Dean: We need to sanction TV guests through the Fairness Doctrine, or something

posted at 10:55 am on November 29, 2010 by Ed Morrissey

Behold the most incoherent statement from Howard Dean since his famous “Yeargh!” in Iowa, and that’s saying something. The Blaze clips the audio of a Dean appearance from almost two months ago, when the audience asks what he would do about the media. The answer encapsulates the worst of elitism by presuming that everyone (with the exception of those outside the auditorium, natch) were ignorant masses easily manipulated by Fox News. Dean proposes a solution to the “level of ignorance” that unintentionally reveals his own ignorance of the solution Dean himself proposes:

Well, the argument on the 17th Amendment that Dean laughs off is usually framed in a proposal for repeal. That’s not exactly unprecedented; the very next amendment banned liquor manufacturing, sale, and transportation, and was repealed 14 years later.  The Constitution itself contains the mechanisms for amendments, which are a perfectly legitimate process — much more so than, say, having a panel of unelected officials reading emanations from penumbras to discover rights that are never mentioned at all in the document.   Regardless of whether repealing the 17th Amendment is a good idea or not, its advocates at least understand the Constitution and its amending process better than Dean does.

The same can be said for the Fairness Doctrine, the solution Dean proposes to force Fox (and MSNBC, Dean adds as an afterthought) to give heterodox guests a chance to appear on their shows.  Fox actually does that better than either CNN or MSNBC, but that’s not the point.  The Fairness Doctrine had little to do with guests on broadcast shows.  It forced broadcasters to grant exactly equal time to all points of view on politics, a burden so cumbersome that most broadcasters simply refused to air political discussion at all.

In fact, there’s a serious question whether the FCC could enforce such a rule on Fox News Channel or MSNBC anyway.  Those are not broadcast stations governed by FCC licensing, but satellite channels that do not occupy “public airwaves” in the same sense that local TV and radio broadcasters do.  The effect of the restoration of the FD would be mainly on AM radio, which would revert almost at once to the wasteland it threatened to become in the 1980s.  Political talk would simply move to satellite radio, cable and satellite TV, and the Internet.

When Dean speaks of ignorance, it’s about the only topic here on which he’s expert.


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The psychology behind the Fairness Doctrine is simply that opposing views disturb liberals.

Paul-Cincy on November 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Keep talking, Howard, right through 2012. You’re an asset to the conservative cause.

Drained Brain on November 29, 2010 at 10:58 AM

Why doesn’t an Air America or other independant group implement a fairness-doctrine-based program format? If they think it’s so wonderful and all.

Paul-Cincy on November 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM

What a turd…

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Why is Acorn advertising at HA? I am on a public computer without AdBlock.

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM

And this is just one of a mirade of reasons why Howard Dean should never be permitted under any circumstances to hold any public office, and that includes Dog Catcher.

pilamaye on November 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM

The idea that we could have 50% of the talking heads on CBS, NBC, and ABC, conservative, is rather enticing…

Blake on November 29, 2010 at 11:04 AM

No surprise here, the bedrock of liberalism is totalitarianism.

Rebar on November 29, 2010 at 11:06 AM

And to think this feller was once a serious candidate for POTUS. Scary thought.

Rovin on November 29, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Anybody want to ask constitutional expert Howard Dean what part of the Constitution empowers people like him to decide what pundits the rest of us get to hear?

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Ever since his on stage melt down – Dean has become more and more unstable and more and more liberal.

I think he is so bitter at his political down fall – he has lost his mind.

jake-the-goose on November 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM

The Fairness Doctrine had little to do with guests on broadcast shows. It forced broadcasters to grant exactly equal time to all points of view on politics, a burden so cumbersome that most broadcasters simply refused to air political discussion at all.

Actually, though I hate the very penumbra of the memory of the “Fairness” Doctrine,” as I recall it only amounted to giving some crank sixty seconds to rant on TV right before sign-off, not “exactly equal time.”

Remember sign-off?

This doesn’t account for its chilling effect, especially on talk radio which was previously devoted to recipes, pet care and gardening to avoid giving offense.

Akzed on November 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM

Does anyone understand what his point about the 17th and 14th amendments? Is he trying to say Tea Partiers are unaware of direct election of Senators or black citizenship? Or that they are aware of these things but don’t like them? What?

Clark1 on November 29, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Some pundits (specifically Roger Simon at Politico) have contemplated Dean challenging Obama in 2012.

“Yeargh!” indeed. I’ll pop the popcorn for that one. LOL

Fallon on November 29, 2010 at 11:12 AM

Needs either Lithium or Decaf.

