Crunch time: Mike Pence voting no on the tax cuts deal; Update: House liberals warming to deal?

posted at 5:00 pm on December 14, 2010 by Allahpundit

This is the first time I’ve thought the whole deal really might collapse in the House.

“At the end of the day, I’ve just come to the conclusion: the American people did not vote for more stimulus,” Pence said on conservative talker Sean Hannity’s radio show. “Therefore, I will not vote for this tax deal when it comes to the floor of the House of Representatives.”

Pence joins the ranks of conservatives, many of whom have ties to the Tea Party movement, who have opposed the deal. The Indiana Republican echoed their arguments against the bill; Pence said the 13-month extension of unemployment benefits would only bloat the deficit, and that extending the tax rates for only two years wouldn’t provide adequate certainty in the markets.

With House progressives in revolt, Obama realistically needs all of the Blue Dogs and almost all of the GOP to push this thing through, but I don’t know how much longer House Republicans can hold on. Granted, Paul Ryan, Grover Norquist, and Freedom Works are in favor of the deal, but a whole lot of conservative rock stars on the right are now against it — from Pence to Palin to Bachmann to talk radio to grassroots outfits like the Tea Party Patriots. How many House liberals are willing to bite the bullet and vote yes for Obama’s sake to replace defecting votes on the GOP side? The whole thing’s starting to remind me of the amnesty bill in the Senate in 2007, which looked like it would pass early on and then crumbled as each new provision aimed at attracting hardliners on one side scared off more votes on the other. Maybe this is a simple case of Pence raising the stakes in hopes that it’ll spook House liberals into giving up on their estate tax demands, since the more Republicans peel away, the more frantic the White House will be for the House to approve the Senate bill as is and preserve whatever GOP votes still remain for the deal. If that doesn’t happen and the majority for the bill collapses, though, then … what? Do they pass a bill to extend the income tax rates across the board for two more years and leave the estate tax and payroll tax for the next Congress, where it’ll be even harder to find a compromise? And what happens to the unemployment extension?

Here’s Thune defending his vote for the bill in the Senate and taking a shot at certain unnamed people/presidential rivals for criticizing while on the sidelines because it’s politically expedient. Click the image to watch.

Update: Looks like I spoke too soon about that progressive revolt in the House.

Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), who just a week ago circulated a letter signed by 54 Democrats urging opposition to the deal, now says the “die is cast.”

“It is academic, OK. The bottom line is that it is a fast moving train and that has become clear and Washington is doing what it is finding easy to do,” he said in an interview with The Hill…

Many liberals in the House, possibly already sensing it would be difficult to derail a package with the support of the White House and GOP leaders, did not even sign the Welch letter.

I thought we were looking at 150 or so Republican votes in the House plus 70 or so Democrats, most of whom would be Blue Dogs. Instead, maybe we’re looking at something more on the order of 110 from each side? That leaves Obama with a lot bigger cushion to lose hardliners.


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There are NO TAX CUTS! It’s a bill to keep the current levels of taxes.

Tommy_G on December 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM

PENCE for PRESIDENT!

SDarchitect on December 14, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Pence Stock just shot up.

More, Please.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I am getting edgier as this thing goes on.

OmahaConservative on December 14, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Crunch time: Mike Pence voting no on the tax cuts deal
========================================================
Excellent,I won’t have to put Pence on my Great Grand
Purge List Part Deux!(sarc).

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:08 PM

Pence/Palin/2012

or

Palin/Pence/2012

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:09 PM

PENCE/RYAN 2012

SDarchitect on December 14, 2010 at 5:10 PM

There are NO TAX CUTS! It’s a bill to keep the current levels of taxes.

Tommy_G on December 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM

But there are tax increases unless a bill passes by December 31 (or is retroactively effective to that date).

Jimbo3 on December 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Maybe this is a simple case of Pence raising the stakes in hopes that it’ll spook House liberals into giving up on their estate tax demands

Is this any different than Jim DeMint threatening to filibuster the bill last week? Pence is playing a strong hand, DeMint didn’t have the cards but the result is the same. Lotsa liberals walked the plank on it last week and now lots more are now on the firing line for, you guessed it, the 0ne himself, once again.

ted c on December 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Politically expedient my butt. Why is there pork in this thing? What do ethanol and green subsidies have to do with it? Present the deal that was announced and vote on that.

