New Fed study suggests net job creation from Porkulus was … zero
posted at 10:12 am on December 6, 2010 by Ed Morrissey
Via Reason, the economists at e21 take a long look at a new study by Daniel Wilson at the San Francisco Fed on the effect on employment from the Obama administration’s stimulus plan, which indicates that the impact was a lot less than advertised. Instead of adding two million jobs to the economy, the Fed finds that any new jobs added had disappeared by August of this year (via The American Thinker):
It is difficult to properly calculate the effects of the 2009 ARRA bill, as it was a nation-wide program. Though employment and growth failed to respond to ARRA as the Administration had suggested, fiscal stimulus advocates have argued that employment levels would have been lower still without the program.
Wilson’s study makes an important contribution to this debate by focusing on state-by-state comparisons. A large portion of stimulus funding at the state level was based on criteria that were entirely independent of the economic situation that states faced. For example, the number of existing highway miles was used to calculate additional transportation spending.
The study uses this resulting variation in state-level stimulus funding to determine what impact ARRA funding had on employment — including both the direct impact of workers hired to complete planned projects, as well as any broader spillover effects resulting from greater government spending. Administration economists have repeatedly emphasized the importance of this indirect employment growth in driving economic recovery.
The results suggest that though the program did result in 2 million jobs “created or saved” by March 2010, net job creation was statistically indistinguishable from zero by August of this year. Taken at face value, this would suggest that the stimulus program (with an overall cost of $814 billion) worked only to generate temporary jobs at a cost of over $400,000 per worker. Even if the stimulus had in fact generated this level of employment as a durable outcome, it would still have been an extremely expensive way to generate employment.
Well, all anyone needed to do was look at unemployment over the last 19 months to figure that much out. We have had 19 months of joblessness at 9% or higher, a record in the post-WWII era, despite the administration’s insistence that the outlay would curtail the extension of unemployment. That number is lower than it should be, thanks to a generational low in the workforce-to-population ratio, too. The number of the unemployed and discouraged workers didn’t drop; in fact, those numbers have grown since Porkulus.
The rebuttal from the White House has been to argue the counterfactual. Just imagine, they say, if we hadn’t spend $800 billion in stimulus! The analysis by e21 addresses that argument as well:
It is also difficult to determine the counterfactual employment growth that would have resulted in the absence of the fiscal stimulus law. To address this issue, Wilson includes other variables predictive of future employment growth. However, it is possible that employment would indeed have been worse in all states without a stimulus. It is also possible that employment would have been better than projected — for instance, if the Fed or Treasury had responded to higher unemployment through their own interventions.
Still, this result should be taken seriously, as it represents one of the few actual analyses of the stimulus program that does not rely on outdated multiplier estimates that assume their result.
Importantly, the results are also consistent with another recent analysis of government spending during Great Depression by economists Price Fishback and Valentina Kachanovskaya. During a period in which unemployment was extremely high and the costs of implementing a public works program were far lower than today, one might expect that fiscal stimulus might have proven more effective. Yet Fishback and Kachanovskaya find that a similar state-by-state analysis suggests that fiscal stimulus during the Great Depression failed to yield durable employment gains.
But Reason notes that the people pushing the counterfactual never provided any reality-based metrics in the first place:
Backers of the stimulus have always had to contend with two big problems: The first is measurement. How do we know how many jobs were created, saved, funded, whatever? Do we count new permanent jobs, or partially funded contractors, or grocery clerks whose paychecks are dependent on added business from stimulus-funded workers across town? And even if you can verify that those jobs are funded by stimulus money somehow, how do you know that the same jobs would not have been created in the absence of the stimulus? It’s a thankless task, and the administration has tended to respond by skirting the issue and relying on models that don’t really measure output at all. Wilson’s study, with its state-by-state comparisons, attempts to partly address this problem.
But his tentative conclusions lead to the second problem, which is value. Even if you find that the stimulus did create jobs, then the question becomes: Were the results worth the price? The findings in Wilson’s study suggest that they weren’t.
Finally, we come to the basic argument used by the administration, which was that the stimulus was intended to prevent joblessness from going above 8%. Now that we’re heading back towards 10% having never gotten below 9%, that should certify the program as a flop. The White House and its defenders claim that no one knew how bad the economy was at that point (January 2009), but that’s simply not true. We had already lost over 3 million jobs by that time, and we were losing 600K a month or more by then. If all the President’s men and women couldn’t have figured out that the economy was in very bad shape, driven there mainly by the collapse of a bubble itself driven by government interventions, then we certainly can question their expertise in crafting a solution that ended up doing nothing — and costing us a lot of money in the process with yet another government intervention.
