Oh my: Standalone DADT repeal bill passes House as Olympia Snowe flips to yes in Senate

posted at 6:10 pm on December 15, 2010 by Allahpundit

They already passed an amendment to repeal DADT back in May, but that was part of a broader defense bill. Today’s vote was on the standalone DADT bill that Lieberman and Collins are hoping to put in front of the Senate next week. The vote in May: 234-194, with just five Republicans voting yes. The vote today: 250-175, with 15 Republicans in the majority. (Among the 10 who flipped to yes this time: Jeff Flake.) It was smart of Pelosi to force a vote in the House, just as it was smart of Reid to table the vote on the DREAM Act so that the House could go first. In each case, the fact that the lower chamber’s already passed a corresponding bill ratchets up the pressure on Senate fencesitters.

In fact, it’s already paying dividends. Olympia Snowe was one of the 40 no votes last week on the defense bill that had a DADT repeal provision in it, but suddenly on the standalone bill she’s had a change of heart:

“After careful analysis of the comprehensive report compiled by the Department of Defense and thorough consideration of the testimony provided by the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the service chiefs, I support repeal of the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ law,” Snowe said in a statement.

Remember, the sticking point for Scott Brown and Murkowski (but not Collins!) has been the procedural posture of the DADT vote, not the substance. They claim they’re in favor of repeal, but they want the tax deal finalized — which could happen tomorrow — and they wanted more time for debate on the broader defense bill. I’m not sure how those procedural objections will translate to the new standalone DADT bill. It could be that Brown, Murkowski, and Snowe all vote yes, which would actually put Reid at 61 votes for cloture, or they could all vote no for whatever procedural reason, leaving Reid stuck at 58. Or maybe Snowe alone will join Collins in voting yes, putting Reid one thin vote away from the magic number. If that happens, the pressure on Manchin to switch from no to yes will be overwhelming, especially since one of his aides said after last week’s vote that he probably would have voted differently if he had been the 60th vote. Long story short, anything can happen, but they’re tantalizingly close to finally getting this done. Exit question: After threatening to hold the lame duck session over until January 4th if need be to deal with the START treaty and other business, Reid basically has to bring this bill to the floor now, right? Gay activists aren’t going to accept “we ran out of time” as an excuse.


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Oh my: Standalone DADT repeal bill passes House as Olympia Snowe flips to yes in Senate

Old skank looks manly, so why not?

OmahaConservative on December 15, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Oh great, I’m looking forward to the youtube video showing a female Navy Seal kicking a prancing Marine up one side of the parade ground, and down the other, without breaking a sweat.

Skandia Recluse on December 15, 2010 at 6:13 PM

Mark my words: The same will happen with DREAM.

GOP squishes will vote yes in the name of “history” and “bipartisanship”. They really hope that Democrats will return the favor and be nice to them.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Quick, somebody remind me why its better to have a Candy-a$$ Rino as a Senator, instead of a democrat?

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Witchy Bitchy woman who should have been booted out…..

hawkman on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

In November, we turned the state red, but Collins and Snowe are still a major embarrassment. We’re “looking” for a Republican to primary Snowe in 2012…alas our new Republican governor (who curried the Tea Party vote I might add) has announced that he won’t support a primary candidate (no matter who it is) against Snowe. Ugh. We still have a ways to go here in Maine to get our State back to a state of sanity.

MainelyRight on December 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Gay activists aren’t going to accept “we ran out of time” as an excuse.

It’s wonderful to know that “activists” have enough influence in the Senate to determine military policy. Just wonderful.

darwin on December 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM

i can see the maine twins and murky helping reid out…

dang it…

i can’t believe he may actually get everything passed due to our lovely rinos…

infuriating…

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM

another wonderful display of hard, important and meaningful work by the 111th Congress.

Yayyyy…./

ted c on December 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Mark my words: The same will happen with DREAM.

GOP squishes will vote yes in the name of “history” and “bipartisanship”. They really hope that Democrats will return the favor and be nice to them.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

I wouldn’t put it past them. I think secretly that the GOP would LOVE for the DREAM act to pass and open the roads to Amnesty so they won’t have Immigration reform hanging over their heads any longer.

