DREAM Act passes House, 216-198

posted at 10:13 pm on December 8, 2010 by Allahpundit

No surprise. In fact, I assume Reid postponed today’s Senate vote until tomorrow precisely so that he could pressure fencesitters by telling them they’re now in position to make the DREAM come true. 38 Democrats voted no with the GOP versus just eight Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote yes. The defectors:

Joe Cao (defeated in general election)
Mike Castle (defeated in primary)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (retiring)
Mario Diaz-Balart
Charles Djou (defeated in general election)
Vern Ehlers (retiring)
Bob Inglis (defeated in primary)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

If you’re looking to punish any of them with a primary, the pickings are slim.

Via Greg Hengler, here’s Democrat Jared Polis arguing in favor of recognizing the “de facto Americans” who are already here. Nothing about border security, natch.


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That’s pretty much the crux of your problem with the bill, isn’t it? It’d save a lot of time if you just came out and said so.

crr6 on December 9, 2010 at 12:31 AM

No! My grandfather came here legally. He was naturalized at 19.
My family played by the rules-so should everyone else!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 AM

It didn’t take either side long to forget what happened during the 2010 midterms.

The only thing that will save this country is a no-crap Conservative revival. Anything else will just be pandering to the Left.

hawkdriver on December 9, 2010 at 12:49 AM

I’m sure you’ve broken several without even knowing it.

crr6 on December 9, 2010 at 12:46 AM

Oh, illegal aliens don’t know they’re breaking laws, I see. Well, that’s certainly different then isn’t it.

hawkdriver on December 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM

Crr6, let me axe you one question. On a personal level, why is it so important, to you, to aid and abet the behavior of these people who come to the US illegally? Do you believe in open borders?

hawkdriver on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 AM

Crr6, let me axe you one question. On a personal level, why is it so important, to you, to aid and abet the behavior of these people who come to the US illegally? Do you believe in open borders?

hawkdriver on December 9, 2010 at 12:54 AM

You know the answer. Illegal = lifetime Dem voter. That’s the ONLY reason any of them support amnesty. If illegals voted 90% Republican, crr6 would be screaming about how it is imperative that border laws are enforced.

angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM

is ALL about securing a permanent leftist majority. Nothing else.
annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 12:24 AM

That’s pretty much the crux of your problem with the bill, isn’t it? It’d save a lot of time if you just came out and said so.

crr6 on December 9, 2010 at 12:31 AM

So you want a permanent leftist majority?

Examine its effects elsewhere.

Which leftist majority countries were successful?

Cuba?

Maoist China?

Pol Pot’s Cambodia?

Current socialist Burma (Myanmar)?

profitsbeard on December 9, 2010 at 1:15 AM

My neighborhood is crawling with Mexicans. The majority-at least the ones that understand English- are probably decent people…who are here illegally.
I’m tired of seeing everything in Spanish. I feel like I’m living in Pilsen(a heavily Mexican neighborhood of Chicago)
We shouldn’t have to assimilate to THEIR culture.
They need to come here legally and assimilate to OURS!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 1:17 AM

Well no, we don’t. All indications are that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.

crr6 on December 8, 2010 at 11:30 PM

You’re right. All the gang bangers in California prisons are native born, US citizens from Nebraska and North Dakota.

angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:20 AM

Good. America needs more citizens like Luis Perez.

crr6 on December 8, 2010 at 10:48 PM

Do we need more citizens like Ingmar Guandique? I can match you horror story for sob story as long as you want on this issue.

DFCtomm on December 9, 2010 at 1:25 AM

Is thing really going to happen? This is a travesty of justice! How can we reward law breaking instead of punishing it? How can a society survive if it’s laws mean nothing?

This is horrible.

petunia on December 9, 2010 at 1:26 AM

Is thing really going to happen? This is a travesty of justice! How can we reward law breaking instead of punishing it? How can a society survive if it’s laws mean nothing?

This is horrible.

petunia on December 9, 2010 at 1:26 AM

It can’t and it won’t.

