Breaking: House Democrats vote to table Obama’s tax cuts bill; Update: Pelosi’s office demands changes; Update: WH to force Pelosi’s hand? Update: It’ll pass, says Barney Frank
posted at 12:15 pm on December 9, 2010 by Allahpundit
Biden told them last night in a meeting that no changes would be made, so they could either take it or leave it. Verdict: Leave it.
Defying President Obama, House Democrats voted Thursday not to bring up the tax package that he negotiated with Republicans in its current form.
“This message today is very simple: That in the form that it was negotiated, it is not acceptable to the House Democratic caucus. It’s as simple as that,” said Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen.
“We will continue to try and work with the White House and our Republican colleagues to try and make sure we do something right for the economy and right for jobs, and a balanced package as we go forward,” he said…
The vote also come less than an hour after Obama himself urged Congress to pass the compromise he struck with GOP leaders earlier this week and warned that failing to do it could cost jobs.
According to the Hill, it’s the estate tax rate that’s the sticking point, not the income tax rate extension for the wealthy. As humiliating as it is to have his own caucus flip him the bird, though, I’m not sure this is so terrible for The One. It depends on whether Pelosi follows the caucus’s wishes and refuses to bring the deal to the floor or whether, as the Daily Caller claims, this is a symbolic gesture by House progressives aimed at showing Obama how badly they want changes. If Pelosi holds a vote on it anyway, the bill would likely still pass thanks to a coalition of Blue Dogs and Republicans, which in turn would give Obama both a legislative victory and a little bipartisan juice that he needs for 2012. In fact, I wonder if there’s an element of kabuki to it, with Pelosi urging her allies to vote no on the proposal in the caucus meeting to generate some political cover knowing full well that she intends to bring it to the floor anyway.
Still, it’s always jolly fun to see Democrats arguing in public. If my read on this feels like a bit of a buzzkill, no worries: Read this excellent Sean Trende piece making the case for why the deal is a political loser for Obama long-term. Clinton could get away with triangulation in the 90s because the lefty base at the time thought conservatism was still going strong and were reluctant to weaken him by opposing him. They don’t believe that anymore — last month’s results notwithstanding — so they may be willing to take chances with The One that they wouldn’t have dared take 15 years ago. Today’s caucus vote might be an early indicator of that. Long live the myth of the Great Liberal Realignment!
Update: Uh oh — looks like this is more than mere symbolism after all. Your move, Barry.
Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said that “this means we will not bring this [agreement] to the floor as is. It has to be changed.”
Daly would not outline what revisions House Democrats specifically are seeking, but he did say that Pelosi would stand by today’s caucus resolution…
Asked whether Pelosi would bring up the package over the objections of her Democratic colleagues, Miller suggested that wouldn’t happen without further consultions with rank-and-file lawmakers.
That last bit sounds like there’s at least a slim chance that she’ll bring the bill to the floor as is, but her spokesman sounds adamant. Oh well — looks like instead of being one of the last bills of the Pelosi Congress, it’ll be one of the first of the Boehner Congress. Have fun explaining to Americans why a deal blessed by a Democratic president and a Republican congressional leadership can’t be done before New Year’s, liberals.
Update: Meanwhile, a day after Larry Summers warned of a double-dip recession if the deal fails, Obama ups the economic ante:
“The average American family will start 2011 knowing that there will be more money to pay the bills each month, more money to pay for tuition, more money to raise their children,” Obama said from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, “But if this framework fails, the reverse is true. Americans would see it in smaller paychecks that would have the effect of fewer jobs. So as we meet here today to talk about one important facet of our economic strategy for the future, I urge members of Congress to move forward on this essential priority.”
Pelosi’s going to let the tax cuts lapse with that quote, from her own party’s leader, hanging over her head? Please.
Update: Man, this just gets better and better. From CNN’s Ed Henry:
Senior Dem adviser to WH tells me strategy now: Sen Dems use another bill already passed by House, add new tax deal, send back to House
Dem adviser says then WH would try to “jam the House” and have Pelosi vote on updated bill — but will Pelosi be jammed?
Can she afford to cave after having her bluff called that way? Remember, her big selling point to the (even more liberal) caucus in running for minority leader was that she’d stand up to Obama and keep him honest when it comes to defending progressive principles.
