Jim DeMint: I’ll vote to filibuster the tax cuts deal

posted at 8:48 pm on December 7, 2010 by Allahpundit

From today’s Hugh Hewitt radio show, with audio via Breitbart. It’s mainly a symbolic gesture, as most observers — Mitch McConnell included — seem to think the votes are there in the Senate:

They expect several defections from the right flank of their party. Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) have expressed concern about extending the jobless benefits without paying for them. Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), as the first Republican to wage this fight earlier this year, could also go against the deal…

Still, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) emerged upbeat from the party’s Tuesday luncheon. McConnell has been very successful at keeping in line, and his central role in the talks only boosts his incentive to produce a strong showing.

“I’m very hopeful and optimistic that the large majority of members of the Republican conference will find this proposal worth supporting and I’m hopeful that Democratic leaders will be able to convince their members as well that this is the way to go forward, the right thing to do under these circumstances,” McConnell said.

“The agreement is essentially final,” McConnell added.

In addition to the 10 Democrats I named in this afternoon’s post, it sounds like Bill Nelson, Tom Carper, Evan Bayh and even Chris Coons are also willing to vote yes. Assuming DeMint, Coburn, and Bunning all vote no, that still leaves Reid needing fewer than 10 more Democrats to push the deal through. Between the impending deadline when the old rates will go into effect and pressure from Biden to spare the White House the humiliation of seeing the deal collapse, they’ll find the votes.

DeMint lists several problems he has with the deal, but the big one is the fact that the cuts are temporary. Quote: “[W]e don’t need a temporary economy, which means we don’t need a temporary tax rate. A permanent extension of our current tax rates would allow businesses to plan five and ten years in advance, and that’s how you build an economy.” How are you going to get the Democrats to agree to a permanent extension of all the Bush tax cuts? The left is ready to commit seppuku over a two-year extension; if Obama tried to push something permanent, anger would be such that even Blue Dogs in the Senate would walk away for fear of being primaried. And Obama himself would have a full-scale revolt on his hands among the left instead of the whining and idle primary fantasies they’re indulging in now. It’s one thing to push permanent cuts when you have a Republican president and congressional majority (although, as recent history shows, even then it’s not easy), but with a liberal in the White House and a 58-42 spread in the Senate? C’mon. Exit question: Can Pelosi deliver for Obama among House Democrats? The AP sounds skeptical.


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Zombie Thurmond to the Capitol, stat.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2010 at 8:50 PM

And seriously? Cutting off unemployment benefits? Sure, sure these folks have had two years or so, but still, how does that look? There really aren’t other things we could cut? Hmmmm.

cynccook on December 7, 2010 at 8:51 PM

It’s one thing to push permanent cuts when you have a Republican president and congressional majority (although, as recent history shows, even then it’s not easy), but with a liberal in the White House and a 58-42 spread in the Senate? C’mon.

that’s not the point Allah. The point is that DeMint is sensing weakness that he is willing to exploit. Obama now is on record for getting rolled and if DeMint can ball him up again…well, it sure doesn’t look good for Mitt (standing on the sidelines wringing his well-manicured hands).

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 8:52 PM

Jim DeMint might have just become my favorite politician.Finally,someone sees the folly of this so-called compromise.

DDT on December 7, 2010 at 8:54 PM

Aw, here comes DeMint to screw things up again.

Vyce on December 7, 2010 at 8:55 PM

good. The GOp needs to wake up stop fighting for the Bush tax cuts and start fighting for the Reagan tax cuts. You know the tax cuts that Read my lips no new taxes bush did away with.

28% top tax rate.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM

DeMint is calling Obama’s poor bluff. He knows that the D 0 double-G is backed into the corner and he is picking a fight.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM

And seriously? Cutting off unemployment benefits? Sure, sure these folks have had two years or so, but still, how does that look? There really aren’t other things we could cut? Hmmmm.

Well, that might well be the real point that DeMint is looking to make.

Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in now is that it has always been easier to agree to spend a bit more then the hard work of looking for cuts.

We are out of money, so the sooner we start looking at real cuts the better. And if people are being asked to choose between CPB and unemployment, what do you think they will choose?

18-1 on December 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM

Will Pelosi deliver…that is the question.

d1carter on December 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Why take Caen if we don’t get Paris with it? Why take Paris if Berlin doesn’t throw open their gates?