DFCtomm on December 9, 2010 at 1:29 AM

Time to break out the tenth amendement again. We need to lobby our locals to demand that states opt out. If Obama can hand out waivers for his bills, we can certainly ask for waivers if ours. I wen to college for four years paying out of state tuition. Undergrad and Grad school left me with $36,000 in student loans that I have paid in full. While I was in college the university TRIPLED out of state tuition. Not some little 36% increase that has libiots at UCLA taking to the streets… I’m talking 300%. We didn’t like it, but we dealt with it or went elsewhere

Children of illegals being given a free pass is a bad thing. Sure, its not fair that their parents broke the law and they would have to pay for it by not getting instate tuition, but since when did Team Obama give a crap about the children paying for the mistakes of the parents?

cannonball on December 9, 2010 at 1:33 AM

I knew this would pass the senate 5 seconds after I read about the great tax cut compromise. Not only did Boehner/McCoonell give Obama 3 years of unemployment benefits, they also gave him DADT and DREAM.

angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:35 AM

angryed on December 9, 2010 at 1:35 AM

This could have passed the house every single day for the last two years, so it’s nothing new at the moment. It’s the senate that would have posed the problem. If it sails through the senate, then you’re right.

DFCtomm on December 9, 2010 at 1:40 AM

So you want a permanent leftist majority?

profitsbeard on December 9, 2010 at 1:15 AM

It’s crr6. I think his past posts would be a good indicator that that’s exactly what he wants.
_________________________________________

Back to business, what I want to know is why these 12 GOP House members didn’t vote AT ALL:

Griffith
Bilbray
Radanovich
Gingrey
Buyer
Stutzman
Blunt
Fallin
Marchant
McMorris Rodgers
Granger
Marchant

I think we need some answers from them. The yes votes are all obvious, no explanations needed from them.

Just as an aside, have I mentioned how glad I am Mike Castle’s been forced to retire lately?

Monday morning Castle quarterbacks, tell me again how much we really could have used him in the Senate.

C’mon, don’t be shy. You knew (or at least know it now) he’d be a Yes vote there too and would even stand with Harry to block an attempt to filibuster.

I don’t care what COD does with the rest of her life from this point on, as far as I’m concerned, she has fulfilled her destiny: RINO Scalp, DELIVERED.

SuperCool on December 9, 2010 at 2:33 AM

Another injustice against the American people by democrats.

Remember

Kini on December 9, 2010 at 3:00 AM

My plan for colonizing Antarctica need a nuclear reactor. Does anybody know how to isolate heavy water?

Slowburn on December 9, 2010 at 3:34 AM

If they’re “de facto Americans,” then why are they always waving Mexican flags at their protests demanding their “right” to live here legally?

AZCoyote on December 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM

This is a perfect example of the socialists ignoring the will of the people. They’re totally deaf, not just tone deaf.

dogsoldier on December 9, 2010 at 6:33 AM

This cuts deeper into the fabric of this country than the health care bill that we were raped with.

Those who are giddy about how weak Obama is looking as of late should look at the sh!t he’s got passed: Obamacare, Tarp, Stimulus, Amnesty.

We’re in deep doo doo, there is no punishment too severe for him.

Alden Pyle on December 9, 2010 at 6:37 AM

…here’s Democrat Jared Polis arguing in favor of recognizing the “de facto Americans Democrat voters” who are already here.

FIFY

Kafir on December 9, 2010 at 6:40 AM

Those who are giddy about how weak Obama is looking as of late should look at the sh!t he’s got passed: Obamacare, Tarp, Stimulus, Amnesty.

Alden Pyle on December 9, 2010 at 6:37 AM

The amnesty bill (DREAM act) has only been passed by the House — so far. Reports indicate it does not have enough votes to pass in the Senate. Of course, if it does, Barry would be more than happy to sign it.

So if your Senator is one of the fence-sitters, call him or her today and tell them to vote NO on this unfair, expensive, and poorly drafted bill.

