Herman Cain: I’m forming an exploratory committee for 2012

posted at 7:04 pm on December 17, 2010 by Allahpundit

I know the basics of his bio — accomplished CEO, talk-radio host, cancer survivor — but not much more beyond that. Even so, it got my attention a few days ago when he won Red State’s 2012 “tournament,” topping Mike Pence in the semifinal and Palin in the final. Is that because Cain’s a Red State favorite or is the grassroots support for him out there broader than anyone realizes right now?

Either way, the Daily Caller says to get ready.

Former Godfathers Pizza chief executive Herman Cain says he’s definitely forming an exploratory committee — likely within the next several weeks — to test the waters for a possible Republican presidential run in 2012…

He’s been particularly encouraged, he said, by the results of the midterm elections in November “because I wanted to make sure that this voter anger and frustration was going to convert into votes to change the political landscape, and it did.”…

Cain, who on Friday is scheduled to appear on Greta Van Susteren’s show on Fox News, has been traveling to early caucus and primary states like Iowa and New Hampshire to reach out to grassroots movement and potential donors…

Tim Albrecht, the communications director for the incoming Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, wrote on Twitter this week that, “Prediction: Herman Cain is going to have some serious legs when he begins visiting Iowa.”

He says a run isn’t definite yet but it’s likely since it looks like the base is ready for an “unconventional candidate.” (Evidently they weren’t ready in 2004, because he got crushed in the Georgia GOP primary by Johnny Isakson.) As an interesting gloss on his potential appeal, read this long but interesting Ron Brownstein piece on the “managers vs. populists” dynamic shaping up within the GOP ahead of 2012. The archetypes on each side are Romney and Palin, of course, with “managers” running mainly as economic surgeons and “populists” running against the sclerotic D.C. establishment. Cain, as a successful businessman and popular “true conservative,” has credibility in both roles, and as a practiced public speaker, he should rock that tea party debate in August. (Huckabee, as a blue-collar social con hero and a governor for 10 years, arguably does too.) Does he have any chance of challenging Palin and/or Huck in Iowa, though? As noted in the excerpt, he’s already spending time there, which is smart since winning or finishing a strong second is his only shot at momentum. But c’mon. Surely either Sarahcuda or Huckabee’s going to run; it’s unimaginable that they’d both pass when either stands to clean up among Christians if the other stays out. How does Cain cope with that in the caucuses?

Here’s an interview with Cain that Ed conducted a few months ago during the Right Online conference. Exit question: With both Mitch Daniels and Tim Pawlenty suddenly sounding like their hearts aren’t in a presidential run, is Romney home free as the de facto nominee of the “managerial” wing of the party?


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I just looked at your RS link. I didn’t read it all but it appeared that attribution was given even tho RS redacted for copywrite reasons. It’s a good thing HA doesn’t redact/ban for copying and pasting with attribution or a lot of posters would be gone.

Gohawgs on December 18, 2010 at 1:43 AM

Oh, better than that, they actually edited out most of what I wrote. Like I say, just went to my own blog, and revisited that story, which is from October 13 of 2009, BTW.

It was lengthy and mostly me writing my opinion, hammering Soros, and so forth.

I’m not sure why I’m even supposed to care!

gary4205 on December 18, 2010 at 2:16 AM

gary4205 on December 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM

Whatever Gary..Does the Newpaper know you “cut and paste” and call it your work?..:)

Dire Straits on December 18, 2010 at 2:17 AM

Palin security team has two names for Gary because he’s her no. 1 fan.

Whackadoodle and Creepoid

Just saying.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:20 AM

I’m not sure why I’m even supposed to care!

gary4205 on December 18, 2010 at 2:16 AM

Why should you?..You got banned!..:)

Dire Straits on December 18, 2010 at 2:20 AM

powerpro NAILED IT! I would add, be weary of any candidate the media/elite bless – its a chess move on their part. RUN AWAY from that kind of endorsement.

They’ve shown, both on the Right and the Left who they fear. Its not Mittens or Huckster.

That being said. Let them ALL proves themselves in the primaries if they so choose to run. Its as simple as that – Palin herself has said exactly that.

Sharr on December 18, 2010 at 2:14 AM

Absolutely, let em all run. Competition just makes the best even better. The last thing we need is a few candidates. Having a good group will make everyone do their best and make them work for it.

People will see for their self who the best is.

Obama is the one who will be screwed. All he will have is his record. No one to battle back and forth with, until the general, and those are always about the incumbent.

gary4205 on December 18, 2010 at 2:22 AM

I haven’t read all five pages of comments, so if someone has said this already, I apologize.

AP wrote, “Surely either Sarahcuda or Huckabee’s going to run; it’s unimaginable that they’d both pass when either stands to clean up among Christians if the other stays out. How does Cain cope with that in the caucuses?”.

I realize this may upset a few preconceptions about Christians, but most of us really are able to make voting decisions based on all of a candidate’s qualifications, not just their religious beliefs.

