Are Lame Duck Sessions of Congress Unconstitutional?

posted at 3:25 pm on December 19, 2010 by Howard Portnoy

For a Congress that has squandered more time than any preceding legislative body on programs the American people oppose, the 11th has been the model of industry in the current lame duck session. Yesterday, Harry Reid’s Senate voted on the DREAM Act, which would have given children of illegal immigrants a fast track to legality, and the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, which bans gays from openly serving in the military. Today it’s on to the START arms reduction treaty.

All of this is of course so much political posturing, paying back debts and assuaging angry constituencies, which flies in the face of the mandate the American people delivered in its midterm vote. But a bigger question is whether any of this legislation is constitutional.

An article by David Fahrentold in today’s Washington Post notes that lame duck sessions of Congress violate the spirit if not the letter of the Constitution.

For the letter of the law you need but look at the 20thAmendment, which was ratified on January 23, 1933. In essence, the amendment was meant “to kill off sessions like this—in which defeated legislators return to legislate.”

In the article Fahrentold quotes John Copeland Nagle, a University of Notre Dame legal scholar who is well versed in this obscure amendment. According to Prof. Nagle, this year’s lame duck session has enjoyed

the most ambitious legislative agenda that’s ever been pursued in a lame-duck session since the 20th Amendment.

Nagle notes further that this type of far-reaching agenda “is exactly what the 20th Amendment was designed to stop.”

The need for an amendment curtailing the legislative power of outgoing lawmakers can be traced to 1801. That year, members of the Federalist party used their final days in office to help appoint a number of judges. The same problem reared its ugly head again in 1922, when President Warren Harding and lame duck Republicans attempted to ram through unpopular legislation after having been defeated.

Writes Fahrentold:

Opponents said this was un-democratic: These sessions seemed to violate the ever-popular Washington rule that ‘elections have consequences.’ Finally, Congress passed—and the states ratified—the 20th Amendment.

But the devil was in the details of the new amendment, which didn’t actually abolish lame duck sessions of Congresses. Instead the law changed the end date of Congress’s legislative term from March to early January.

“At that time,” Fahrentold writes, “it was inconceivable that lawmakers would journey back to Washington to meet for a few weeks after Thanksgiving.” Then again in 1933 air travel was still a rarity, and the the jet engine was in its infancy. The article quotes Yale University law professor Bruce Ackerman as saying:

It takes a lot of time to go from a district in Texas by train to Washington, D.C. Who’s going to schlep there?

Nowadays the answer of course is “everyone.” Which brings us current. Time for Congress to revisit the wording of the 20th Amendment?

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If lame duck sessions are not unconstitutional, who’s up for an amendment?

Jeddite on December 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Says it all

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2010 at 3:30 PM

Are Lame Duck Sessions of Congress Unconstitutional?

If they’re not, somebody needs to fix it. What’s gone on in Congress in the past month is nothing short of criminal.

Knucklehead on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

No. And, no.

doufree on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Yes, there should be an amendment to the amendment. The lame-duck is abusive and anti-democratic. But would legislators would ever push it? The ones just voted in can anticipate that it will only adversely impact their agenda. It runs contrary to the self interest of every current congress.

Firefly_76 on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Nowadays the answer of course is “everyone.” Which brings us current. Time for Congress to revisit the wording of the 20th Amendment?

Absolutely! Lame Ducks have got to go—again.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM

No. And, no.

doufree on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

You support corrupt, anti-democratic Lame Duck congresses?

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 3:34 PM

Constitution? The Dems don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution!

obladioblada on December 19, 2010 at 3:34 PM

No. And, no.

doufree on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

So, we can look forward to the same answers from you if a future republican lame-duck eliminates social security?

Firefly_76 on December 19, 2010 at 3:35 PM

If they’re not, somebody needs to fix it. What’s gone on in Congress in the past month is nothing short of criminal.

Knucklehead on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

+1. Even if they didn’t violate the letter of the 20th amendment then certainly violated its intent, and did so with corrupt, un-democratic intent.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM

It would be sufficient to ban politicians from voting upon loosing an election because they do not have the consent of the governed. There would be enough remaining to establish a quorum.

Alternatively, move the opening of the new session of Congress to November 15. They will show up, swear in the new members and go home for the holidays doing no more damage to the country until the come back in January. There would be no compelling reason to rush legislation and anything on the old agenda would be wiped clean. And ban any legislation between election day and November 14. There is NO emergency that needs Congress’ approval in a fourteen day period.

