Irish take $90B bailout

posted at 10:15 am on November 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Ireland became the second EU nation to accept a bailout this year after fears that its banking sector would collapse.  Like Greece in the spring, Ireland will have to impose an austerity program and promise to tap its public-sector pension funds before accessing any further lines of credit.  And like Greece, Ireland can expect domestic discord and unrest from the terms of the $90 billion bailout, which may not solve their problem anyway:

Ireland on Sunday reached agreement with the International Monetary Fund and the European Union for an emergency bailout package worth $90 billion, a rescue meant to both shore up that nation’s buckling banks and confront investor fears that Dublin’s problems are spreading to other European nations.

By agreeing to the bailout terms, the cash-strapped government in Ireland will be given fresh resources to recapitalize its hard-hit banking sector. Saddled with bad loans from a U.S.-style real estate bust, Irish banks have come under enormous pressure, with fearful depositors pulling out billions in recent months.

But in return for the loans, Ireland was forced to pay a relatively hefty 5.8 percent interest rate, higher than the 5.2 percent charged to Greece for its $145 billion bailout. In addition, Ireland will need to slash billions from its budget to save cash and had to promise to tap $23 billion in reserves from its own pension funds before it accesses the new lifeline.

The tougher terms appeared to be a warning to other financially troubled nations in Europe that they would have to pay an increasingly higher price for help if they could not manage to restore market confidence on their own.

British MP Daniel Hannan hates to say “We told you so,” but the Tory notes that EU skeptics had warned for almost a decade that the influence of Brussels would result in disaster for Ireland:

Ireland’s collapse is a direct and immediate consequence of the euro. As early as 2001, Irish economists were warning that the boom was getting out of control, and that interest rates needed to go up. But, of course, therewere no Irish interest rates any more: There was only the European Central Bank. Its policy of cheap money was arguably excessive even for the core European economies; for Ireland, it amounted to catastrophically pro-cyclical monetary policy. A credit bubble was inflated; the bust, when it came, was commensurately painful. …

The credit crunch was just the beginning of Ireland’s euro-related troubles. Unable to devalue, the country suffered as the United Kingdom, its largest export market, gave itself a 25 percent competitive advantage.

Ireland’s position has now become calamitous: debt and unemployment are rising, prices and incomes are falling. GDP is down by an almost unbelievable 20 percent from peak. And here’s the really bad news: These problems will carry on for as long as Ireland is in the euro. Bailout or no bailout, Eire’s economy diverges cyclically and structurally from Continental Europe: Save by occasional and fleeting coincidence, its interest rates and exchange rates will always be wrong.

I traveled through Ireland in 2001, and can tell from personal experience that the EU was enormously popular at the time.  Hannan’s right about the economic differences between Ireland and the Continent, but the EU at the time had invested a lot of money in Ireland.  In one way, it was similar to Porkulus in that every project with EU funding had a big sign informing passersby about the origin of the cash behind the project, complete with the EU flag.

Hannan wants Ireland to join the Anglosphere economically, presuming that the UK doesn’t take the leap into the euro itself.  That may make sense on paper, but the Irish probably aren’t eager culturally to make themselves dependent on the English if they can move forward independently.  The “Celtic Tiger” was more than just the best economic period for Ireland in centuries; it was a chance to stand apart from the nation that conquered and oppressed them for almost a millenium.   I’d guess that the Irish would rather take their chances with Brussels over London even after this collapse, and that it would be political suicide to suggest otherwise in the Dáil.

Besides, the bailout has plenty of Anglospheric participation as it is.  The IMF will put up a third of the cash, which means that American taxpayers will almost certainly be contributing a substantial share of the money — as we did with Greece.


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It didn’t take long for Obama apologists to blame the sequester

Ed, the consensus of economists on Wall Street, long before the sequester became ‘permanent’, called for a .5 to 1 percent impact in GDP. And it took an expected hit on the unemployment rate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-gdp-impact-of-cuts-in-full-sequester-2013-1

You can’t have it both ways- a significant cut in government spending compressed into a shortened fiscal cycle- and continued growth in the labor market. If the economy had been growing at 3% to 4%, then trimming half a point from GDP would have far less impact on job growth. But when GDP was standing around 2.5%, the consequence of the sequester became far more dire.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Yesterday’s Reuters headline “Jobs up, good sign for economy”.

Today’s, no kidding “Weak job gains cast shadow on U.S. economic outlook

I hope they all spontaneously combust in the news, for dereliction of duty.

bayam, you are an eternall azz-kissing fool.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

And it took an expected hit on the unemployment rate.