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM

They really hope that Democrats will return the favor and be nice to them.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

they ALWAYS do…lucy with the football every time…

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:17 PM

No budget bill.
No tax bill.
Unemployment out of control.
America tanking in the world economy.
America losing power by the second to China and Russia and the new Islamic Empire.

But BY GOD, we’ll have pink berets in our military because we’re so gosh-darned intellectually superior!

Skywise on December 15, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Burn up the phone lines.

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Slouching Prostrating Towards Gomorrah

fourdeucer on December 15, 2010 at 6:18 PM

well since the gays get to live with, shower with, and spend a great deal of time with the objects of their desire…I would hope this bill allows heterosexuals the same rights to co-mingle with the objects of their desire…

but of course its all about the gays and what they want…

right4life on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Quick, somebody remind me why its better to have a Candy-a$$ Rino as a Senator, instead of a democrat?

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

That’s easy. As “No Labels” says on their website … lots of people are “centrist” and want us all to get along when Republicans are in power by voting with democrats but are ok with democrats acting partisan and shoving crap down our throats when they’re in power.

darwin on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

It’s wonderful to know that “activists” have enough influence in the Senate to determine military policy. Just wonderful.

darwin on December 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM

Yep.

It like the “we have to do it or the courts will” argument. So we have to do something that’s wrong because if we don’t the courts will do the same thing. Okay.

So if courts decided tomorrow, ala Breyer, that certain amendments no longer exist, does that mean we should repeal them otherwise the courts will ignore them? No. You stand up to the damn courts.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Do you think all the “gay activists” will now shut their flagellating pie holes? Me neither.

ted c on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

She’s a man baby

CWforFreedom on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

it just makes you want to scream what these folks are doing…

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Same as it ever was.

aquaviva on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Quick, somebody remind me why its better to have a Candy-a$$ Rino as a Senator, instead of a democrat?

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Because that person is from Maine…

Khun Joe on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Perfect. The next kid that gets dropped for a few pushups will just crawl to his squishy congress person and cry to them about how big mean (conservative) drill SGT dropped him for being g-a-y….! awww.

Trajectories.

ted c on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

These people learned nothing at all from November 2nd, 2010.

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Do you think all the “gay activists” will now shut their flagellating pie holes? Me neither.

ted c on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

The next frontier is demanding the military recognize and perform gay marriages. And then saying that the feds should be forced to do the same because the military already does.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

it just makes you want to scream what these folks are doing…

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Amen

MainelyRight on December 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

@Portlandon

Well, if I have been reading the posts of the ‘real’ conservatives on this site correctly, we are supposed to focus on straightening out the fiscal problems that are destroying our great nation, and STFU about ‘SoCon’ issues.

Yet the same people who want everyone to STFU about social issues seem to flock to these ‘gay’ rights threads. Curious, isn’t it?

JannyMae on December 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Quick, somebody remind me why its better to have a Candy-a$$ Rino as a Senator, instead of a democrat?

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Because that person is from Maine…

Not a good enough reason…trust me

MainelyRight on December 15, 2010 at 6:22 PM

Here are two words that should scare the hell out of all of us:

DREAM Act.

madmonkphotog on December 15, 2010 at 6:22 PM

“After careful analysis of the comprehensive report compiled by the Department of Defense and thorough consideration of the testimony provided by the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the service chiefs, I support repeal of the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ law,” Snowe said in a statement.

I guess Mullen gave her copies of his Broadway Show programs.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:23 PM

The next frontier is demanding the military recognize and perform gay marriages. And then saying that the feds should be forced to do the same because the military already does.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

yep. The “they all just want to serve and be patriotic” is a canard and a baseless argument. If it weren’t, then all of this BULLSH!T would stop right here. It won’t. Next target–Fort Bragg Main Post Chapel and LT Smith and LT Brown, all resplendent in their blues, gettin’ hitched. Can you imagine the reception??//

ted c on December 15, 2010 at 6:23 PM

JannyMae on December 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Predictable, though. Shifting sand.

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Curious, isn’t it?

JannyMae on December 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Very Curious, indeed.

Are they Bi-curious?

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM

These people learned nothing at all from November 2nd, 2010.

