New Wikileaks docs revealed: China open to Korean reunification? Update: Iranian supreme leader has terminal cancer? Update: European nuke locations revealed?

posted at 6:00 pm on November 29, 2010 by Allahpundit

Time for the daily diplo document dump, which should be a 5 p.m. staple for at least the next week. Most of you will go looking for the Times’s write-up but the Guardian’s is better in this case. Here’s what I meant yesterday when I said that, for an ostensibly anti-war organization, Wikileaks sure is cavalier about the sort of escalation between rivals that some of these documents might ignite. At a moment when U.S./ROK wargames are going on in the Yellow Sea, with four South Koreans dead within the past week from North Korean shelling, how’s crazy Kim going to react upon learning that his chief benefactor might soon be ready to pull the plug on foreign aid and let North Korea disintegrate? Anyone excited to toss that particular match into the powder keg and see if anything pops?

The leaked North Korea dispatches detail how:

• South Korea’s vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul’s control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing…

In highly sensitive discussions in February this year, the-then South Korean vice-foreign minister, Chun Yung-woo, told a US ambassador, Kathleen Stephens, that younger generation Chinese Communist party leaders no longer regarded North Korea as a useful or reliable ally and would not risk renewed armed conflict on the peninsula, according to a secret cable to Washington…

“The two officials, Chun said, were ready to ‘face the new reality’ that the DPRK [North Korea] now had little value to China as a buffer state – a view that, since North Korea’s first nuclear test in 2006, had reportedly gained traction among senior PRC [People's Republic of China] leaders. Chun argued that in the event of a North Korean collapse, China would clearly ‘not welcome’ any US military presence north of the DMZ [demilitarised zone]. Again citing his conversations with [the officials], Chun said the PRC would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the US in a ‘benign alliance’ – as long as Korea was not hostile towards China. Tremendous trade and labour-export opportunities for Chinese companies, Chun said, would also help ‘salve’ PRC concerns about … a reunified Korea.

China ran the numbers and concluded they could absorb up to 300,000 North Korean refugees, so clearly they’re taking this possibility seriously. More ominously, a Chinese diplomat also allegedly told his American counterpart that China has “much less influence than most people believe” over the North Korean leadership. Maybe that’s self-serving spin aimed at creating plausible deniability for China the next time Kim does something nutty, but officials in the White House told Marc Ambinder last week that China was as surprised as we were by the revelation of North Korea’s new uranium enrichment facility. That jibes with a bunch of cables highlighted in the NYT’s story tonight claiming that Chinese knowledge of — and control over — the NorKs’ activities isn’t as robust as we’d like to think.

On May 13, 2009, as American satellites showed unusual activity at North Korea’s nuclear test site, officials in Beijing said they were “unsure” that North Korean “threats of another nuclear test were serious.” As it turns out, the North Koreans detonated a test bomb just days later.

Soon after, Chinese officials predicted that negotiations intended to pressure the North to disarm would be “shelved for a few months.” They have never resumed…

In June 2009, at a lunch in Beijing shortly after the North Korean nuclear test, two senior Chinese Foreign Ministry officials reported that China’s experts believed “the enrichment was only in its initial phases.” In fact, based on what the North Koreans revealed this month, an industrial-scale enrichment plant was already under construction. It was apparently missed by both American and Chinese intelligence services.

The Chinese also allegedly believed that Kim would hand power to a military junta and not the young, untested Kim Jong-un. Wrong again. Could be that they’re simply playing dumb, but if they’re not then (a) the situation right now on the Korean peninsula is even more precarious than thought and (b) it’s unclear whether China could bring about reunification even if it wanted to. This takes us back to yesterday’s post about McCain’s comments: What reason is there to believe that, faced with a Chinese embargo and total social collapse, the North Korean military would opt to reunify instead of to go out fighting? Some soldiers might agree to lay down their arms for survival’s sake, but others will be so rabidly nationalistic that they’ll prefer death to absorption by South Korea. (Wouldn’t be the first time that cult members have opted for suicide.) All it would take to touch off a war on the peninsula is for a few well-placed NorK officers to give the orders to shell Seoul. What then?