Rocks on December 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM

“At the end of the day, I’ve just come to the conclusion: the American people did not vote for more stimulus,” Pence said on conservative talker Sean Hannity’s radio show.

It was a good interview on Hannity. He sure sounds like a solid conservative. I didn’t like that Pence kept repeating that he was ringing a bell for the Salvation Army. He said it like 4 times.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:13 PM

“At the end of the day, I’ve just come to the conclusion: the American people did not vote for more stimulus,” Pence said…”

Apparently…

… There was at least one person listening to the American people on November 2nd.

Run with it Pence…

… It’s a winner!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2010 at 5:13 PM

PENCE for PRESIDENT!

SDarchitect on December 14, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Pence Stock just shot up.

More, Please.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Yup and yup. I like this guy more everyday; he’s got balls.

Dopenstrange on December 14, 2010 at 5:13 PM

We’ve got Obama on record saying the lower tax rates have saved/created millions of jobs.

We should kill this “compromise” and force him to either live by his statement on a solo vote on the lower tax rates (or UI extension with companion spending cuts).

Now is NOT the time to give the Democrats Porkulus 2.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:13 PM

“At the end of the day, I’ve just come to the conclusion: the American people did not vote for more stimulus,” Pence said on conservative talker Sean Hannity’s radio show. “Therefore, I will not vote for this tax deal when it comes to the floor of the House of Representatives.”
=======================================================
Meanwhile…………………………………..

Madness Visible and crew,Capt’ned by Pelosi Queeg,
and her boss,#14 Stitches are trying to pull another
fast one!!
************

Senate Dems unveil $1.1T spending bill
12/14/10 01:52 PM ET

Senate Democrats have filed a $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill that would fund the government through fiscal year 2011, according to Senate GOP sources.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/133563-senate-dems-unveil-11t-omnibus-spending-bill-

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Knucklehead on December 14, 2010 at 5:05 PM

When are these people going to get it through their thick skulls that they have to stop spending? I am as conservative as they come, but if comes down to raising tax rates and cutting spending vs. maintaining the current tax rates and increasing spending, I’m for the former.

Just what makes these people think that maintaining the current tax rates will lead to economic prosperity?

CTSherman on December 14, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Oh, and bonus points to the Republicans if they start talking about the pork in the bill as a giveaway to the rich.

We’ve set up the play pretty well, presuming we can pull it off…

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:15 PM

Yes, the bill will keep income taxes and capital gains taxes at the same rates they are now, but also:

1) increase taxes on estates over $5 million from 0% to 35%
2) fund unemployment benefits up to 99 weeks for anyone collecting now
3) waste money on ethanol subsidies
4) cost the US its AAA credit rating

Nyet!

Emperor Norton on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Maybe Pence thinks that this will pass anyway and by voting no he can make nice with certain parts of the base without worrying about pissing off the majority of Americans who support the deal.

There is nothing brave about ending these tax cuts. I know that people think the Republicans will just say no and then pass something rectroactively..and that might happen, but it is just as likely that if the far right and far left kill the deal…then the only thing that will happen is higher taxes for most Americans…and Americans did not appreciate it when the Democrats did not listen to them, I doubt if they will like it any more if the Republicans don’t listen either.

Obama will still be President in Jan, he can veto any new bill and then blame the tax increases on people like Pence and liberal Democrats. He gets higher taxes and someone else gets the blame.

So, the question is, is this courage, or just political pandering? I like Pence, but I think that killing a deal like this over something silly like one year extension of a $5 billion ethanol tax credit is irresponsible. If they can retroactively pass a new bill, they can certainly pass this and then retroactively remove the parts they don’t like in Jan.

Terrye on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

It’s gotten so bad that I’m unsure what would be worse for the economy….passing all of this pork spending, hundreds of billions of dollars, or just letting the rates expire and the government shut down and starting over in Jan.

Mord on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

New spending bill totals $575.13 million PER PAGE!!!

This thing is getting out of control.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

I called my guys this morning to voice opposition. I wanted to let them know that they don’t have to vote in a rush, and that if the dems start stuffing this thing like crazy, then back out and take it up in Jan. We can win on the rhetoric front by simply stating that the Repubs. were willing to go along with the Pres. on a clean bill, but the House and Senate Dems. destroyed it by adding to it, thus holding the American people’s money hostage and playing politics at a time when we can least afford it.