How can the sequester take a hit on the March unemployment rate when it hasn’t even started yet?

sentinelrules on April 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Just for you, bayam.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

The sequester is not a cut in spending but a reduction in the increased spending for 2013.

bw222 on April 5, 2013 at 1:19 PM

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

You’re even dumber than most of us thought you were.

bw222 on April 5, 2013 at 1:20 PM

This from Richard Cohen, the otherwise Obama-azzlicker

So the $20,000 Obama is kicking back to the Treasury is a pittance that will not be missed. (What’s the difference between $789,674 and $769,674? Will the kids not go to camp? Is Hawaii out of the question for next summer? ) But 5 percent for someone making $100,000 is a different story. That’s five grand, and it well could be camp or a vacation. It is not chump change.

Obama was once poor –- although young and poor is not the same as old and poor –- so I know he can appreciate what that 5 percent can mean. The president was apparently responding to the symbolism of him living like a pasha while asking others to sacrifice. I understand. But his taking a wee haircut on his salary is just a PR stunt from the White House that’s more insulting than it is empathetic.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

The sequester is not a cut in spending but a reduction in the increased spending for 2013.

bw222 on April 5, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Relative to GDP? Not so impressive a comment from someone claiming their superior IQ.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

…the consequence of the sequester became far more dire.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

A shame that the Obama Campaign proposed it, pushed it, signed it into law and threatened to veto any efforts to undo it.

forest on April 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

bayam will suffocate, in Obama’s azz.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Obama owns the sequester.

Obama owns the Arab’spring’.

Obama owns the economy.

Obama owns the disaster which the land is under him.

Obama owns Obama’care’.

Own up, bayam, or combust, from hypocrisy alone.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Relative to GDP? Not so impressive a comment from someone claiming their superior IQ.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Do you honestly think that if the sequester didn’t affect hundreds of thousands of union jobs (and hence hundreds of millions of dollars worth of union dues), Obama would actually care?

sentinelrules on April 5, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Obama’s America

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:42 PM

bayam on April 5, 2013

…no brains…no ba11s…just babbling and braying again!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Do you honestly think that if the sequester didn’t affect hundreds of thousands of union jobs (and hence hundreds of millions of dollars worth of union dues), Obama would actually care?

sentinelrules on April 5, 2013 at 1:32 PM

I don’t know. But what I can tell you is that White House economists accurately expressed the concerns of Wall Street when it came to the real impact of the sequester, while other said there’s nothing to worry about here.

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery. And of course the sequester was never a real answer to fixing the deficit. This country has known for 50 years that a graying population was going to present a unique set of financial challenges, and our leadership continues to look past real entitlement solutions, divided by ideology and political posturing.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

This country has known for 50 years that a graying population was going to present a unique set of financial challenges, and our leadership continues to look past real entitlement solutions, divided by ideology and political posturing.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Our “leadership” is trying to get elected. The electorate will not stand for entitlement solutions. You’re not going to see any reform until after this whole thing crashes down around us.

But the Dems have figured out how to win over the electorate and they’ll be in charge from now on, so don’t worry too much.

happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM

So bayam, you think it’s the sequester?

Sorry. not seeing it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/weak-jobs-report-not-about-the-sequester-2013-4

It’d be nice to blame the sequester (the automatic spending cuts that started in March) but it doesn’t even appear to be about that.

But that’s probably not a good enough source… lets find a better one.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/sequestration-and-the-jobs-report/

The March jobs report came in much weaker than expected, with employers adding just 88,000 workers over the course of the month. Did sequestration – the $85 billion in mandatory budget cuts that Congress never managed to unwind, despite promises to the contrary – take a bite?

The short answer is no. At least according to the preliminary data, sequestration does not seem to be particularly at fault.

Please explain to me why the NY Times is unfairly choosing to give the sequester a pass.

gekkobear on April 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Well, you see, here is where I stronglydisagree with you. We are not on a precipice of recovery. Not when the economy is being held afloat by wave after wave after wave of Quantitative easing.

sentinelrules on April 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM

And if you think the jobs report was a shock to the market today just wait until earnings reports start rolling. I suppose the dimwitted liberals will blame poor earnings and forecasts on the sequester. Let’s face it, companies are getting by on the mantra of doing more with less and Obamacare definitely is a game changer on doing more with less.

Businesses in the real world are doing everything they can right now to reduce costs. It’s unfortunate that real people working in the real world are going to continue to lose jobs as businesses continue to do what is necessary to improve their profit.

rsherwd65 on April 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Ah, there’s the bayam we’ve come to know.

Steve Eggleston on April 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I don’t know. But what I can tell you is that White House economists accurately expressed the concerns of Wall Street when it came to the real impact of the sequester, while other said there’s nothing to worry about here.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

A broken clock has the correct time twice a day; that doesn’t mean it works. If you say every day that the Republicans are causing the horrible economy, the fact that the economy is horrible still doesn’t make you right. I know this is hard stuff, but seriously, let’s make some attempt at real cause and effect here.

As an example, please point to any 1000 jobs that were lost due to the sequester. As far as we’ve seen, the two biggest effects of the sequester are that American citizens can’t visit the White House and Sasha and Malia can’t go skiing… nevermind, make that the ONE big effect.