Update: Evidently Barney’s not as convinced of Pelosi’s resolve as her own spokesman is. Quote:
“I still think it’s going to go through—why do you think it isn’t?” Frank said in a Thursday interview outside the caucus meeting. “I always knew a majority of Democrats would be against it. I still think they have the votes for it, yeah.” He added that House Democrats simply lacked the ability to have a major impact on the legislation: “I think the notion that the caucus controls legislation is not a good one.”
Frank emphasized that he still opposed the tax-cut bargain but nevertheless thought a vote should be held on the tax package as it currently stands. Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have to decide herself whether to bring the legislation to a vote on the House floor—a decision that many House Dems at the caucus meeting suggested was up in the air. But Frank was convinced that Pelosi would bring the president’s tax deal forward: “I think she will have to, yeah.”
Yeah.









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Estate taxes are a tax on wealth, the retained wealth of the deceased, and not on income. A tax on the already taxed wealth one has accumulated over their life time. I find it to be an evil tax, a tax only Democrats would endorse, because they want equality of outcomes, for all but themselves.
Dasher on December 9, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Who would have believed we would be looking at rule by Congress when Obama was elected? This is really weird.
Even his signature “health nationalization” bill was really written by a bunck of nameless staffers working not for him but for Congress.
No wonder he plays golf all the time.
MTF on December 9, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Yes
WisRich on December 9, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Merry taX-mass.
fourdeucer on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 PM
I’d trade O-Care for the Bush Tax Cuts. Hell I’d trade it for the Reagan tax cuts.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 PM
It will come too late. Anyone concerned about paying increased taxes is already yanking their money out of the market.
The rest will do so by December 15th. That’s the cutoff day.
Pelosi and company just flipped off the entire country.
dogsoldier on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 PM
If this Obama negotiated deal is rotten, what about
START?
Copenhagen?
tomg51 on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 PM
I would like to welcome Obama to the club of those of us who think Pelosi’s a [expletive deleted].
Sorry, had to self-edit there. If I posted the word I wanted, I would quite probably get banned.
Vyce on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Good? Have you gone mad? We’re going to at least start the next year with the largest tax increase in history! I’m sorry, but this is not what we need. Almost as bad as that, businesses will not be able to plan on what the real tax rates will end up being next year and so will continue to hold off on expansion and hiring.
I know that there are some who consider political payback or blowback or whatever to be worth the price, but I am in favor of AMERICA and AMERICANS doing well. I do not wish to see misery perpetuated just so my preferred pols have a better chance of being elected.
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Maybe this is all a “conspiracy”. What’s Jess Ventura doing right now?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM
At this point Republicans should make a motion to adjourn until Jan 3, 2011.
Dasher on December 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM
They’ve been doing this since 2007.
Why stop now, when they’ve got nothing to lose?
Good Lt on December 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Glad I don’t work in payroll!
scalleywag on December 9, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Once again, Democrats in Congress marching in lockstep to the Pelosi Drumbeat prove they could care less what the will of the American people is. The only thing they give a hoot about is pushing their own warped agenda of Tax and Spend/Spend and Tax/Blame The Republicans For The Lousy Economy/Repeat.
pilamaye on December 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I’m also willing to let my taxes go up for a time next year while the GOP passes a more conservative bill and FORCE The One to veto it. It will destroy him not only w/ his own party, but will weaken him so much it would lead to a GOP landslide in 2012.
davek70 on December 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM
WOWZER!!!!
Looks like they fell short on the BADDREAM ACT. And now Nazi Pelozi is balking on the TAX “CUTS”.
Hey GOP I thought you weren’t going along on anything until the Bush rate extension got voted on……WHA HAPPENED?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101209/ap_on_go_co/us_immigration_students
ADJORN!!!!!
PappyD61 on December 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Pelosi please don’t pass it. Shoo Obama away. Pleeeeeeeease.
antisocial on December 9, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Anyone who thinks that the stock market (fund managers, professional/private investors ect.) is going to sit and wait on a promise from DC is delusional. Would you bet trillions of dollars on Obama and the GOP passing tax cuts after they automatically go up on Jan 1st? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.
If this fails to pass, it’s going to be up to the GOP to write the next tax cuts. They will not, and shouldn’t have to, be the same as they are now. Why the hell would anyone that is savvy enough to make money in the stock market trust anyone in DC to get it right?
Mord on December 9, 2010 at 12:53 PM
We should hold them to their pledge to disallow a single piece of legislation from moving forward until the Bush tax rates are extended.
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Worth the move to the next page.
portlandon on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Take a deep breath. One way or another the rates will be extended. This so-called compromise was idiotic. The GOP gave away everything when it didn’t have to give away a thing.