Limerick on December 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Obama now is on record for getting rolled

It’s precisely because he got rolled that he can’t compromise any further. He has a base too, and his base will go utterly berserk if he does.

Allahpundit on December 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

While I agree with DeMint about extending unemployment benefits without securing the billions in funding to pay for them, the tax rates need to be extended before the deadline. I additionally agree with him that the rates should be permanent rather than temporary. I’m just not certain that the positives from letting the rates expire would ever outweigh the negatives on taxpayers, businesses, investors, and the economy.

anXdem on December 7, 2010 at 8:58 PM

If Princess Nanny didn’t even know about ‘the deal’, I suspect that the democratics have a much bigger problem in delivering the votes for it.

slickwillie2001 on December 7, 2010 at 8:58 PM

Between the impending deadline when the old rates will go into effect and pressure from Biden to spare the White House the humiliation of seeing the deal collapse, they’ll find the votes.

It w/b great if it fails and in Jan. the new House votes for the extension and Obama vetoes it. The charlatan s/b on record for what he really stands.

If it passes, the incentivised unemployment period notwithstanding, it will be fun to watch the repeated tax debate in 2012. The independents will watch O, not like a first time boy lover, …as he really is.

Schadenfreude on December 7, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Look if you can’t find a job after 2 years you are no longer unemployed you are now a welfare case. extending “unemployment benifts” is just a way to have those welfare people avoid the stigma of being on the public dole. Call a spade a spade. And sign up those deadbeats for a welfare check. that is why its there.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 8:59 PM

And seriously? Cutting off unemployment benefits? Sure, sure these folks have had two years or so, but still, how does that look? There really aren’t other things we could cut? Hmmmm.

cynccook on December 7, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Unemployment at 99 weeks or whatever it is at is only prolonging the depression (yes I used the d-word). It hurts people who are on it by creating large gaps in their resumes, and hurts our GDP by keeping people from taking a lower paying job (even if temporarily) because it pays just a less then what they are getting.

clement on December 7, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Will Pelosi deliver…that is the question.

d1carter on December 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

Of course she will. It’s why Obama “compromised”.

SouthernGent on December 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM

I don’t know why more isn’t being made of this Start treaty either. Isn’t that a part of this deal as well? We’re gutting our nuclear defense.

JellyToast on December 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM

It’s precisely because he got rolled that he can’t compromise any further. He has a base too, and his base will go utterly berserk if he does.

Allahpundit on December 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

isn’t that what they are currently doing? Or did you mean berserk-berserk..?

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:01 PM

Mark Levin made a good point about this last night.

What did we really get? Status quo on taxes. Extension of Obama’s tax credits from the stimulus (unfunded – increased debt). Extension of unemployment (unfunded – increased debt).

http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-the-tax-deal-is-a-bad-deal

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 7, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Oh, and how is the State Media covering this deal?

I actually took a look at how they were covering the previous debate – Republicans opposing tax cuts while Democrats support them – and was astounded at the level of dishonesty I saw…

18-1 on December 7, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I heard DeMint on the way home on Hewitt’s show. Bachman was on also and she explained why this bill increases the deficit. Yeah, you lower the SS tax, but O will probably increase the SS cap for us. Then the employer picks up the 2%, which hurts them. And the death tax isn’t eliminated, it’s still there but lower. They both said that the American people voted to stop the spending and this is doing the opposite. I’m with Michelle and Big Jim on this one.

TxAnn56 on December 7, 2010 at 9:02 PM

If only this were meaningful. The UC extension is a disaster, and playing politics with it only delays the reckoning that will have to come this time next year. What a mess these freaks have made, take stand for once.

Bishop on December 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM

he can compromise further and DeMint is calling the bluff. Obama is announcing this stuff and Speaker Minority Leader Pelosi didn’t have a clue and Harry ain’t too sure about the deal, soo….DeMint is pressing the attack because there is obviously an opening for Obama to compromise further.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM

The 13 month unemployment extension DOES NOT give people 13 months on top of the 99 weeks they already got. It merely allows the extended (99 week) deal to continue for another 13 months. See here:

Administrator Cindy Jones says the deal announced Monday would only continue the 99 weeks of eligibility for another year, not extend benefits to those who’ve reached that threshold.

IrishEi on December 7, 2010 at 9:03 PM

What did we really get? Status quo on taxes.

Presuming the deal does fall through, it will be interesting to see what the perspective of the average apolitical person is when they find “the tax cuts for the rich” failed to go through and THEIR taxes went up.