SurferDoc on November 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM

Hello?

SurferDoc on November 29, 2010 at 11:14 AM

I’m listening to the clip, and now I’m worried. Ed posts here, I’ve been reading his stuff for years, and I don’t even know … let me just come out and ask. Ed, are you a “sanctioned human being”? Howard thinks it’s important that you are. If you aren’t, then, please, get your act together.

Paul-Cincy on November 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM

Why be so charitable to call this “ignorance” or “incoherence”? Is it even logical to assume Dean is ignorant or incoherent, either by objective evidence of his background or by analysis of his partisan remarks over the years? Why this automatic assumption?

It is neither ignorant nor incoherent. It is intentional, malicious dissembling; it is sinister bad faith; it is incipient fascism. In the strictest sense, Dean’s remarks represent the application of “intelligence” and toward a coherent and malign end.

Again and again I see among the Right a kind of determined refusal to ascribe intention to the Left, or a determination to confuse ignorance and intention.

This has got to stop.

rrpjr on November 29, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Argh.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM

“You should believe what we tell you”

search4truth on November 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Foxophobia!!

Khun Joe on November 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Clark1 on November 29, 2010 at 11:12 AM

I think he was trying to get at the birthright citizenship/anchor baby issue with the 14th reference, although that’s not a central issue with the Tea Party. I Really don’t know what he was talking about on the 17th.

Let’s ask the soon to be silenced Prarie Dog Pundit.

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Well then if all the “ignorant” information moved to cable, sat and internet, Big Brother would simply have to find a means to control them too.

Americans can’t be trusted with too much of the wrong sort of news, better that the left controls the flow and keeps us from being corrupted.

Bishop on November 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM

Funny how liberal legislation almost always has the total opposite effect and desire of their stated goals. Freedom to choose = abortion, stimulus = stagnation, TARP = bailouts, fairness doctrine = stifling free speech etc. etc.

fourdeucer on November 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM

Always remember this: He is just. A man.

That’s all. Nothing more, nothing less. A man.

He makes his poop in the morning, puts on his undies and socks and his tie and his jacket. And he is just. A man.

Argh. Or something.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:19 AM

This has got to stop.
rrpjr on November 29, 2010 at 11:16 AM

Yep, agree fully. This writing-off of the incipient fascism of the left by conservatives as some sort of benign goofiness has to end. The left is saying what they mean and meaning what they say, and they are who we know them to be.

Bishop on November 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM

fourdeucer on November 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM

They are men. Better than you. Right?

/Argh. Or something.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Anybody want to ask constitutional expert Howard Dean what part of the Constitution empowers people like him to decide what pundits the rest of us get to hear?

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Constitutional Professor Obama will back him up on that.

cartooner on November 29, 2010 at 11:22 AM

So it seems a thread has stopped.

AS if men re-measured themselves; re-examined themselves and asked the question that begs: What makes YOU better than I?

/Lets go now, to John Kerry. Mister Kerry? What makes you a better man than most?

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Anybody want to ask constitutional expert Howard Dean what part of the Constitution empowers people like him to decide what pundits the rest of us get to hear?

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Be careful there, Forest. It is quite possible that the ONLY thing that makes Mister Dean a constitutional scholar is his choice of toilet paper. If the toilet paper comes in bulk to your Estate/Mansion and if the banner on the plastic says “Constitutional” toilet paper?

Why, that makes all of us Constitutional Scholars, shant it not?

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Chaos, confusion, disruption, turmoil. Grievances, poverty, anarchy, anger. Disrupt, dismantle, disparage, dismay. Oh what he gets when he gets his way.

Key West Reader on November 28, 2010 at 5:22 PM

They are men. Better than you. Right?

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:20 AM

Yes they are better at all the things you posted yesterday, that was a brilliant post and applies to most of the liberals and what they excel in.

fourdeucer on November 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Well, toilet paper is of or related to interstate commerce, so I guess they can do whatever the hell they want to us.

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM

When Dean a Liberal speaks of ignorance, it’s about the only topic here on which he’s they’re expert experts.

Fixed.

GrannyDee on November 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM

I do not get the libs mantra about Fox news “making things up”. What are they talking about specifically?

ctmom on November 29, 2010 at 11:29 AM

I love how lead with his attack that FOX news is propaganda and lies. It’s ballsy because that line is in fact propaganda and a lie. If FOX news was so blatantly propaganda and lies then he would always throw out a litany of fact to back up his claim. If FOX was as bad as they want their followers to believe then they should be listing dozens of examples to back up their opinion of FOX. FOX has 20 hours (I think) of new broadcasts every day. If they truly are the lying lairs Dean and others desperately want people to think they are then backing that up should be easy. They should be able to list dozens of RECENT lies when challenged – and they should be challenged more. They should even welcome the chance. Instead they rely on the “If you don’t know, I’m not going to tell you” defense. They want (need!) their followers to believe that their criticism is SO true and SO obvious that it is beyond the need to fact and evidence to prove it’s validity. You’re a rube to even question their FOX bashing!!!