Like Buddhists, Jews and atheists, I find I’m able to choose the candidate who I believe is best for the job, not necessarily the one who most closely adheres to my beliefs (assuming said individual doesn’t outright oppose my values). If Herman Cain is the best candidate, he’s got my vote.

mcc4 on December 18, 2010 at 2:25 AM

“Congratulations Gary, concerntrollextraordinaire1234, you’ve hijacked the Herman Cain Thread and run off any potential new supporters for Gov. Palin that we’ve named you ‘The Biggest Douche in the Universe.’ What are you going to do now?”

“Well, I am going to go to Wasilla and do what I normally do – stalk Sarah Palin.”

Honestly dude, you are that creepily obsessed.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:25 AM

Stopped back to read the rest of this thread.

It appears to me that neither gary nor jenfidel initiated any name calling on this thread. It appears that a mob was formed, comprised of an unholy alliance of posters who are Catholic/Christian, conservative regulars and some who seem to be pagan haters. I doubt most of you would behave this way in “real life”, just splattering all over this thread and engaging in the very same insulting behavior you condemn in others. I don’t care what your past gripes are. Get over them and please stop dragging us all through your personal vendettas. This was a very interesting article about Cain, and there were some very intersting posts. But you drove them all away, because it’s OK for you all to keep constantly posting about Palin, albeit because you seem to hate her, and apprently it’s OK for you to provoke, to bait, in post after post, until you finally get the fight you’ve been trying to pick. For shame. How unseemly for grown adults. It’s also is apparent that the Christian virtues of forgiveness and mercy, which I know some particular posters, because of their own witness on this site, should be very aware of, are not only lacking here, but the vices of hard-hearted unforgiveness and ruthless pursuit of vengeful grudges for feelings that may have well been justifiably hurt, are in full swing in these holy days leading up to our Savior’s birth. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas, but your gleeful pursuit of nastiness has made you the joyless grinches that stole this thread. May it not continue into the New Year, please God.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:35 AM

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:25 AM

You do realize of course that people can go to the first page of comments for this post and prove that several people mentioned Palin before Gary posted, right?

You seem to be suffering from Gary issues. If you don’t like him, don’t engage him. The irony of course is that you don’t seem to recognize that you’re actually threadjacking with your obsessive posts about someone else, who you accuse of threadjacking when the proof there on page one proves otherwise.

Funny.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 2:36 AM

You do know Gary is a concern troll. You do know that his beef with Herman Cain was that Herman Cain tweeted his win in the little poll on redstate.

You do know that this is the mo of the obsessive Palin fans.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:41 AM

You do know Gary is a concern troll. You do know that his beef with Herman Cain was that Herman Cain tweeted his win in the little poll on redstate.

You do know that this is the mo of the obsessive Palin fans.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:41 AM

You do know that posting over and over again about supposed obsessive Palin fans makes you look obsessive.

If you don’t like what he says or don’t like his style…don’t engage him. Going on and on makes you look like you’re unhinged.

Do you see the irony here?

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 2:43 AM

You do know that this is the mo of the obsessive Palin fans.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:41 AM

I strongly support Palin. How you have managed to convince yourself that you have the right to label and condemn others for supporting a candidate that you, for whatever reason, seem to hate, must be because you are faultless and all knowing. Your perfection is evident in every one of your posts.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:48 AM

I strongly support Palin. How you have managed to convince yourself that you have the right to label and condemn others for supporting a candidate that you, for whatever reason, seem to hate, must be because you are faultless and all knowing. Your perfection is evident in every one of your posts.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:48 AM

tigerlily… what do you think of Cain? I like what I see so far…but I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the Presidency being his first elective office.

But he seems solid otherwise. What do you think?

My ticket preference is Palin/West btw. I like the idea of Palin/Cain as well.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 2:52 AM