J in STL on December 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM

It would be sufficient to ban politicians from voting upon loosing an election because they do not have the consent of the governed. There would be enough remaining to establish a quorum.

J in STL on December 19, 2010 at 3:36 PM

Sounds like a solution to me.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 3:38 PM

Members of Congress and the Senate that are not re-elected have essentially been fired by their employers and should clear out their desk and allow their replacement to take over right away. No other job lets the removed employee to stay around a f@ck things up for an additional 2.5 months.

darwin-t on December 19, 2010 at 3:39 PM

An election should void out the prior Congress on the day of the election. If there is an emergency the President can call an emergency session of the next Congress to be sworn-in. Other than that, wait until JAN and if the prior Congress left things undone, well, you live with the incompetence… and hope to elect more competent members in the future.

This needs to be changed because, as-is, it leaves a Congress with NO mandate behind it to act… and that is against the precepts of representative democracy.

ajacksonian on December 19, 2010 at 3:40 PM

I propose a constitutional amendment that would forever end lame-duck sessions by closing the doors on congress after an election and opening them upon the swearing-in of new members.

Oh yeah, and this is a stupid bill that provides cover for the libtards.

pugwriter on December 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM

I’m a little embarrassed that the 20th Amendment didn’t come to mind at the time.

pugwriter on December 19, 2010 at 3:43 PM

In the Immortal words of the Judge in the Florida 2000 recount case, Florida Circuit Judge N. Sanders Sauls;

“I feel like I’m being pecked to death by a duck”

Quack, Quack!

dhunter on December 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Are Lame Duck Sessions of Congress Unconstitutional?

Ugh, no. The “I don’t like this ergo it must be unconstitutional” act from you guys is becoming tiresome.

crr6 on December 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM

dhunter on December 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM

Lol. Watching the FNC special on the recount now.

OmahaConservative on December 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM

ooh Clinton’s impeachment nullified?

cjw79 on December 19, 2010 at 3:55 PM

The 20th amendment was supposed to stop this, but obviously it didn’t. What a plan you save all the crap for after you are defeated then try and pass it.

Well the Democrats started the Civil War, over legalizing slavery, so I don’t put nothing out of their dastardly reach.

tarpon on December 19, 2010 at 3:55 PM

Ugh, no. The “I don’t like this ergo it must be unconstitutional” act from you guys is becoming tiresome.

crr6 on December 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM

A strawman argument with fake quotes and all. How original.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 3:55 PM

How refreshing. Our afternoon dressing down by crr6. Far be it from Congress to act constitutionally, I mean, how on earth could we expect them to do that….?

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM

crr6 presumption is that We the People are stupid and any position that doesn’t agree with the liberal judges activist ruling or the precedent set by Fickburn vs Willard or something is just *proof positive* of idiocy and in need of institutionalization.

I challenge your presumption, student.

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 3:59 PM

“Are you kidding me?”

ultracon on December 19, 2010 at 4:00 PM

I challenge your presumption, student.

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Anybody giving odds on how many times crr6 will have to take the bar before passing?

Tim Zank on December 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Even if one assumes that Holder and Sebelius have the best of intentions, their op-ed focused on a policy argument, not a legal one. No matter how noble an idea is, it must be constitutionally sound before it can be implemented. The judge correctly found that the mandate and penalty fail this basic test.

The Supreme Court explained in June in its ruling in Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board that, while every generation perceives that it faces urgent problems, permitting policy desires to trump the Constitution would usher in far greater evils than those the government is seeking to cure. No one, including me, is against affordable health care. But the Virginia lawsuit is not just about health care. It is about protecting our liberty.

VA AG Cuccinelli anticipated the law student’s argument, or its reverse, actually.

“It’s a good idea! Therefore, it’s [fill in whatever lefty idea is the cause du jour] constutitional”

Wethal on December 19, 2010 at 4:05 PM

ooh Clinton’s impeachment nullified?

cjw79 on December 19, 2010 at 3:55 PM

I think a case could be made that Lame Duck legislation that has occurred since the 20th amendment was passed is invalid. If there are any good laws passed during a Lame Duck they can be resubmitted for a vote during a regular session.

But whether or not that can be achieved, what’s most important is that Lame Ducks be exterminated in the future to prevent unelected scumbags from ever overruling the will of the American people again.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Anybody giving odds on how many times crr6 will have to take the bar before passing?

Tim Zank on December 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM

she’ll do like any other good law student does to pass the bar…. :)

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Anybody giving odds on how many times crr6 will have to take the bar before passing?