Weight of Glory on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!

Palin/Pence? 2012

I’m liking Mike Pence more and more, but he still doesn’t hold a candle to Palin. Hope he runs for Gov instead of POTUS. But, I could take him as VP.

BTW, AP, Mathews was just trashing Mitt on Hardball for flip flopping and pandering to conservatives by opposing the tax deal. Chrissy’s opinion means little to me, but this time he’s right. Mitt is the most unprincipled pol running in 2012. Huck might even be more principled.

davek70 on December 14, 2010 at 5:18 PM

I would love to see Mike Pence debate BHO….I meant FBHO…

do ya think FBHO will tag team with Billy Jeff at the next POTUS debates???

ted c on December 14, 2010 at 5:19 PM

Do they pass a bill to extend the income tax rates across the board for two more years and leave the estate tax and payroll tax for the next Congress, where it’ll be even harder to find a compromise? And what happens to the unemployment extension?

All of these s/b voted on individually.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Really liked Pence, thought he should run for President. Not anymore. The dude is a gambler, and a poseur. He is gambling with livelihood of millions of people – unnecessarily. If the bill will fail, the dems will pass the unemployment extension anyway, but the damn taxes will rise dramatically, some businesses that are teetering will fall, some folks will end up in bankruptcy and may never recover, even if these taxes will be rolled back with new Congress. John Thune is a much better, steady and thoughtful presidential candidate.

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:20 PM

Crunch time: Mike Pence voting no on the tax cuts deal

Sounds like someone is either running for POTUS or angling to be Palin’s VP pick.

That said, if Republicans kill tax cuts for middle America AND the extension ofunemployment benefits, they WILL suffer a price for it.

Vyce on December 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM

I thought we were looking at 150 or so Republican votes in the House plus 70 or so Democrats, most of whom would be Blue Dogs. Instead, maybe we’re looking at something more on the order of 110 from each side? That leaves Obama with a lot bigger cushion to lose hardliners.

Pigs dwell on both sides of the isle.

See this Reid monstrosity.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2010 at 5:23 PM

New spending bill totals $575.13 million PER PAGE!!!

isn’t it a separate bill, unrelated to the extension of current tax rates ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:23 PM

More theater…………..MORE POPCORN!

GarandFan on December 14, 2010 at 5:23 PM

that extending the tax rates for only two years wouldn’t provide adequate certainty in the markets.

If the left are gonna gripe about tax cuts then they ought to really cut them!

tinkerthinker on December 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM

hat said, if Republicans kill tax cuts

who is getting a tax cut and by how much ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM

No compromise! Stop the spending…simple as that!

Karmi on December 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM

isn’t it a separate bill, unrelated to the extension of current tax rates ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:23 PM

It is and Dingy Harry is threatening to keep this Congress in session until January 4th. That bill was just released today.

Knucklehead on December 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM

That said, if Republicans kill tax cuts for middle America AND the extension ofunemployment benefits, they WILL suffer a price for it.

Vyce on December 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM

Q. Who controls the HOUSE?
A. DEMOCRATS

Q. Who controls the SENATE?
A. DEMOCRATS

Q. Which Party Controls the White House?
A. DEMOCRATS

If it fails, it will be Obama Tax Increases.

The Dems own this.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM

The update w/b more apt as “Liberals worming to deal” – the slippery nematodes that they are.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

That said, if Republicans kill tax cuts for middle America AND the extension ofunemployment benefits, they WILL suffer a price for it.

Vyce on December 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM

How so? Keep in mind tax cuts aren’t even in this proposal, only tax increases. I would love, for example, to see the US follow Japan’s proposal here and actually look to cut taxes.

More to the point though either we are going to try and really change Washington or not. Continuing to bribe the left with more money from the bankrupt treasury cannot continue, and arguably it may already be far too late.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Knucklehead on December 14, 2010 at 5:26 PM

They’d better read that damned monstrosity, first.

OmahaConservative on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

why do some idiots find it hard to understand that current tax rate extension is not a tax cut ? why is it so difficult ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Sen. McConnell On 2000-Page Omnibus Bill: “No One Has Seen It”————–(Video).
==========================================================

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) says Democrats have not shown Republicans the almost 2000-page omnibus page.