It appears to me that neither gary nor jenfidel initiated any name calling on this thread. [Jenfidel LIES about what she said about interracial couples and their children and has no credibility and must be held accountable - you know conservatives are suppose to be for accountability] It appears that a mob was formed [it appears Gary got called out for his concern trolling and still wouldn't stop so he needed to be reminded of that], comprised of an unholy alliance of posters who are Catholic/Christian, conservative regulars [who love our country and fighting for it] and some who seem to be pagan haters [wtf?] . I doubt most of you would behave this way in “real life” [you've never met me and I say NOTHING on a blog I wouldn't say to someone's face - I was a poly sci major and it's bloodsport - I had to defend my conservative beliefs and honed my skills - don't get pissy with me because you spout off sanctimonious pap], just splattering all over this thread and engaging in the very same insulting behavior you condemn in others. I don’t care what your past gripes are. Get over them and please stop dragging us all through your personal vendettas. [this isn't a vendetta but every thread turns into concern trolling and unhealthy adulation for Palin that borders on creepy obsessive - if they think this is a way to get supporters for Palin they are sorely mistaken] This was a very interesting article about Cain, and there were some very intersting posts.[ I answered questions to Karenhasfreedom on page one - was looking forward to an interesting discussion but if you aren't 24/7 Sarah loving then some will hijack - as you see tonight] But you drove them all away [GET OVER YOURSELF], because it’s OK for you all to keep constantly posting about Palin, albeit because you seem to hate her [I love her - don't know if she's the best for 2012 - but they aren't helping her] and apprently it’s OK for you to provoke, to bait, in post after post, until you finally get the fight you’ve been trying to pick. For shame. How unseemly for grown adults. It’s also is apparent that the Christian virtues of forgiveness and mercy, which I know some particular posters, because of their own witness on this site, should be very aware of, are not only lacking here, but the vices of hard-hearted unforgiveness and ruthless pursuit of vengeful grudges for feelings that may have well been justifiably hurt, are in full swing in these holy days leading up to our Savior’s birth. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas, but your gleeful pursuit of nastiness has made you the joyless grinches that stole this thread. [It's a blog not choir practice] May it not continue into the New Year, please God. [Get used to it - until the concern trolling ceases the threads will more than likely get polluted by concern trolls who need to be whacked]

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:35 AM

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:57 AM

tigerlily… what do you think of Cain? I like what I see so far…but I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the Presidency being his first elective office.

But he seems solid otherwise. What do you think?

My ticket preference is Palin/West btw. I like the idea of Palin/Cain as well.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 2:52 AM

From what I see of him, he is someone to really watch. I will say out of the shute, however, that he needs to get himself into elected office, preferably a governorship, before he goes for the whole enchilada.

I really like his bravery in standing strong for the unborn, with no exceptions. I also think he loves America, business and the free market and seems to be a fighter.
These are my impressions so far, I think he’s a keeper and would like to see a whole lot more of him.

Can’t see Palin/Cain right now, and even though West has no executive experience, that I know of, I think his military career may help him over that. I would love to see a Palin/West ticket. What do think of Palin/Perry (even though I am a little leery of Perry)

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:59 AM

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:48 AM

I love Sarah and until recently I would have considered myself a Palinista but the not dealing with reality of her supporters that she does need some work overcoming the myths the McCain campaign allowed to go unchallenged and that she does have high negatives has serious consequences if not addressed.

Get over yourself.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:00 AM

but I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the Presidency being his first elective office.

But he seems solid otherwise. What do you think?

My ticket preference is Palin/West btw. I like the idea of Palin/Cain as well.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 2:52 AM

WTF? you not comfortable with Cain having the presidency being his first elective office but a half term congressman (as of campaign season revving up next year) is okey dokey for back-up?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:02 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 2:43 AM

Dude, I left this thread for like 3 hours – wtf?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:02 AM

Can’t see Palin/Cain right now, and even though West has no executive experience, that I know of, I think his military career may help him over that. I would love to see a Palin/West ticket. What do think of Palin/Perry (even though I am a little leery of Perry)

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 2:59 AM

I’m a little concerned over Perry. There have been some red flags about him, not that any candidate is perfect. :)

WTF? you not comfortable with Cain having the presidency being his first elective office but a half term congressman (as of campaign season revving up next year) is okey dokey for back-up?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:02 AM

I’d be comfortable with either West or Cain as Vice Presidential candidates, yes. They both have extensive leadership experience…just not in a government capacity. So I would prefer to see how they navigate through the waters of Washington politics before I jump all in for either of them for the big ticket.

Dude, I left this thread for like 3 hours – wtf?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:02 AM

So these weren’t from you?

I guess it beats whacking off to bad porn HIJACKING THREADS AND TURNING THEM INTO PALINFESTS, which is what you I normally have to do.

gary4205 on December 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:16 AM

Palin security team has two names for Gary because he’s her no. 1 fan.

Whackadoodle and Creepoid

Just saying.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:20 AM

“Congratulations Gary, concerntrollextraordinaire1234, you’ve hijacked the Herman Cain Thread and run off any potential new supporters for Gov. Palin that we’ve named you ‘The Biggest Douche in the Universe.’ What are you going to do now?”

“Well, I am going to go to Wasilla and do what I normally do – stalk Sarah Palin.”

Honestly dude, you are that creepily obsessed.