18-1 on December 7, 2010 at 9:04 PM

Gabriel Malor at AoSHQ has an excellent write-up about the UI extension.

In brief, it does not extend the time period past the current 99 weeks.

GnuBreed on December 7, 2010 at 9:05 PM

It’s precisely because he got rolled that he can’t compromise any further. He has a base too, and his base will go utterly berserk if he does.

Allahpundit on December 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM

He’s never really compromised before with the Repubs because he didn’t really have to with control of both houses and the WH. Besides, I’m not convinced this was a particularly huge compromise for him because he thought he may be able to get some Centrist milage out of it.

As to the probable base conniption fit, so what? They always have fits. Lefty fits are nothing new and they’ll still come back to Barry in the end.

anXdem on December 7, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 7, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Yeap the GOp leadership needs to grow a pair. If they think tax cuts will make the economy better go for the Reagan tax cuts not the status quo.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:05 PM

Dude some people deserve tens in thousands in welfare every year because they were over employed once in there life.

PrezHussein on December 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM

“the tax cuts for the rich” failed to go through and THEIR taxes went up.

18-1 on December 7, 2010 at 9:04 PM

which Obama/dems will get blamed for. the GOp will simply say they want to give everyone tax cuts…..and even more tax cuts…..I like the SS tax cut…

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM

I still say,this will flip,and Hopeys base
will be pushing the Tea Party Patriots aside
and out of the way to get at Changey first!!

Hopey’s Great Betrayal ACometh!!!

canopfor on December 7, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow is/was both spitting nails, so something good is happening. MSNBC has never been more entertaining.

Marcus on December 7, 2010 at 9:08 PM

Well, can’t they vote to make them permanent later when they actually have the votes and the President to make it happen?

Terrye on December 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM

We can not run a thriving business on TEMPORARY,we will remain John Gault for the duration of the bomah fiasco.

Col.John Wm. Reed on December 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM

So what, folks, are we suppose to just sit there waiting on a defeated troop of donks to come marching up with white flags? We expect them to just sally on up and fall on their knees?

Limerick on December 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM

I hope Obama is not renominate­d as the Democratic presidenti­al candidate for 2012. He is not worthy, not at all.

Obama should be unemployed­.

Obama just bargained for NOTHING…­perhaps a 2 month extension on UI once the debt cap kicks in. Add to that his complete abdication to even trying to limit them to a year. I think Obama is a ringer… because all he is doing is warming the seat until the GOP takes control in 2012 and makes the Bush tax cut disaster U.S. TAX POLICY. Obama needs to be fired and certainly kept away from ANY negotiatin­g table since his only negotiatio­n skill is to give away the cows…and the farm.

Mark these words: Barack Obama was the first African American President of the United States, and only served one term in office.

Obama is officially a Lame Duck President. HIs chances of getting reelected are 00.00%

All of these are “nice” quotes cribbed from huffpo….

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/concession-on-tax-cuts-fo_n_793295.html

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Gabriel Malor at AoSHQ has an excellent write-up about the UI extension.

In brief, it does not extend the time period past the current 99 weeks.

GnuBreed on December 7, 2010 at 9:05 PM

That’s nice.

Cut it to 12 weeks and watch employment soar.

clement on December 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Yeap the GOp leadership needs to grow a pair. If they think tax cuts will make the economy better go for the Reagan tax cuts not the status quo.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:05 PM

I don’t think that will happen with a deficit like this. I just don’t and it is not about the GOP growing a pair..it is about having enough GOPers to even think about getting something like that through.

Terrye on December 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM

I’m with DeMint. Kill it, let it expire so when the moonbats see their shrunken paycheck, maybe they’ll figure out what being “held hostage” is all about.

And 13 more months of unemployment benefits? That’s crazy, cut it back to 6 months.

Knucklehead on December 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Cut it to 12 weeks and watch employment soar.

clement on December 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM

I say let’s go further and place the unemployment “insurance” into private insurance companies. get the government out of the unemplyment business altogether…

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM

don’t think that will happen with a deficit like this. I just don’t and it is not about the GOP growing a pair..it is about having enough GOPers to even think about getting something like that through.

Terrye on December 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM

the Gop says cutting taxes increases Tax revs. Cut the freaking taxes back to Reagan levels and watch the economy zoom, the tax rev’s increase and the debt decrease.