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

You mean the election was all about being unfair to gays? Who knew?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM

@Portlandon

Well, if I have been reading the posts of the ‘real’ conservatives on this site correctly, we are supposed to focus on straightening out the fiscal problems that are destroying our great nation, and STFU about ‘SoCon’ issues.

Yet the same people who want everyone to STFU about social issues seem to flock to these ‘gay’ rights threads. Curious, isn’t it?

JannyMae on December 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Yes, I agree, JannyMae, and I noticed as much long ago, too.

Many of the alleged ‘conservative’ websites demanding Fiscal Conservativism AND a suppression of “social issues” are also quite intensely pro-homosexual/pro-gay lobby.

Cato Institute, for example. Many others.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

Time for another Constitutional Amendment.

The Lame Duck Act
: All bills voted on during a lame duck session shall require a 2/3s vote of both the Senate & house AND the President’s signature.

The idea that Congress would, let alone pass, bills which restructure immigration, the tax code, the military AND the budget during a lame duck session is practically criminal.

The start of the session was moved from March to January because it no longer takes a house to get to DC. Well if they are going to pull this crap then it should be mover to December 1st.

The idea that so many Congress members who have just been thrown from office could make so many critical votes is just plain wrong.

Rocks on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM

It went over your head, too, huh?

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Homosexual activists ARE engaged in “social issues.” Their entire wants are “social issues” gets or grabs or redo’s, whatever.

Suppressing the views of others is what the ‘gay activists’ rely on.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

You mean the election was all about being unfair to gays? Who knew?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM

laughable…this is just more special rights for the gays…they get to shower with the objects of their desire..but the heteros don’t. I’m sure you’re all for integrating the showers and living quarters for men and women..since gays get to live with and see the objects of their desire….sure

right4life on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

What a shock. Snowe is as radical as Obama on abortion and gay issues.

Hening on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Rocks on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

hear hear!

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Well, I say it’s all to the good. It’s time to end this silly policy. Then maybe we can focus on the real problems facing this nation.

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

You mean the election was all about being unfair to gays? Who knew?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM

Again with the word “fair”.

Not even equality. Not even discriminatory. But “fair”.

It’s the same word used to justify the redistribution of wealth. We have to be “fair”. The DREAM Act? It’s just being “fair”.

The military isn’t “fair”. And the United States government doesn’t have the responsibility of being “fair”.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Time for another Constitutional Amendment.

The Lame Duck Act: All bills voted on during a lame duck session shall require a 2/3s vote of both the Senate & house AND the President’s signature.

The idea that Congress would, let alone pass, bills which restructure immigration, the tax code, the military AND the budget during a lame duck session is practically criminal.
(…)

Rocks on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

I completely agree with you. The Lame Duck Sessions should never be allowed to pass legislation. What they didn’t do prior to losing re-election, they can’t do afterward.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Rocks on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

can you imagine the HOWLING if it was the gop in charge and they were doing this?

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Many of the alleged ‘conservative’ websites demanding Fiscal Conservativism AND a suppression of “social issues” are also quite intensely pro-homosexual/pro-gay lobby.

Cato Institute, for example. Many others.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

yeah with friends like that….

right4life on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

It went over your head, too, huh?

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

LOL. Maybe, did I miss your sarc?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:28 PM

What a shock. Snowe is as radical as Obama on abortion and gay issues.

Hening on December 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Yes. And don’t get me started on Susan Collins, now that the Maine Sisters are being discussed.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

By all means, replace the word “fair” with “equal” in my comment and try again.

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM

would vote, let lone pass…

takes a horse not a house…

arghhhhhhhhh….

Rocks on December 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

GOProud isn’t a fiscally Conservative based group, but a Socially liberal Republican group. They can try and fool some, but most know what they want.

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Let the blanket parties begin.

teacherman on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Mark my words: The same will happen with DREAM.

I agree, they squish on DADT they better be prepared to squish on DREAM…

They need to amend the DADT bill in the Senate to keep women out of combat positions.

ninjapirate on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

The military isn’t “fair”. And the United States government doesn’t have the responsibility of being “fair”.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:27 PM

Not the military rendition under Mullen and Gates and Powell, et al. These guys — I’ll be frank, candid here — are disgusting.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Is there a part of the bill, allowing current members to quit the service with honorable discharges if they don’t want to serve with open homosexuals?