AZCoyote on December 9, 2010 at 7:10 AM

AZCoyote on December 9, 2010 at 7:10 AM

The Maine twins should be at the top of the list, followed closely by Lindsey-boy and John-boy. Lisa doesn’t have to be too concerned about illegals invading AK, so she is a lost cause.

belad on December 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM

What blows my mind is even after getting their proverbial clocks cleaned in the Midterms, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of Democratic ilk continue to go against the will of the American people as if it is business as usual! These idiots have again proven they are out to shove their own agenda down our throats.

I personally look upon this vote as Pelosi’s way of delivering an ice cold slap in the face to each and every one of us, vile insipid creature that she truly is!

I sincerely hope this thing dies a swift death in the Senate! Any Republican senator who is stupid enough to vote for this thing puts their own political career in jeopardy as far as I am concerned!

pilamaye on December 9, 2010 at 8:10 AM

The RINO’s who will vote for this give-away have at least now shown their true colors.

erp on December 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM

So let me get this straight, they conquered Mexico? Because we sure don’t want these illegal knuckle draggers here, stealing American jobs.

tarpon on December 9, 2010 at 8:42 AM

If this passes the senate and Zero signs it, this will immediately create millions of American workers which will swell the ranks of the already unemployed. No wonder the dems want to keep promising UE benefits. Free money for all. Another point against it is that it puts a price of 2 years military service or going to college which we’ll also pay for, on becoming a citizen. Lawful immigrants aren’t required to do this which is another unequal treatment under the law.

Kissmygrits on December 9, 2010 at 8:49 AM

This makes me glad Castle got his. Good riddance.

WannabeAnglican on December 9, 2010 at 8:49 AM

REPEAL THIS TREASONOUS LEGISLATION!!!

Repeal
Repeal
Repeal
Repeal!!!!

PappyD61 on December 9, 2010 at 9:02 AM

The Maine twins should be at the top of the list, followed closely by Lindsey-boy and John-boy. Lisa doesn’t have to be too concerned about illegals invading AK, so she is a lost cause.

belad on December 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM

True…they probably don’t, and won’t have an illegal problem….but her constituents, and all the people of Alaska, will sure as he!! be required to help pay for it.

capejasmine on December 9, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Well no, we don’t. All indications are that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.

crr6 on December 8, 2010 at 11:30 PM

Tell that to the murdered rancher in Arizona. Tell that to the woman who lost her husband, and sons to murder by an illegal, in San Francisco. Tell that to the women who were raped, and murdered by an illegal, who rode the rails to do his dirty deeds.

capejasmine on December 9, 2010 at 9:41 AM

We shouldn’t have to assimilate to THEIR culture.
They need to come here legally and assimilate to OURS!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 1:17 AM

I think you’re right. I think they should meet a number of very strict criteria before they can be legalized. Just to name a couple off the top of my head:

– If you came here illegally as a grownup, you know, one who can reasonably tell the difference between legal and illegal, then you shouldn’t be eligible for amnesty. If your parents dragged you here when you were five, well, maybe we can make an exception, since you didn’t know you were breaking the law. And when I’m saying maybe, I’m saying, you still have to meet some additional criteria:

– You should not only learn English, you should show that you have learned the basics of our culture. So we’re not going to forgive your crime unless you graduate from an American high school. Better still, do two years of college, too. Or do some service in the military. By the time you are through, you’ll be sufficiently assimilated.

– That still shouldn’t give you citizenship, but maybe at that point, we can change your status to legal, so that after waiting at least five years, if you have no criminal record, and you pass your citizenship exam, you can swear allegiance to the US of A.

I don’t know, I would probably even throw in a couple of grand of fees and fines too. After all, you broke the law, even if you didn’t know because you were five at the time.

factoid on December 9, 2010 at 9:45 AM

REPEAL THIS TREASONOUS LEGISLATION!!!

Repeal
Repeal
Repeal
Repeal!!!!