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:25 AM

That’s 3 posts in under ten minutes. And from less than an hour ago.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:10 AM

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 2:57 AM

I have learned more about Palin in one of gary’s fact and research chocked posts than I have ever learned from you.
Nevermind your personal feelings, his posts are substantive and interesting. Yes, sometimes he calls names and I don’t like that, but he has been toning that down and his posts are highly informative and well written. And I have seen the very people who condemn him for calling names engage in the very same behavior and think that they can get away with it. Your personal dislike is bordering on stalking, imo. I don’t think HA is the place for that. I don’t understand the way you think you can come onto threads, decide who is a concern troll, who needs to be “whacked”, as you say, and proudly proclaim that you will be judge, jury and executioner. You are making things just miserable for everyone and you and your unforgiving, merciless gang hijacked this thread, but good.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:13 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:10 AM

are you my new stalker?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:16 AM

I have learned more about Palin in one of gary’s fact and research chocked posts than I have ever learned from you.
Nevermind your personal feelings, his posts are substantive and interesting. Yes, sometimes he calls names and I don’t like that, but he has been toning that down and his posts are highly informative and well written. And I have seen the very people who condemn him for calling names engage in the very same behavior and think that they can get away with it. Your personal dislike is bordering on stalking, imo. I don’t think HA is the place for that. I don’t understand the way you think you can come onto threads, decide who is a concern troll, who needs to be “whacked”, as you say, and proudly proclaim that you will be judge, jury and executioner. You are making things just miserable for everyone and you and your unforgiving, merciless gang hijacked this thread, but good.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:13 AM

What’s fascinating to me are those who truly want to engage and discuss the issues. But those folks are always shouted down by more vociferous voices…usually those who are pre-emptively complaining about the supposed Palin cultists…who then seem to be distressed when Palin supporters don’t cotton to being called cultists. Go figure!

And I learn a lot from Gary’s posts too. Our styles of writing are different… he tends to be more direct than I am… but you’ll notice that most folks who go against him try to make him the issue or his tone of “voice” rather than any facts he lays out.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:13 AM

How much did you learn about Herman Cain in a Herman Cain thread from Gary – other than the previously discussed twitter incident?

Zero? Zilch? Nada?

Why is that? Because Herman Cain’s thread was hijacked. Are you not getting that?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:18 AM

are you my new stalker?

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:16 AM

Paranoid much? lol

I happened to notice that you went after another poster 3 times in under 10 minutes. That just makes me observant.

I called you on it. That just makes me proactive.

It’d be nice if you had something substantive to say about the actual topic of the thread rather than try to gin up other posters supposed faults.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:20 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:10 AM

Yes, I have the same queasiness about Perry and West is really a sizzler and a fighter but I don’t really have a strong inclination yet on who would be best. Everyone has pros and cons. DeMint is a warrior and so is Pence, but no exec experience there. But why should we care when barry, the local neighborhood communist agitator made it? Don’t answer that, just a rhetorical question.

Decisions, decisions. Palin will surprise us all.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:23 AM

Branch Rickey on December 18, 2010 at 3:18 AM

Have you read the entire thread? There was a whole gang, that you joined with later, who were spoiling, and I mean chomping at the bit, for a fight with gary and jenfidel. They and you hijacked the thread. Go back and read it from the start, please.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:26 AM

Yes, I have the same queasiness about Perry and West is really a sizzler and a fighter but I don’t really have a strong inclination yet on who would be best. Everyone has pros and cons. DeMint is a warrior and so is Pence, but no exec experience there. But why should we care when barry, the local neighborhood communist agitator made it? Don’t answer that, just a rhetorical question.

Decisions, decisions. Palin will surprise us all.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:23 AM

So far, my pick for the number 1 seat is Palin. I’m open to who could fill the second seat but my favorite by far is West.

He is my very favorite political figure and has been for about a year.

Mr. Cain is also very impressive…and his resume is stellar. Plus of course as you mention, there are many other possibilities as well, such as Congressman Pence…although I thought he was interested in running for IN Governor(?).

I’m looking at who could be her running mate based on a series of strategic possibilities…and depending on how things play out it could be any one of them. But right now…it’s West. That’s why I went ahead and got PalinWestHQ.com, so that I could help promote both of these figures, and educate folks on why I think they’d be a formidable team.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:32 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:17 AM

Yes, I actually find the Palin detractors to be gratuitously condescending and rude. They seldom have any in depth reasons for disliking Palin, but they are free to do so and it really doesn’t bother me much at all that they don’t. otoh, they seemed really put off that anybody should support her, and seem to share a trait with the Leftists, that is, they won’t live and let live, they insist on calling names and hoping to control and censor commentary by alinsky ridicule, i.e., obsessive, cultist, robot. I am none of those things when it comes to any politician and I don’t understand the nerve of someone thinking they can label me. Unless they are a Leftist, because that’s what they do.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:34 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:32 AM

Fo shizzle (sorry, it’s late) it’s Palin for President.
I have been saying she should be POTUS since the convention.
She will fight barry tooth and nail. Can’t wait til she goes into full campaign mode and calls barry a socialist to his face for the first of many times.

And, I’m with you on West. He’s really impressive, as you say. When I read about what he did to save his men I was sold on him right there. And when he talks about Islam and pulls no punches, you can hear a pin drop.

