Breaking: Senate reaches cloture on tax cuts bill

posted at 4:54 pm on December 13, 2010 by Allahpundit

The vote hasn’t been gaveled yet — Reid’s holding it open for several more hours to give stragglers a chance to get back to the Capitol after leaving for the weekend — but they’re already at 60 and switchers are unlikely. No surprises there: The Journal predicted yesterday that they’d end up with 65-70 votes, notwithstanding the growing tea-party backlash to the subsidies jammed in the bill. As of this writing, it’s actually 69-10, with nine of the 10 no’s coming from Democrats. (Fun fact: Kirsten Gillibrand, who attended the launch of the new centrist “No Labels” group today in NYC, is one of the no’s on this otherwise very centrist-y compromise.) Why are there more yeses than expected, with a shot at breaking 80? Because of this, presumably:

A slender 11 percent of those polled back all four of the deal’s primary tax provisions: an across-the-board extension of Bush-era tax cuts, additional jobless benefits, a payroll tax holiday and a $5 million threshold for inheritance taxes. Just 38 percent support even two of the components.

But put all four items together, and 69 percent of all Americans support the package. Large majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents alike favor the agreement, which has drawn stiff opposition from some Democrats in the House. In the poll, 69 percent of liberal Democrats support the agreement, which Obama has called a framework for legislation.

Even when primary objections to the pact are mentioned – that it would add about $900 billion to the federal budget deficit and that it extends tax breaks to the wealthy – 62 percent of all those polled support the package.

That’s not the only poll showing heavy support among liberals; in Pew’s new one, lefty backing stands at 65 percent. That’s a double whammy of good news for The One, not just because it means he’s beating House Democrats in the court of public opinion even among the base but because the combo of the polls and the lopsided vote in the Senate will make it hard for Pelosi to push changes to the bill. Or, actually, does it make it easier? If the Senate vote was 60-40, she and the House leadership might be afraid to tinker with it lest the Senate coalition collapse. If she’s got a 15-vote cushion to play with, though, she can be more ambitious. It’ll be fun (and reminiscent of the first TARP vote in 2008) if she brings the Senate bill to the floor and it fails, thereby sparking a Wall Street panic, which in turn will spark a panic on the Hill, which in turn will lead to the House passing the bill on its second try. The presidential presser after the first vote would be riveting too. Imagine how angry Clinton will be!

Here’s video of Maverick passionately arguing that the new porkier version of the bill is a total betrayal of last month’s election. And that he’ll be voting for it anyway. Click the image to watch.

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Pile it on, not much time left is there?

And who will pay the debt?

tarpon on December 13, 2010 at 4:56 PM

But will they still support it if the House meddles with it? I think that is the pertinent question now.

swamp_yankee on December 13, 2010 at 4:58 PM

Now it is time for the Dems in the House to kill it…

Pass the pudding!!

Khun Joe on December 13, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Ryan told Cavuto the house will hold death tax at 35%.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Get this bill past now and cut the spending starting Jan 5.

WashJeff on December 13, 2010 at 5:03 PM

IF THIS BILL PASSES IT IS THE END OF OUR REPUBLIC BECAUSE THERE IS AN ETHANOL SUBSIDY AND EVERYONE KNOWS ETHANOL IS COMMUNIST!!!1!!1!!1 WE MUST ACT NOW TO PRESERVE OUR REPUBLIC ZOMGGGG

NoStoppingUs on December 13, 2010 at 5:03 PM

These republicans are treading on thin ice. They may get away with this vote by parsing their words explaining why, but they wont get away with it long. AND I don’t believe they will get a free pass by voting their conscience on another issue. The Tea Party has the memory of an elephant.

csdeven on December 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Death tax?

Why?

I’m waiting for this to unravel as soon as it is introduced.

As a dear legal friend of mine said years and years ago, bad law written for all the right reasons is still bad law.

coldwarrior on December 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM

Look at the Democrats supporting tax cuts for the rich fat cats HAHAHAHAHAHA!

WisCon on December 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Oink, oink.

LASue on December 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Oh boy, it seems that The One is going to have a press conference about this… will he snap at people? Will Jimmy Carter be dragged out? Will he answer a question about the healthcare ruling and go totally off-script? Can we hope to see another Obama train wreck?

Wineaholic on December 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM

69 percent of all Americans support the package.

69% of American’s like their pork.

Crickets to the Tea Party. Did they go on vacation?