PappyD61 on December 9, 2010 at 9:02 AM

Calm down. The thing hasn’t passed the Senate yet. Probably won’t either.

factoid on December 9, 2010 at 9:46 AM

So we have the “Dream” Act for illegals that will cost US taxpayers $6.2 billion per year. And then we have the Democrats screaming with bloody rage about how irresponsible it is to extend the Bush tax cuts and allow Americans to actually keep their own money.

Holy Cr*p! How can Congress advance both arguments with a straight face.

katablog.com on December 9, 2010 at 9:48 AM

If your parents dragged you here when you were five, well, maybe we can make an exception, since you didn’t know you were breaking the law.

The American taxpayer is the one who will foot the bill. We didn’t drag these kids here and we’ve footed the bill for them as they receive our free schooling and medical.

Why on earth should it be okay – especially in today’s jobless economy – to force over burdened US taxpayers to support any illegal? Perhaps they should set up a fund that those that want to support illegal “children” can – but forcing taxpayers to do so is WRONG.

Remember, all this, while trying to argue that it’s irresponsible to actually allow American taxpayers to keep their own money!

katablog.com on December 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM

Well no, we don’t. All indications are that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.

crr6 on December 8, 2010 at 11:30 PM

actually, every single ILLEGAL immigrant is committing a crime simply by virtue of being here ILLEGALLY. Type in ‘violent crimes commited by illegal immigrants’ in a seach engine and you will see just how devestating it is. High up on the list are sex crimes and gang violence:

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_sex_crimes.html

http://www.terroristplanet.com/illegalsandcrime.htm

Blight on December 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM

The Maine twins should be at the top of the list, followed closely by Lindsey-boy and John-boy. Lisa doesn’t have to be too concerned about illegals invading AK, so she is a lost cause.

belad on December 9, 2010 at 7:42 AM

One or both of the ‘Twins’ has come out against it, as has Graham and McCain.
If this abomination passes the senate we are so screwed!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 10:17 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 9, 2010 at 10:17 AM

If you haven’t already, call, write! It makes a difference.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN 202-224-2235; 480-897-6289

SEN. OLYMPIA SNOWE 202-224-5344; 207-874-0883

SEN. LISA MURKOWSKI 202-224-6665; 907-271-3735

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS 202-224-2523; 207-945-0417

SEN. SAM BROWNBACK 202-224-6521; 785-233-2503

rrpjr on December 9, 2010 at 10:22 AM

Sen Hagan’s (D-NC) office just told me again that she will vote no “if it comes up as a stand alone bill”. The nice office lady, I hated to bust her chops, couldn’t explain what that means…I’m guessing border sealing must also be in it?

Dingbat63 on December 9, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Don’t forget, folks, Cap and Trade passed the House by an even bigger margin. And Harry Reid could not get it to the Senate floor, even before Scott Brown was elected.

rockmom on December 9, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Should this mess ever pass the Senate, Obama sign it and it become law, there’s nothing to prevent massive “change” by legal immigrants to the illegal kind: massive influx of illegal aliens (all claiming to be under thirty or the “caregivers” of those who are).

If illegal aliens are to receive all this, via the Dream Nightmare, then there’s nothing to prevent millions more from declaring themselves as illegal aliens (too): stopping the legal process, avoid all the “hassles” including the fees and learning the language, etc., just go illegal and claim the age or guardian ‘privilege’ and get in the illegal way.

Seems to be the plan, from what I’ve figured.

Lourdes on December 9, 2010 at 11:27 AM

If your parents dragged you here when you were five, well, maybe we can make an exception, since you didn’t know you were breaking the law.

Continuing that line of ~reasoning~…so, are we all to conclude that illegal aliens have no ability to think for themselves up to the age of thirty or thirty-five? That they’re all some sort of illegal alien zombies who go about life in a trance “at the mercy” of their parents (or “guardians”) until the age of thirty? That none of them had a sudden moment of ethical awareness before the age of thirty and made no effort accordingly to right their wrongful situations? Like going to wherever they came from and applying for U.S. citizenship from there, doing immigration the “legal way”?