In this statement from Dean about the media it is Dean who lies to his audience and preys on their ignorance and bias. As usual, a liberals accusation against others says more about the liberal than anything. They almost ALWAYS seem to be guilty of exactly what they accuse others of doing.

Ampersand on November 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM

Forget the 17th Amendment, Dean wants to repeal the FIRST Amendment and that little freedom of speech thingy.

force Fox (and MSNBC, Dean adds as an afterthought) to give heterodox guests a chance to appear on their shows.

Maybe a little O/T, but Fox&Friends had a guest on this morning from Free Thought, who was complaining that some town wanted to ban her Tree of Knowledge next to the Christmas tree. The F&F people gave her a tongue-in-cheek friendly interview without asking any tough questions, with Doocy making some comment at the end about giving her “equal time with the birth of the Savior”.

Hey, she’s trying to bring back the Garden of Eden–all that’s missing is Adam and Eve without their fig leaves and a nice, pretty snake! Wouldn’t Wowie Howie (and AllahPundit) want equal time for her on Fox?

Steve Z on November 29, 2010 at 11:33 AM

Whether judged by appearance, his manner, or his words, the man has a diseased mind. And instead of being ostracized, he regularly appears as a spokesman for The Left.

This speaks volumes on several levels.

ontherocks on November 29, 2010 at 11:35 AM

Yes Howie is a wackball, but let’s pray he joins the primary against Bammie next year, or better yet runs as an independent against him from the left. That would be wondrous, perhaps worthy of a Limbaugh-like scheme for conservatives to vote for him in a primary.

slickwillie2001 on November 29, 2010 at 11:36 AM

I love how lead with his attack that FOX news is propaganda and lies. It’s ballsy because that line is in fact propaganda and a lie.

I’ve learned to see blatant projection in their attacks, often “strike it and reverse it” to get to the truth.

It is neither ignorant nor incoherent. It is intentional, malicious dissembling; it is sinister bad faith; it is incipient fascism.

Nicely said. Agree.

Fallon on November 29, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Howard should plead the 21st Amendment next time he gets in trouble. It would explain a lot of his statements.

jon1979 on November 29, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Why not just implement Human Rights Tribunals where the government will pay the legal costs for anyone offended and people can just bring those people appearing on FoxNews who offend them in front of the tribunals?

Or it’s too bad liberals are against guns. They could just put snipers in Fox Studios and off those with offending opinions.

Canadian Infidel on November 29, 2010 at 11:38 AM

His comments about the 17th and 14th amendments were just throw-away. He pulled them out of thin air to sound sophisticated. The fact is, Dean is an idiot, and it’s rather frightening to think he’s an MD. Anyone here care to have him practice medicine on them?

“Sanctioned human beings?” Who does the sanctioning? A doctor, like him? And just what does he mean by that?

av8tr on November 29, 2010 at 11:39 AM

I think Dean has an air leak somewhere.

tarpon on November 29, 2010 at 11:42 AM

Yes they are better at all the things you posted yesterday, that was a brilliant post and applies to most of the liberals and what they excel in.

fourdeucer on November 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Be. Prepared.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Well, toilet paper is of or related to interstate commerce, so I guess they can do whatever the hell they want to us.

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Uhhh. No.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM

Canadian Infidel on November 29, 2010 at 11:38 AM

Good point. And didn’t something like this already take place in Canada with “tribunals” against Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant?

Forms of this already take place at American colleges with “hate speech” proceedings.

To think this would not be part and parcel of the continuing evolution of liberal government is dangerously naive.

rrpjr on November 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Wasn’t Josef Mengele a doctor too?

lilium on November 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM

A man. With a loud mouth. Mounts a stage and a lecturn.

A man. Just a man. Proceeds to tell you what he thinks you need to know.

A man. Just a man. Portends to be so much smarter than you. He is wealthy, but that’s all.

A man. Steps up on a stage. And tells you he will be your leader.

A man. Who takes off his pants at night. Goes to the bathroom at night. Gets up. Washes his hair, just like you.

This man says he is better than you.

Why?

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Dean’s comment is so stupid that when I read it to my extremely liberal husband – his response was “What an a$$hole.”

katiejane on November 29, 2010 at 11:51 AM

rrpjr on November 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Yes, we have them here. Another reason to be leaving this socialist hellhole.