Another question: To what extent have Chinese and South Korean actions over the past week been guided by the looming release of these documents? Remember that the State Department has been warning allies about what was coming, so today’s news won’t be a surprise to Beijing or Seoul (but it probably will to Pyongyang). Does this explain why South Korea’s president is suddenly talking very tough about responding to provocations while quietly canceling artillery drills that might escalate the situation further? He needs to put on a brave face for South Korean voters who are turning increasingly hawkish towards the NorKs, but he may be worried that the news about China favoring reunification has North Korea in an unusually desperate position. The solution: Speak loudly and carry a conspicuously small stick.

There’s more Wikileaks stuff out tonight, but I’m going to post this much now. Stand by for updates below.

Update: Are Khamenei’s days numbered? Huge news if it’s true, but it probably isn’t.

The US consulate in Istanbul reported in August, 2009 that a businessman close to Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former Iranian president, that the Supreme Leader had been diagnosed with a fatal form of Leukaemia. The source said Ayatollah Rafsanjani believed his great rival would be dead in a “matter of months”

“As a result, Rafsanjani decided to stop challenging Khamenei, and instead is preparing the ground to have himself appointed Khamenei’s successor,” the report said. “If he is successful – though clearly he would face stiff opposition from Ahmadinejad allies in that Assembly – he would then invite Ahmadinejad to resign and call a new election.”

Fifteen months later and the old bastard is still alive and kicking. The Khamenei’s dead/dying rumors have been around for ages, but there was an uptick of them late last year. Remember this post from last October citing rumors that he was in a coma? It was probably just propaganda being spread by regime opponents to make security forces think the regime was about to split open, and therefore they’d better ally themselves with the people ASAP.

If it’s true and Khamenei is secretly on his last legs, then things in Iran are about to get very interesting very quickly. Ahmadinejad is under fire himself from the Iranian parliament over the economy and for moving to eliminate various state subsidies; they reportedly were prepared to impeach him until Khamenei personally intervened and asked them to stand down. If Khamenei dies then suddenly Ahmadinejad lacks a patron, which would raise the possibility of either a new “pragmatist” supreme leader being appointed and summarily dumping him or Ahmadinejad rallying the Revolutionary Guard to his side and trying to seize power in a coup. Chaos, either way.

Update: Tonight’s other “big revelation”? Turns out the feds are very eager to have foreign countries take prisoners being held at Gitmo and foreign countries are very reluctant to take them. Among the sweeteners offered to induce them: Money and meetings with Obama. Oh, and the king of Saudi Arabia had the idea of embedding microchips in detainees after they’re released so that we can find them quickly if they cause trouble again. He compared it to microchipping animals like horses. John Brennan’s response: “Horses don’t have good lawyers.”

Update: An interesting tidbit from the WSJ: Both the Journal and CNN were offered the Wikileaks documents — and turned them down.

In a strategy aimed at raising its profile, WikiLeaks has been teaming up with news organizations on its leaks. Last week it offered The Wall Street Journal access to a portion of the documents it possesses if the Journal signed a confidentiality agreement. The Journal declined.

“We didn’t want to agree to a set of pre-conditions related to the disclosure of the Wikileaks documents without even being given a broad understanding of what these documents contained,” a spokeswoman for the paper said.

CNN also declined to make an agreement with WikiLeaks. It declined to comment further.

The only precondition Wikileaks has imposed that I’ve heard of has to do with the timing of publication. No reporting on documents about North Korea until November 29, no reporting on documents about U.S. banks until November 30, etc. If the Journal and CNN resisted that because they don’t want to jump through a source’s arbitrary hoops, good for them, but in practice they’re jumping through them anyway by reporting on what they’ve learned about the documents from other news outlets.

Speaking of news standards, any theories as to why the Times refused to publish stolen documents in the case of the Climategate e-mails, which raised skepticism about climate change modeling, but eagerly published the ones obtained by Wikileaks? (Actually, it was only one Times author who refused to publish the e-mails. Others did link to them and discuss them.)

Update: CBS thinks it’s found a bombshell, but I’m not so sure.

Nuclear weapons residing in Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium in late 2009 were a crucial chess piece in international disarmament negotiations, according to leaked U.S. diplomatic cables from the website Wikileaks.

In a conversation between U.S. Ambassador Philip D. Murphy and German National Security Advisor Christoph Heusgen reprinted in one cable, the two statesmen discussed German concerns about taking nuclear weapons out of the country.

