Breaking: House Democrats vote to table Obama’s tax cuts bill; Update: Pelosi’s office demands changes; Update: WH to force Pelosi’s hand? Update: It’ll pass, says Barney Frank
posted at 12:15 pm on December 9, 2010 by Allahpundit
Biden told them last night in a meeting that no changes would be made, so they could either take it or leave it. Verdict: Leave it.
Defying President Obama, House Democrats voted Thursday not to bring up the tax package that he negotiated with Republicans in its current form.
“This message today is very simple: That in the form that it was negotiated, it is not acceptable to the House Democratic caucus. It’s as simple as that,” said Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen.
“We will continue to try and work with the White House and our Republican colleagues to try and make sure we do something right for the economy and right for jobs, and a balanced package as we go forward,” he said…
The vote also come less than an hour after Obama himself urged Congress to pass the compromise he struck with GOP leaders earlier this week and warned that failing to do it could cost jobs.
According to the Hill, it’s the estate tax rate that’s the sticking point, not the income tax rate extension for the wealthy. As humiliating as it is to have his own caucus flip him the bird, though, I’m not sure this is so terrible for The One. It depends on whether Pelosi follows the caucus’s wishes and refuses to bring the deal to the floor or whether, as the Daily Caller claims, this is a symbolic gesture by House progressives aimed at showing Obama how badly they want changes. If Pelosi holds a vote on it anyway, the bill would likely still pass thanks to a coalition of Blue Dogs and Republicans, which in turn would give Obama both a legislative victory and a little bipartisan juice that he needs for 2012. In fact, I wonder if there’s an element of kabuki to it, with Pelosi urging her allies to vote no on the proposal in the caucus meeting to generate some political cover knowing full well that she intends to bring it to the floor anyway.
Still, it’s always jolly fun to see Democrats arguing in public. If my read on this feels like a bit of a buzzkill, no worries: Read this excellent Sean Trende piece making the case for why the deal is a political loser for Obama long-term. Clinton could get away with triangulation in the 90s because the lefty base at the time thought conservatism was still going strong and were reluctant to weaken him by opposing him. They don’t believe that anymore — last month’s results notwithstanding — so they may be willing to take chances with The One that they wouldn’t have dared take 15 years ago. Today’s caucus vote might be an early indicator of that. Long live the myth of the Great Liberal Realignment!
Update: Uh oh — looks like this is more than mere symbolism after all. Your move, Barry.
Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said that “this means we will not bring this [agreement] to the floor as is. It has to be changed.”
Daly would not outline what revisions House Democrats specifically are seeking, but he did say that Pelosi would stand by today’s caucus resolution…
Asked whether Pelosi would bring up the package over the objections of her Democratic colleagues, Miller suggested that wouldn’t happen without further consultions with rank-and-file lawmakers.
That last bit sounds like there’s at least a slim chance that she’ll bring the bill to the floor as is, but her spokesman sounds adamant. Oh well — looks like instead of being one of the last bills of the Pelosi Congress, it’ll be one of the first of the Boehner Congress. Have fun explaining to Americans why a deal blessed by a Democratic president and a Republican congressional leadership can’t be done before New Year’s, liberals.
Update: Meanwhile, a day after Larry Summers warned of a double-dip recession if the deal fails, Obama ups the economic ante:
“The average American family will start 2011 knowing that there will be more money to pay the bills each month, more money to pay for tuition, more money to raise their children,” Obama said from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, “But if this framework fails, the reverse is true. Americans would see it in smaller paychecks that would have the effect of fewer jobs. So as we meet here today to talk about one important facet of our economic strategy for the future, I urge members of Congress to move forward on this essential priority.”
Pelosi’s going to let the tax cuts lapse with that quote, from her own party’s leader, hanging over her head? Please.