As people start getting their first paychecks in Jan and seeing all the extra tax withheld they will be mad as well. I guarantee you, by Jan 30th at the very latest, Obama will have signed into law the extension without the extra welfare spending.
Pelosi is doing us a huge favor.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Maybe this is all a “conspiracy”. What’s Jess Ventura doing right now?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 9, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Don’t you DARE encourage them. LoL
annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Godd let the deal fall apart it sucks anyhow. then come Jan come back with Reagan tax cuts…
unseen on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Point of order: January 20, 2013 would be a better date.
turfmann on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM
I just KNOW Barry Soter.. Uhm, I mean Barack Obama is just sitting in the Oval Office chair thinking “I wonder what Sarah Palin’s gonna do with this next year? DAM!”
44Magnum on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong – but doesn’t the current proposal, as it stands, reduce SS Tax down to 4.2%? This could mean up to an additional ~$4300/working couple in the next year.
jwehman on December 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM
I always find it funny when dems take conservative ideas (we need this tax cut so you keep more of your money) and couch them in the terms of the left (it’s for the children, etc).
WitchDoctor on December 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Shouldn’t the title of this post be relabeled “House Democrats Vote ‘Nyet’ on Extending Tax Rates”?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM
BTW for all of you freaking out because the stock market will plummet….it’s barely budged on the news. People in the know, know that tax rates won’t go up in 2011…see my post above why.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM
You are a lot smarter then the donks are. This would be a good strategy. However, Barry is not a reasonable man and this is not a strategy. This is the progressive fantasy exposed on a grand scale. The dems are imploding and Barry will melt down on the national stage before long if he is called out publicly by the wicked witch of the west. It will be AWESOME to watch his presidency end. Not sure this will be the match but the fuse is there and it is just a matter of time.
DeweyWins on December 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM
About 2 years ago our family hired a nanny. She was expensive but seemed worth it in the beginning. I paid most of her salary because I made the most money. My wife also earned a paycheck and had to devote part of it to the nanny. My son, the teenager did chores and I paid him, so we asked him to give a small amount also. The 2 youngest kids did not work so they contributed nothing; in fact they got an allowance.
At first she had limited responsibilities but over the years we gave her more and more to do. We even gave her control of our finances, bank accounts and credit cards. She hired a tutor for the kids, a cook, a gardener, a psychologist, a nutritionist, and other full time contractors. She hired a security company and prioritized their work. One concern I have is that she had the back door removed and coyotes sometimes get in. She actually feeds them and gives them my money. I fear that even more dangerous creatures could enter my house but she says I am racist for thinking that. She threatened to take me to court if I tried to block the door. She decided what we ate, when the lights could be turned on, what kind of toilet we could have, and stuff like that. And I gave her full control over the house remodeling.
The problem is she started spending way too much. She maxed out all my credit cards, spent all the money I had saved for retirement and even borrowed large sums of money from loan sharks and the Chinese mafia. She was spending it on stuff I didn’t even want. She paid contractors to pain and repaint, to carpet and re-carpet. She even had a stairway built that went nowhere. She began with a salary that was 35% of the family income but now she is spending over 45% annually. I had told her to put aside some money into a lock box I owned to save for emergencies but she spent all of that and put IOUs in the box instead.
But my biggest concern is the amount of debt she has accumulated and how this will affect my retirement and my credit rating. The nanny says I should not worry because she has taken out 100 year loans and my kids and grand-kids can pay it when they grow up.
I have talked to my friends about this and many of them say that I need to get that debt down. Some suggest that I give even more of my money to the nanny so she can pay down the debt. I fear that she will just spend it on more stuff I don’t need. And if I give her any more of my pay I will not be able to compensate my son for the chores he does. Other friends say that I should force her to trim the budget and to stop spending so much. My younger kids are against that because she buys them a lot of toys and gives them money for stuff, without requiring them to do chores for it. They are afraid that if I give her less, they will get less or maybe have to work. The nanny herself says she can’t afford to let me keep more of my money.
What should I do?
pappy on December 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM
You are only considering income taxes. Yearend planning and capital gains taxes and estate taxes will be hugely impacted by a failure to do anything til after the first of the year.
txmomof6 on December 9, 2010 at 12:58 PM
I don’t buy it. Remember, as convincing as the election was, the Republicans only won control of 1 chamber of Congress. The Dems still control the Senate and the WH and have shown that they don’t give a flying jump what the rest of the country thinks (Obamacare anyone?). No, even though Bambi called the R’s terrorists, we know who the suicide bombers on Capital Hill are and the Donkeys are proving it once again. They are more than happy to blow up the whole country if it means that they get to impose their twisted ideas of “fairness” and “justice” on the nation.