If your party thinks tax cuts is what the economy needs then by GOD push for tax cuts…..and it is about growing a pair. You either believe in what you are saying or you don’t. Not one GOP leadership positin has spoken to reduce taxes. Nothing but keeping the status quo.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Well, can’t they vote to make them permanent later when they actually have the votes and the President to make it happen?

Terrye on December 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Yes, which makes it crazy to torpedo this bill. If you want to make the tax cuts permanent, do it when the votes are there, like 2013. Taking symbolic votes until the cows come home is only going to result in a whole lot of economic hardship for everyone.

Patrick Ishmael on December 7, 2010 at 9:15 PM

I say let’s go further and place the unemployment “insurance” into private insurance companies. get the government out of the unemplyment business altogether…

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM

Along with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Fraud will disappear.

Knucklehead on December 7, 2010 at 9:16 PM

Look if you can’t find a job after 2 years you are no longer unemployed you are now a welfare case. extending “unemployment benifts” is just a way to have those welfare people avoid the stigma of being on the public dole. Call a spade a spade. And sign up those deadbeats for a welfare check. that is why its there.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 8:59 PM

The reason why people cannot find jobs is because Obama has made a bad recession worse through bad policies such as the stimulus and health care. Let’s blame him, not the people who are currently suffering from his policies.

As for the whole idea that extending unemployment benefits causing long-term unemployment makes sense theoretically, but there are some reasons why it doesn’t make sense in reality.

1. Employers are unlikely to hire people who are overqualified for a job because they know that those people are unwilling to stay in that job for along time. A senior manager with tons of experience is unlikely to stay in a junior position; they might take it as a stop-gap, but will continue to look. As a result, employers aren’t thrilled about hiring the people and spending money on them to only have them jump ship in two months.

2. Many of the employed are going to continue looking for work (and will be more likely to get it than those unemployed). As a result, the higher paying jobs created will already go long-term to those already employed.

The issue that America is facing is not only unemployment persay, but the types of jobs that are being created. The only jobs being created are the minimum wage, burger flipping variety. The fear is that those will continue to be the only jobs being created.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:17 PM

cut taxes. cut all taxes. force the states to cut taxes by tying in fed funding to them cutting taxes.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:17 PM

The left is ready to commit seppuku over a two-year extension; if Obama tried to push something permanent, anger would be such that even Blue Dogs in the Senate would walk away for fear of being primaried.

Apparently, there are very few Democrats afraid of anything that is threatening to their careers. Look how many walked the plank for Obamacare! tschaaa!

Mr. Obama is so backed into a corner, just like Rather said, and Jim DeMint is the bill collector at the door that is burning down the house. It’s no wonder Nancy is claiming she doesn’t know anything about this, because Obama is looking to do one thing, and that is to save his own a$$. He’s been great over the last two years at vision casting and letting the Dems take the fall for it. Nowadays, he’s the one staring down the sword. oh well.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:18 PM

TxAnn56 on December 7, 2010 at 9:02 PM

Hey Ann. Wish I’d had the chance to listen to the whole program with Michelle Bachman’s points as well.

My only concern is the major hits business will take if the rates expire, even if there’s retroactivity built into any new Repub legislation after January.

anXdem on December 7, 2010 at 9:18 PM

Team Obama has to demonize the right,and paint the GOP
as at fault,at holding up,unemployment benefits!!
*************************************************

This blame game reminds me,of Pelosi getting the Republican
Party onboard for the very first $700 Billion dollar bail-
out!

Then,Nancy strutts to the well,and blames the GOP,with the
infamous speech of 8 years of failed Bush Policies”!

Its just another Newt(1994)Stole Christmas crap as well
all over again!!
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Floor Speech Before Bailout Vote
September 29,2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=VMLo7i38D58
========================================

After $700 Billion Bailout Collapses in the House, GOP Mounts an Absurd Blame Game
Mon Sep. 29, 2008

It took only a few minutes for the blame game to begin. Moments after the House failed to pass the $700 billion bailout plan, the Republican leaders–who could not produce the expected number of Republican votes for the legislation–came before the cameras with an explanation for the bill’s collapse: a speech Nancy Pelosi gave.

House minority leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) told reporters that prior to the 228-to-205 vote everything was hunky-dory. Then the House Speaker delivered a “partisan speech” before the floor vote began. This, Boehner said, “poisoned our conference and caused a number of members we thought we could get to go south.” Representative Eric Cantor, a member of the Republican leadership, held up a transcript of Pelosi’s speech and decried her “failure to lead.”