Update: Man, this just gets better and better. From CNN’s Ed Henry:
Senior Dem adviser to WH tells me strategy now: Sen Dems use another bill already passed by House, add new tax deal, send back to House
Dem adviser says then WH would try to “jam the House” and have Pelosi vote on updated bill — but will Pelosi be jammed?
Can she afford to cave after having her bluff called that way? Remember, her big selling point to the (even more liberal) caucus in running for minority leader was that she’d stand up to Obama and keep him honest when it comes to defending progressive principles.
Update: Evidently Barney’s not as convinced of Pelosi’s resolve as her own spokesman is. Quote:
“I still think it’s going to go through—why do you think it isn’t?” Frank said in a Thursday interview outside the caucus meeting. “I always knew a majority of Democrats would be against it. I still think they have the votes for it, yeah.” He added that House Democrats simply lacked the ability to have a major impact on the legislation: “I think the notion that the caucus controls legislation is not a good one.”
Frank emphasized that he still opposed the tax-cut bargain but nevertheless thought a vote should be held on the tax package as it currently stands. Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have to decide herself whether to bring the legislation to a vote on the House floor—a decision that many House Dems at the caucus meeting suggested was up in the air. But Frank was convinced that Pelosi would bring the president’s tax deal forward: “I think she will have to, yeah.”
Yeah.









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So they’re pissed because they didn’t get a say? How do you like being on the other side of the locked door?
ladyingray on December 9, 2010 at 1:32 PM
The bill hasn’t even been written yet. What’s to stop Pelosi from making it another 1800 page bill that has to pass to see what is in it.
If that witch doesn’t bring it up for a vote how can it pass Frank?
Ugh! these guys can make you insane.
Brat4life on December 9, 2010 at 1:33 PM
Businesses use capital to grow and expand. They won’t use capital that they reasonably believe will be required to pay for higher taxes or for regulatory burdens. If they don’t expand, they don’t hire. If they aren’t sure, they assume the worst. This is pretty basic stuff. Believing that businesses exist and make decisions in some self-contained economic vacuum is a bit odd.
Immolate on December 9, 2010 at 1:33 PM
Don’t let them push you around Nancy! Hold firm!
Rocks on December 9, 2010 at 1:33 PM
I’m going to avoid our payroll department for the rest of the month!
Oh crap! Our accounting department Christmas party is there next week…
ladyingray on December 9, 2010 at 1:36 PM
I’ve said this 4 or 5 times already. I will say it again and then I’m done.
Permanent tax increases hurt the economy. A tax increase for a few weeks don’t affect much of anything. Laffer is talking about the former not the latter.
Most people are smart enough to not freak out over a temporary increase that will be retroactively be changed to Jan 1.
This is like a Seinfeld episode. It’s a story about nothing, that so many people are turning into the end of the world.
Just remember when the tax rates are extended in Jan, there will be no addition of welfare benefits. If they are extended now there will be another $200B per year of additional welfare benefits. Which is a better deal? No additional welfare and 2 weeks of higher taxes? Or $200B more in spending yearly and 2 weeks of lower taxes? I think we all know the answer.
angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM
I am running out of popcorn..:)
Dire Straits on December 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM
I really don’t know how this will go – but my guess is …
Pelosi will NOT bring the bill to the floor without changes – because she’s beholden now to the very uber-leftists in the caucus who ensured her leadership position. You’ve now got an unc1vil war going on in the Democrat party – and someone has to be blamed for the cremation at the polls last month. If it’s left to Pelosi – that blame will go to Reid and Obama.
I think the leftists are like … “Hey, so what if the GOP can pass the bill first thing in January? Who cares? This is a good fight for principle and we can paint Reid and Obama as playthings of the GOP if they vote to support it.”
They only know one thing – scortched earth. That’s what lost ‘em the election and they didn’t learn – since their first action right after that was to reaffirm their support for Pelosi. They ain’t jumpin’ off this ship folks – they will sail it straight to the bottom!
