Chris Matthews and liberal panelists: Where’s the birth certificate?

posted at 7:53 pm on December 27, 2010 by Allahpundit

A unanimous verdict: All three think it’s time to release the long-form.

You bought the ticket, Neil Abercrombie. Enjoy the ride.

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These guys don’t even know how to think. I’d hate to hear them exegete a biblical text.

I have to say that Chris did a good job with these guys. (I hate to say that by the way.)

Mojave Mark on December 28, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Doesn’t 58 plus 20 plus 23 equal 101? People like Corn, Matthews and Page, who can’t even do simple math are qualified to comment on this story how exactly? Just sayin’

txmomof6 on December 28, 2010 at 11:57 AM

It’s too bad that this issue got deal the crazy card. It’s more about transparency. You can’t get any of Obama’s records. It’s not just the birth certificate. And the guests are wrong. You can be born outside of the country and still get a certificate of live birth in Hawaii. What also adds to the speculation is the millions of dollars that Obama has spent to keep it hidden. So he does not in fact have better things to do.

MrX on December 28, 2010 at 12:05 PM

MrX on December 28, 2010 at 12:05 PM

Hawaii discontinued the practice, but it was still being done long after ODumbAss was born.

dogsoldier on December 28, 2010 at 12:13 PM

The same guy who had records of an opponents divorce papers unsealed by a Chitown judge,

seals all evidence of his birth, grades, college entrance requirements, college writings, and Senate writings!

Whats good for the liberals is evidently not good for the Republicans, or America!

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 12:28 PM

I think the reason Barry doesn’t want his long form released is that it lists him as being born with the worst possible handicap he could have. It says he’s WHITE. Can you imagine the shame.

TugboatPhil on December 28, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Actually, Barry; a.k.a Prince Akeem would be listed as MULATTO.

mizflame98 on December 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM

He has a grandmother who says she witnessed his birth in Kenya. Why does no one take her at her word? It pi$$e$ me off that everyone is so willing to take the liar in the White House at his word that he was born in Hawaii, and that those who dare question his eligibility to be president are called birthers. The way he has sealed all his records and the way he has lied about everything else, why wouldn’t intelligent people question if he is telling the truth about his citizenship? And why do these people have to be called names and made fun of?

silvernana on December 28, 2010 at 12:52 PM

silvernana on December 28, 2010 at 12:52 PM

Exactly!

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 1:37 PM

I’m sure it’s been explained dozens of times, but did the

Hawaiian newspaper birth announcements claim that he was born in Hawaii? If so, what motivation would anyone have had to claim this if it wasn’t true? I’m not saying that no motivation could have existed, I seriously just can’t think of one so help me out.

Overall, I think he was born in Hawaii, but his long form has some other information he doesn’t want released.

blink on December 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Maybe so his mom could collect welfare for him.
Would she be able to if he were born in Kenya and brought here, if she had never renewed her US citizenship?

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM

Would she be able to if he were born in Kenya and brought here, if she had never renewed her US citizenship?

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM

How does one renew your U.S. Citizenship? I may have to leave now as I’ve never renewed mine.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on December 28, 2010 at 1:50 PM

New_Jersey_Buckeye on December 28, 2010 at 1:50 PM

I don’t know some say little Barry had to renounce his citizenship to study in Indonesia, did mom do so also, just askin, or is that not allowed since we are talkin about the first half black, biggest liar and epic failure of a POTUS evah?

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM

poisoned pawn…

equanimous on December 28, 2010 at 2:04 PM

Hey I have even asked for other friends’ birthday party pictures! Any friends in Hawaii? Was he invited to anything?

About baptism record, I don’t care about that b/c he probably is not baptized. Baptism is sometimes a requirement for other things, but that applies mostly to the Catholic church.

If there is one thing that’s true, is that O is not Catholic. If I was POTUS I’d be in hot water about this; I would receive the Pope, go to church a lot to receive the body of Christ, speak about Virgin Mary (either in private or in public), or receive priests and nuns in the White House.

Whenever I see a crown of thorns at the Catholic store, I tear up and have to control myself. Whenever I see images of JPII, I break down. I was raised on this generation and it was very troubling for me when he passed away.

I would be villified (sp?) as a “Mother Theresa” or any sort of thing like that. If Governor Palin is held under similar standards b/c of Billy Graham and Jr., imagine an open-minded Catholic like me.