AJsDaddie on April 5, 2013 at 2:10 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I don’t think word means what you think it means.

happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I don’t think word means what you think it means.

happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

No, but I think bayam may have inadvertently come up with the single best description of the entire Obama economic policy: we’re about to go over the edge of the precipice of a recovery!

Yay precipice! Yay recovery! Remember, it takes US to spell Cyprus!!!

:)

AJsDaddie on April 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I don’t know.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

You can stop right there.

voiceofreason on April 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Your propaganda machine will be on eternal “recovery” or faux crises. They make them up as they need them.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM

…no brains…no ba11s…just babbling and braying again!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

…and always attempting to derail. Makes Axelturd proud.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Relative to GDP? Not so impressive a comment from someone claiming their superior IQ.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Oh look, his irrelevancy has made another appearance, after running away from RWM in another thread.

Such a lying little coward, Bayam.

ShadowsPawn on April 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

The ABC radio news reader reported as bad news that there were only 88k jobs created, but as good news that the unemployment rate had dropped to 7.6%. Seriously. I guess the best way to get out of this mess if for everybody to stop working so we can get the unemployment rate to 0.

Rumpole of the Bailey on April 5, 2013 at 3:27 PM

bayam will suffocate, in Obama’s azz.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Hehe. It’s fun to watch that tap dancing troll step in Obamas turds.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2013 at 3:35 PM

I don’t know.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

You can stop right there.

voiceofreason on April 5, 2013 at 2:18 PM

bayam tried posting the same link on one of the other threads here. My debunking of same:

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-gdp-impact-of-cuts-in-full-sequester-2013-1

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Wow, I’m impressed! An article written well before the sequester kicked in, and it’s full of…speculation.

Société Générale economists use a much lower fiscal multiplier – 0.5. when they apply that to the prospect of full sequestration, they get a much lower estimate

-snip-

Credit Suisse economists believe

-snip-

Wall Street economists seem to think

Doesn’t sound like Settled Science to me. Has the author, who looks young enough to be Paul Krugman’s great-grandson, written a followup piece to this shameless piece of Democrat Fear Mongering?

Still waiting for an answer, BTW.

Del Dolemonte on April 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Why is this….

The sequester is not a cut in spending but a reduction in the increased spending for 2013.

bw222 on April 5, 2013 at 1:19 PM

and this….

How can the sequester take a hit on the March unemployment rate when it hasn’t even started yet?

sentinelrules on April 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

so difficult to understand? One would have to be ridiculously dishonest to not even acknowledge that….

Obama owns the sequester.

Obama owns the Arab’spring’.

Obama owns the economy.

Obama owns the disaster which the land is under him.

Obama owns Obama’care’.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 1:26 PM

bayam

Oh….never mind.

98ZJUSMC on April 5, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I don’t know.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

The truth, shall set you free.

98ZJUSMC on April 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Isn’t business insider’s founder a crook who is not allowed to trade?

tom daschle concerned on April 5, 2013 at 5:32 PM

You can’t have it both ways- a significant cut in government spending…

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Stop right there sunshine.

The sequester wasn’t a cut in spending, let alone a “significant” cut. It was a small cut in EXPECTED spending. Correct that first and we’ll consider and discuss the rest of your points…

dominigan on April 5, 2013 at 5:33 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

There is no recovery. There is a precipice. Jump Lemming, Jump!

dominigan on April 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.

bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

It’s obvious Bayam doesn’t quite know what that word means.

HumpBot Salvation on April 5, 2013 at 5:36 PM

From a historical perspective, attempts to balance the budget don’t turn out so well when you’re still on the precipice of a recovery.
 
bayam on April 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

 
I don’t think word means what you think it means.
 
happytobehere on April 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

 
Add it to the list:
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/27/sebelius-well-yeah-actually-obamacare-is-causing-insurance-premiums-to-rise/comment-page-2/#comment-6835759
 
OBAMA 2013!

rogerb on April 5, 2013 at 9:19 PM

“So you want a job that you expect us to train you to do, but, if we can’t pay you what you want you will stay on unemployment?” This was something one of my managers asked an applicant applying for an unskilled minimum wage job.

As a business owner most people have no idea how many people we’ve had to hire, then fire, just to get one that could perform the easiest tasks. People with a solid work ethic are getting harder and harder to find.
The nanny state, public school system and parents have done a pathetic job at preparing our children for adulthood. Too bad we didn’t create positions for couch potatoes.

kregg on April 6, 2013 at 7:48 AM

All of our best jobs are being offshored. Thanks to both the Republicans and Democrats. Entry level jobs are being swallowed up by illegals. Young people can’t get any work experience as a result. Thanks to both Republicans and Democrats.

Darvin Dowdy on April 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM

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