It’s not as if illegal aliens have no ability to think independently from those illegal alien parents, or are we to conclude that none of these illegal alien “youngsters” though they be as old as thirty/thirty-five has no independent abilities to think, reason, decide, act?

Lourdes on December 9, 2010 at 11:31 AM

Dream Act is a misnomer. Should be titled the Nightmare Act!

byteshredder on December 9, 2010 at 11:31 AM

No one should ever overlook the reality that these illegal aliens have lived in the U.S. for years and done nothing more about their illegal conditions than lie about their identities.

This, in my view, cancels out any pretense made about them as being “smart” and “contributing” and the rest…they’ve been here a long, long time, lied and cheated all the while taking full advantage of this nation while being aware that they did not qualify under the law for all that they were taking.

Amnesty is a bad idea overall but this particular population is not to be held up as some sort of righteous lot. They’ve known a long time they’re here illegally, they’ve been going about using what this nation has to offer in full take and been doing so knowledgeably as to their lack of qualifications and legitimacy.

Lourdes on December 9, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Whoaaa! Illegal Immigration did not happen in some vacuum devoid of Americans interaction. Stop being hypocrites and understand that the best of those here should be given a pathway to citizenship. If you cannot reconcile that with your version of “conservatism” then you are not conservative, then you are a populist subscriber to the belief that Latinos are incapable of assimilating to American civilization. This is a bigoted view. All you have to do is turn on MTV and you will see how millions of true “American” kids are living the American dream granted to them by their “pure” Americans.

Get real

conservador on December 9, 2010 at 11:36 AM

Lourdes,

the standard you have raised about lying should be applied to you. Since 1986 to 2001 did you honestly care about the flood of cheap labor that came over the border, where millions were allowed to establish families and homes in exchange for labor? IF you answer yes then you must be the handful of zero-population growth, extreme environmentalism liberals who were the only ones in the early 90’s who actaully cared. Everyone else was smiling because money was being made.

That is the problem with the position of Michelle Malkln’s zombies, they ignore the hypocrisy of tacit consent.. and now they are trying to come out as law abiding finger pointers. It might work in the echo chamber of bubble gum conservatism, but to those who vote it is disgustin. Ask Nevada, California about this.

conservador on December 9, 2010 at 11:48 AM

A more appropriate title for the DREAM act would be:

“The MAKING CRIME PAY act”

landlines on December 9, 2010 at 12:10 PM

That none of them had a sudden moment of ethical awareness before the age of thirty and made no effort accordingly to right their wrongful situations? Like going to wherever they came from and applying for U.S. citizenship from there, doing immigration the “legal way”?

Lourdes on December 9, 2010 at 11:31 AM

They can’t do that. If they leave after being unlawfully present for a year, they’re subject to a permanent bar to readmission. Does that change your analysis at all? It should.

crr6 on December 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM

I look forward to working harder for jobs and my kids college entrances because these “new Americans” and their children get affirmative action benefits over me and my children.

scotash on December 9, 2010 at 12:32 PM

I look forward to these illegals getting racial preferences over me and my children for college and jobs.

(The correct phrase for racial preferences is a censored word on HA for some reason)

scotash on December 9, 2010 at 12:37 PM

or maybe not, oh well…

scotash on December 9, 2010 at 12:38 PM

They can’t do that. If they leave after being unlawfully present for a year, they’re subject to a permanent bar to readmission. Does that change your analysis at all? It should.

crr6 on December 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Does the fact that after passing amnesty in the mid 80s illegal immigrations has increased exponentially change yours?

Besides, if we have a law on the books right now saying that people like that should be permanently barred from readmission, it just seems stupid to “fix” that error by going around the law and making them citizens. If we’re deciding that these people should be given a second chance, it makes far more sense to change the law saying they shouldn’t be given one.

But what’s your end goal? Do you believe we should have open borders, or do you believe we should get to say who can and who cannot come into this country and become a citizen?

Esthier on December 9, 2010 at 1:02 PM