Knucklehead on December 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM

John McCain- “I say to my colleagues” what happened to “My friends”, now that you were re-elected it’s okay to be outraged but vote for it anyway.

fourdeucer on December 13, 2010 at 5:10 PM

Watch the house and Pelosi attach DADT repeal to it, lol.

Mord on December 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Oh well… We can say Obama was against the Bush tax cuts before he was for them.

El_Terrible on December 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

I can’t see Nanzi allowing the wealthy a tax cut.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM

I knew it would pass. What I’m most scared about is that now the Senate RINOs are freed up to vote for all the other stuff like DREAM Act, START, etc. Buckle your seatbelts, now it’s going to get really ugly.

Missy on December 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Missy on December 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Ditto.

El_Terrible on December 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM

The presidential presser after the first vote would be riveting too. Imagine how angry Clinton will be!

Snark!
Here’s video of Maverick passionately arguing that the new porkier version of the bill is a total betrayal of last month’s election. And that he’ll be voting for it anyway

Double-snark!

peski on December 13, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Is anyone even going to get a chance to read it…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Watch the house and Pelosi attach DADT repeal to it, lol.

Mord on December 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Seems like anything goes once the republicans start compromising.

fourdeucer on December 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM

From the headlines thread:

Sounds good but it would go down. The dems still control everything. The current deal is likely the best we can get at this time. Again, we don’t control squat.

toliver on December 13, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Unfortunately, the dems have the WH, congress and senate, so they are going to have some input. To kill the bill would be to raise taxes. No thanks. Let’s take what we can get now, and then fix what we can later, like that ethanol BS.

toliver on December 13, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Admiral Ackbar: “It’s a TRAP!”

C-3PO: “We are doomed!”

Han Solo: “I have a bad feeling about this.”

Princess Leia: “The Senate is not going to stand still for this!”

Geek Guy: “At the end of the day, all of this is simply Bantha poo-doo.”

I have to agree with the Geek Guy on this one. Elections have consequences, but unless earmarks are banned, and bills are given public scrutiny for at least 72 hours prior to voting on it, those elections are meaningless.

Business as usual, it seems. *le sigh*

itzWicks on December 13, 2010 at 5:27 PM

Let’s take what we can get now, and then fix what we can later, like that ethanol BS.

toliver on December 13, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Once the Republican’s take over the House in January, can they take that crap out? Defund it?

Knucklehead on December 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Paul over at Powerline had an interesting post on this, he said in part:

But how many of these porky provisions have been included, and what is the combined price tag? Also, are these new perks or extensions of already existing ones?

I haven’t seen an answer to the first questions. As to the second, it appears that the tax deal legislation contains no new special perks. The Washington Post reports that the only new tax breaks are the reduction in the payroll tax and a provision allowing businesses to write off 100 percent of the cost of capital investments next year. Most Republicans favor these methods of promoting growth. According to the Post, “the bill does not contain a single perk requested by a lawmaker, perhaps a first for major tax legislation.”

Moreover, again according to the Post, more than 40 existing tax breaks that have been around for years have not been included in the new legislation. And most of the breaks that would be retained are likely to be killed next year by the new Congress.

Thus, to the extent one characterizes these breaks as “stimulus,” they are a continuation of longstanding stimulus, not new stimulus like that adopted in the $800 billion plus package of 2009.

I know a lot of people want them to just vote no on this and try to do something different retroactively in January, but the problem is that Harry Reid will still be running the Senate and Obama will still be president..and if Reid filibusters something that the conservatives want or if Obama vetoes a different tax bill there will not be enough votes to over ride and pass it and the taxes will go up..Maybe they could rectroactively take some things out of it, that might stand a better chance than trying to do a whole bill later. At any rate it seems the most important thing at this point is to keep taxes from going up.

Terrye on December 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Zero is on now.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 5:31 PM

New improved Republican Party: April 15th, 2009 – December 13th, 2010.

Raisedbywolves on December 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM

Seems like anything goes once the republicans start compromising.

fourdeucer on December 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM

It does, doesn’t it? Democrats have to realize that the GOP is stuck, they will vote for anything in order to keep taxes from spiking. Republicans have not realized how engaged most people are and fear the “obstructionist” label for good reason(s) in the past. I’m of the opinion that if this bill fails, the public will not blame Republicans this time though, and the R’s don’t realize that.

Mord on December 13, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Here’s hoping Nancy comes to the rescue and lards up the bill to the point that it fails.