“Heusgen said that from his perspective, it made no sense to unilaterally withdraw ‘the 20′ tactical nuclear weapons still in Germany while Russia maintains ‘thousands’ of them. It would only be worth it if both sides drew down,” the cable states.

The precise number of weapons currently in Germany may be news, but the fact that tactical nuclear weapons are housed in those countries isn’t. See, for instance, this 2005 arms control report naming all three as part of NATO’s weapons-sharing agreement. At the time, Germany was alleged to have 150 U.S. nukes, 60 of which were under its own command. Evidently we’ve cut back quite a bit.


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New Wikileaks docs revealed: China open to Korean reunification?
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And, on how many South Korean graves will that take!!

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:04 PM

South Korea would go broke funding a reunified Korea. It doesn’t sound like China would help with funding reunification, but it wouldn’t hurt to ask.

NaCly dog on November 29, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Well now that will really freak out the Dear Leader. This could get really interesting. Well if it doesn’t get crazy first.

whbates on November 29, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Oh, boy, here we go…

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM

“South Korea would go broke funding a reunified Korea.”

I don’t think so. But it’s a process that could take 50 years if not a hundred. It would be about like German reunification, which hasn’t destroyed the German economy.

Steven Den Beste on November 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM

At a moment when U.S./ROK wargames are going on in the Yellow Sea, with four South Koreans dead within the past week from North Korean shelling, how’s crazy Kim going to react upon learning that his chief benefactor might soon be ready to pull the plug on foreign aid and let North Korea disintegrate? Anyone excited to toss that particular match into the powder keg and see if anything pops?

By doing nothing.

It’s not like he’ll face pressure at home. People who voice concern or disagreement will find them and their families in camps. Lowlier figures will be killed.

Meanwhile, he can’t afford to complain to China and risk losing what bit of cover they currently provide. Keep in mind that China’s reaction to the DPRK’s act of war was to call for Six-Party talks.

And he’s not going to go to full-out war because China isn’t going to have his back and South Korea and the U.S. would devastate him.

So he does nothing. Pretends it doesn’t exist. He’ll be gone soon anyway, and if his son is incompetent he’ll be replaced by the Communist Party.

amerpundit on November 29, 2010 at 6:09 PM

“New Wikileaks docs revealed: China open to Korean reunification?”

That’s nice. Free or Commie?

GFW on November 29, 2010 at 6:10 PM

(but it probably will to Pyongyang)

The United States notified Sweden, I’m sure.

amerpundit on November 29, 2010 at 6:12 PM

The thing to remember is that the Chinese always play a deep game.

hillbillyjim on November 29, 2010 at 6:15 PM

“South Korea would go broke funding a reunified Korea.”

I don’t think so. But it’s a process that could take 50 years if not a hundred. It would be about like German reunification, which hasn’t destroyed the German economy.

Steven Den Beste on November 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM

I think it would be successful, but East Germany was a modern marvel compared to North Korea. The North will take decades to catch up to the South if reunification did happen.

What reason is there to believe that, faced with a Chinese embargo and total social collapse, the North Korean military would opt to reunify instead of to go out fighting?

Retiring comfortably with South Korean style benefits? If there ever is peaceful reunification North Korean officers will be given giant retirement benefits. Sort of a bribe. Korean reunification will not happen like German reunification did.

NotCoach on November 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM

Rumor Confirmed: Obama Traded Missle Shield for Russian Help With Iran That Never Appeared
—Gabriel Malor
In May 2009, rumors surfaced that President Obama was planning to leave several European countries exposed to Russian ambition if Russia would agree to help keep nukes out of Iran.

Rumors confirmed: according to the Wikileaks cables, Obama proposed a trade — he would cancel the Polish missile shield if Russia would support sanctions for Iran.

The whistle blowing web site, publishing diplomatic cables and other documents via The New York Times, the Guardian (UK) and other media outlets, show that George Bush’s anti-missile shield plan to station 10 interceptor rockets in Poland not far from the Kaliningrad (Russia) border and a radar system in the Czech Republic was seen as an obstacle by Washington in getting tougher sanctions against Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
The diplomatic cables show that the US believes that Iran has already received missiles from North Korea which could threaten western Europe.