ProudPalinFan on December 28, 2010 at 2:43 PM

I don’t know some say little Barry had to renounce his citizenship to study in Indonesia, did mom do so also, just askin, or is that not allowed since we are talkin about the first half black, biggest liar and epic failure of a POTUS evah?

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM

I don’t think that would be a relevant point for Prince Akeem since his mother was working at the US Embassy and she and Prince Akeem probably had diplomatic immunity because of it.

mizflame98 on December 28, 2010 at 2:55 PM

The reason Obama hasn’t released his long form is he expects Bill Clinton to do it for him.

backwoods conservative on December 28, 2010 at 3:50 PM

I would guess that *suddenly* it’s time to release it because either:

1. He needs to have one to get on the ballot in states like Texas which now require it, or,
2. Richardson’s in/Hillary’s out = she’s running and Chris is setting her stage, or,
3. A Constitutional crisis is being exposed so that the crisis won’t be wasted before Repubs/Tea Parties stop the socialists in their tracks.

I’ve studied the related issues for years. My best bet is the long form contains highly embarrassing information. Even without it, however, Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen because his father (putative) was a Kenyan/British subject which, according to British law, made Barry one as well.

There is also the likelihood that his mother’s ‘grant’ of citizenship to Barry is in question because she hadn’t been a legal resident of HA long enough to qualify before she gave birth. Then there’s the little problem of Barack senior’s multiple marriages, which would have made any marriage to Ann illegal. . .and Barry a b**tard.

His time in Indonesia,where dual citizenship was not allowed; his adoption by Soetoro to facilitate Barry’s schooling there; and the likely failure of the One to reclaim American citizenship status upon his return to the U.S./Obama’s majority are other cogs in the wheel.

Then there are the likely applications for student aid as a foreign student which would continue/complete the fraud.

I hope Barry’s house of cards falls mightily and that every single relevant fact is exposed.

Here’s a video in Obama’s own words.

According to the tape, filing the short/long form is what triggered the newspaper birth notices. One final note: the Obama camp inadvertently – on separate occasions – claimed that he was born in both Honolulu hospitals.

Enquiring minds want to know the truth. If there is one clause of the Constitution we must uphold (and all of it must be), it is that which prescribes the requirements for our President.

Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Heh. We’re on the same page.

Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM

One final note: the Obama camp inadvertently – on separate occasions – claimed that he was born in both Honolulu hospitals.

Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM

And the so-called “fact-based” website, Snopes, had been claiming all along that he was born in one of those places and not the other. But when a letter signed by O’bama on WH stationary popped up saying that he was born at the other hospital, Snopes immediately vanished their entry.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Does this answer my question regarding the motivation for faking a birth in Hawaii?

I don’t think it would matter for collecting welfare. What else do you have?
blink on December 28, 2010 at 5:31 PM

I told you my guess. I don’t care if you agree or not I am not here to answer to you or anyone for that matter was just takin a stab at it.

I could care less why the Phony liar and worst failure as a President evah hides his records. I tend to believe that since he has made a habit of advancing himself by exposing others private info including winning his Senate seat by exposing the oppositions divorce records, a vicious attack on Sarah Palin and AZ that he should have to face like scrutiny!

dhunter on December 28, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Even without it, however, Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen because his father (putative) was a Kenyan/British subject which, according to British law, made Barry one as well.

Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Natural Born Citizen means one is a citizen at the moment of birth. Anyone born in Hawaii after official statehood is a natural born citizen. British Law does not trump Constitutional law in this matter.

anuts on December 28, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I can’t stomach Matthews or most of his guests.

CVMA-Dredd on December 28, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Natural Born Citizen means one is a citizen at the moment of birth. Anyone born in Hawaii after official statehood is a natural born citizen. British Law does not trump Constitutional law in this matter.

anuts on December 28, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Nice try at conflating natural born with citizen.

faraway on December 28, 2010 at 8:44 PM

Natural Born Citizen means one is a citizen at the moment of birth. Anyone born in Hawaii after official statehood is a natural born citizen. British Law does not trump Constitutional law in this matter.

anuts on December 28, 2010 at 6:44 PM

I’m sorry, but I believe you’re confusing legal terms, here.

