jarret, who has left Fox and pretended to be going back into some print media. Nonsense. He’s now on MSM.

And I note, he’s not doing particularly well in his new role. I think he may have overestimated his attraction or his abilities without Fox.

We’ll see.

AnninCA on December 28, 2010 at 1:16 PM

Charles is becoming shill for RINOs if he is soooo smart how come the GOP is not incharge of all… he is a butt buddy of McCain

charmingtail on December 28, 2010 at 1:28 PM

toliver on December 28, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Well done, sir (or ma’am, as the case may be).

Laura in Maryland on December 28, 2010 at 1:31 PM

The fact that 100′s of ObamaCare Waivers have already been given to politically-connected corporations is enough violation of the rule-of-law to scuttle the entire socialist tyrannical bill.

Defund, repeal, fire them all.

Who is John Galt on December 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM

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