GarandFan on December 13, 2010 at 5:33 PM

I guess elections DONT matter!

JeffVader on December 13, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Here’s hoping Nancy comes to the rescue and lards up the bill to the point that it fails.

GarandFan on December 13, 2010 at 5:33 PM

Remind me again why we want this to fail? I can’t afford for my taxes to go up on January 1st, and neither can most people.

amerpundit on December 13, 2010 at 5:41 PM

First order of business for the new Congress – repeal obamaocare; second – repeal double taxation aka “the death tax”.

runner on December 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM

Remind me again why we want this to fail? I can’t afford for my taxes to go up on January 1st, and neither can most people.

the same reason it was good to run Christine O’Donnell for Senate ?

runner on December 13, 2010 at 5:43 PM

COWARDS!

mossberg500 on December 13, 2010 at 5:49 PM

Oompa Loompa is on Tingle’s now knocking Boehner for his ‘compromise’ moment on Hagula Stahl’s show.
Oo-Loo was at that No Labels squishy moderate forum today.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 5:51 PM

Mark my words! Zero and the dims will revert to their demonizing tomorrow.

mossberg500 on December 13, 2010 at 5:54 PM

I saw this over at Ace’s:

Keith Hennessey, Director of the National Economic Council under George W. Bush gives the deal a qualified thumbs up.

Let’s look at where the deficit increases in this bill come from.

All figures are from CBO and JCT, are relative to current law and are 10-year totals:

* Prevent income tax rate increases ($408 B)
* Prevent AMT increase next year ($137 B)
* Prevent estate tax from returning to $1M exemption and 55% rate in 2011 ($68 B)
* 2% payroll tax holiday ($226 B)
* Temporarily extend business expensing provisions ($22 B)
* Extend unemployment insurance ($57 B) and
* Grab bag of tax “extenders” ($55 B).

I think I just have different policy preferences than Mr. Limbaugh on this one.

I strongly support $613 B of the above policies – the first three.

While the bill would be better without these (or with the unemployment benefits offset), I’m happy to accept the following policies in a package:

* the half of the 2% payroll tax holiday that’s actually a tax cut, which increases the deficit by $112 B;
* extending unemployment insurance, for $57 B;
* extending the business expensing provisions for $22 B.

I’d prefer to drop the business expensing provisions ($22 B), and the other half (the “refundable” part that is just an entitlement payment in disguise) of the payroll tax provision ($114 B), and I could easily cut the tax extenders at least in half if you let me ($28 B).

If I tally “things I really like” and “things I can accept” and compare them to “things I don’t like,” the numbers look good to me. Not great, mind you, but good. And for a divided government this looks to me like a great deal.

There’s a more point by point rebuttal to the conservative critique of the deal at the link.

One part of the equation I think Hennessey leaves out is a lot of the stuff he (and most conservatives don’t like) were going to pass anyway. The Republicans have caved several times in the last two years on deficit spending for unemployment insurance, there’s no reason to think they wouldn’t have again, especially less than two weeks before Christmas.

Also, if Conservatives don’t like that it’s a temporary cut and not a permanent one, I really need it explained to me how Republicans were supposed to get a better deal out of Democratic Congress and President than they were able to get 10 years ago with a Republican Congress and President. The math there is a bit fuzzy to me.

People can call these guys cowards all they want, but Republicans have been campaigning for years to keep these tax cuts going, if they had not managed to make that happen, people would have been a lot more upset. Right now almost 70% of the country is backing this, remember what happened to Democrats when they ignored what the public wanted.

Guys like Limbaugh can say what they want, they don’t actually have to vote or be responsible for the policy. They like controversy and anger, it helps with ratings and it keeps people tuning in. But it is not the same thing as actually running things.

Terrye on December 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM

The press conference will be like a Russian matryoshka doll. Barry opens up to reveal Clinton, Clinton opens up to reveal Jimmy Carter, and Carter opens up to reveal FDR.

Vashta.Nerada on December 13, 2010 at 6:00 PM

I must be too optimistic. I feel like there will be some corrections made after the seating of the new Congress.

Cindy Munford on December 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Tingles is drooling & pi$$ING all over himself over the Zero-Bubba presser to wrap up his sucky little show.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Let’s take what we can get now, and then fix what we can later, like that ethanol BS.

toliver on December 13, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Once the Republican’s take over the House in January, can they take that crap out? Defund it?