Very cool that you got that web address. Very cool.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:42 AM

She failed to answer a question that a VP or POTUS should be able to answer.

toliver

According to whom? Oh, wait, that’s right…people looking for reason to dismiss her. Since when did knowing SCOTUS rulings become a requirement for being VP?

By the way, has our current VP(teacher of Constitutional law, ya know?) figured out which Article of the Constitution covers the Executive branch yet?

xblade on December 18, 2010 at 3:57 AM

Fo shizzle (sorry, it’s late) it’s Palin for President.
I have been saying she should be POTUS since the convention.
She will fight barry tooth and nail. Can’t wait til she goes into full campaign mode and calls barry a socialist to his face for the first of many times.

We need a fighter. We need someone who understands and has survived the gauntlet. And if she throws herself back in there… that just speaks volumes about her character to me. We need someone with a proven record. We need someone who can fight in an unconventional war. We need someone who’s fearless and willing to tackle the issues that others only throw lipservice at.

So far… of all the supposed candidates… she fits the bill. Is she perfect? Of course not. But I believe that she’s the right person for this job at the right time.

And, I’m with you on West. He’s really impressive, as you say. When I read about what he did to save his men I was sold on him right there. And when he talks about Islam and pulls no punches, you can hear a pin drop.

Very cool that you got that web address. Very cool.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 3:42 AM

He is just crazy impressive. I’ve been following him now since before the 2008 elections and I have a massive political crush on him. Read the essays he’s written about the various issues of the day. He is always spot on. He understands the left… he understands the nature of our enemies… and he is fearless.

http://www.allenwestforcongress.com/blog/2010-08-20/we-have-test-coming-america-tuesday-2-november-2010

http://www.allenwestforcongress.com/blog/2010-09-19/politics-character-assassination

He’d destroy Biden and I tell you… I’d have to go out and buy stock in Jiffy Pop Popcorn…because that debate would be EPIC.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:59 AM

I have been saying she should be POTUS since the convention.

Palin can’t win. I hope our side figures that out before 2012, and comes up with someone who can. And that’s not hatin’ Palin, that’s facin’ reality.

xblade on December 18, 2010 at 4:00 AM

xblade on December 18, 2010 at 4:00 AM

Why do you think she can’t win?

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 4:06 AM

xblade on December 18, 2010 at 4:00 AM

Maybe not. Let her run, if she choses, and we’ll see how the primaries turn out. IF Palin wins the Primaries and were to face off against the obamanation in ’12 I have to wonder if the electorate would re-elect him…

Gohawgs on December 18, 2010 at 4:06 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 3:59 AM

Thanks for the links to West material. It’s true, he’s a fighter and Sarah has more courage in her little finger than all the hacks in D.C. combined. They would make a pairing for the history books.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 4:08 AM

Thanks for the links to West material. It’s true, he’s a fighter and Sarah has more courage in her little finger than all the hacks in D.C. combined. They would make a pairing for the history books.

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 4:08 AM

Sure thing. Also there are several videos with him that you probably know about but showcase how impressive he is as well.

The story behind the main one that went viral is fascinating. He did all of that impromptu… no script… just spoke from his heart. Just amazing.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 4:14 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 4:14 AM

Is the viral one where he is wearing a white shirt and speaking on a stage? Saw that and also, saw one where he was on a panel, speaking without notes, on Islam and the threat it poses. Magnificent. He was speaking with ease and clarity of thought; building a logical, powerful, well reasoned, historically factual argument for his position.
I’d love to see him go one on one someday with President uhh, umm, uhhhh, 57 states corpseman soetoro.

Great talking to you, but if I don’t get out of here, I’ll be sorry tomorrow. Good night!

tigerlily on December 18, 2010 at 4:27 AM

Yep.. this is the one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M

And yes all the videos of him talking boldly about some very deep issues are very impressive.

Take care tigerlily… I better hit the hay too. :)

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 4:32 AM

As a vice presidential candidate. In a campaign she didn’t manage. Spouting positions that were not hers. Being strangleholded by McCain’s staff.
Not the same thing. When she runs, we’ll see her run on her own ideas…platform…strategy…and ideals.

powerpro, you’re essentially calling her a liar and a weakling. Some selling point. In other words, she’s a flip-flopper, huh?

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 5:41 AM

powerpro, you’re essentially calling her a liar and a weakling. Some selling point. In other words, she’s a flip-flopper, huh?

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 5:41 AM

No. I’m calling her a vice presidential candidate. You do understand that it would have been inappropriate for her to take positions that were different than the person at the top of the ticket, right?

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 5:52 AM

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 5:52 AM

No, I’m sorry, I do not understand being unprincipaled and “spouting” things I don’t believe in. I never have and I never will.