HondaV65 on December 9, 2010 at 1:39 PM
What is the tax rate going to go to for dividends? I think it is awful that this close to the end of the year this is being debated and the general public is not aware of the impact this will have one way or the other. Congressional negligence.
txmomof6 on December 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Yes you did say it over and over. But you did not answer the questions I put to you.
1. How do you know that they will be extended in January? 2. You called it political suicide for Obama to not do so, but it would political suicide to let it go until January, so why do you trust him to do it then?
3. Since the Elephants only control 1 chamber of Congress, what makes you think that they will get any deal, let alone a better deal in January?
4. Even if your crystal ball says what you say is true, why should business leaders bet their businesses on your intuition instead of waiting to see what happens before making a big moves?
MJBrutus on December 9, 2010 at 1:42 PM
Something tells me that after Nanzis re-election, she thought she was elected President…not Representative. *sigh*
capejasmine on December 9, 2010 at 1:42 PM
haha… No unfortunately the nanny we have is legal.
pappy on December 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Now you’ve done it! I need a drink…
ladyingray on December 9, 2010 at 1:45 PM
That hike can mean all the difference in the world for those on fixed incomes, that may have some of their money invested, as part of their nest eggs. Or for those, who will need that money for hard times.
What makes anyone think the Government, who got us into this economic mess in the first place, is entitled to our money, to fix their screw ups, or support their wet dream acts?
capejasmine on December 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM
I concur with you – I guess – I would like to see the GOP extend the tax cuts retroactively in January and do so without all this other “wheelie-dealie” unemployment stuff included as a part of the deal.
So yeah – it would be cool if the GOP did that – I don’t think most Americans would be that harmed if their taxes increase the first part of January – but they get that money back at the end after the GOP has passed the extension.
My problem with that theory? Uhmm … I have NO FAITH that the GOP will do that without including the other stuff in the deal they just made with Obama. I mean – I wish John Boehner would come out and say … “Hey, the Democrats killed the deal we had with the President in December. Now that we’re in charge – we’re making no deals – so all this is going to be is an extension of the Bush tax cuts – and it’s going to be a permanent extension – and the President can veto that if he wants a double-dip recesssion”
Do I think JB has the BALZ to do that?
Nope.
HondaV65 on December 9, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Christmas is two weeks from Saturday. The president proposed legislation that the majority of Americans were happy with. The majority of Republicans were happy with it. If it passes without much delay, it will make this a much better holiday for a lot of folks. We can go back to cut-throat and hard-ball in January. We’re not talking about passing something that we wouldn’t wind up passing in January anyway, unless you’re one of those who think the GOP can get away with squashing the unemployment eligibility extension. You can make that argument, but I’m not buying it.
Immolate on December 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM
Maybe Obama will be a one-termer, but this would practically guarantee that Pelosi would remain Minority Leader (and not become Speaker again) after 2012. Pelosi and the libs lose 63 seats in the House, and they STILL DON’T GET IT, even when the Alinsky Socialist Obama has the smarts to cave to save his hide? Does Pelosi want 300 Republicans in the 2013 House?
If Pelosi and the Dems derail the “Obama compromise” in the House, Boehner & Co. should wait until about January 15 or so (when everybody has seen a reduced paycheck), then bring up the Obama compromise, EXACTLY as Obama proposed it, in the House, and blame the tax increases on Pelosi and the House Dems, and let McConnell twist the arms of Senate Dems up for re-election in 2012–he will only need 13 of them to overcome a filibuster in January.
The Republicans shouldn’t try to get more at that time, but pass EXACTLY what Obama proposed, because Obama wouldn’t dare veto what he himself proposed a month earlier.
Pelosi: Mirror, mirror on the wall,
Who’s the worst obstructionist of them all?