The missile shield was officially canceled in September 2009. Shortly thereafter President Obama met with President Medvedev who came out of the meeting conceding “in some cases, sanctions are inevitable.”

A diplomatic victory for Obama? Not remotely. Less than a month later, Russia reversed itself and declared that “[t]hreats, sanctions and threats of pressure in the current situation, we are convinced, would be counterproductive.” After the US and the EU imposed tough penalties on Iran in September of this year, Russia immediately condemned the sanctions regime and started finding ways to undermine it.

Obama sold out our allies to Russia for a bill of goods.

Slightly OT, but still Wiki.

HT: AOSHQ

Wethal on November 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM

So, is China hoping for an all out Korean bride raid or something?

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 6:19 PM

Steven Den Beste on November 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM

It depends on what assumptions you use. Rand said $ 125 Billion to $ 3 Trillion in 2000 dollars, according to this: Straddling Economics and Politics
Cross-Cutting Issues in Asia, the United States, and the Global Economy By: Charles Wolf, Jr.

NaCly dog on November 29, 2010 at 6:20 PM

Taiwan for Nork?

faraway on November 29, 2010 at 6:21 PM

The thing to remember is that the Chinese always play a deep game.

hillbillyjim on November 29, 2010 at 6:15 PM

no, the thing to remember is China has it’s little finger in just about every one of our enemies backsides… and yet hasn’t said a peep.

Who is the puppet master?

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 6:21 PM

No way, they will go out fighting. That’s how Korean people are. Couple their natural Nationalism with the North Koreans sick and twisted worship of “Dear Leader”, they will choose death before anything else. I thought most of these people were faking their loyalty to Kim Jung-il but I fear not. They have been brain washed for far too long. I fear most of these people really do believe Kim is their God and can do no wrong. Remember how they reacted in mass when Kim Sung-il died?

jawkneemusic on November 29, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Fall guys in Beijing need better PR

BEIJING – China is on the spot. Whenever North Korea creates a problem, Beijing is implicated. That’s the pattern. The latest incident of North Korea’s shelling of the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong and the ensuing tension on the Korean Peninsula is not an exception. The finger was quickly pointed at China, which is widely seen as turning a blind eye to North Korean provocation.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/LK30Ad03.html

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:23 PM

Update: Are Khamenei’s days numbered? Huge news if it’s true, but it probably isn’t.

Khamenei probably used the same doctor as the Lockerbie Scotland bomber.

portlandon on November 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM

70% Support Military Action Against N.Korea
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Nearly 70 percent of the South Koreans support limited military actions in response to North Korea’s shelling. This contrasts with the mood in April, after North Korea sank the Cheonan, when less than 30 percent said they support military action. >> Full Text
November 30, 2010

http://english.chosun.com/

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM

Hearing this news…

… and knowing that Bozo the Clown is our Commander in Chief, is not doing my indigestion any good.

Seven Percent Solution on November 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM

N. Korea’s naval bases and artillery deployments in the Yellow Sea(Graphics)
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http://app.yonhapnews.co.kr/YNA/Basic/ArticleEnglish/ArticleGraphic/YIBW_GraphicView.aspx?contents_id=GYH20101124000600320

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:31 PM

If it’s true and Khamenei is secretly on his last legs, then things in Iran are about to get very interesting very quickly.

Too bad that is had to be wikileaks that may be giving off this impression.

I would love to see Ahmadinejad fall on his face before anything big happens.

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 6:32 PM

Wethal on November 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM

We knew this would happen all along

ConservativePartyNow on November 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM

To quote you earlier Allah Wikileaks isnt anti establishment or anti war. Its an anti American site pure and simple.

William Amos on November 29, 2010 at 6:35 PM

The head rop guy in iran has ca? So did that guy that killed hundreds that is still alive after some year or so. Are these little darlings coming to America for treatment so they live longer? My, I am having a problem with this whole thing is in full mode.
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letget on November 29, 2010 at 6:36 PM

He compared it to microchipping animals like horses.

I’d prefer the Snake Plissken implants instead.

tommylotto on November 29, 2010 at 6:37 PM

One Free Korea
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Links galore!

http://www.freekorea.us/2010/04/30/hankyoreh-experts-north-korea-sank-the-cheonan-but-its-still-south-koreas-fault

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:37 PM

John Brennan’s response: “Horses don’t have good lawyers.”