People are confused because they don’t understand the meaning of the relevant legal terms. This chart shows the elements for each of the constitutional terms that are used in the Constitution or in case law by the Supreme Court.

For each presidential candidate, they can put the factual history of their birth in the equation and see if they fit the bill to be president of the U.S. under the Constitution of the United States of America, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, and the 14th Amendment, Section 1, and the relevant federal law under U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), and Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939). As you can clearly see, Obama is a citizen of the United States, but he’s not a “natural born citizen” of the United States, and, as such, is not eligible for POTUS, because his father, a Kenyan, was not a U. S. citizen. (emphasis added)

According to the referenced chart, as well as many other legal treatises I’ve read related to the question of ‘native born’ v. ‘natural born’ citizenship, the requirements for natural born status, which the Constitution prescribes for the President, may be boiled down as follows:

1. Both parents must be U.S. Citizens,
AND
2. The candidate must have been born in the U.S.

Legal References:

Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark,
169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Minor v. Happersett
(1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168

Perkins v. Elg,
307 U.S. 325 (1939)

There are other factors to consider if a U.S. territory, etc., is involved.

There is no dispute that Obama senior was born in Kenya. At the time of Barry’s birth, Kenya was subject to British rule and law, which also extended to progeny of those Kenyan born. The status of Obama senior is the relevant point, here. He was Kenyan, subject to British law; he was not a U.S. citizen.

Pursuant to all I’ve read on the topic, the natural born
requirement has NOT been met; hence, all the focus on the birth certificate only is a red herring, and it is why you will never see the LSM refer to natural born status
with respect to Barry.

Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 8:51 PM

I don’t really know (since I was born in PR and perhaps rules/laws are same or different-I don’t want to go over Puerto Rico’s Constitution). BUT if his mom was victim of rape OR she chose NOT to disclose who Obama’s father is and in the long form BC section the “father” is blank, that could be the mother of all chaos?

Would a witness or someone claiming to be Obama’s father sign (like the Anna Nicole Smith’s false father b/c in the Bahamas?) Then I believe it was fixed after the DNA test was conducted.

Is Obama pulling a Balloon Boy on America?

ProudPalinFan on December 28, 2010 at 10:14 PM

1. Both parents must be U.S. Citizens,
AND
2. The candidate must have been born in the U.S.

Legal References:

Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 5
Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Clause 5 states:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

What does the above say about both parents?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 12:35 AM

Nice try at conflating natural born with citizen.

faraway on December 28, 2010 at 8:44 PM

What does natural born mean to you?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 12:36 AM

What does the above say about both parents?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 12:35 AM

anuts,

I gave several legal references which you clearly haven’t read, including additional legal references subsumed therein. Go ahead. Yahoo the heck out of ‘natural born citizenship’ requirements. You libs want everything on a platter. It’s time to fill your own and work (gasp) for your porridge.

[I really believe the Organizing for America/Media Matters/Soros crew should at least hire blog troll commenters with legal backgrounds if you intend to pull this fraud off.]

Good luck with all that, anuts.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 2:24 AM

What does natural born mean to you?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 12:36 AM

And anuts?

It’s not about your touchy feely lib – what it feels to you – stuff. It’s about the law.

Sorry again. This Republic will not fail due to your attempts at deflection, misinformation and lies.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 2:44 AM

To George Soros and Crew,

Really, you send anuts? Thanks for the laugh.

Remember, socialist world order types: you’re a very small minority in this country. You and Islam ain’t got nuttin’ on us, the U.S. America is going to see you melt in a puddle like the wicked witch of the east.

We surround you and outnumber you by large margins.

The most exceptional country on Earth is here to dis you.
Can you feel it yet?

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 2:59 AM

Also, I wasn’t asking you why Obama hides his records, I was asking why his mother would have wanted to fake Obama’s birth place.

blink on December 29, 2010 at 2:47 AM

Gee, duh, huh? blink? Why would any woman want her child to be an American as opposed to a Kenyan citizen? Huh?

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 3:03 AM

Dang, Soros, is this all you’ve got?

FAIL.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 3:06 AM

George?

We’re gonna mop you off the floor.

This time, however, America will rise again – as always, greater than ever.

Your failure strategy is pathetically corrupt, illegal and lost.