Tim Zank on December 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM

With her exceptional grasp of all things having to do with the law she’ll do what everyone of her ability wiould do:teach.
“Those who can ‘do’, those who can’t ‘teach’.”

darwin-t on December 19, 2010 at 4:10 PM

Yes,
with modern transportation and communications, newly elected members should take their place as soon as the election results are certified, and loosing members should be out of their respective congressional bodies at the same time.

Skandia Recluse on December 19, 2010 at 4:10 PM

excuse the hideous spelling

darwin-t on December 19, 2010 at 4:10 PM

she’ll do like any other good law student does to pass the bar…. :)

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Lie, cheat, steal and fellate?

Tim Zank on December 19, 2010 at 4:11 PM

Knucklehead on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Yes, and the libs would say the same (as they did 1922) if the parties were reversed.

ladyingray on December 19, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Are Lame Duck Sessions of Congress Unconstitutional?

If they’re not, somebody needs to fix it. What’s gone on in Congress in the past month is nothing short of criminal.

Knucklehead on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

They are certainly not doing the business of the people who soundly rejected them in November.

OmahaConservative on December 19, 2010 at 4:20 PM

So where’s Breyer on what those that wrote the 20th Amendment were really thinking? Isn’t that what really matters?

slickwillie2001 on December 19, 2010 at 4:27 PM

If they’re not, somebody needs to fix it. What’s gone on in Congress in the past month two years is nothing short of criminal.

Knucklehead on December 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM

Ok, I know we are talking lame duck session here but I could not let that jsut hang out there. They have been pretty criminal since Obama and and control of House, Senate and White House.

bluemarlin on December 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM

Lie, cheat, steal and fellate?

Tim Zank on December 19, 2010 at 4:11 PM

those are the three rungs on the democratic ladder of success for females, y’know….

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM

No. Just because something is bad policy doesn’t make it unconstitutional. Representatives serve 2 year terms, Senators 6 years. If you want to shorten their terms by 2 months you’ll need a constitutional amendment to move the start date of the new Congress and new terms to the day after election day. Of course, then you’ll open all sorts of new problems due to vote counts not being completed, contested elections, etc. It will encourage frivilous election lawsuits as a way of cutting into the opposing party’s term in office.

Frankly, I think this lame duck session has been a success from a small government perspective. Tax breaks extended, no omnibus spending bill, DADT repealed, DREAM act killed…

AngusMc on December 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Ugh, no. The “I don’t like this ergo it must be unconstitutional” act from you guys is becoming tiresome.

crr6 on December 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Take it up with these guys!

In the article Fahrentold quotes John Copeland Nagle, a University of Notre Dame legal scholar who is well versed in this obscure amendment.

If it gets posted here we discuss it.

bluemarlin on December 19, 2010 at 4:34 PM

The “I don’t like this ergo it must be unconstitutional” act from you guys is becoming tiresome.

crr6 on December 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Then just go away. Nobody has asked you to be here and you seldom bring anything but strawman arguments and journolist talking points.

win/win for all involved. You don’t have to put up with our tiresome defense of federalist, constitutional principles and we don’t have to listen to your liberal whining.

AZfederalist on December 19, 2010 at 4:44 PM

In a representative government, representatives need to be answerable to the people for their actions. A defeated Senator or Congressman is a rogue agent, totally unanswerable to the people, free to exercise power w/out restraint as long as his or her actions do not violate the law. Since our constitutional government depends on the restraint of unbridled power, the actions of a lame duck session clearly violate the spirit of the Constitution.

PackerBronco on December 19, 2010 at 4:47 PM

How about a lame duck congress making abortion illegal, the libs have got to have their baby killin.

wheelgun on December 19, 2010 at 4:50 PM

It’s obviously not unconstitutional. The 20th Amendment doesn’t do the trick. Maybe it’s time to fix it, but let’s acknowledge the truth of where we are.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 19, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Anybody giving odds on how many times crr6 will have to take the bar before passing?

Tim Zank on December 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Seven drinks and then passed out at the bar, easy.

ajacksonian on December 19, 2010 at 5:07 PM

AngusMc on December 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM

But do you agree that Lame Ducks are anti-democratic because they allow unelected non-representatives to overrule the will of we the people?

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 5:12 PM

It’s obviously not unconstitutional. The 20th Amendment doesn’t do the trick. Maybe it’s time to fix it, but let’s acknowledge the truth of where we are.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 19, 2010 at 5:01 PM

Of course it’s time! It’s long past time; they should have done it back in the 30′s.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 5:14 PM

the 11th has been the model of industry in the current lame duck session.