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2008/09/after-700-billion-bailout-collapses-house-gop-mounts-absurd-blame-game

canopfor on December 7, 2010 at 9:19 PM

clement on December 7, 2010 at 9:10 PM

I’m not defending the extension, just passing on knowledge. Everyone can form better opinions when they are informed. I’ve seen many people here over the last couple of days practically screaming about giving UI benefits for 3+ years, when that is not the case.

Yes, 99 weeks is too much. No, it’s not even paid for with offsetting cuts elsewhere. Yes, it’s being gamed by a hefty number of the recipients.

GnuBreed on December 7, 2010 at 9:19 PM

You all had ‘Victory Disease’ last Nov 1st, and you still have it today. You think the tsunami turned the zombies into just slightly dead folks. Waiting for the devil to cough up his resignation because you just know he will….pshawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Limerick on December 7, 2010 at 9:20 PM

If Jim DeMint votes against an extension of all of the Bush tax cuts, he can kiss any presidential aspirations goodbye.

Caiwyn on December 7, 2010 at 9:20 PM

I used to be a fan of DeMint but he’s irritating the heck out of me lately. BTW, ACE points out (via Gabriel Malor) that nearly everyone, especially Hugh Hewitt, has it all wrong on unemployment extensions.

Buy Danish on December 7, 2010 at 9:21 PM

We can not run a thriving business on TEMPORARY,we will remain John Gault for the duration of the bomah fiasco.

Col.John Wm. Reed on December 7, 2010 at 9:09 PM

Precisely. Our company just finished up the 5 year budget. Businesses that hire don’t plan two years out into the future. They won’t hire with that uncertainty still up in the air. Bachman said that she hadn’t even seen anything on paper yet.

TxAnn56 on December 7, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:17 PM

you can say all the reasons you want. but if you are unemplyed for 2 years you are no longer unemployed you are on welfare. People on welfare look for work.

It might be Obama’s fault, it might be the businesses cycle’s fault, it might be a workers fault. but the fact remains if you are out of the work force for two years you can no longer be consider to be a worker. words mean things.

Long term unemployment was the entire reason for relief, food stamps, safety nets. It was not intended for the generational poor but those that fell on hard times.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:22 PM

HELLS FREAKING BELLS!!!!

3 YEARS OF UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS?

Why not 4 years of Benees?

Why not 5 years of Benees?

Why not 6 years of Benees?

This is a complete national disgrace, to match the political Progressive agenda in D.C.

PappyD61 on December 7, 2010 at 9:23 PM

As another note, I am really getting tired of Demint and his “purity.” Seriously, STFU already. First, the guy costs us a few seats in the Senate because everyone needs to be a pure conservative and believe in everything that DeMint believes in. And now he’s trying to throw a wrench in a beautifully played political deal on taxes that has Obama throwing a temper tantrum.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:23 PM

Exit question: Can Pelosi deliver for Obama among House Democrats?

On this deal? Hellz nawh. He’s cost her 63 votes and her jet–and she literally has paid for all of it off her own back (and Harry didn’t and rightfully should bear MORE of the blame). If there is one thing that NP is good at, that is she will stand up for herself, far more than Hillary did in the face of Billy Jeff’s shenanigans. Nancy’s been scorned over and over again even after she’s cooked BO’s supper, done his sheets, and he still goes out and cheats on her. Someone better be sleeping with one eye open, brother.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Look, DeMint is bluffing–Obama is bluffing. Who do you think has the upper hand?

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:25 PM

you can say all the reasons you want. but if you are unemplyed for 2 years you are no longer unemployed you are on welfare. People on welfare look for work.

It might be Obama’s fault, it might be the businesses cycle’s fault, it might be a workers fault. but the fact remains if you are out of the work force for two years you can no longer be consider to be a worker. words mean things.

Long term unemployment was the entire reason for relief, food stamps, safety nets. It was not intended for the generational poor but those that fell on hard times.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:22 PM

Unemployment benefits are part of that safety net as well. And no.. welfare recepients weren’t looking for work for the longest time; that was the whole idea behind welfare reform in the mid ’90s.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:26 PM

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:17 PM

My wife and I earn our living from construction and related services. I’m a plumbing contractor and she is an architect. I’ve stayed somewhat busy, but our fees have fallen while our overhead has risen. My wife on the other hand has had very little work over the past eighteen months. She has applied for work outside of her profession, but gets told she is over qualified. My work is normally 50% construction plumbing and 50% repair plumbing. For the past two years, I have been doing 80% repair plumbing which hurts the profit margin big time. We have two sons in college thanks to years of planning and saving. However, we have had to dip into those funds this year to cover the monthly negative. Our story is not unique, as you have pointed out.