Catch up, Soros. You’re the failure.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 3:45 AM

It’s not about your touchy feely lib – what it feels to you – stuff. It’s about the law.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 2:44 AM

Indeed. It is about the law. The only law relevant that you cited above that concerns POTUS elligibility is Article II Section 1. I ask again, what does Article II Section 1 say about the parents?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 3:45 AM

Indeed. It is about the law. The only law relevant that you cited above that concerns POTUS elligibility is Article II Section 1. I ask again, what does Article II Section 1 say about the parents?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 3:45 AM

Read my links. Every case citation is also relevent. You need a J.D. /what the heck is that??

Do your own research as I said before. Make your own porridge and serve it up.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:03 AM

G’night now. Good luck, anuts!

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:05 AM

Good night as well. Against better judgement, I skimmed your links (there was actually only one–they both went to the same page). Underneath that cute little chart, there was some ‘information’ that actually suggested British law is relevant to POTUS eligibility. Do you also believe this to be the case?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 4:12 AM

Earn your porridge, anuts.

Read the case law that I cited. Cute little charts? ahahaa.

Bahhhh. You Soros types need a few J.D.’s. What the heck is that???

Against your better judgement you didnt’ even read the links. Bravo, Soros and minions! LOL.

G’night.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:18 AM

Do you believe British Law to be relevant to POTUS eligibility? The author of your silly link does.

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 4:21 AM

When you/the left have nothing, you question the link.

I was waiting for it. What took you so long?

Focus, anuts, focus.

We’re talkin’ natural born citizenship requirements.

Go get your porridge and my/your links. I’ve already provided all that will get you started.

I’m finished with you/the Soros gang.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:27 AM

Do you believe British law trumps the US Constitution in determining POTUS eligibility?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 4:32 AM

And then, do you also believe those two cases have anything to do with POTUS eligibility?

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 4:33 AM

I answered this in this here very same thread, anuts, long ago and far away. . , in response to your very same question!

Get some rest, eh?

/Soros, give him 1.5 overtime and union dues credit, of course.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:42 AM

BTW! You can’t be that guy on your facebook page?

Cute. No smoking…..perfect.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:44 AM

I smoke, anuts.

Opinionator on December 29, 2010 at 4:51 AM

1 and 1/2 to 2 packs per day here.

anuts on December 29, 2010 at 4:58 AM

I think much of this is because of Hawaii’s asinine privacy laws. (Plus Obama is an innate deceiver)

scotash on December 29, 2010 at 11:52 AM

Blink – One answer to that (and I do not assert it to be the actual case) is that
she wished there to be NO QUESTION about his American citizenship. If she had not returned before his birth, it was not clear that he would retain it, as she had been out of the country for years and the law specified she had to live in the country a certain number of years after the age of 15 or something. (I’d have to look it up).

The theory I have heard most often is that she delivered in Kenya and slipped ASAP back into the country and into Hawaii to register his birth, to assure him American citizenship.

Again, I do not assert this as any kind of likely story, yet it’s plausible I suppose.

If one considers that her mixed-race marriage was ideologically guided, and that the point was to produce a mixed-race child who would further the cause, so to speak (race-mixing for some reason was believed necessary to bring about revolution) perhaps she had ambitions for him, and assured American citizenship would be an advantage.

I’m perfectly willing to have that offered possibility ripped apart by fact or logic, just offering what I have heard.

SarahW on December 29, 2010 at 2:53 PM

Opinionator on December 28, 2010 at 8:51 PM

The chart indicates a native citizen is separate and distinct from a natural born citizen. Minor treats them as equals: These were natives or natural-born citizens.

Minor fails to answer the question pertaining to the individual born on US soil to non-citizen parent(s): Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

Perkins restates Minor. It too fails to answer the question pertaining to the individual born on US soil to non-citizen parent(s).

The 14th Amendment grants citizenship to all those born on US soil, irrespective of parental citizenship. Ark affirms this by excluding only the two classes of cases — children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State from US citizenship.

Ark further states the 14th Amendment contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. A cited case within Ark might explain why the cases challenging eligibility are batting a whopping zero in court.

Ark affirms the individual born on US soil, provided said individual is not the child of a diplomat or an enemy in hostile occupation of the US, is a natural born citizen.

rukiddingme on December 29, 2010 at 10:25 PM

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