You did mean the 111th didn’t you Howard?

Rovin on December 19, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Ugh, no. The “I don’t like this ergo it must be unconstitutional” act from you guys is becoming tiresome.

crr6 on December 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Sort of like gay marriage bans, eh?

KSgop on December 19, 2010 at 5:35 PM

No, but it needs to be fixed. I don’t like unaccountable folks who’ve already been voted out making important decisions. But it’s not going to change, because both parties like the idea of being able to pass things without consequences.

forest on December 19, 2010 at 5:40 PM

“those are the three rungs on the democratic ladder of success for females, y’know…

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM”

Is there a Barney Frank exception?

gbear on December 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

Nowadays the answer of course is “everyone.” Which brings us current. Time for Congress to revisit the wording of the 20th Amendment?

Do we really want to open that door? I fear what else may slither in.

toliver on December 19, 2010 at 5:50 PM

I suppose it was meant as a time to tie loose ends and for the new people to get established. Unless there’s an emergency, perhaps nothing should be done during this time except the two things mentioned above. Lately it has been used as a weapon.

jeanie on December 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Is there a Barney Frank exception?

gbear on December 19, 2010 at 5:47 PM

it’s an “all inclusive” ladder…

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM

D’ya spose teh ghey young turks find Bawney sexy and a turn on?

OmahaConservative on December 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

But do you agree that Lame Ducks are anti-democratic because they allow unelected non-representatives to overrule the will of we the people?

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Honestly, not really. They were elected by their constituents to serve a full term. That term isn’t up yet, even if their replacements have already been chosen. I actually find the reverse to be more anti-democratic: to tell an elected representative that despite him being elected for 2 years let’s say, he can only perform his duties for 1 year, 10 months.

AngusMc on December 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Is it unconstitutional? Not by a literal reading of the 20th no. But it’s clear the time has come to seat new candidates as soon as they are certified. What’s taken place in this session has been a mockery of representative government.

Rocks on December 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM

D’ya spose teh ghey young turks find Bawney sexy and a turn on?

OmahaConservative on December 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM

there are as many ghey turks in turkey as there are in iran…which is to say….not many.

ted c on December 19, 2010 at 6:09 PM

Unconstitutional, no.

A problem in dire need of fixing? Heck yes!

Dark-Star on December 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah is the perfect example of spitefulness during a lame duck Congress.

mobydutch on December 19, 2010 at 6:19 PM

It’s Time To End Lame Duck Sessions Of Congress For Good

It’s not unconstitutional, but it could be in the future if enough people get behind an effort to make it happen.

gary4205 on December 19, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Honestly, not really. They were elected by their constituents to serve a full term. That term isn’t up yet, even if their replacements have already been chosen. I actually find the reverse to be more anti-democratic: to tell an elected representative that despite him being elected for 2 years let’s say, he can only perform his duties for 1 year, 10 months.

AngusMc on December 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

There’s a simple remedy. an amendment to end a congresscritter’s term at 12:01 am on the date of the November elections would cure the problem forever.

gary4205 on December 19, 2010 at 6:22 PM

But it’s not going to change, because both parties like the idea of being able to pass things without consequences.

forest on December 19, 2010 at 5:40 PM

It’s up to us to make sure there are consequences so that it will change.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Honestly, not really. They were elected by their constituents to serve a full term. That term isn’t up yet, even if their replacements have already been chosen. I actually find the reverse to be more anti-democratic: to tell an elected representative that despite him being elected for 2 years let’s say, he can only perform his duties for 1 year, 10 months.

AngusMc on December 19, 2010 at 6:01 PM

But that would be true only for the one election cycle in which an amendment (or interpretation of one) ended lame duck sessions. In the next election cycle, and every cycle after that, the representatives term would once again be two full years.

Hazzard on December 19, 2010 at 7:25 PM

You did mean the 111th didn’t you Howard?

Rovin, indeed I did. In fact, I made the change about four hours ago, but it apparently didn’t take. Thank you calling it my attention. I’ll give it another go.

Howard Portnoy on December 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM

Mystery solved. Once an article is bumped up to the main page, I no longer editorial control over it.

Howard Portnoy on December 19, 2010 at 7:42 PM

I know, let’s repeal Article II!

Akzed on December 19, 2010 at 7:53 PM

If you are going to prevent Congress from meeting after an election, then an exception would need to be made for emergencies. What if Japan had attacked on December 7, 1942 instead of 1941?