Steve Z on December 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM
She’ll bring it to the floor. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what her spokesman said.
bilups on December 9, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Huh? As many analysts have said on both sides of the aisle, elections have consequences. House Republicans are now dealing with the consequences of the 2008 election, and can’t FORCE much now, while Obama is AFRAID of the consequences of the 2010 election, which is why he caved now.
Next month, Republicans will control the House, but will still face a (smaller) Democrat majority in the Senate and a Democrat President, and don’t have a veto-proof majority anywhere. They can slam the brakes on Obama’s agenda by de-funding it, but they will need to twist some Democrat arms to get something positive done. They need to come out with policies that appeal to the right AND center, and convince Obama and Senate Democrats (especially those up for re-election in 2012) that opposing them would be political suicide.
You can’t get everything you want in a divided government. Let the debate of ideas begin, let’s get what we can now, then convince the voters to elect a Republican Senate and President in 2012–THEN we can shoot for the moon in 2013.
Steve Z on December 9, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Wow… so they’ll follow Obama and push Obamacare, but this bill is too much for them to consider?
They must have seen the Rasmussen polls showing over 50% of the nation supported this. I knew we should have pretended it was wildly unpopular and most people would support a repeal; then the Dems would have passed it without even reading it.
gekkobear on December 9, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Business as usual in Washington, DC.
chief on December 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM
I wonder if the OMB has estimated the effect on deficit if only Dems go back to Clinton era tax brackets.
Since they’re so damn set to pay more we should create a second tier on all brackets, representing the pre 2000 tax levels, and call it the DumbDem bracket.
They’ll FEEL better… until they have to tell their kids, wives or selves “NO” about something they really wanted.
A big fat NO, because “we’re sending that money to a family in Pacoima… so they could pay off their flat screen”.
Shivas Irons on December 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM
How is what Pelosi’s doing not like holding American people hostage?
scalleywag on December 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Y’all are looking at this the wrong way.
Every one voting on this thing has an estate. Pelosi has a $500M estate.
Rich people do not have income. They don’t need it.
percysunshine on December 9, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Oh, riiggght, they’re big bullies and Nancy’s a tiny victim lost amidst the mean, big bullies from the GOP, riiiggghtt.
Nancy Pelosi should be carved in stone as Hydra. The ‘lady’ with the head of vipers who, if even glanced upon, would turn the viewer into stone. Oh, but she’s turning people into stone because they’re all big bullies…
Lourdes on December 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Kabuki is correct. This “fight” is all staged. The audience is 2012 independent voters and the goal is to avoid another electoral bloodbath that would result in the 100% certain repeal of ObamaCare.
All of the Lefties screaming against this “deal” are from hard Left precincts where there’s no chance that they will be unseated by a “moderate” Dem or a Republican. Meanwhile, all of the Lefties supporting the deal are from more mixed districts where they could easily be defeated by a Republican in 2012 if they continue supporting the hard Left’s agenda.
If the tax cuts are allowed to expire, unemployment will cross the 10% mark before the Republican’s can even take over control of the House. Obama’s approval numbers would immediately drop 5% points and by next month, when every middle-class taxpayer in the country sees less money in their paychecks, he’d be down in the 20′s. That would represent the nail in the coffin of his re-election and 75% of the American public would wash their hands of the Dem party…no matter how “blue dog” the candidate.
Besides winning back the White House, which would be an absolute certainty, there would be a real chance that Republicans could achieve a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, thus giving them complete control over the federal govt. If that happens, Republicans will be able to do anything they like: repeal ObamaCare…restructure Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare…shutter the FCC…slash departmental budgets. Do any of you really believe that politicians as calculating as Obama, Reid, and Pelosi would actually risk letting that happen?
Of course not. They know that at the end of the day, the hard Left is going to vote for whatever Dem candidates the party puts forward. What other choice do they have? They’re not going to vote Republican. They’re not even going to vote Green or some other 3rd party because while they may be delusional, they’re not suicidal. They’ll know that any such vote will simply help to put more Republicans in office.