Didn’t think so.

Maybe the strategy is to force the new republican congress to pass a new draft, to replace all those who will likely resign/not reenlist/not enlist in the first place.

Rebar on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

By all means, replace the word “fair” with “equal” in my comment and try again.

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM

no equality for the heteros is there?

but then its not about equality is it now?

right4life on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Well….if it happens, our guys will find a way to deal with it. I have faith that the US military will find a way to make it work. I wish it didn’t have to happen RIGHT NOW….it would probably eventually happen on it’s own anyway. Advocates are so desperate for a win that they don’t give a crap about the guys in a shooting war right now.

They see this as their last chance, only because they do not realize that they are tools of the democrat party, who talk a good game in public but will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat if it helps their poll numbers.

Mord on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

Rocks on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

If you are going the Constitutional Amendment route, make it so winners are seated immediately upon certification, and losers are OUT immediately as the election results are certified; no more waiting until January to take office, or move out of the one you lost.

Skandia Recluse on December 15, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Snow must go

Wade on December 15, 2010 at 6:33 PM

Collins to Democrats: “Pssst. Hey guys, is there anymore room in your Trojan Horse?”

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:33 PM

fox news alert…gov’t could shut down for a day or two…

hmmmmm

cmsinaz on December 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM

GOProud isn’t a fiscally Conservative based group, but a Socially liberal Republican group. They can try and fool some, but most know what they want.

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM

I agree as to what you say about GOProud, completely agree.

However, the sites I was referring to (but refrained from naming except Cato) are many of the so-called “Right” and even “military” sort sites by authors I’m attempting to be polite about in not calling out by name.

They’ve been more than eager to, even gleeful about supporting, repealing DADT by many a “social issue” pitch while condemning anyone else who attempted/attempts to disagree or discuss additional issues.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Tell you what, find a poll not done by an overtly Liberal Organization that supports this. American is 75 % Christian, 54% Conservative. There is no way that the majority of Americans favor this. And it was clearly the majority of Americans that expressed a return to Conservative values on November 2nd. Or did you sleep though it?

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM

By all means, replace the word “fair” with “equal” in my comment and try again.

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:29 PM

Sorry to jump but the use of the word “fair” in setting government, or worse yet military, policy is quite revealing.

Even the equality thing. That’s not the responsibility of the military either.

Women can’t serve in special forces. You can’t be in a wheelchair and jump into war zones (to the best of my knowledge).

Why not end those discriminatory practices? At least gays are allowed to serve as long as they don’t reveal their sexuality. There’s far more, deeper discrimination occurring.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM

This is all BS from the administration to get gay marriage recognized nationwide (and create a schizophrenic military). Gates and Mullen are acting disgracefully. The only question is how much of their behavior is a result of Obama direction.

fiatboomer on December 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Mord on December 15, 2010 at 6:31 PM

I guess I have more faith and respect for our soldiers than so many others seem to. Some how I just don’t think that military discipline or professionalism of our troops will suffer just because someone in their unit can now say that they’re gay without punishment. I happen to believe, strike that, I happen to know that they’re better than that!

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM

Anyone who has any curiosity about that ‘group’ and what they’re about, need look no farther than their Board of Directors and those among them who fancy themselves “GOP advisers”.

Let’s see, for starters, the goods on Grover Norquist. Lengthy but well worth reading this informative expose.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Quick, somebody remind me why its better to have a Candy-a$$ Rino as a Senator, instead of a democrat?

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Got no answer.

davidk on December 15, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Cato Institute, for example. Many others.

Well, one of the VPs of Cato endorsed Obama, so they certainly are not the standard bearers of libertarianism anymore.

If the Maine sisters and/or Brown do this though, we need to kick them out even if it means we get a Dem instead. If “Moderate Republican” means votes with the Democrats on every important issue of the day, who cares what letter they have after their name?

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM

One can certainly see how a physical disability would render one unable to perform some missions. Duh. Women should be allowed to serve in special forces, IMHO. At one time they weren’t allowed to be pilots and since have done well in that role, for example.