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 12:58 PM
I am pretty sure that the rates will be continued. We just get another chance at negotiations. Hopefully with better results then what was in this compromise.
I do understand that the uncertainty is going to continue until this gets done.
Electrongod on December 9, 2010 at 12:58 PM
Yeah you’re right. To me SS tax is not an income tax so I don’t consider that temporary reduction a “tax cut”. But yes, point taken. And $4300 is assuming that combined the working couple makes $215,000 a year.
The median income per household is $48K which works out to $960. Not chump change, but not exactly a life altering amount of money either.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 12:58 PM
jwehman on December 9, 2010 at 12:55 PM
yeap the only good thing in the entire bill and to think Obama proposed it. It’s sad when the marxist one ups the GOP on tax cuts isn’t it?
Our GOP leadership are out of ideas, they are focued on “what is doable” instead of aiming high and going for the brass ring they make the safe play. I hate the GOp leadership…bunch of girly men.
unseen on December 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM
What is December 15 a cutoff date for the market to sell for tax reasons this year? I don’t understand this.
karenhasfreedom on December 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM
I’m having a Beer Summit……at my computer. Can someone pass the popcorn?
D@mn you, Ed Henry, for mentioning “Pelosi” and “jammed” in the same sentence. *takes another swig o’ beer*
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Check out the second update above:
This is a battle of power. If this happens Pelosi will be absolutely livid.
INC on December 9, 2010 at 12:59 PM
How do you “Jam the House”? Can Pelosi prevent this?
WisRich on December 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM
Pelosi’s demand is probably that she get to keep her military jet for commuting between DC and SanFran.
DaydreamBeliever on December 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM
Look if your party believes tax cuts are the way to increase economic activity then push for tax cuts not the status quo.
I think the GOp establishment think massive tax cuts are vodoo economics.
I miss Reagan…
unseen on December 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Someone quick get Weiner and Grayson, together, in front of a camera. Stat. I’d love to hear what they have to say since they are the voices of reason (/heavy sarc).
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Obviously, this is all Boooooosh’s fault: his tax cuts, booby-trapped to blow up on the next Administration.
Almost as though HE KNEW ALL ALONG how his lovely parting gift would play. (Soundtrack: Theme to Twilight Zone.) Love it.
It’s like a multiple choice question with only one check box: “Yes, I am a tax-and-spend lib.”
VastRightWingConspirator on December 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I think that it is the last day of the year the Congress is in session.
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I think you’re wrong. Everyone I know is making plans to cash out. You might not see it today, but the closer we get the 15th, I think the stock will drop big time.
Knucklehead on December 9, 2010 at 1:02 PM
I don’t think it will, again, because the tax rates will stay the same. Worst case scenario I see is tax rates go up for a few weeks but are retroactively lowered back to Jan 1.
There is no way in hell Obama is letting a tax increase happen.
As far as estate tax planning, only plan is do we off Grandpa before Dec 31? Seriously, what else can you plan for? And no matter what, estate tax is not going to be 0% next year. It will be 35% or 55%. In either case, the planning between now and Dec 31 won’t change due to that.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Had to rub it in, did you? :D
beancounter on December 9, 2010 at 1:02 PM
She will also become a weakened Minority Leader. She might even be replaced in January when the new Congress is seated.
Conspiracy to get her out of leadership? Come on, Jesse. I know you’re out there.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM
The way I understand it is that after the 15th, trading volume is so light that mutual funds, hedge funds, etcs. can’t get in or out of positions without loosing their shirt.
WisRich on December 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM
hahaha. good analogy!
scalleywag on December 9, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Pelosi and the long time dems are looking past Obama at this point. I think they might have come to the realization that there is a good point that Obama will be a one termer. Pelosi and the Democrat “lifers” are trying to save their party, not the country.
portlandon on December 9, 2010 at 1:05 PM
I do so love straightforward, honest, transparent government.
Anyone know where we can find one?
AnonymousDrivel on December 9, 2010 at 1:05 PM
It is the uncertainty that is the problem. Do you sell this year or not, based on what you think Congress will do in January and that Obama will sign. Gonna be some tough calls.
txmomof6 on December 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Let me get this straight… we’re gleeful that millions of people are in danger of getting hammered hard economically because it might damage the president? I’ll tell you what–If the president gets any attaboys for doing this it will be because he deserves them for (finally) doing something right. I’m one of those millions who will take the hit, as many of you are. It isn’t a game.