Pelosi will bring it up for a vote. I’ll bet my house on that.
rvastar on December 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Rich people do not have income. They don’t need it.
I guess you don’t need to prove home ownership to vote/drool here, eh?
I hope this helps.
Shivas Irons on December 9, 2010 at 2:30 PM
So, that makes the Democrats the terrorists that are holding the American people hostage now, right?
Socratease on December 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Let them dither. As long as the GOP holds to its promise of filibustering anything until a tax deal is done, this keeps all of the other liberal garbage off of the floor.
Vashta.Nerada on December 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Obtuse drool.
percysunshine on December 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM
So, that makes the Democrats the terrorists that are holding the American people hostage now, right?
And “we’re” not supposed to negotiate for hostages, per US dictum, pre Obamakittykat.
He stated the terms, we’re just following diplomatic precedent… and Barry’s always seen himself as the best dip in the world.
Shivas Irons on December 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM
I don’t inderstand why Republicans agreed to this compromise in the first place. It seems like they shot themselves in the foot with this bargain.
In the run up to the 2010 midterms Obama did everything in his power to paint the GOP as obstructionists and the party of no. With their votes, Americans sent a loud and clear message that they were all for obstructing the Obama-Reid-Pelosi agenda, and that the Federal government had to be reigned in.
Then the GOP turns around a couple weeks later and says that it will agree to 13 months of unemployment and a massive hike in the inheritence tax? WTF???
If Repubs were smart and had any balls, (I know… big IF) they would have said: No new welfare, no new taxes. We will come back in January and make the Bush tax rates permanent and dare Carter II to veto it.
bitsy on December 9, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Obtuse drool.
If that is description you prefer, cool por moi.
Shivas Irons on December 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Then the GOP turns around a couple weeks later and says that it will agree to 13 months of unemployment and a massive hike in the inheritence tax? WTF???
If the rive gauche of Dem brand wants to play around with heat, this is the fire we should lead with. It ought to heat up them Blue Dogs, eh?
Unemployment extension = Permanent Bush tax brackets AND estate tax.
Ballgame!
Shivas Irons on December 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM
bitsy on December 9, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Exactly! And the GOP could and should force even steeper tax cuts for the middle class. Force Obama to veto giving more of “those hard working middle class Americans” their money back.
But alas we have spineless weenies running the Republican party so I have very little hope they will do the right thing.
Redneck Woman on December 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM
The real problem here is that this is all discussed as if it were a chess match- which it realistically is. And this is why we are in the financial mess we’re in. Our leadership ( which means US for those of you who don’t recognize the obvious) has failed us by not putting the needs of our country first, and their desire to” win” second.
KMC1 on December 9, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Just got out of shower, where oftentimes my best thinking occurs, and this thought came to mind:
What percentage of responsible/thinking voters, who have actually lived and worked in America, really think that a 3rd year of unemployment benefits is good and/or necessary.
Conversely, what percentage of the voter described above believes that those going out beyond a year, or so, will likely become employed the day after benefits expire – or never?
Just askin’ so that others may gain perspective while being forced to use their own brains… which can be dangerous… for Dems…
Shivas Irons on December 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM
The very best hissy fits are always staged.
This entire thing has Drama Queens written all over it…
ajacksonian on December 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Progressives……… love to say they are not bound by old antiquated values like worship of a traditional “God”. They are right…..it’s not a traditional God…..but they are worshipping a God. The God of Government.
Ironically, it’s the same God that Marx worshipped.
PappyD61 on December 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I think the problem is the GOP is playing chess when this is really a boxing match.