Once you start making exceptions, it then gets nasty as to exactly what is and what is not permitted to happen during those sessions. So … given today’s modern times, the answer is pretty easy:

Change the date from 3 January to 3 December. The new Congress would come into being on 3 December following the election on the first Tuesday of November.

crosspatch on December 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM

It’s up to us to make sure there are consequences so that it will change.

FloatingRock on December 19, 2010 at 7:17 PM

Indeed.

gary4205 on December 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM

So, I’ve read the 20th, and nowhere does it say that there can’t be a lame duck session. Anyone care to explain?

William Teach on December 19, 2010 at 8:25 PM

The 20th Amendment argument is a red herring. If they really wanted to put an end to the Lame Duck session, they would have written it to reflect that the congress would adjourn that day before the election.

mizflame98 on December 19, 2010 at 8:27 PM

If you are going to prevent Congress from meeting after an election, then an exception would need to be made for emergencies. What if Japan had attacked on December 7, 1942 instead of 1941?

Once you start making exceptions, it then gets nasty as to exactly what is and what is not permitted to happen during those sessions. So … given today’s modern times, the answer is pretty easy:

Change the date from 3 January to 3 December. The new Congress would come into being on 3 December following the election on the first Tuesday of November.

crosspatch on December 19, 2010 at 8:18 PM

That’s spelled out in my link above.

Congress ends at 12:01 am on the day of the general election in November. It starts up again in January 3 at noon.

There would a provision in the constitutional amendment allowing the President to call a special session of the NEWLY ELECTED Congress, in case of legit emergencies.

You want it to be the NEW Congress so as not to tempt the Executive to deem something an emergency in order to bring the old outgoing Congress back to do his bidding.

Win-win.

gary4205 on December 19, 2010 at 8:32 PM

I guess if the amendment that was enacted doesn’t say a damned thing about when a congress may not meet or enact legislation the answer is to Mr Portnoy is that it’s not only constitutional for them to meet, but there’s no justification even for his use of the term “loophole.”

There’s nothing there to even suggest intent to ban post-election legislative sessions.

audiculous on December 19, 2010 at 8:46 PM

Constitutional Amendment:

To pass anything in a lame duck session should require a 2/3 vote for passage in each house. That way, only true emergency legislation would get done.

I think the Bush Obama tax cuts got that amount.

patch on December 19, 2010 at 9:27 PM

I guess if the amendment that was enacted doesn’t say a damned thing about when a congress may not meet or enact legislation the answer is to Mr Portnoy is that it’s not only constitutional for them to meet, but there’s no justification even for his use of the term “loophole.”

I never used the term “loophole.” I did use the term “idiot”–just now. Guess who I had in mind?

Howard Portnoy on December 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Mr Portnoy, you’re right and I apologize. The “hole” reference was in the Fahrenthold article that you were working from.

audiculous on December 19, 2010 at 10:13 PM

The diagnosis is correct, out of control Congressional power. The solution isn’t adjusting the 20th amendment, it’s to move more and more of the decisions out of Washington and into the productive sector of our economy. How — a Taxpayer Directed Budget where the most productive, who also pay the most taxes while also having fewer votes, play a significant role in determining our nation’s future.

Morally, this gets back to the Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment where property shall not be taken without just compensation. Income taxes take property from the productive and return increasingly little to the owner’s of that property.

The contemporary goal of the income tax is to buy increasingly unproductive votes with the productive people’s money. Go figure that we have 10 percent unemployment, or nearly 20 percent or higher if unemployment is figured according to how productive people really want to be, but instead or partially employed, if employed at all.

If one interprets the Constitution and it’s amendments according to the order they were provided (you know, logically according to evolution and priority), the income tax would be subservient to the Takings in the 5th, unless otherwise noted. This would also provide a missing check and balance against Obamacrat mobocracy — the productive sector, not political sector, would end up playing a key role in how their income (property), taken was spent.

Such as system would also free politicians from making the tough choices — that would be left to the productive sector. Let those who feel they deserve more spending on their pet projects make their case to the productive sector and let the productive sector choose how their tax dollars are divided up in any number of public and private non-profit charities.

Make no mistake, we are entering an era where tough political choices of how to spend other people’s money is going to happen with frequency. The moral, and constitutional, thing to do is to bring the productive sector into the equation and reap the benefits of their productive and prosperous vision — don’t snuff it out by taking their productive life energy and giving it to politicians to buy votes for the next election from those who have other agendas.