Knucklehead on December 13, 2010 at 5:30 PM

Exactly, and explain/educate why corn ethanol sucks.

toliver on December 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

Cindy Munford on December 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

I’m with you, darlin’
I got me some Reagan optimism feevah.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 6:02 PM

Remind me again why we want this to fail? I can’t afford for my taxes to go up on January 1st, and neither can most people.

amerpundit on December 13, 2010 at 5:41 PM

I, for one, restructured my finances in anticipation of the tax increases, so I am willing to let the clock expire, and get a better deal in January. I can promise you that the tax increases will be eliminated shortly after the new congress takes over, whether this particular bill passes or not.

Vashta.Nerada on December 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM

69% of American’s like their pork.

Crickets to the Tea Party. Did they go on vacation?

Knucklehead on December 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM

B-B-B-BUT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SUPPORT THE TEA PARTY AND THEIR IDEAS!1!!!! :-(

NoStoppingUs on December 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Let’s take what we can get now, and then fix what we can later, like that ethanol BS.

toliver

You mean like those other things we fixed later like abortion, medicare, medicaid, social security, farm subsidies, banning of light bulbs, etc, etc……

xblade on December 13, 2010 at 6:09 PM

Exactly, and explain/educate why corn ethanol sucks.

toliver on December 13, 2010 at 6:01 PM

I don’t think the Republican’s will go against Chuck Grassley, the king of corn ethanol. Grassley has it smeared all over his website on how hard he fought for it. Or will they?

Sigh……

Knucklehead on December 13, 2010 at 6:10 PM

Remind me again why we want this to fail? I can’t afford for my taxes to go up on January 1st, and neither can most people.

amerpundit

Remind me again why we through the bums out in November?

xblade on December 13, 2010 at 6:12 PM

Oh boy, it seems that The One is going to have a press conference about this… will he snap at people? Will Jimmy Carter be dragged out? Will he answer a question about the healthcare ruling and go totally off-script? Can we hope to see another Obama train wreck?

Wineaholic on December 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Nah,Axe is under the podium with a gun to the won’s nuts. “DO NOT GO OFF SCRIPT”

katy the mean old lady on December 13, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Remind me again why we through the bums out in November?

xblade on December 13, 2010 at 6:12 PM

They’re not “out” yet…

Khun Joe on December 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM

This is just for cloture, which means they still must have a final real vote on this, correct?

Will votes flip on the real deal?

dogsoldier on December 13, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Look at the Democrats supporting tax cuts for the rich fat cats HAHAHAHAHAHA!

WisCon on December 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Yup…because they themselves are rich, and will benefit.

capejasmine on December 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Is anyone even going to get a chance to read it…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM

hmmmmm…

cmsinaz on December 13, 2010 at 6:24 PM

I’m with you, darlin’
I got me some Reagan optimism feevah.

OmahaConservative on December 13, 2010 at 6:02 PM

I sure hope so

cmsinaz on December 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM

i get a little eeyorish about all this…

cmsinaz on December 13, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Guys like Limbaugh can say what they want, they don’t actually have to vote or be responsible for the policy. They like controversy and anger, it helps with ratings and it keeps people tuning in. But it is not the same thing as actually running things.

Terrye on December 13, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Not necessarily. I’m all for getting the best deal possible, and this deal may be it, for all the reasons you’ve given. Whether or not to hold out for more depends on one thing: do you think you can get more.

tom on December 13, 2010 at 7:53 PM

NoStoppingUs on December 13, 2010 at 5:03 PM

Decaf!

hawkdriver on December 13, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Not looking so grand at the moment.

I see Obumbles is being his usual self…

Dark-Star on December 13, 2010 at 8:10 PM

I knew it would pass. What I’m most scared about is that now the Senate RINOs are freed up to vote for all the other stuff like DREAM Act, START, etc. Buckle your seatbelts, now it’s going to get really ugly.

Missy on December 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM

Indeed. DREAM is the real “compromise” here. I cannot believe how many supposedly smart conservatives don’t see this.

Bye bye USA, nice knowing ya.

angryed on December 13, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Yes, the DREAM nightmare will be this year’s Christmas Eve push by the democratics.

slickwillie2001 on December 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Heh, that didn’t take long! Zero just trashed the Repubs. AGAIN! NEVER trust Oslime.

SUCKAS! BOHICA.

mossberg500 on December 14, 2010 at 1:22 AM