Hahaha! It’s so funny how we’re fighting a war in a courtroom and won’t fight terrorists because some hack lawyer funded by anti-American elements objects.

amerpundit on November 29, 2010 at 6:38 PM

• South Korea’s vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul’s control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing…

If Asshat jeopardized the freedom of the subjects of the NoKo police state, there is no punishment enough for him. He should meet the same fate as the Iranian nuclear “scientists.”

pedestrian on November 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Me thinks,IAHOLYNUTJOB should be on a
list for the Death Panel!!

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Ronery.

SurferDoc on November 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM

“as long as Korea was not hostile to china”–The enemy of my enemy is my friend,until he gets Nukes.

DDT on November 29, 2010 at 6:39 PM

Lieane Sawyer is fretting something fierce over the leaks.

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 6:40 PM

If China is open to an elimination of the North Korean state, then China should be open to supporting war against the North Korean state by opening a northern front should war break out.

Skandia Recluse on November 29, 2010 at 6:42 PM

Lieane Sawyer is fretting something fierce over the leaks.

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 6:40 PM

Switched to Brett’s round table discussion. Screw Lieane, tv was on ABC when I switched it on.

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 6:43 PM

Has anyone seen what the Left’s blogs are saying as it relates to the info on GITMO? GITMO was the symbol of how far away we’ve drifted as a country from our “values”, and Obama was going to remedy that. Not only has he demonstrated his inability to close GITMO as he promised, but now it’s known that there was never any real plan for GITMO from the start, and that Obama was willing to use these “innocent” men as pawns for diplomatic privileges. Way to get us back to our “values”, progressives.

Weight of Glory on November 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Meanwhile………the Ka-Blewy in Iran……..

29 November 2010
Iran accuses CIA and Mossad of killing nuclear scientists

It was again reported today that Iranian nuclear scientists are being killed.
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An Iranian nuclear scientist has been killed and another wounded in two separate but similar attacks in the capital, Tehran. The scientists were targeted by men on motorcycles who attached bombs to the windows of their cars as they drove to work, officials said. The scientist killed was Majid Shahriari, a member of the nuclear engineering faculty at Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran.

http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2010/11/iran-accuses-cia-and-mossad-of-killing.html

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

They must have a helluva cancer cure or treatment regimen keeping all these cancer stricken terrorists alive, huh?

catmman on November 29, 2010 at 6:46 PM

Mara thinks Hillary should be the mouth to do damage control on this instead of B. Hussein 0bama.
Since it came from State.

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Why hasn’t Mara been fired by NPR like Juan was?
Oh, wait…

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

So, is China hoping for an all out Korean bride raid or something?

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 6:19 PM

You just nailed it right there. This is the Chinese safety valve for growing social unrest right here. Dear Leader (Kim, not Obozo) is in a very precarious position at this point.

KMC1 on November 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Has anyone seen what the Left’s blogs are saying as it relates to the info on GITMO?

Weight of Glory on November 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM

Weight of Glory:No,but I can imagine!:)
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… Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama,

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:51 PM

From Allah’s last update:

No reporting on documents about North Korea until November 29, no reporting on documents about U.S. banks until November 30, etc.

That’s the first I’ve heard about financial institutions being a part of this. Hmmmmm

Weight of Glory on November 29, 2010 at 6:52 PM

You just nailed it right there. This is the Chinese safety valve for growing social unrest right here. Dear Leader (Kim, not Obozo) is in a very precarious position at this point.

KMC1 on November 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM

Oh there is a heck more to it than that. Brides for the single men of China is just a bonus. I remember reading an article about how NoKo and China had a little “mountain” in which was filling up with interesting items… I have never found that article again.

I will be honest. I am more worried about China then any other country. They not only have our balls, but many other countries as well.

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM

Weight of Glory:No,but I can imagine!:)
canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:51 PM

Heh.

Weight of Glory on November 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Over at ZeroHedge, I’ve found this write up on the US bank implications that AP referred to:

It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume….For this, there’s only one similar example. It’s like the Enron emails. Why were these so valuable? When Enron collapsed, through court processes, thousands and thousands of emails came out that were internal, and it provided a window into how the whole company was managed. It was all the little decisions that supported the flagrant violations.
This will be like that. Yes, there will be some flagrant violations, unethical practices that will be revealed, but it will also be all the supporting decision-making structures and the internal executive ethos that cames out, and that’s tremendously valuable.

