Joint Chiefs chair to troops: If you don’t want to serve with gays, quit

posted at 10:29 pm on December 2, 2010 by Allahpundit

This isn’t really aimed at the troops, I think. Rather, he and Gates have simply reached the end of their respective ropes with McCain’s endless backpedaling on “don’t ask, don’t tell.” Maverick’s chief concern at today’s hearing was that servicemen will quit in droves if forced to serve alongside gays in combat. Mullen’s reply: Oh well.

“Should repeal occur, some soldiers and Marines may want separate shower facilities. Some may ask for different berthing. Some may even quit the service,” Mullen said. “We’ll deal with that.”…

“We treat each other with respect or we find another place to work. Period,” he said…

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of the biggest critics of changing current policy, noted that the study of U.S. troops found that combat forces were much more concerned about serving alongside gay members than the military population as a whole and as many as 32 percent of Marines said they would leave the service earlier than planned rather than remain alongside gay troops…

Saying he expects less turbulence, “even in the combat arms world,” than some would predict, Mullen added, “In fact, it may be the combat arms community that proves the most effective at managing this change, disciplined as they are. It’s not only because our young ones are more tolerant. It’s because they’ve got far more important things to worry about.”

As you’re about to see, Gates’s annoyance with the implications of Maverick’s logic was palpable. Mullen may be onto something too in thinking that, notwithstanding the objections of combat troops, wartime conditions might end up making integration easier, not harder. See, for instance, this chronology of military desegregation at the Truman Library. Things start slowly with studies being conducted after World War II, then Truman gives the order to desegregate in 1948. Not until the Korean War, however, do desegregation efforts really rev up as black recruits are rushed in to help reinforce white units suffering casualties. Remember also that, according to the Pentagon’s study, only 15 percent of gay troops surveyed this year said they’d reveal their orientation to everyone in their unit, so even if some combat troops are willing to retire early to avoid gay colleagues, many of them won’t ever know for sure that they’re serving alongside gays. Finally, note that the survey was conducted with the respondents knowing full well that the results would shape policy. If you’re not real keen on having gays in your unit but not so unhappy about it that you’d quit, you might be tempted to say that you would simply to throw a little fear into the brass and influence the final decision. Guess we’ll find out the hard way who was exaggerating and who wasn’t, huh?

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When I joined the USMC, homosexuality was prohibited. During my service it became optional. I left before they made it mandatory.

quikstrike98 on December 5, 2010 at 2:56 AM

If a person has a 4 year contract and they let gays in, do you think this bastards with brass would allow someone to quit with an honorable discharge? Hell no! They’ll dishonorable discharge them.

The brass are @sses.

Tim Burton on December 5, 2010 at 3:16 AM

@quikstrike98 The gays are already there. The gays have always been there. and I’m sure thats exactly what’s going to happen everyone will have to try out butt sex to get promoted. That’s good rational thinking.

Zekecorlain on December 6, 2010 at 2:32 PM

well good then we will have more “Mannings” in there that act like queens and just totally F*ck up everything even more.

ColdWarrior57 on December 6, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Mr. Gates stating that you can’t poll the ranks about policy decisions based on tour lengths, etc. But people entering the service know these policies ahead of time. Ask the same personnel before entering if the mind sharing showers or berthing with gays, and you would probably have a different tally. Polling shore personnel and comparing polls of deployed personnel will also result in a different total. Shore based work alongside gays and then go home. Deployed eat, sleep, shower with gays and wouldn’t be happy about it.

Personally, I couldn’t care less if someone is gay. I’m just tired of their separate rights being crammed down our throats. Get over it already…

stacman on December 6, 2010 at 3:42 PM

Zekecorlain on December 6, 2010 at 2:32 PM

Which is true and makes the current policy effective. Wondering why advocates of repealing DADT have a problem with a policy which clearly works.

Leave it alone.

catmman on December 6, 2010 at 5:04 PM

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