Keemo on December 7, 2010 at 9:26 PM

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Yup, this.

d1carter on December 7, 2010 at 9:27 PM

wrench in a beautifully played political deal on taxes that has Obama throwing a temper tantrum.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:23 PM

the fact you think it was abeautifully played politcal deal is the problem. The GOp had Obama over a barrel and the GOp gave away the freaking store. Obama played the GOP like a fiddle. We got nothing.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Apparently like Hillary, Jim DeMint possesses a pair GRIN.

Dr Evil on December 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM

And now he’s trying to throw a wrench in a beautifully played political deal on taxes that has Obama throwing a temper tantrum.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:23 PM

He’s bluffing. He’s playing a strong hand. Look, the facts are that there is no bill, Reid is questionable about it TODAY and Nancy doesn’t know diddly squat about it. So, until 15 DEC rolls around, alls that we have is bupkis and a speech. DeMint knows that, Obama certainly knows that and they both know Obama is in a corner and has more room to give (ie, a big a$$ spending cut in addition to UI benefits?)….no?

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Remember this!
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HiQ Video- Obama Blasts GOP Over Unemployment Benefits
July 19 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlm_sptmaNA

canopfor on December 7, 2010 at 9:29 PM

Seem we’re getting the tax cut extension, but how are they paying for the unemployment extension?

Something doesn’t add up.

Kini on December 7, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Unemployment benefits are part of that safety net as well. And no.. welfare recepients weren’t looking for work for the longest time; that was the whole idea behind welfare reform in the mid ’90s.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:26 PM

6 months is a safety net for emplyment. After 6 months you go on relief. Simple. effective. The safety net is still there the name changes to give the unemployed another incentive to find some work.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Seem we’re getting the tax cut extension, but how are they paying for the unemployment extension?

Something doesn’t add up.

Kini on December 7, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Don’t worry that’s what QE3 will be.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:31 PM

isn’t that what they are currently doing? Or did you mean berserk-berserk..?

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:01 PM

laptop screen clean-up on isle 6. Thanks Ted. By berserk-berserk Obama will have to do damage control for a while but his liberal base will come flocking back like scattered turkeys. The one point I’ve noticed is how much the left and their echoing media has used the words deficit and debt in the past two days, yet for two and a half years (and three trillion) later not even a cricket. Talk about hypocrites.

Rovin on December 7, 2010 at 9:31 PM

ok…off to work to pay my 6.2 and stock up a little to help out when my taxes are raised because we were too smart to give in.

Later.

Limerick on December 7, 2010 at 9:31 PM

And yet…

… nothing is in writing.

The Dems are going fight this tooth and nail. All national payroll companies have already set the new withholding calculations into their computers as well as the IRS which means all taxes will go up starting January 1, and any Unemployment extensions, if eventually passed, will hit the mail boxes some time in late January due to the swift action of federal and state bureaucracies, too late for Christmas…

… What are all of you getting excited about?

The Dems are doing what they always do when the loose power…

… It’s called “scorched earth”.

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2010 at 9:32 PM

On this deal? Hellz nawh. He’s cost her 63 votes and her jet–and she literally has paid for all of it off her own back (and Harry didn’t and rightfully should bear MORE of the blame). If there is one thing that NP is good at, that is she will stand up for herself, far more than Hillary did in the face of Billy Jeff’s shenanigans. Nancy’s been scorned over and over again even after she’s cooked BO’s supper, done his sheets, and he still goes out and cheats on her. Someone better be sleeping with one eye open, brother.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM

Pelosi was the one who wrote the stimulus policies and healthcare policies that cost the Dems 63 seats and Obama let her. If Obama had been smart and decided to do a real stimulus (such as a FICA tax cut) in 2009 rather than letting Pelosi load up the bill with pork and pet liberal projects, he’d have been in better shape. If he had actually cut a deal with Republicans and settled for something less such as a patients bill of rights and some of the more well-liked reforms (perhaps subsidized risk pool insurance for those with pre-existing conditions), he’d be in better shape. It’s about time that Obama care his own water rather than letting Pelosi write all the bills.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:32 PM

A guy who would rather have 30 “real” conservatives in the Senate than a majority coalition is a guy who would also cede to the Democrats…

full blown amnesty for tens of millions, ObamaCare with a irreversible public option, card check and the unionization of the South and West, the worst cap and tax bill possible, scores of radical leftist judges…

DeMint and his followers may fancy himself some kind of flag bearer for “real” conservatism. But the guy is a horrible strategician and tactician.