You didn’t address me “weakling” point: you claim she was “stranglheld” by the McCain campaign — I thought she was Margaret “Iron Lady” Thatcher with “cajones”?? Doesn’t sound like a very strong person to allow herself to be held back like you claim.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 6:03 AM

And, I would venture to say that the reason she was unprincipaled and “spouted” things you claim she didn’t believe show her to be power-hungry. She was desperate to be VP that she wasn’t there for her un-wed pregant teen and “spouted” things just to get herself elected.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 6:07 AM

And of course, I meant “unprincipled”… oy vey.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 6:09 AM

Aslan’s Girl… You’ve already formed a strong opinion of her that I don’t agree with. So we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I will only add a quote I posted earlier…

“Never entrust power to anyone not willing to surrender it.” She willingly surrendered her title and her office as governor because it was the right thing for her state, her family and her country.

This is not the course of action a power-hungry person would take so I would suggest that perhaps her motivations behind not opposing her running mate were not as nefarious as you seem to believe. Perhaps she just recognizes it’s bad form to put your running mate on the defensive and it causes unnecessary distractions.

And I don’t have to insist anything about her strength. Her willingness to continue to take the fight to the enemy after enduring the gauntlet she has over the past few years speaks for itself.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 6:21 AM

powerpro, perhaps she should’ve simply said no to McCain. Her family was in crisis anyway and that way she wouldn’t have had to do the unprincipled action of “spouting” things she didn’t believe. Simple.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 7:02 AM

Thought this was supposed to be a thread about Cain???

OmahaConservative on December 18, 2010 at 7:39 AM

powerpro, perhaps she should’ve simply said no to McCain. Her family was in crisis anyway and that way she wouldn’t have had to do the unprincipled action of “spouting” things she didn’t believe. Simple.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 7:02 AM

You’ve taken a pretty hard line here. She and her family decided and agreed that this was the right move for them. Why be so judgmental?

As for the rest… EVERY running mate has to zip it when it comes to policy differences with their superior. They have to toe the line.

I’m not sure why you feel qualified to judge her and her family like you seem to be doing especially when you seem to be drawing conclusions from false premises.

powerpro on December 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM

Who? Outside of Red State, who has heard of this guy? I’ve heard of Godfathers Pizza but have never partaken. He will have a real recognition problem on a national level.

Kissmygrits on December 18, 2010 at 9:11 AM

accomplished CEO, talk-radio host, cancer survivor

I am sure this has been stated numerous times, but just in case…he has more credentials then our present POTUS.

right2bright on December 18, 2010 at 9:28 AM

Bats got tired of jen and evicted her.

Nope. Jen got tired of the trolls having a flame war and abandoned the thread for something interesting and important.

I wish the trolls could realize how boring and childish they are, but being children, they can’t.

Jenfidel on December 18, 2010 at 9:41 AM

Knock it off. Herman Cain can’t win.

Why not?

Let’s go to the Wayback Machine – literally – and travel to September 27, 2000:

[O]nly one man has been elected President without having won either a war or an election. That man was Herbert Hoover, who had eight years of experience in the Executive branch as Secretary of Commerce for Presidents Harding and Coolidge (both of them being single-termers).

…[Novice candidates often] have elements to their public platforms that make good sense. But they will NOT be elected to the highest office in the land (and arguably, the world) without doing things the way that their forerunners have. They don’t have a core constituency, they don’t have a track record, and they don’t have the desire and/or courage to actually work from within the system before saying they should be reinventing it.

You get the feeling that the candidates who run ONLY for President really know that they can’t possibly win, but that they want their ideas to be promoted. I say, if the ideas are so good, let’s put them into practice on a local level and show the rest of the country the way it can work. Or do they fear that they wouldn’t be able to persuade people to change without the near-absolute power that the Presidency provides?

The idea that some “outsider” can ride into D.C. on a white stallion and clean up government single-handed is as imaginary as the movies that had that sort of thing happening in Old West villages. The Federal Government is broken for sure, but if we get to the point where a sign is posted on the gate to the White House reading “President Wanted — No Experience Necessary”, the game will have been over for a long while.

That was written in the face of desperation after it was clear George W. Bush was never going to be Reagan. The thinking among some Freepers was that if conservatives rallied around a true conservative third-party candidate, he might garner enough votes to win by a 34% plurality. Of course, that also is a fallacy — one cannot win election to the Presidency without winning a majority of electoral votes.

L.N. Smithee on December 18, 2010 at 9:58 AM

I’d love to see “The Herminator” run. Even though I don’t think he would get the nomination I think he would drive the ‘debate’ to the right and generate more coverage of conservatism (not RINO kinder gentler big government bull). He’d be a great advocate for smaller government, lower taxes etc.

JimP on December 18, 2010 at 10:07 AM

What’s the new party choice for citizens who oppose deficit spending?

Bugler on December 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM

powerpro, you’re essentially calling her a liar and a weakling. Some selling point. In other words, she’s a flip-flopper, huh?

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 18, 2010 at 5:41 AM

Can you name for me a Vice President who went on record as saying he agreed with everything his President asked him to do and say?