But tell me, how does telling others that one is gay render one unable to perform his mission?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM

Unfortunately the Marine Corps and multiple service chiefs oppose the repeal. As Allah linked this morning, 60% of deployed Marines say DADT repeal will negatively impact performance.

All of this “our military is just that great” rhetoric from proponents of repeal is nice. But it doesn’t line up with what actually deployed service members say.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Sooooooooooo, this means there will be a ton of recruiting offices opening in San Francico????

Will the Air Force be setting up a recruiting booth at the Folsom Street Fair because of all the gays who wouldn’t join because of DADT will now be clamoring to join????

Because as a nation in decline we really have nothing better to do????

When it’s 2012 with the PC crowd fully entrenched in the Military ask yourself this: Do You Feel Safer?

Branch Rickey on December 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM

That settles it. It was true all along. Snowe plays for the other team–the Democrats.

Emperor Norton on December 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM

This is all BS from the administration to get gay marriage recognized nationwide (and create a schizophrenic military). Gates and Mullen are acting disgracefully. The only question is how much of their behavior is a result of Obama direction.

fiatboomer on December 15, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Yep, yep, and yep.

This is about advancing a gay agenda, part of Obama’s deplorable political agenda. And the political players who are miming the words because they’re career politicians, in uniform or out of it. Has NOTHING to do with improving our military nor even maintaining it decently.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM

If “Moderate Republican” means votes with the Democrats on every important issue of the day, who cares what letter they have after their name?

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

But … but … they’ll still vote “R” some of the time!

I think.

darwin on December 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM

guess I have more faith and respect for our soldiers than so many others seem to. Some how I just don’t think that military discipline or professionalism of our troops will suffer just because someone in their unit can now say that they’re gay without punishment.

Yes, I’m sure our military can now rise to the level of efficiency of the Dutch, who had a very successfully integration of homosexual troops themselves. Oh, the Dutch can’t actually fight anymore, but darn are they nice and PC.

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I happen to believe, strike that, I happen to know that they’re better than that!

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM

We will see, there is no reason to be testing theories of behavior on the very institution we rely on for the protection of our country.

fourdeucer on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Well, here’s a WaPo/ABS news poll that shows 77% in favor of repeal. That’s pretty typical of poll results over the past few months. Even if you want to argue that they oversampled Democrats, looking at the cross-tabs, adjusting it to a more heavily GOP sample won’t change the overall result – that a large majority simply don’t care if gay men and women are allowed to openly serve in the armed forces.

I, for one, will be glad when it’s repealed, so we can all stop being distracted by minor issues like this one.

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

But tell me, how does telling others that one is gay render one unable to perform his mission?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Not sure. But I’m not ambitious enough to say that 60% of deployed Marines are wrong or lying.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

But … but … they’ll still vote “R” some of the time!

I think.

darwin on December 15, 2010 at 6:40 PM

That’s the thing, waffling on some pork? Sure, I understand, you are from ME/MA. But things like this? Not only no, but hell no. Our troops deserve better then to be stabbed in the back like this.

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

JannyMae on December 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Exactly right.

davidk on December 15, 2010 at 6:42 PM

The next frontier is demanding the military recognize and perform gay marriages. And then saying that the feds should be forced to do the same because the military already does.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Hate to be a benefits coordinator at USAA….

Branch Rickey on December 15, 2010 at 6:42 PM

Cato Institute, for example. Many others.

Well, one of the VPs of Cato endorsed Obama, so they certainly are not the standard bearers of libertarianism anymore.

If the Maine sisters and/or Brown do this though, we need to kick them out even if it means we get a Dem instead. If “Moderate Republican” means votes with the Democrats on every important issue of the day, who cares what letter they have after their name?

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

“…(one of the VPs of Cato endorsed Obama)”…

and advocates for “‘gay’ marriage”

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:42 PM

But tell me, how does telling others that one is gay render one unable to perform his mission?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

It doesn’t. It is the court protection of all the in your face stuff that is sure to follow that is the problem.

pedestrian on December 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM

I, for one, will be glad when it’s repealed, so we can all stop being distracted by minor issues like this one.

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

I will work to get Brown and/or the Maine Sisters removed – including donating to their Democrat opponents if necessary.