Taxpayer Directed Budget for more info and perspectives…

The bottomline here isn’t really how to get our nation back to prosperity, but how to direct our world towards sustainable peace. Average bubbas don’t create wars or strife or poverty — that’s the province of politicians who are allowed to operate outside of the normal marketplace activities that reward productivity and prosperity for all.

drfredc on December 19, 2010 at 10:59 PM

One of the unfortunate shortcomings of the Constitution is the amendment process. Congress must initiate any amendment (apart from a Constitutional Convention). When the Congress IS the problem (such as lame duck sessions and term limits), they will NEVER initiate the process.

Seabecker on December 20, 2010 at 12:37 AM

When the Congress IS the problem (such as lame duck sessions and term limits), they will NEVER initiate the process.

Seabecker on December 20, 2010 at 12:37 AM

I took exception to the “shortcomings” of the Constitution, until I finished reading your comment.

You are right. There is little likelihood of fixing terms limits on Congress when Congress has to lead the fight to limit their own power.

But the 20th amendment did pass once. Whose to say that the freshmen next year won’t be so outraged at Nancy and Harry that they tweak the wording to make the original meaning clear… How many states did the GOP win? I bet a small change could be ratified.

petunia on December 20, 2010 at 1:59 AM

What if the issue were approached from the standpoint that lame duck sessions are unconstitutional because the amemdment was written using the 1933 congress’ schedule, and according to the article they didn’t meet after Thanksgiving. Therefore today’s congress shouldn’t meet after Thanksgiving.

CSK on December 20, 2010 at 2:29 AM

It would be sufficient to ban politicians from voting upon loosing an election because they do not have the consent of the governed.

They don’t have the consent of the governed now. Hasn’t been the case since Congress fixed the number of representatives at 435. Bring the numbers in line with the population (around 7,500 House members if we kept to Madison’s ideal of one rep per 40,000 citizens) and we might come back to it. Heck, it might break the Republicrat stranglehold on Congress in the process.

TheMightyMonarch on December 20, 2010 at 3:24 AM

Howard Portnoy

good stuff

maverick muse on December 20, 2010 at 6:56 AM

Lameduck?

This is the Zombie Congress. We killed it on November 2nd, but it has come back to life.

Ampleforth on December 20, 2010 at 9:37 AM

This is easy to fix.

Pass a new amendment with two provision:
1. Any action taken by congress after the election and before the new congress is seated must be ratified by the new congress or it is null and void.
2. Congressman, not returning for the new congress, shall be immediately removed from office upon certification of the election.

The Rock on December 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Caption the picture leading into this article: Oh my, someone has appeared to urinate in our Wheaties.

kens on December 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Perhaps not unconstitutional in the strict sense, but damned sure leaving a bad smell.

mojo on December 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM

Perhaps not unconstitutional in the strict sense, but damned sure leaving a bad smell.

mojo

yes, just unconstitutional in the senseless sense.

when the thing says that the legislature has to end the term on Jan 3, a reasonably sane person is going to think that it means the term ends on Jan 3.

a term of 2 years, a reasonably sane person might think, means two years, not 22 months.

audiculous on December 20, 2010 at 2:34 PM

Bring the numbers in line with the population (around 7,500 House members if we kept to Madison’s ideal of one rep per 40,000 citizens) and we might come back to it.

While I agree in theory, I want to caution to be careful what you wish for. If we just upped the number, the boondoggle of a project to create a new capitol building to seat such an assembly would be a trillion dollar plus public works pork-fest for that last 435 seat body. They’d probably try some sort of Dubai-esque fake island crap.

As for lame ducks, I’ll agree they are most probably Constitutions. . .BUT. . . I think a strong case can be made to keep legislation movement limited to recognized business hours and days. Sunday evenings and Saturday midnight introduction of bills and subsequent votes is pretty well un-Constitutional in my view.

“We have to pass it before you can find out what is in it” is a treasonous statement in my opinion.

Jason Coleman on December 20, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Constitutions = Constitutional PIMF

Jason Coleman on December 20, 2010 at 9:46 PM

the Constitution defines treason, Jason.

“We have to pass it before you can find out what is in it” ain’t it.

maybe malfeasance, depending on what zackly is in there.

audiculous on December 20, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them

As I said, in my view, Pelosi’s actions do rise to the level of treason against the united States.

I think a number of States could agree considering the damage caused. War can be economic, ya know.

Jason Coleman on December 21, 2010 at 1:13 AM