In the 2010 midterms the GOP landed a nice jab-two right on the nose. Next, they should be following that up with a solid hook & uppercut combo and drop them to the mat. Instead, the GOP is standing there like a bunch of pansies, letting them get their balance back and make the next move! When your opponent is standing around dazed, you don’t hang back and let them get their balance … you close in and kill kill kill!
lower taxes, less spending, lower taxes, less spending, shrink the deficit, shrink the deficit, reform entitlements… 1,2,1,2,hook,hook,uppercut!!
bitsy on December 9, 2010 at 3:38 PM
This was a point I made to a liberal friend who pointed out the Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, etc all wanted to be taxed more! He was quite smug until I asked him which of those people were currently trying to build up a new business instead of sitting on their already gotten, previously taxed income? He couldn’t answer…
dominigan on December 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM
This is where the “extending the cuts” language instead of “preventing tax increases” language is going to bite the Dems big time. How many casual observers are thinking the same way as The One does here? How disappointed will they be when they find out that they’re not getting more money in their paycheck, they’re just getting the same amount as they got this year?
TheLoyalOpponent on December 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM
You might be correct. The private sector wasn’t a poisoned pool then, however. It is today, thanks to ODumbAss and the clown posse led by Betty Botox.
For the other poster who asked why the 15th is a magic date, thats the cutoff for capital gains. Some folks are predicting a large selloff before EOB on that day.
dogsoldier on December 9, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Guess the Blue Dog’s only like “Buy”-Partisanship!
chickasaw42 on December 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM
Another excuse to play this awesome song.
mizflame98 on December 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM
Damn! I shouldn’t have thrown away the drink and popcorn I had left over from the movies today.
madmonkphotog on December 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM
I’m at a loss here. Why does this have to be done before January? Can’t Congress pass a law which makes the changes retroactive to the new year? I doubt that counts as an “ex post facto” law, unless it penalizes someone — which this certainly does not. A week or two of “uncertainty” is certainly worth it to not have Pelosi at the reins determining what or what not to put into this?
Seems to me that the “lame duck” is lamer than ever at this point. Doesn’t look like anything will pass until after the new year.
unclesmrgol on December 9, 2010 at 4:25 PM
If I recall, they were taxed at the regular income rate before the Bush program. So, I guess they’ll revert to those rates.
BacaDog on December 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM
Great question! I’ve wondered this too.
Eren on December 9, 2010 at 4:45 PM
It is time we did away with Congress and used Thunder Dome!
First we run all the Socialists though to float their agenda, and the surviving ones we spay and neuter…
rgranger on December 9, 2010 at 5:09 PM
C’mon Nancy – what happened to “we’ve got to pass this bill to find out what’s in it”????/sarc……
huskerdiva on December 9, 2010 at 5:19 PM
Yes, I don’t remember the year, but there was a tax increase that was retroactive and it was upheld by the courts as I recall. One of the Bush era tax giveaways was also retroactive.
pedestrian on December 9, 2010 at 5:59 PM
For the 1st time in my 62 yrs I am worried about the economy.
I think the Republicans did the right thing by agreeing to extend unemployment benefits.there are too many variables to cut off so many peoples source of income. Before you could re mortgage your home to generate income, it’s real hard to do that now.
With unemployment at 5 to 6%, a person who was really looking could find a job. Now there are so many over qualified
people searching for work, it’s hard to make a career change with no experience.
With two wars going at the same time the economy should be robust or even semi robust,but its not.
BruceB on December 10, 2010 at 12:41 AM
It’s Kabuki Theater for the Fever Swamp Moonbat base of the party. The White House has already bought off enough members with a one-year extension of ethanol subsidies to ensure the votes to get the bill to the floor.
They don’t want to risk their looney-bin leftist donor base turning off and closing their checkbooks, so they toss out a little red meat to keep the jackals happy.
Adjoran on December 10, 2010 at 3:12 AM
“Meanwhile, a day after Larry Summers warned of a double-dip recession if the deal fails, ”
And this is relevant why? Because Summers predictions and advice have been so accurate and correct?
Look, I agree the economy is going to be hurt if taxes go up, but why would you use Summers predictions as any basis for an argument?
Over50 on December 10, 2010 at 3:05 PM
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