Weight of Glory on November 29, 2010 at 7:02 PM

Here are some intercepts on Korea
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US embassy cables: China urged to stop shipment of missile parts for Iran

1. (S) URGENT ACTION REQUEST: IN SEPTEMBER DURING THEIR MEETING AT THE APEC SUMMIT IN SYDNEY AUSTRALIA, PRESIDENT BUSH DISCUSSED WITH CHINESE PRESIDENT HU STRONG CONCERNS RELATING TO THE ONGOING TRANSSHIPMENT VIA BEIJING OF KEY BALLISTIC MISSILE PARTS FROM NORTH KOREA TO IRAN’S MISSILE PROGRAM. PRESIDENT BUSH PLEDGED TO RESPOND TO PRESIDENT HU’S REQUESTS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. EMBASSY SHOULD ON NOVEMBER 3 AT THE MOST EFFECTIVE LEVEL POSSIBLE, DELIVER THE NON-PAPER IN PARA 8 WHICH RELATES TO SPECIFIC, TIME- SENSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT AN IMMINENT TRANSSHIPMENT. IN ADDITION, AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY POST SHOULD DELIVER THE NON-PAPER IN PARA 9 TO MFA AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL POSSIBLE, PREFERABLY BY THE AMBASSADOR SINCE THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO PRESIDENTIAL-LEVEL DISCUSSIONS.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/128567

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 7:03 PM

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 6:51 PM
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Heh.

Weight of Glory on November 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM

Weight of Glory:)

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 7:04 PM

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM

I don’t know the article your refering to, but I do agree with you that there is more than just the bride situation, although I think we can all certainly see how that fits into the picture.
But at the same time, as you mention China is the World’s new true Superpower and they know it. Financially and militarily they are supreme. They likely recognize that they don’t need to fear anyone right now. Put these two things together and why would they want the NK’s bumbling around making a mess of things?
I am not scared of China, in the sense that I’m worried about them actually invading the U.S. and all that jazz. I seriously don’t ever see anything like that happening ever. I would say though, they WE really need to rethink our positions regarding Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Those three countries have a LOOOOONG history with China – and absolutely NONE OF IT is any of our business. When China decides to reclaim Taiwan, are we seriously going to come to their aid?? Of course not. And in regards to Japan, they are the most xenophobic people on the planet next to Muslims – so why in the hell are we even in concert with them anyway?? They don’t like us. They don’t want us there. Hell, they don’t want ANYONE who is not Japanese there. So when China decides to repay them for some of their “transgressions” (a la WWII and the rape of Nanking) are we seriously going to come to their aid? Probably, because of the trade relationship we have – but should we??? NO. IT IS NOT OUR WAR. We need to be taking care of ourselves first and foremost. After China absorbs Japan and Taiwan, those who survive will still be there making our cars, transistors, sneakers and the like, just as they are now. They’ll just have “Made in China” on the outside of the boxes.

KMC1 on November 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM

Wikilinks doesn’t bother me nearly as much as WeakyAmerica.

We make all these classified documents available to Army Privates. NoKo commits acts of war on its neighbor and we call for more talks. Saudi Arabia remains the largest source of money for Al Qaeda, even as it begs us to attack Iran.

Here’s a clue: don’t give access to secrets to anybody who looke like Howdy Doody.

flataffect on November 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM

Wethal on November 29, 2010 at 6:18 PM
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We knew this would happen all along

ConservativePartyNow on November 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM

ConservativePartyNow:No joke,suspicions confirmed!

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 7:09 PM

So there is absolutely nothing critical of Obama in any of these released documents?

sharrukin on November 29, 2010 at 7:14 PM

Monday, November 29, 2010
Wiki Gossip
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Hot dossier spillage prompted Great Satan to hello her friends to gird their loins – and now we know why!