L.N. Smithee on December 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM

I think that if Herman Cain becomes a major player in the primaries, just his presence has the potential to fundamentally change the political landscape for decades.

TedInATL on December 18, 2010 at 10:15 AM

As a right of center black man, all this talk about Cain is to me too reminiscent of the praise lavished on Alan Keyes, who also sought a confrontation with Obama at the polls.

We know how THAT turned out.

L.N. Smithee on December 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM

L.N. Smithee on December 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM

Trenchant observations about Cain, L.N.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m now following you on Twitter and will be reading your blog because you have a unique, intelligent view into the problems we’re facing as a nation.

Jenfidel on December 18, 2010 at 10:27 AM

I’d love to see “The Herminator” run. Even though I don’t think he would get the nomination I think he would drive the ‘debate’ to the right and generate more coverage of conservatism (not RINO kinder gentler big government bull). He’d be a great advocate for smaller government, lower taxes etc.

JimP on December 18, 2010 at 10:07 AM

Yes. +1

Jenfidel on December 18, 2010 at 10:29 AM

As a right of center black man, all this talk about Cain is to me too reminiscent of the praise lavished on Alan Keyes, who also sought a confrontation with Obama at the polls.

We know how THAT turned out.

L.N. Smithee on December 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM

I assure you, Herman Cain is no Alan Keyes. Herman is much more well-rounded. Keyes, by his own doing, was seen as a one-issue-obsessed candidate.

TedInATL on December 18, 2010 at 10:33 AM

There are plenty of open spots on the Primary ballots. I’m happy to see anyone go for it. It may also help show how very welcome African all Americans are to us Conservatives.

SurferDoc on December 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I wish the trolls could realize how boring and childish they are, but being children, they can’t.

Jenfidel on December 18, 2010 at 9:41 AM

It looks like the irony was left on all night.

darwin-t on December 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM

It looks like the irony was left on all night.

darwin-t on December 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM

Awesome! That made my morning. Thanks.

TedInATL on December 18, 2010 at 11:42 AM

On the topic of Herman Cain. I heard him speak, and donated to him in Georgia. I voted for him in the primary, and watched as he went down. To this day, I think we would have been better served in Georgia if Herman Cain had won the primary.

Does that mean I think he’s Presidential Material? He couldn’t be any worse than anyone else we’ve had there in the last fifty years. However, the lack of Governor, Senator, or some other elected title in his Resume’ will be a big hinderance for him. One he may not be able to overcome.

Snake307 on December 18, 2010 at 1:47 PM

I’ll take “successful CEO” over “100 kajillion years experience in House, Senate” any day.

mankai on December 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM

After enjoying the 21 minutes and 53 second interview of Herman Cain, I looked forward to reading the 6 pages of comments. I thought to myself, “Hey, maybe this guy might have some real legs for the 2012 race if he can generate that much conversation!” But then of course, on the very first page of comments, the thread became another bomb throwing, hijacked crapfest with hardly any of it pertaining to Mr. Cain. And then, eventually, it became about the commenters and not about any political figures at all. Ugh!

A note to those who think that they are not thread hijackers:
If you post more than, oh shall we say, 25 posts on a single thread that have only the absolute faintest thing to do with the actual topic of the thread, you are doing a disservice to the person, topic or idealogy that you are attempting to support. In other words, give it a rest, you’re sucking all of the air out of the room!

Back to what this thread was supposed to be about:
I liked what I’ve heard from Mr. Cain. When I’ve listened to his radio show while driving throughout the southeast, I’ve been thoroughly impressed. I look forward to seeing him campaign and see how he holds up against the already established candidates.

rmel80 on December 18, 2010 at 2:18 PM

Nope. Go Sarah.

davidk on December 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM

Good thread.

Tough crowd.

justltl on December 18, 2010 at 2:27 PM

I was seriously tempted to headline this: “Herman Cain endorsed by candy-ass RINO,” but . . .

The Other McCain on December 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Tough crowd.

justltl on December 18, 2010 at 2:27 PM

Hey, those Furies were kinda hot

The Other McCain on December 18, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Liked your interview, Ed. But he wasn’t all that specific about solutions. Do love his radio show, though.

Western_Civ on December 18, 2010 at 6:11 PM

Step 1: Find thread saying positive things about Herman Cain
Step 2: Post comment that “Palinbots” will be outraged
Step 3: Go after Palin supporters who post any comments suggesting they prefer Palin. Be sure to call names and drag up any previous posts that were … questionable .. to discredit them
Step 4: When Palin supporters defend themselves, accuse them of hijacking the thread

The above is what might happen in a hypothetical universe with people who are paid to astroturf and make Palin look bad. Not to be confused with this universe. But gosh darn it, it did kind of happen in this universe, too! But I’m sure it was for different reasons.

Just to be clear, I’m not accusing people of being paid to post negative comments about Palin supporters in order to make Palin herself look bad. There is insufficient evidence for that. I’m just pointing out that the end result was about the same.