McConnell says the lame-duck Congress should pass a short-term budget and not the current $1.1 trillion bill.

Posted on December 14, 2010
==========================

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/14/sen_mcconnell_on_2000-page_omnibus_bill_no_one_has_seen_it.html

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

How many House liberals are willing to bite the bullet and vote yes for Obama’s sake to replace defecting votes on the GOP side?

once bitten, twice shy with dear leader….

talk to the folks who are packing their bags right now in the house and senate…

cmsinaz on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

If it fails, it will be Obama Tax Increases.

The Dems own this.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM

And even if it passes it comes with an Obama Tax Increase, though a smaller one.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:29 PM

The Republicans should let it die, then propose real tax cuts come Jan. 20. I mean steep ones over a longer period of time, plus scaling back spending and regulations.

John the Libertarian on December 14, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Reid threatens to keep Congress into next year
New spending bill totals $575.13 million per page

And that’s not to mention the nearly 2,000-page, $1.1 trillion massive spending bill Senate Democrats said they’ll try to push through. The bill contains hundreds of pork-barrel spending projects …

It’s going to be a smash and grab robbery.

scrubjay on December 14, 2010 at 5:32 PM

are you not entertained?

/gladiator

ted c on December 14, 2010 at 5:32 PM

It is and Dingy Harry is threatening to keep this Congress in session until January 4th. That bill was just released today.

It’ll be a fine day when FBI will drag him out of hallowed halls of Congress in handcuffs

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:32 PM

And even if it passes it comes with an Obama Tax Increase, though a smaller one.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Correct. Tax Cuts or not Tax cuts, we are insolvent, and bankrupt. The omnibus spending bill is spanning 1,924 pages and spending an average of $575.13 million PER PAGE..

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Good job Mr. Pence, a real leader is emerging and that is what we need.

fourdeucer on December 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM

why do these liberals want to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans? kinda goes against their principles, eh? what sellouts…/

ted c on December 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM

There are NO TAX CUTS! It’s a bill to keep the current levels of taxes.

Tommy_G on December 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Thanks for the reminder.

Good for Pence.

INC on December 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM

And even if it passes it comes with an Obama Tax Increase, though a smaller one.

what do you consider an obama tax increase in the extension bill ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM

The Republicans should let it die, then propose real tax cuts come Jan. 20. I mean steep ones over a longer period of time, plus scaling back spending and regulations.

John the Libertarian on December 14, 2010 at 5:29 PM

Yep, these so called tax cuts don’t really help my business at all.

But if they’d cut that capital gains tax to zero for a year or so, I could cash out of a few investments and put that cash back into my little company.

Knucklehead on December 14, 2010 at 5:35 PM

This thing is getting out of control.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Heh

That’s like saying “Tom Brady is becoming a heckuva quarterback.”

SlimyBill on December 14, 2010 at 5:37 PM

Oh, I would strongly suggest by the way that in addition to calling out the pork as hand outs to the rich, that the Republicans start talking about the Obama Tax Increase in the bill.

Whether or not they help Obama pass it, there is no reason not to point out what Obama got inserted into it. Seriously, the guy called them “hostage takers” and lied his ass off about his desire to increase taxes on everyone, including the middle class.

STOP
PLAYING
NICE
REPUBLICANS

For God’s sake we are on the verge of bankruptcy and the public just gave you the biggest mandate in 70 years. Act like you get it.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:37 PM

what do you consider an obama tax increase in the extension bill ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM

The death tax increase.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:32 PM

just saw it on politico
dems budget bill, ugh…just say no

cmsinaz on December 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM

Attaguy mike. Golf claps

james23 on December 14, 2010 at 5:41 PM

what do you consider an obama tax increase in the extension bill ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Estates over 5 million, which is a double-jeopardy-taxation.

The unemployment extension will cost a fortune, and incentivize people not to seek work…in the end all debts will have to be paid…forget the end…the ratings will go down now.

All items s/b up or down votes. The snakes and chameleons must be exposed.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2010 at 5:43 PM

The death tax increase.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM

No , seriously what are you talking about ? I can’t believe anyone would point to that, as good enough reason to let the current tax structure collapse, and then spend untenable number of federal state and local man hours (how many millions of dollars are we talking about here ?) reworking the tax code back, instead of introducing a separate death tax elimination bill in new Congress.