This sort of dirty dealing needs to be answered with a firm rejection.

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM

These people learned nothing at all from November 2nd, 2010.

kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM

They learned that they better get everything done by January 4th 2011…

phreshone on December 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Upper level brass in the military are first and foremost political animals. I don’t put much stock in their opinions on politically charged debates. A for the opinion poll, who knows how the question was phrased, the poll conducted or the results tallied?

Please tell me just how it is that allowing a soldier to say that they are gay will effect the mission?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Another Joyous event:

Vote on Dec. 21 for Net Neutrality.

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

I agree with those that have said that this is nothing more than another attempt by the radical gays to force their agenda on everyone. Those who really want to serve in the military can do so now.

Somebody said it very well, earlier, on the other DADT thread. I don’t feel like going back to try and find the post or the name of the person who made it, but I’ll give you the gist of it:

The type of homosexuals who insist on being “out” and demand approval of their “sexuality” as THE defining characteristic of who they are, are not mentally stable and are not suited to serve in the military.

JannyMae on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Tell you what, find a poll not done by an overtly Liberal Organization
kingsjester on December 15, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Well, here’s a WaPo/ABS news poll that shows 77% in favor of repeal.
Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

CHECKMATE!!!

*snicker*

BigWyo on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

This sort of dirty dealing needs to be answered with a firm rejection.

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Dirty dealing? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s not as if Scott Brown campaigned on keeping DADT in place, did he? So, if he’s not breaking a campaign promise, how is his voting for repeal ‘dirty’?

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

It doesn’t. It is the court protection of all the in your face stuff that is sure to follow that is the problem.

pedestrian on December 15, 2010 at 6:43 PM

I can’t wait to see the gay “rights” indoctrination we’ll get;

This is my rifle…this is my gun…

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

I, for one, will be glad when it’s repealed, so we can all stop being distracted by minor issues like this one.

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Oh, hey, how do you feel about “‘gay’ marriage” and, say, abortion and Christian beliefs, as in, exercising one’s Christian beliefs? I ask because so far, the suppression of “social issues” has condemned all of those issues from a negative perspective while being all too eager to poll and poll again about how “popular” this repeal of DADT is, so we’re told while hearing nothing in support of it from actual members of the military, except the Perfumed Generals in the Pentagon.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Dirty dealing? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s not as if Scott Brown campaigned on keeping DADT in place, did he? So, if he’s not breaking a campaign promise, how is his voting for repeal ‘dirty’?

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Stabbing our troops in the back while they are deployed? What the hell would you call that?

We can’t make sure that they get to vote, but we can do the one think they don’t want us to do.

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Not sure. But I’m not ambitious enough to say that 60% of deployed Marines are wrong or lying.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

But your are willing to say so to the other 40%.

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Well, here’s a WaPo/ABS news poll that shows 77% in favor of repeal.
Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

CHECKMATE!!!

*snicker*

BigWyo on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Big laugh aloud here. WaPo/ABS, next thing we’ll be hearing how popular repeal of DADT is in Berkeley, wow.

Lourdes on December 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM

CHECKMATE!!!

*snicker*

BigWyo on December 15, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Well, the Post and ABS, aren’t ‘Liberal Organizations’ like MoveOn or DailyKos, are they? If you want to say they are new organizations with a liberal bias, I’d agree with that, but they can’t commission completely unreal polls like the DNC can without losing big-time credibility. And as I pointed out, even if you adjust their sample significantly, it still shows a majority in favor of repeal.

Inkblots on December 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Not sure. But I’m not ambitious enough to say that 60% of deployed Marines are wrong or lying.

amerpundit on December 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Hey, but 95% of the WaPo staff support the repeal, and really, whose voice is more important here?

18-1 on December 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM

GOProud isn’t a fiscally Conservative based group, but a Socially liberal Republican group. They can try and fool some, but most know what they want.

portlandon on December 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM

You are way off base there, p-don. Way off.

JetBoy on December 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Please tell me just how it is that allowing a soldier to say that they are gay will effect the mission?

MJBrutus on December 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM

It isn’t a mission so much as moral.

upinak on December 15, 2010 at 6:50 PM

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