As tigerlily and powerpro noticed, the hijacking of the thread seems to have begun when certain commenters who shall remain anonymous spent all their time attacking Jenfidel, unseen, and gary4205.

Well, these kinds of discussions do tend to happen among opinionated people.

But the chutzpah is when those hijackers then accuse Jenfidel and gary4205 of hijacking the thread.

That doesn’t mean I’m endorsing everything Jenfidel or gary4205 has ever said, or any other Palin supporter for that matter. They own their own comments.

But I don’t believe they were the ones who hijacked this thread.

tom on December 18, 2010 at 9:44 PM

tom on December 18, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Speaking as one of those who has been attacked by jenfidel
might I respectfully say that you are very wrong.

She hijacks EVERY THREAD she invades.
If you disagree-however minimally-with Sarah Palin jenfidel brands you a:troll, Alinskyite, a brain-wished liberal, faux conservative, abortion loving ‘womyn’(her spelling) etc.
She even had the CHUTZPAH-I can use that word as well-to accuse me of using my autism as an excuse for my trollery’(her word again). Her attacks have smeared many a good conservative and as a result…are having the effect of turning people AWAY from Palin because on HA jenfidel has become her ‘voice’(Gov. Palin I’m certain wouldn’t approve of jen but…)
We didn’t take over this thread-jen did-and we weren’t about to let her vicious attacks on us as conservatives go unanswered.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM

By the way: I’m not anonymous. My name’s Barb.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Rhetorical question: Why does every thread about every potential prez candidate turn into a thread about Sarah Palin?

Moving on, Cain is for Affirmative Action? Really? I wish those who are making this claim would provide a link, but that’s probably too much to ask.

Buy Danish on December 19, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Cain responds to charges he is for affirmative action in 2004 op-ed.

Buy Danish on December 19, 2010 at 12:29 AM

She hijacks EVERY THREAD she invades.
If you disagree-however minimally-with Sarah Palin jenfidel brands you a:troll, Alinskyite, a brain-wished liberal, faux conservative, abortion loving ‘womyn’(her spelling) etc.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Respectfully, she didn’t hijack this thread. It was hijacked by those attacking her.

That’s not to say she’s without fault. I’ve wound up cross-ways with her at least once. I have disagreed with either her opinions or, more often, her tone, in the past.

But that’s the past. In this particular thread, it’s not Jenfidel who is making personal attacks rather than discuss actual issues and opinions.

I’m not familiar with Cain, but he seems like he could be a good candidate. I’m concerned that he’s never held elective office before. Not that he couldn’t be the ideal president, but that it’s hard to tell how someone deals with the political pressures of an opposition party who’s never been there before.

On the other hand, Bush 41 had the best resume in Washington, and let himself get completely pushed around by the Democrats. So I’m definitely keeping an open mind.

tom on December 19, 2010 at 12:36 AM

Who? Outside of Red State, who has heard of this guy? I’ve heard of Godfathers Pizza but have never partaken. He will have a real recognition problem on a national level.

Who outside of Arkansas had heard of Bill Clinton when he tossed his hat in the ring? What average voter had heard of Barack Obama before he entered the race?

I could care less whether Cain has won an election or not. I’m pretty much sick and tired of professional politicans at this point. I’d much rather see an effective executive in our country’s top executive position. I can’t say right now whether Cain would be a good President or not, but I have plenty of evidence that he’d make a good executive because he’s been one of those before.

I also have evidence that Cain can raise money and draw a crowd because he’s doing both those things right now. He can also get some real enthusiasm from the base and has very few, if any, hard negatives of the kind that would turn people off to him among the grassroots (unlike, say, Huckabee, Palin, or Romney).

Why not give the guy a chance in the primaries and see what he can do before ruling him out?

Jimmie Bise, Jr on December 19, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Why not give the guy a chance in the primaries and see what he can do before ruling him out?

Jimmie Bise, Jr on December 19, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Well, OK.
But just this once.

justltl on December 19, 2010 at 6:50 AM

Herman Cain rules. I would love to watch the difference in how the media handles a conservative African American compared to Obama. I would support Cain in a second. He is the kind of guy this country needs right now. Definitely not a “manager” type like Romney. Its “managers” that got us into this mess.

We need someone like Herman Cain to shake up the GOP nomination process lest we be stuck with the “next in line” Republican tradition, and watch the party find a way to lose to the worst President in the modern era in 2012.

alecj on December 19, 2010 at 12:47 PM

Please give us a black conservative who is competent so we can finally lay that racist bit to rest. Heck, maybe we could even turn it on the libs who bash him. But he still has to be worthy, not just a token. More power to him, I say.

Big John on December 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM

I love Herman Cain, Walter Williams is brilliant. I am not sure who would or qualified for President. I just hope that what’s his name loses that would make me happier.

sheebe on December 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM

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