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:43 PM

The unemployment extension will cost a fortune,

they will pass that anyway, as I have pointed out before.

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:44 PM

Q. Who controls the HOUSE?
A. DEMOCRATS

Q. Who controls the SENATE?
A. DEMOCRATS

Q. Which Party Controls the White House?
A. DEMOCRATS

If it fails, it will be Obama Tax Increases.

The Dems own this.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Post of the YEAR!!

Khun Joe on December 14, 2010 at 5:45 PM

No , seriously what are you talking about ? I can’t believe anyone would point to that, as good enough reason to let the current tax structure collapse

Uh, why are we raising any taxes in the middle of a depression? Especially while coupling it with billions more in waste and fraud? And a roughly $4T budget as it is?!?

Obama says he wants to keep the current tax rates – let’s get him and the Democrats to vote on that alone.

No more business as usual.

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 5:46 PM

If the lame duck Democratic House tinkers with Death Tax agreements (or makes other changes) then the deal is off. If, however, the status quo remains in place and the Bush tax cats are blocked by the Republicans (no matter that these cuts came with unemployment extension strings attached), Republicans WILL be blamed (not by Hot Air bloggers of course) for blocking them by the general public.

MaiDee on December 14, 2010 at 5:46 PM

Remember, Pence has a bill to make the rates permanent. So that is factoring into his vote. He’s making a very good argument that a two year extension will not do much for certainty and the economy as a whole. He deserves the press he’s getting.

TimTebowSavesAmerica on December 14, 2010 at 5:46 PM

With all these stealth regulations, this so called compromise is nothing more than a net tax increase on business with some nice inflation down the line thrown in for consumers.
This whole canard about how horrible it would be to retroactively redo the rates is a big lie- Clinton and W both did retroactive tax deals.
Pence is the man- the only guy who is getting what is going on here.

jjshaka on December 14, 2010 at 5:47 PM

I like Pence, but I think that killing a deal like this over something silly like one year extension of a $5 billion ethanol tax credit is irresponsible. I

Opposing a $5 billion scam is irresponsible ? That’s insane but does help explain how we got to where we are.

james23 on December 14, 2010 at 5:48 PM

New spending bill totals $575.13 million PER PAGE!!!

This thing is getting out of control.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:17 PM

portlandon:

And heres Pelosi’s first Bailout Baby that started it all!
==========================================================

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Floor Speech Before Bailout Vote
September 29 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=VMLo7i38D58

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:48 PM

If it fails, it will be Obama Tax Increases.

The Dems own this.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM

The chameleons and snakes had all of this year to do it.

May they be punished for all their charlatanry.

Reid/Pelosi/Obama – what a triumvirate! U.S. America, you deserved them, since you brung them.

Schadenfreude on December 14, 2010 at 5:48 PM

Uh, why are we raising any taxes in the middle of a depression?

you are the one who is for raising taxes come January 1

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Tax and Spendis,from Vermont/And their Version
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Welch and 53 House Democrats oppose Obama tax deal
Thursday, 09 December 2010 09:25
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In a letter sent to Speaker Pelosi Thursday, Welch and his colleagues called the proposal “fiscally irresponsible” and “grossly unfair.”

“America is wading into fiscal quicksand. Borrowing nearly a trillion dollars to finance tax cuts that disproportionately favor millionaires and billionaires threatens our ability to create jobs, grow the middle class and protect seniors,” Welch said. “Digging the country deeper into debt to pay for misguided tax policy is irresponsible and simply doesn’t make sense.”

The letter, which Welch authored and first circulated late Monday, was signed by: Reps. Earl Blumenauer, Judy Chu, Yvette Clark, Steve Cohen, John Conyers, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Peter DeFazio, Donna Edwards, Keith Ellison, Anna Eshoo, Sam Farr, Bob Filner, Barney Frank, John Garamendi, Alan Grayson, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Alcee Hastings, Martin Heinrich, Maurice Hinchey, Rush Holt, Jay Inslee, Jesse Jackson, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Paul Kanjorski, Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, John Lewis, Ben Ray Lujan, Steven Lynch, Doris Matsui, Jim McDermott, Mike Michaud, Jim Oberstar, John Olver, Chellie Pingree, David Price, Tim Ryan, Linda Sanchez, Jan Schakowsky, Carol Shea-Porter, Adam Smith, Jackie Speier, Pete Stark, Betty Sutton, Bennie Thompson, Mike Thompson, Paul Tonko, Anthony Weiner, Lynn Woolsey, David Wu and John Yarmuth.
————————————————–

Dear Madam Speaker,

We oppose acceding to Republican demands to extend the Bush tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires for two reasons.