Immolate on December 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM
The cap gains rate went form 20 to 28% on Jan 1, 2007. Markets didn’t crash on Dec 15, 2006. And they won’t crash on Dec 15 this year either. I swear it’s like I’m on HuffPo or Kos here and reading about how the world will end if Republicans win an election. A few people might sell to get their lower rate. It won’t be enough to make a difference in a multi-trillion dollar stock market.
Calm down everyone.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM
What needs to happen is a deadlocked non-vote for this!
We need a new congress, in the first week of January, to put together a simplified tax bill, a simple 3 tiered one, similar to the one from that deficit commission, with no deductions. Then make that the new tax bill for the Democrats to sit and argue with. By having so little of it to even look at, the debate should be very short.
Within a month there will be so many people just happy to see a clear direction the enthusiasm would overwhelm the turmoil of such a change in direction!
Freddy on December 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Oops meant to say 1987 and 1986 not 2007 and 2006.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM
No kidding and my employer is going to get hit hard too if disposable income goes down.
People’s lives are beholden to this decision. This is the very definition of Russian Roulette.
gophergirl on December 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Immolate on December 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Thank you!
annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM
If things weren’t still so rocky – I think people would be a lot more relaxed.
Everything this administration has done has screwed the pooch so to say.
gophergirl on December 9, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Well didn’t the Yankee’s owner die this year and have a multi billion dollar estate that escaped death taxes? That was some terrific timing on his part.
karenhasfreedom on December 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM
if this does not pass, Come January, when the GOP controls the House, the new bill be made retrocative, top tax rate will be 31% , death tax will be 25%, capital gains will be lowert, and for their own survival, the dems in the senate will pass the bill and then obama decide whether or not to signit or face oblivion in 2012 along with the rest of the dems
ConservativePartyNow on December 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Right now the Democrats are imploding in public. Why should Republicans get in the way of that? Just let them continue to fire at each other in their self-made circular firing squad and clean up the mess in 2011.
JonPrichard on December 9, 2010 at 12:38 PM
How so? The Republicans are allowing Obama to look like a centrist with this deal. I say up the ante. If he really gives a rat’s arse about the “middle class”, make him prove it. Demand MORE tax cuts for the middle while making permanent all the other cuts. The Republicans are blowing a perfect opportunity to make Obama put his money where his mouth is.
Redneck Woman on December 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM
You are absolutely right, and maybe now Americans will realize that they cannot ignore what Congress is doing because they can end up as collateral damage when only “the despised top 2%” are targeted. Noone should be targeted. Ever.
txmomof6 on December 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Sarbanes-Oxley earnings reporting cut-off date. Another wonderful, magical, goliath of legislation.
ConservativeLawStudent on December 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Ugh. See you’re worrying about something you don’t even understand.
12/15 is the date when stock options expire. Has nothing to do with trading volume or mutual funds.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Entertaining! ….and I hope it craters. The GOP can do better next month when the 112th convenes.
james23 on December 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM
My org has deadlines so far in advance we’ll probably get a temporary tax hike no matter what happens. I imagine many companies would be the same.
scalleywag on December 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM
That would be the 17th (3rd Friday of the month) at least for monthly options. I know, as I like to think of it as payday when my monthly covered calls expire :-)
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM
PBHO won’t get so much as a golf clap from me. This is a game to him and he is only doing it to save his own hide; if you believe he WANTS to lower any taxes or give the GOP anything beyond a big F.U. then you need to have your skull trepanned.
Attaboys for a criminal who has been doing his level best to tear down everything this nations stands for? Blah, he deserves nothing but contempt.
Bishop on December 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM
I didn’t know profanity was allowed on this site (SOX, or as my wife compares it to SARS). I have dealt with SOX and it is the one of worst piece of legislation ever passed
ConservativePartyNow on December 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Of course, I could be wrong as well…
ConservativeLawStudent on December 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Not to quibble, but I think CG rates will go up from 15% to the highest marginal rate for the taxpayer that existed pre Bush cuts, which could be 39.5 for some. That is a much bigger jump than 20 to 28. I could be wrong, but I read that somewhere this past summer.
txmomof6 on December 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Can’t resist this jab at SanFranNan:
Will Piglosi crack face or not?