The real question at the end of the day is this: opportunity costs. Had the government acted to restrain regulatory growth and allow investors to keep an extra $800 billion in early 2009, would we have created more net jobs by August 2010 than zero?









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Someone should shove this report right into Pelosi’s kisser and then ask her to explain what exactly went SNAFU here.
Then maybe the Democrats should once again reconsider voting her in as Minority Leader, and this time, really think it through.
pilamaye on December 6, 2010 at 10:15 AM
Everyday, every hour, every minute of an elected officials time should be spent on one item and only one item…how do you get people back to work.
We have to bring industry back…which will mean getting the government off the backs of industry.
right2bright on December 6, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Oh no, Debbie Wasserman Schultz said that Obama created more jobs in 8 months than Bush did in his whole 8 years. She wouldn’t lie, would she?
RedRedRice on December 6, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Nooooooooooooo ;-)
blatantblue on December 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Perhaps Team Barry should have read up on their US History. Specifically Henry Morgenthau’s comment about the accomplishments of the New Deal. “All that money, wasted!”
GarandFan on December 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40356320/ns/business-us_business/
Proud Rino on December 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Stupid politics or by design?
Keemo on December 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Proud Rino on December 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Don’t waste our time with anything created by a piece of the Progressive machinery; a**wipe.
Keemo on December 6, 2010 at 10:23 AM
But it was fun while it lasted. No?
Funemployment…making work pay.
What’s next on the list?
/
Electrongod on December 6, 2010 at 10:23 AM
This should be the epitaph for the Obama administration, and incidentally, the nation’s love affair with “hope and change.” I guess we’ll find out in the 2012 election.
I’ll say one thing for the stimulus — it did indeed “save or create” many jobs, namely, economists who undertook analyses of the costs and effects of this colossal fiasco.
jwolf on December 6, 2010 at 10:23 AM
I just put a little more weight in the study conducted by the nonpartisan CBO as opposed to a study conducted by the extremely partisan folks at Reason.
If there’s some reason to doubt the CBO report, I’d be interested in hearing that, but it’s like if Think Progress commissioned a study saying that the Stimulus created a bazillion jobs. I haven’t read e21′s full report so I’ll withhold judgment on the merits of that but I’m pretty suspicious.
Proud Rino on December 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM
The gap between projected unemployment and actual unemployment is widening quickly. Forget 8%. We were supposed to be at 7% by now according to Regime projections. 9.8% actual, 7.0% predicted for Nov ’10.. We’ll have a 3%+ reality gap soon.
forest on December 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM
All the money wasn’t spent … and the money that was spent went mainly to keep unions jobs afloat.
House cleaning will have to be done eventually, all Porkulus did was put money in union coffers and put off the inevitable.
darwin on December 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Heckuva job, Barry.
B+!
AZCoyote on December 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM
I’m just glad it isn’t 12 or 15 percent. Thanks Mr. President!
maynila on December 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM
I want my $400K.
OkieDoc on December 6, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Common sense tells you what these studies claim to say. If the recession officially ended in June, 2009, then that was about the time the first few bucks from porkulus hit the streets. So obviously it didn’t stop a depression. And the only jobs it saved were state bureaucrats’ for another fiscal year so states could “balance” their budgets one last time. The only jobs it created were for whomever had the contract to make all those “Your Porkulus Tax Dollars at Work” signs.
cartooner on December 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM
This administration has effectively destroyed the reputation of the CBO. They can only score what’s put in front of them. That’s why the Obamacare projections were such a farce.
And it’s been well documented that Obama and his economic advisers have been changing the metrics for measuring jobs “saved or created” in order to prop up the Porkulus numbers. A few months back it was reported that they were including in their jobs figures any people who received raises at companies that got Porkulus funds. At that point, we may as well just discard any economic data coming out of this White House.
Doughboy on December 6, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Oh, it’s definitely negative, not zero.
Count to 10 on December 6, 2010 at 10:41 AM
But think of all the holes that were filled …
MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Remember right after Obamacare became law, Obama declared he was going to do a “hard pivot” towards jobs? Well that hasn’t worked out very well. Unless writing bank regulations or banning school bake sales creates jobs somewhere.
Mord on December 6, 2010 at 10:42 AM
“Via Reason, the economists at e21 take a long look at a new study by Daniel Wilson at the San Francisco Fed“
RedRedRice on December 6, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Extremely partisan? In what sense. Be specific.
MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Actually he promised to pivot to jobs almost a year ago. It was early January after the Scott Brown victory at the SOTU address. All he’s done since then is double down on Obamacare, pass so-called jobs bills which were nothing more than union bailouts, and…..well, I can’t think of anything else he’s done.
Doughboy on December 6, 2010 at 10:44 AM
But they cared more than anyone else. And that’s what really matters.
hoosiermama on December 6, 2010 at 10:44 AM
This is a continuing method of Obama and the media. Great numbers–at first–then a week or month later they are quietly downgraded to poor numbers and no one notices. Same way with unemployment figures–”unexpectedly rise”–is the continuing refrain and now the number of illegals Obama deported were the most evah! These numbers we find out have been fudged and compromised and are not reliable. Obama even has Kathleen Parker whining about the end. What ever happened to hope and change? Well, we better start hoping we get another change.
Herb on December 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM
The CBO can only work with numbers supplied. Any analysis of any CBO report must begin with examination of the data/formulas they worked with. “Garbage in, garbage out.” Obamacare comes to mind.
Check this out.
visions on December 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Repeatedly F’ed the country w/o using proper protection?
Seriously, what has the Obamassiah accomplished?
MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2010 at 10:46 AM
No no … you misunderstood him. He said he was going to do a “hard pivot” away from jobs … except union jobs, because rumor has it the union leadership has become accustomed to wiping their a$$es with taxpayer money.
darwin on December 6, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Hey, the Dem Base voters buy that line…
MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Don’t even get me started on Ms.Wasserman-Test.I’min her dstrict.
katy the mean old lady on December 6, 2010 at 10:49 AM
By “investors”, our liberal friends would call these folks “the rich and the greedy”. They blindly see no relevance that investors are a large part of the job creators in this country. The rhetorical crap sandwich Democrats have used the past week using class warfare is an embarrassment, yet every sound-bite gets the full “echo” from the idiots in the Lamestream media. Personally, I blame not only the media, but a generation of public education that has failed miserably by not preparing our youth for the realities of a “working class America”, and instead they have engrained this government entitlement mentality that enslaves everyone. Our children are being taught that the government should be the primary investor, while the free market investors are our sworn enemies. It’s a sad reflection on how this nation has evolved into the 21st century. Very sad.
Rovin on December 6, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Unemployment is “officially” at over 17% according to the BLS. I put quotes around that because the U6 number is FAKE too and the BLS openly admits it doesn’t count everyone.
It’s only by accounting trickery that the U3 number is under 10% too.
“Saved or created” jobs by ODumbAss are total horse manure and we all knew that after seeing all the jobs created in non existent congressional districts and the laughable work the socialists did trying to explain away the lawnmower business.
All the Clown posse continues to do is poison the private sector and they poison the private sector because they hate it. Pure and simple.
dogsoldier on December 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM
So when do we get that $800 billion back? Investment implies that we want a return on it.
Let us know, Mr. President. And you too, Democrats.
- The Taxpayer
Good Lt on December 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM
O/T, RIP Don Meredith. I just heard this on Fox news. I really enjoyed watching him play for the Dallas Cowboys. He was one of a kind, a gentleman.
L
letget on December 6, 2010 at 10:57 AM
I’m sure our grandchildren will be so proud of us and thank us profusely when the visit gramps and granny at the old folks homes.
Kissmygrits on December 6, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Nothing as far as I can tell. Basically the Obama/Democrat electoral strategery is to screw everything up(whether it’s intentional or not is incidental), assign the blame to someone else, and attempt to convince the American people that they need to be left in charge or else things will get worse.
Or to paraphrase that woman at the townhall who recently got laid off, this is the new normal.
Doughboy on December 6, 2010 at 10:57 AM
I want my $400K.
OkieDoc on December 6, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Heh. My thought exactly.
sisterchristian on December 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Following the ’10 national election trouncing Democrats from government, those remaining “offer” a new Fed Study that admits what everyone already knows.
As with Wikileaks, there’s no “revelation” of what we already knew all along.
And the stubborn deniers aren’t going to quit bitterly clinging to their fraud and pork nanny teats. Where’s the epiphany for blood suckers?
maverick muse on December 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM
How’s about you and the CBO get us a list of the names of those people and jobs and their phone numbers, eh?
Tim Zank on December 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM
The CBO’s “functionality” is no different than a standard desk top PC. Garbage in = garbage out.
Tim Zank on December 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM
More good would have been done if the Feds would have just shoved money out of an airplane. That would have at least meant a few jobs “created or saved”… More money went to foriegn banks than went to Americans.