Great Satan tried to snatch from Pakistani research reactor uranium that could be used in a nuclear device

Saudi donors are chief al Qaeda financiers
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http://greatsatansgirlfriend.blogspot.com/2010/11/wiki-gossip.html

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 7:14 PM

From last night’s thread on regime change in Korea:

is keeping things EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE NOW… Communist China DOES NOT WANT a unified Korea…

Khun Joe on November 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM

The Chinese aren’t going to help create a more powerful unified Korea on their border. They are not idiots and expecting them to act like naive twelve year old girls is a sure fire way of making a fool of US foreign policy.

sharrukin on November 28, 2010 at 5:22 PM

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From today’s revelations:

Again citing his conversations with [the officials], Chun said the PRC would be comfortable with a reunified Korea controlled by Seoul and anchored to the US in a ‘benign alliance’ – as long as Korea was not hostile towards China.

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I have to hand it to you boys… it’s one thing to be wrong.

It is something entirely different to be proven so wrong, so completely, and in such a short period of time.

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JohnGalt23 on November 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM

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BREAKING NEWS: Armed Student Holds Hostages in Classroom

MARINETTE, Wis. (AP) — An emergency management official in Wisconsin says an armed student has taken hostages inside a high school classroom in Marinette.

Marinette County emergency management director Eric Burmeister says a high school administrator called authorities after 3 p.m. Monday to say an armed student had burst into a classroom.

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-wisconsin-hostage-standoff-txt,0,7925674.story

canopfor on November 29, 2010 at 7:22 PM

JohnGalt23 on November 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM

Yeah cause unnamed sources are so trustworthy aren’t they?

I will wait until the Chinese actually send that signal in more obvious form.

sharrukin on November 29, 2010 at 7:23 PM

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Germany has nukes!

Apologetic California on November 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Evidently we’ve cut back quite a bit.

That in and of itself is valuable information to our enemies, make no mistake.

WitchDoctor on November 29, 2010 at 7:27 PM

O
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Germany has nukes!

Apologetic California on November 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Only for the last 50 years or so. They are under dual control of the US and Germany. Belgium, the Netherlands, I think Italy, and Turkey also have the same nuclear bunkers.

sharrukin on November 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM

Apologetic California on November 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Since 1952. Try and keep up.

BTW, Nukes in GE have always been under US control.

Did I miss a /s tag?

NaCly dog on November 29, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Taiwan for Nork?

faraway on November 29, 2010 at 6:21 PM

Good question!

ladyingray on November 29, 2010 at 7:30 PM

Taiwan for Nork?

faraway on November 29, 2010 at 6:21 PM

That would be my guess.

JohnGalt23 on November 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM

KMC1 on November 29, 2010 at 7:07 PM

The only thing I may disagree with is Taiwan.. and only due to one problem. The Phillippines. Being that they are so close together, it may not be feasible to not help them. But on Japan and China… I completely agree.

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 7:40 PM

Germany has nukes!

Apologetic California on November 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM

They are also next to Berlin.

upinak on November 29, 2010 at 7:43 PM

sharrukin on November 29, 2010 at 7:23 PM

Yeah cause unnamed sources are so trustworthy aren’t they?

Apparently, someone has a little trouble reading the post. I shouldn’t be all that surprised… clearly reading isn’t your strong suit. So I’ll highlight the pertinent passages, just so you can keep up…

South Korea’s vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul’s control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing

So, not only is the source of this cable named (a ROK vice-foreign minister even, a pretty important position in Korean foreign policy making), but the senior Chinese officials are also known to him and our State Department. And they hold a position in direct contradiction to claims you made less than 24 hours ago.

In case you missed it:

The two officials, Chun said, were ready to ‘face the new reality’ that the DPRK [North Korea] now had little value to China as a buffer state

Oh, and this one:

South Korean vice-foreign minister, Chun Yung-woo, told a US ambassador, Kathleen Stephens, that younger generation Chinese Communist party leaders no longer regarded North Korea as a useful or reliable ally and would not risk renewed armed conflict on the peninsula

Let me reiterate:

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Give up the ghost, sharrukin. You’re embarrassing yourself.

JohnGalt23 on November 29, 2010 at 7:47 PM

The more I see what was leaked and exposed via Wiki-Leaks, the more that this is all a crock of hype. What sane person would not already be having the same thoughts and discussions.

Almost everything exposed is a “DUHHHHH” moment.

Much ado about nothing.

Kermit on November 29, 2010 at 7:52 PM

Y’all do know all this smashes any chances Hillary had to primary Obama, right?