First, it is fiscally irresponsible. Adding more than $900 billion to our national debt, as this proposal would do, handcuffs our ability to offer a balanced plan to achieve fiscal stability without a punishing effect on our current commitments, including Social Security and Medicare.

Second, it is grossly unfair. This proposal will hurt, not help, the majority of Americans in the middle class and those working hard to get there. Even as Republicans seek to add billions more to our national debt in tax cuts to the wealthy, they oppose extending unemployment benefits to workers and resist COLA increases to seniors.

Without a doubt, the very same people who support this addition to our debt will oppose raising the debt ceiling to pay for it.

We support extending tax cuts in full to 98 percent of American taxpayers, as the President initially proposed. He should not back down. Nor should we.

Sincerely,

PETER WELCH
Member of Congress

http://welch.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1268:welch-and-53-house-democrats-oppose-obama-tax-deal&catid=37:2010-press-releases&Itemid=77

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:52 PM

why do some idiots find it hard to understand that current tax rate extension is not a tax cut ? why is it so difficult ?
runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Almost meaningless semantics. If the extension doesn’t pass, will taxes go up? Yes. And that’s basically all that matters.

And sorry, but you won’t get away with saying “Dems will own this”. No, they won’t. When this is being dubbed the “Obama tax deal”, and prominent Republicans like Palin have come out against it, if it fails because enough Republicans like Pence didn’t vote for it, and taxes increase and people lose an unemployment cushion….it’s not going to be spun as Democrats killing the bill. And a majority of Americans – who support the deal – won’t buy it as Democrats killing it or owning it’s defeat.

Vyce on December 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM

The Dems own this.

portlandon on December 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM

portlandon:You are correct!!!:)

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM

If Pence has a bill to make the rates permanent, great, excellent idea, should have been done a long time ago (when Bush was still in office) and he can introduce that bill January 21st, but after the current taxes rates are at least frozen for the time being, to give people some breathing room.

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:56 PM

Almost meaningless semantics. If the extension doesn’t pass, will taxes go up? Yes. And that’s basically all that matters.

Really, then answer my original question , if it is a tax cut – as you say, who is getting it and by how much ?

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM

Thune down, Pence up.

FloatingRock on December 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM

oh please oh please oh please….

go demint!

cmsinaz on December 14, 2010 at 5:43 PM

cmsinaz:Nice Intell grab,that would be a hoot,if he reads it
he’ll be wait’n till the cows come home..which could
be for quite a while,hehe!!:)

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM

I’d vote “present”. Worked for the O man… :)

As for taxes going up, the GOP House can take this up, without the pork and extensions.

The fine print is if this goes to the GOP House, then passing an ‘extension’ becomes a true ‘tax cut’ cutting the Clinton tax rates. Plus employer’s might have had to withhold a bit more because of the reversion to Clinton tax rates. Then cutting them back to Bush tax cuts would require a ‘make up’ cut in withholding — again marketable as a tax cut.

Sadly, it’s unlikely to happen. The LOSERSHIP in the Senate has continued it’s RINO pork and spend ways with it’s Obamatastic deal.

drfredc on December 14, 2010 at 6:02 PM

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM

:)
i sure hope he doesn’t back on it…stand firm buddy!

allah started a new thread on it just as a posted that linky….

cmsinaz on December 14, 2010 at 6:03 PM

Pence is my for choice for 2012-and I understand his point…but our bank account won’t.
I hope he votes yes.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 14, 2010 at 6:16 PM

The thing to remember is that if Pence is joined by others in the House as to the content of the package, it will have to be amended…and the lame duck Congress is running out of time!

Jenfidel on December 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Anyone know if it’s Constitutional for Nancy & Harry to “hold over” this Congress if they’re past their due date to leave?