Any person who works to destroy Kelly Ayotte and inflate Chistine O’Donnell should have very little credibility at this point.

swamp_yankee on December 7, 2010 at 9:33 PM

THE DEAL MUST BE OFF.

If Obama wants to raise taxes (i.e., end Bush tax cuts) and continue the Bush 43 welfare program (unfunded) … SO BE IT! Let him muzzle his democratic congress.

McConnell … stop being so addictive to the limelight.

TheAlamos on December 7, 2010 at 9:35 PM

O/T:

The release by Julian Assange’s web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.

One of the WikiLeaks document dumps reveals that as late as 2008, American troops continued to find WMD in the region.

There are numerous mentions of chemical and biological weapons in the WikiLeaks documents, however the U.S. media appear only interested in those portions of the leaked material that highlight actions that are viewed as embarrassing for the U.S. military such as the accusation that U.S. commanders were aware of abuse and “torture” of prisoners by Iraqi soldiers and police officers.

http://www.examiner.com/public-safety-in-national/wikileaks-wmd-program-existed-iraq-prior-to-us-invasion

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:36 PM

It’s about time that Obama care his own water rather than letting Pelosi write all the bills.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:32 PM

I think she’s more than happy writing the bills and twisting arms, she’s obviously good at it in a nefarious sense. I doubt that even her leadership could calm down the screeching hyenas around her to craft together a bill like this and then (gulp) …vote on it..

I see no deal.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:37 PM

Ha ha, I’m sitting in the library listening to some old fossil whining that Obama is a sellout. The two librarians to whom he’s complaining are nodding in agreement like good little leftist toadies.

Warms my heart.

Kensington on December 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM

the GOp leadership should be pushing for major tax cuts. Not the bush tax cuts that keep the status quo. Major permenant tax cuts. then Obama and the GOp can compromise by keeping the bus tax cuts. It’s called starting out high and meeting in the middle. The GOp leadership gave away the house and got nothing. they did the same in 2003.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM

I’m sorry but my husband and I are having trouble making ends meet as it is.
If those tax cuts expire it will make it even more difficult.
DeMint is wrong on this.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM

Great news!! At least employment is looking up in Reno, NV.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM

I should add that I’m trying to get back in the work force after time as a homemaker-so we’re not on unemployment or anything else.
We NEED those tax cuts to remain.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 7, 2010 at 9:40 PM

I don’t mind the temporary extension, it goes to 2012. Obama is either going to cave before the election or be defeated if he doesn’t push it through.

amazingmets on December 7, 2010 at 9:41 PM

6 months is a safety net for emplyment. After 6 months you go on relief. Simple. effective. The safety net is still there the name changes to give the unemployed another incentive to find some work.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:30 PM

I don’t think that changing the name is going to comply people to get jobs faster.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM

A guy who would rather have 30 “real” conservatives in the Senate than a majority coalition is a guy who would also cede to the Democrats…

full blown amnesty for tens of millions, ObamaCare with a irreversible public option, card check and the unionization of the South and West, the worst cap and tax bill possible, scores of radical leftist judges…

Incorporate the lesson of November 2010!

Why did we take back the House? It’s because the we stood firm from 2009-2010.

Why didn’t we take back the Senate? Not enough contests. But R still gained new seats.

What was their major stand in 2009-2010? SAY NO TO OBAMACARE AND ANY OTHER FOOLISH BILLS LIKE THIS ONE.

Save your stupidity to and for yourself.

TheAlamos on December 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM

If those tax cuts expire it will make it even more difficult.
DeMint is wrong on this.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM

If the vote came up tomorrow, I think DeMint’s bluff would be called and he’d back down–someone has to blink because as of right now, it’s not Jimmy D that’s holding this back in the Senate, IIRC.

ted c on December 7, 2010 at 9:43 PM

I don’t think that changing the name is going to comply people to get jobs faster.

Illinidiva on December 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM

You would be surprised. Words mean things and words bring different thoughts to the table. there is a big difference in people’s mind between being on unemployment and being on welfare.