In my small town, there are actually large painted pictures every 100 meters on the streets showing people which direction they should be riding their bikes. I came back from Korea not realising our people had become so stupid in my absence.

Canadian Infidel on November 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM

@ OmahaConservative, 11:01 AM, 11/29…

That “Acorn” has a disclaimer at the web site ['About Us' page]; not part of, and no connection with Obie’s Acorn Army.
IMHO they should change their name; probably miss out on sales just because of the name.

GGMac on November 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Blowhard!

jeanie on November 29, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Why does this man think he is better than you?

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Did somebody ask him what he would do about the media? Who asks questions like that?

And, who’s he calling a “flooze”/”flooz”? I could only find it in the Urban Dictionary, “Meant to denote promiscuous or loose behavior, generally, on the part of a woman.”

Imagine if Sarah had uttered this word…

Fallon on November 29, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Not only are we going to take on Fox News, we’re going to take on Rush Limbaugh and Sean and Mark and Ann and Michelle, and we’re going to take on Ed and Allah … And we’re going to get rid of Ace and Jammie and John and Scott and Paul and then we’re going to get rid of Bill and Fred and Stephen and Jonathan and then we’re going to Washington, D.C., to take the White House back from Obama! Yeargh!

pain train on November 29, 2010 at 12:36 PM

Dean is an absolute moron.

rplat on November 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Wasn’t Josef Mengele a doctor too?

lilium on November 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM

Ouch!

Unlike the left, the right welcomes free speech… if the right ever, I mean ever, starts to utter the radical kind of stuff we are accused of, it will be the right that self-censors.

Dean should be persona non-grata after proposing government censorship, but no, he is a hero.

The possibility of liberty is only present in one of the political parties now.

Let the liberals just keep talking! And let people keep sending the clips to Beck, so we can all hear what exactly is being said.

Freedom of speech is a blessing when you are on the right side of history.

petunia on November 29, 2010 at 12:50 PM

Needs either Lithium or Decaf.

SurferDoc on November 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM

I was thinking “lobotomy”, but I tend to lean toward the old time remedies.

Extrafishy on November 29, 2010 at 12:54 PM

Dr Dean goes out of his way to prove that even ‘educated’ people with degrees – ARE STUPID.

GarandFan on November 29, 2010 at 1:07 PM

What a commie schmuck!

MCGIRV on November 29, 2010 at 1:26 PM

IMHO they should change their name; probably miss out on sales just because of the name.

GGMac on November 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM

Exactly. I just can’t see 0′s Acorn crowd showing interest in a Leatherbound Pocket-Size US Constitution.

OmahaConservative on November 29, 2010 at 1:28 PM

Look in your dictionary for the definition of a BIGOT: One who is intolerant of others. Liberalism is bigotry, a mental disorder that progresses to a mental state of no return. Dean reinforces that every time he opens his mouth.

volsense on November 29, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Spoken like a true commie, Howard.

Who decides the representatives of the “right”?

CNN thinks Kathleen Parker is “right-wing”. All during the 2008 campaign, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, David Frum, along with the Marxist MSM defined Barack Obama as a “centrist”, “moderate”, and “post-partisan”.

How about letting the public decide for themselves through the voluntary free market system?

DeathB4Tyranny on November 29, 2010 at 4:15 PM

Well, toilet paper is of or related to interstate commerce, so I guess they can do whatever the hell they want to us.

forest on November 29, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Uhhh. No.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM

It seems obvious they think they can do anything they want to us, so I’m sure you’re not arguing with that point. I think what you’re saying is that they can be stopped. I’m curious, just how do you think you can stop them? I don’t see a way. I can guarantee that there won’t be enough Americans (that would be us, the folks who let all this happen in the first place) who will be willing to back up your play. With that in mind, what’s your plan?

runawayyyy on November 29, 2010 at 6:48 PM

Always remember this: He is just. A man.

That’s all. Nothing more, nothing less. A man.

He makes his poop in the morning, puts on his undies
and socks and his tie and his jacket. And he is just. A man.

Argh. Or something.

Key West Reader on November 29, 2010 at 11:19 AM

I am not convinced of the order./snark

Slowburn on November 29, 2010 at 7:30 PM

When I picture this clown, I think of him under a bridge wearing a raincoat, naked legs, and doing the Napolean thing with hand inside coat, just a bit lower. If it ended up on YouTube, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit. Commie bastard. I’ll bet he was a sucky doctor too….

adamsmith on November 30, 2010 at 6:34 AM