Jenfidel on December 14, 2010 at 6:35 PM

Really liked Pence, thought he should run for President. Not anymore. The dude is a gambler, and a poseur. He is gambling with livelihood of millions of people – unnecessarily. If the bill will fail, the dems will pass the unemployment extension anyway, but the damn taxes will rise dramatically, some businesses that are teetering will fall, some folks will end up in bankruptcy and may never recover, even if these taxes will be rolled back with new Congress. John Thune is a much better, steady and thoughtful presidential candidate.

runner Textbook Troll on December 14, 2010 at 5:20 PM

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Branch Rickey on December 14, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Mike Pence 2012

Branch Rickey on December 14, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Branch Rickey on December 14, 2010 at 6:38 PM

scared of you, little guy

runner on December 14, 2010 at 6:41 PM

Branch Rickey on December 14, 2010 at 6:38 PM

Stick to something more your intellectual level…like knitting.

Dark-Star on December 14, 2010 at 7:06 PM

you are the one who is for raising taxes come January 1

runner on December 14, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Actually, you are arguing for a tax increase, I am arguing against. Why? Do you think a small tax increase and significant increases in spending are what we need right now?

18-1 on December 14, 2010 at 7:38 PM

Haven’t read all of the comments yet, but I say let this bill die. Its overloaded with more spending. After the new members are sworn in in January, write a new tax bill without all of the spending and dare 0bama to veto it. Sure taxes will go up for a little while, but make it retroactive to 1/01/11.

Mirimichi on December 14, 2010 at 7:41 PM

There are NO TAX CUTS! It’s a bill to keep the current levels of taxes.

Tommy_G on December 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM

THIS BILL INCREASES TAXES ON ESTATES THE MOST UNFAIR OF ALL TAXES!

KILL the bill and come 2012 vote out any who voted for it. We will have a stronger hand in 2011 with new legitimate blood.
This Compromise is a sucker punch to the foolish Repub insiders and Good Old Boys!

Hey GOP INSIDERS COMPROMISE = You WIN SO YOU COMPROMISE… SO YOU LOSE.
We did not vote for compromise if we wanted that we would have voted for the Rats. We voted to fight to say hell no no more get some balls and fight or be gone in 12!

dhunter on December 14, 2010 at 8:08 PM

We DO NOT need to agree to more SPENDING as a bribe to Democrats!!!

Do you RINO suckers really believe that the Democrats won’t raise taxes in exchange for you caving on spending????? If so, Lucy has a football she’d like for you to kick!!!

Wait until the new Congress convenes, and then do it right: make the current rates permanent (no automatic expiration, bill should be retroactive to Jan 1 2011)!!!

landlines on December 14, 2010 at 8:27 PM

You can pontificate here and it is mental masturbation. You can/should also send an email and call your congress critter. Melt their phones and load up their email accts. I have.

(And, yes, I am spamming every thread on this subject with this same message. Tapping your keyboard here is preaching to the choir. Write and call your, supposed, rep)

Dingbat63 on December 14, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Why wouldn’t the House vote for it? It’s passed the Senate with a lot of lard.

SouthernGent on December 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM

Mike Pence just got my vote in 2012.

I live in a liberal district, I’m hoping to convince Elijah Cummings to vote against it. I may have luck. : ))

Angry Dumbo on December 14, 2010 at 8:53 PM

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM
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i sure hope he doesn’t back on it…stand firm buddy!

allah started a new thread on it just as a posted that linky….

cmsinaz on December 14, 2010 at 6:03 PM

cmsinaz:Sorry for the late response,sounds good:)

canopfor on December 14, 2010 at 9:34 PM

It’s time to start telling your friends and neighbors about Mike Pence. Most people don’t know him yet….but I think they should. I like this guy.

redwhiteblue on December 14, 2010 at 9:39 PM

Hold the line and vote NO. Please!

antisocial on December 14, 2010 at 11:35 PM

Let me c is I git dis right….. social security is insolvent and we is gonna give folks a tax holiday on social security contributions…. oh yeah…. what could go wrong..

roflmao

donabernathy on December 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM

so our economic recovery is gonna be based on a consumer economy model…..only problem I can see is… we is gonna be consume’n Chinese products……what am I miss’n here

roflmao

donabernathy on December 15, 2010 at 12:29 AM

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