SouthernGent on November 29, 2010 at 7:55 PM

The leaks–who cares?

Why do I find myself unmoved by, unworried by, and uninterested in the unprecedented leak of 250,000 State Department cables to a left-wing group which has now given them to prominent left-wing newspapers for publication? I think it’s because of a sense I have that the world in general, and U.S. foreign policy in particular, is already so topsy turvy that the leaks can hardly matter.

Luka on November 29, 2010 at 7:58 PM

JohnGalt23 on November 29, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Holy Pot Calling the Kettle Black, Batman!

Ha

ha.

hillbillyjim on November 29, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Apologetic California on November 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM

Maybe this will make you feel better. Bush 1 authorized the shipment of 50 tons of plutonium to Japan in 1993. In 2005 the Japanese government reported to the IAEA it had 43 tons of plutonium. In 2009 it was completing a nuclear fuel processing plant reported to be the second largest in the world. In 2010 Japan has 54 operating nuclear facilities.

Do you think Japan sat on it’s hands and did play a little with the stuff?

Good for them.

Limerick on November 29, 2010 at 8:06 PM

Limerick on November 29, 2010 at 8:06 PM

correction 1992

Limerick on November 29, 2010 at 8:07 PM

According to Business Insider, Assange claims that the next dump will reveal much info re a major US bank. The link below includes an interview with Forbes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-next-wikileaks-will-be-about-a-major-bank-2010-11

onlineanalyst on November 29, 2010 at 8:16 PM

“Turns out the feds are very eager to have foreign countries take prisoners being held at Gitmo and foreign countries are very reluctant to take them. Among the sweeteners offered to induce them: Money and meetings with Obama.”

..and if they refuse to take prisoners, Bammie will send Michelle for a visit!! That’ll teach them to mess with the USA!!

slickwillie2001 on November 29, 2010 at 8:38 PM

“South Korea would go broke funding a reunified Korea.”

I don’t think so. But it’s a process that could take 50 years if not a hundred. It would be about like German reunification, which hasn’t destroyed the German economy.

Steven Den Beste on November 29, 2010 at 6:08 PM

It would be far worse than the German reunification, unfortunately. The East Germans retained some semblance of normalcy in life (power, food, water, etc.), and were under the boot for a far shorter period of time.

NK has virtually no infrastructure outside of Pyongyang and its military installations, and the people are almost another generation beyond the East Germans were when it comes to having their heads filled with garbage.

If South Korea is ever pressed to unify, look for a large second wave of Korean immigration to the US.

alflauren on November 29, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Why would 300,000 North Koreans seek refuge in Red China when Seoul beckons? Wouldn’t this be like Mexicans stealing their way into Guatemala instead of California?

slickwillie2001 on November 29, 2010 at 8:41 PM

Any serious poker player in a high stakes game would shoot any peckerwood trying to expose his hand before the pot was claimed.

Assange = peckerwood.

profitsbeard on November 29, 2010 at 9:27 PM

Of course China is open to Korean reunification, by eliminating the South and branding the whole country in RED, COMMIE RED!

The Expert Knows

HAExpert on November 29, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Anyone who for a second believes China doesn’t have 100% control of NoKo is very naive. The little tyrant doesn’t take a good dump in the morning without Beijing’s approval.

angryed on November 29, 2010 at 9:49 PM

NK has virtually no infrastructure outside of Pyongyang and its military installations, and the people are almost another generation beyond the East Germans were when it comes to having their heads filled with garbage.

alflauren on November 29, 2010 at 8:40 PM

And most E. Germans never believed in the garbage. There was a lot of communication between E. Europe and the west.

North Koreans sadly have been so indoctrinated that they do believe it. There is practically no source of information for the average citizen that isn’t state propaganda. No books, magazines, TV, internet. Nothing. Anyone who was alive pre 1950 and old enough to know the truth is probably dead or over 60 years has also been indoctrinated to the point of forgetting.

Assimilating N. Koreans into S. Korea would be like assimilating millions of people that were stuck on a desert island for 60 years.

angryed on November 29, 2010 at 9:53 PM

I see no exit question in
AP’s post.
Thus, here’s mine.

“How many DPR K generals does it take to make
a war?”

Is this a joke Rickey Rove?

OkieDoc on November 30, 2010 at 1:24 AM