Branch Rickey on December 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Ditto on that – what we have to do is insane to be in compliance.
gophergirl on December 9, 2010 at 1:15 PM
It turned what was 15 minutes of work trying to get a quote for a simple engineering change into a 4-hour debacle. The effect that thing has had on business is unmeasurable. Awful.
ConservativeLawStudent on December 9, 2010 at 1:16 PM
And say tax rates go up for a month or two in 2011. It’s not like accountants all over the land will be staying up all night recalculating numbers. All that will happen is a few numbers will be changed in spreadsheets and tax accounting software. And voila, paycheck withholding will increase.
I also don’t buy the argument that businesses won’t hire because of this. If a business needs extra people it needs extra people. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Whether tax rates are up for a week or two won’t change that.
Obviously a permanent tax increase will cause businesses to not need people because the economy will be hurt. But on a micro basis, businesses will hire and fire at the same rate whether the tax cuts are extended today or a month from now.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:16 PM
nan and crew will cave at the 11th hour….just wait and see…
cmsinaz on December 9, 2010 at 1:17 PM
For some reason, the press and the Democrats thought it was a good notion when the health care boondoggle was rammed down our throats.
Huh.
Good Lt on December 9, 2010 at 1:17 PM
They estimated it would cost our company @ $80K to implement in 6 months. It cost us $5Million to implement
ConservativePartyNow on December 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM
And just how will businesses know that the new massive increase will not be permanent? And just what rates will be in place after the next go around if it is needed? Will estate and capital gains taxes and social security caps be changed when they draft a new bill? Just what crystal ball should they use to answer these questions?
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM
The 16th is when settled index options stop trading. So if you want to do anything of significance you’re likely to do it on the 15th. You’re right 17th is the big expiration day.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM
I disagree with this point. I have done business with many businesses whose staff is simply overworked. The work is there to be done, but the burden on the bottom line is too great, so that work just gets piled on the backs of the current staff, or gets dropped altogether.
ConservativeLawStudent on December 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Because businesses can think critically and understand that it would be po9litical suicide for Obama to allow that to happen.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Obama. Honest. Since when?
GrannyDee on December 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM
I don’t think so. I thought the capital gains was going from 15% to 20% or 28%. 39.5% is what I used to pay on my annual income before the Bush tax cuts.
Anyone?
Knucklehead on December 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Thanks scally, I wish the dems could come up with an analogy that would help me understand where they’re coming from.
pappy on December 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM
And these businesses will magically hire people because Obama signs a bill? Come on. These businesses are not overworking their employees because tax rates may increase for a week or two.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Many would say that it’s political suicide for him to allow this year to end without settling the matter. So if he does now, what makes it any more likely to happen later?
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:24 PM
AWW man!! They are voting NO because there is a black man in the white house!!! It is racism straight up!!
shar61 on December 9, 2010 at 1:24 PM
As Insty might say, “They said if I voted for John McCain we’d see nasty showdowns on taxes between the President and the progressive democrats in the House, and they were right!”
Pablo Snooze on December 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Again, people are worried over issues that don’t exist. Cap gains is going from 15 to 20% for assets held less than 5 years and 18% for assets held more than 5 years.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM
No, I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure that the Donkeys have tried to compose legislation to tax capital gains just like earned income, but the Bush tax cuts did not create the distinction.
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Take a long term investor who has $1M in capital gains on the table. You think he’s really going to sell now so he can save 3% in long term capital gains? And do what with that money? Put it in a 0.01% checking account instead? Not happening folks. There will be no great stock market crash of 2010.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM
YEAH! Reminder: YOU LOST!
GarandFan on December 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM
What is worse, I think they are expanding this horror to now have even more stuff added to the audit process to make it just a nightmare. The audit costs for a modest, new public company is clost to 100K per year. Insane. This does not include the CFO expertise the company has to hire to prepare the financials and notes, and does not include the attorneys who are experts in SEC stuff, soo. Nightmare. The nut to comply with all of this, all things considered, is about 300K per year, minimum, for a start up company that is newly public. That could pay for a handful of employees.
karenhasfreedom on December 9, 2010 at 1:29 PM
Believe what you will, but I find Art Laffer more credible than you. I’ve heard him make similar remarks many times on Kudlow.
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:30 PM
That last update link goes to a pretty awesome Glenn Beck clip!
scalleywag on December 9, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Are you married to Meg Whitman?
Steve Z on December 9, 2010 at 1:31 PM
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