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:45 PM

The Republican leadership needs to stop thinking that ‘bi-partisanship’ actually works when government is this big. It only grows government.

Want to cut the deficit? Cut spending.

Want to start paying back the debt faster to get solvent? Cut more spending.

Cut, cut hard, cut deep, cut out parts of this government and sell off the buildings and goods for some income. Cut taxes if at all possible, but stop the damned spending.

That is where the most good can be done: stopping the spending for the growth and size of government that is a threat to us all. And stop ‘compromising’ to get a government only growing half as fast: it still ends up growing and costing more, stealing that from us and our posterity.

ajacksonian on December 7, 2010 at 9:50 PM

TheAlamos on December 7, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Not really. We won the House and over 600 state house seats because those races were organic – local candidates, picked by local activist with local tailored campaigns – the “we the people” of their respective states and districts. We lost Senate seats because of outside demogogues, who sought to impose their will and values on an unwilling electorate, and amateur internet activists, who spend more time online than they do pounding doors and working phone banks.

DeMint great at symbolic gestures an grandstanding. And that’s about all he is doing here.

swamp_yankee on December 7, 2010 at 9:51 PM

ajacksonian on December 7, 2010 at 9:50 PM

20% across the board. It will hurt like hell for everyone but at least it’s better than a collapse, which is where we’re heading.

Knucklehead on December 7, 2010 at 9:57 PM

For the zillionth time. Cut off the welfare for each and every illegal alien residing in the USA. That includes any form of welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, AFDC, WIC, child care subsidies and medicaid.

Math: 30 Million illegals (including their children) multiplied by $1200 per month (conservative estimate) multiplied by 12 months equals… what? My calculator gives me an “E” because it can’t count that high.

Defund the entire illegal alien population, now.

Key West Reader on December 7, 2010 at 9:57 PM

swamp_yankee on December 7, 2010 at 9:51 PM

ROFL….nice try but 100% wrong

unseen on December 7, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Defund the entire illegal alien population, now.

Key West Reader on December 7, 2010 at 9:57 PM

Speaking of illegal aliens, the vote on the Dream Act is tomorrow. If you haven’t called your rep and senators, do it tomorrow!! If we can stop this, we won’t have to deal with the threat of amnesty for a while.

TxAnn56 on December 7, 2010 at 10:01 PM

The left is ready to commit seppuku over a two-year extension; if Obama tried to push something permanent, anger would be such that even Blue Dogs in the Senate would walk away for fear of being primaried

The recession is too deep for businesses to hire on faith of a two year temporary tax (which is only at current levels) Obama knows that he doesn’t stand a chance at winning a 2nd term if unemployment rises above 10%. Obama is all about Obama; everyone else will be under the bus.

TN Mom on December 7, 2010 at 10:04 PM

Yes, which makes it crazy to torpedo this bill. If you want to make the tax cuts permanent, do it when the votes are there, like 2013. Taking symbolic votes until the cows come home is only going to result in a whole lot of economic hardship for everyone.

Patrick Ishmael on December 7, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Really, you’re trusting Jim “Better Democrats have a near-permanent majority, if eventually, in some possible alternate future which probably won’t ever happen, it leads to Americans deciding to give ‘true’ conservatives control” DeMint to NOT make some sort of assinine move like this that’s nothing more than a political statement?

A majority of Americans don’t like giving tax cuts to the rich. A majority of Americans DO like extending unemployment benefits. Giving the latter to get the former is a compromise that a MAJORITY of Americans would be just fine with – which is, of course, why they extremes of both idealogies are fighting it. On the left, it’s opposition to the tax cuts for the top percent, with the right it’s DeMint’s opposition to extending benefits when we’ve got 9.8% unemployment.

Vyce on December 7, 2010 at 10:05 PM

McConnell … stop being so addictive to the limelight.

TheAlamos on December 7, 2010 at 9:35 PM

Heh. How telling it is that you say that, when DeMint is the one grandstanding here.

Vyce on December 7, 2010 at 10:06 PM

I love DeMint!!

right4life on December 7, 2010 at 10:08 PM

A majority of Americans don’t like giving tax cuts to the rich. A majority of Americans DO like extending unemployment benefits

newsflash: ITS OUR OWN MONEY..no one is giving the ‘rich’ anything.

oh yeah we need a permanent dole like they have in britain…brilliant.

right4life on December 7, 2010 at 10:09 PM

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