Get ready for the next boot to fall – hyper inflation;
the new normal
Kuffar on December 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM
???
The study in question is from the SF Fed:
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/economics/papers/2010/wp10-17bk.pdf
And what sort of “partisans” are the people at Reason, exactly?
DrSteve on December 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Unions drove industry from the USA.
Unions will deplete whatever tax funds the feds collect, with politicians and lawyers profiting for enabling takes.
It’s a literal misnomer to call unions “labor” — no surprise given socialist double-speak, Newspeak.
maverick muse on December 6, 2010 at 11:03 AM
This is all over-biased, right-wing spin.
Everyone knows that President Obama, Teh Lightworker (did you all forget that?!) is responsible for creating and saving every job all over the planet, indeed every planet, in the history of the Universe.
Even on Omicron Persei 8. And that’s no small feat!
catmman on December 6, 2010 at 11:05 AM
It sure took awhile to fill the one in the bottom of the Gulf.
Steve Z on December 6, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Yeah, but at least it only cost a trillion.
Thune on December 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Congress says the stimulus is now creating a million jobs a month?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Chuck Schick on December 6, 2010 at 11:17 AM
And, this is news? I think “We Told You So.” whne this started. Nice to have some analysis to back up the arguement.
EliTheBean on December 6, 2010 at 11:18 AM
A solid B+
Lily on December 6, 2010 at 11:23 AM
I wonder what the net job creation will be from the drilling ban?
Dump Obama free the economy.
tarpon on December 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Just imagine if the $800 billion borrowed by the government for it had been available to private businesses.
Count to 10 on December 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Reason didn’t do the study.
lorien1973 on December 6, 2010 at 11:36 AM
While the CBO wonks try their best to be nonpartisan, their efforts can be constrained by partisans. To wit, with Obamacare the CBO was not allowed to question Democrats’ intent and promises to make the legislation revenue neutral, hence not including the “Doctor fix” which drives the numbers into the red. If the Congress tells the CBO they will cover any future shortfalls, the CBO may not challenge those assurances. If you take CBO numbers as gospel, you’re living in Wonderland.
Bob in VA on December 6, 2010 at 11:42 AM
My modest proposal to the Republicans has been to hold to proposed CBO funding levels for Obamacare (if they can’t de-fund it completely) — in other words, if Pelosi didn’t ask for an expenditure to be counted in scoring, they can’t have it for implementation. Say they’re just trying to help the President keep his deficit pledge for the program, etc. etc.
DrSteve on December 6, 2010 at 11:46 AM
Epic fail.
LASue on December 6, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Fits better doncha think?
OkieDoc on December 6, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Count it!
mankai on December 6, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Workers with Jobs the White House Claims it Created Say They’re Underpaid; Compare Their Meager Salaries to Huge Costs to Taxpayers
Mervis Winter on December 6, 2010 at 12:37 PM
+1
Khun Joe on December 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Where is my Bayam to defend this utter keyensian failure?
Inanemergencydial on December 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM
A march on DC would be in order
Sonosam on December 6, 2010 at 1:01 PM
After destroying quality health care in America, he made a “hard pivot” to destroying jobs.
Slowburn on December 6, 2010 at 1:07 PM
All these “I told you so” moments and still the money and jobs are gone.
Yakko77 on December 6, 2010 at 1:27 PM
The GOP should hire Niall Ferguson to rebut Obama’s counterfactual. Not only is he a trained economist and historian, but he is a skilled author who has constructed a widely acclaimed counterfactual about WWI.(not to be confused with alternate history of the kind produced by Harry Turtledove.)
xkaydet65 on December 6, 2010 at 3:37 PM
We could have put 2 trillion back into the economy if we hadn’t employed the “jack-ass” currently occupying the WH.
chickasaw42 on December 6, 2010 at 3:55 PM
I thought he said he was going to be the “pivot man”.
My bad.
Squiggy on December 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM
From the MSNBC link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40356320/ns/business-us_business/
Did the math from the MSNBC article and came up with about the same as this article.
Don’t know why the MSNBC folks thought this was a good result.
Humm? $814 billion / 3 months = $271.33 billion per month.
Hum? 1.4 million to 3.6 million, AVG. 2 million people.
$271,330,000,000 / 2,000,000 is $135,665.00 per person, per month.
@ 40hr week 4 weeks per month is 160 hr per month
$135,665.00 / 160 hr is $847.90 per hour?
$847.90 per hour where can I get this job!
$135,665.00 x 3 = $406,995.00
DSchoen on December 6, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Keemo asked:
Yes.
Dana on December 8, 2010 at 6:36 AM