The Mid-East Peace Process

posted at 5:00 pm on November 27, 2010 by Steven Den Beste

The term “peace process” is one I have come to despise. (I hate it even more than “exit strategy”.) This idea that American can find, or impose, some sort of peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians is a fantasy.

Jennifer Rubin says,

If there has been a less competent Middle East negotiating team, I can’t recall it.

They aren’t showering themselves in glory, that’s for sure. But I have to ask a deeper question: Why are we Americans even involved in this?

If both the Israelis and Palestinians truly want peace with each other, then they can negotiate an agreement without our help. And if they don’t both want peace, there isn’t anything we can do about the situation. That’s what the last 35 years of futile efforts on our part have shown. So why are we wasting our time like this?

President after president has sent negotiating teams to the two sides, and what have they accomplished? Not a thing. There has been change, but no fundamental improvement, and no peace.

The problem is the Palestinians. Deep down, the only peace they’ll accept is victory, where peace is attained through the destruction of Israel. As long as they continue to feel that way, peace isn’t attainable any other way. (And there’s no reason to believe that the Palestinians will ever gain the military capability to win against Israel.)

The way you’ll know that the Palestinians have finally gotten serious is when they abandon their demand for the “right of return”. As long as that’s one of their requirements for a peace treaty, there will be no peace treaty. It is the one concession Israel can and will never make, for it amounts to voluntary extinction for Israel as it exists now.

Until the Palestinians abandon that demand, negotiation is a waste of time, and American involvement in those negotiations is a fool’s quest.

But, alas, The One has been engaging in a lot of fool’s quests lately.

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The problem is the Palestinians.

Research the history of the so-called “palestinians”. They were never a nation, but the creation of Israel gave them a platform to milk the West. Peace would devastate their raison d’etre.

OldEnglish on November 27, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Steven,

Not knocking this post at all, but I sure wish you’d return to long-form essays. At the end of this piece, I’m just getting primed for a couple thousand more words that will keep me thinking into the evening.

greggriffith on November 27, 2010 at 5:13 PM

Well said. Exactly.

There was a line in Star Trek Voyager where the Captain was trying to negotiate a peace treaty with an alien species. The aliens opening remarks were “Death to all humans!” to which Tuvok commented “A difficult place to begin negotiations…”

But “Death to all Jews!” is essentially the Palestinians opening position from which they won’t back down. I hope to live to see the day where they are essentially pounded into submission. And the pounding should continue and be amplified until negotiations are concluded. Complete surrender or death needs to be the counter-offer.

Canadian Infidel on November 27, 2010 at 5:14 PM

“The term “peace process” is one I have come to despise. (I hate it even more than “exit strategy”.) This idea that American can find, or impose, some sort of peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians is a fantasy.”

..and as much as “compromise”, centrist government (when the Democrats has their a** handed to them), and the all-time stink bomb: “Reach across the aisle”.

Whose acronym is PSCRA or “Post Shellacking Compromise Reach Around”.

..think of the scene from Lawrence of Arabia where the guy charges into the retreating Turkish army column, brandishing a sword, yelling “No prisoners!!’

The War Planner on November 27, 2010 at 5:15 PM

The solution is a big middle finger to Barry, Hilary, Samantha Powers, Zbignew Brzinisky, Jimmeh, et al.

The law requires either a Knesset two-thirds majority or a national referendum to approve any peace deal involving the ceding of land that is part of sovereign Israel. Since a two-thirds Knesset majority in such a situation is well-nigh impossible, the legislation is already being called the “referendum law.”

elvis on November 27, 2010 at 5:18 PM

Repatriate them to Jordan where they belong. That is the best solution.

OmahaConservative on November 27, 2010 at 5:23 PM

per John Wayne “that’ll be the day”

kelley in virginia on November 27, 2010 at 5:25 PM

Once they are disarmed and resume being sheep for the slaughter and never rule over a Moslem again in Jerusalem, then the Jews will be allowed to live.THAT is Obama’s best offer…take it or leave it. Unless Palin beats him in 2012, the Jews are on their own.

jimw on November 27, 2010 at 5:38 PM

It seems to me that the Palestinians chose a ‘Two State’ solution for themselves when HAMAS took over Gaza.

Of course they must have TWO Palestines!

Still no luck on them figuring out how to make a Nation or two out of it… because they still don’t want all that heady responsibility of forming one all by their lonesome, just like the Israelis did. New land for a country is very hard to come by, these days, so perhaps someone might drop them a clue about this concept of a sovereign Nation State.

ajacksonian on November 27, 2010 at 5:41 PM

The cult of Islam requires 1.5 billion to destroy the Jews and create a world caliphate in a global jihad. They can draw from their 1.5 billion for the more active “radicals” to perform their terrorist actions ad infinitum. Until we realize that this is the enemy who declared war on us, we have no chance of winning.

The battle for the existence of Israel will likewise be lost as long as we continue to embrace the fairy tale of “negotiations”.

stonemeister on November 27, 2010 at 5:43 PM

If both the Israelis and Palestinians truly want peace with each other, then they can negotiate an agreement without our help.

…Like you said,it is well past time for any reasonable person to determine that the Palestinians do not want peace.

They are serving there purpose well…..as a lightning rod for Islamic nations to have a reason to destroy Israel.

Nothing in the Islamic teachings….statements from Islamic leaders….or the actions from Islamic nations, indicates that they want to co-exist with Israel.

Israel has existed this long because they have held a military advantage over their Islamic enemies.

Now that Iran is on the brink of a nuclear weapon…..Israel’s enemies will be emboldened like never before.

You would think that the International community would have learned from watching Hitler build up Germany’s army right in front of their faces…..

Baxter Greene on November 27, 2010 at 5:56 PM

It’s a waste of time and most Israelis know it. The Arabs will never accept two facts: 1. The Old City will never be given up by the Jews, and 2. there will never be any “right of return” to a political entity that no longer exists, i.e. the British Mandate of Palestine. Therefore, there is no reason to continue the charade. Even if Israel were to give the Arabs half of Israel and half of Jerusalem, it would not be enough and yet another round of “demands” would ensue.

Stop the insanity. Annex Judea and Samaria now and be done with it. The Arabs can be allowed to stay as long as they behave themselves. If they don’t, out they go.

The “international community” will be outraged. So what. The “international community, i.e. the European Union, is about to be bankrupt and defenseless. Who cares?

sdillard on November 27, 2010 at 6:06 PM

The right of return is an insane idea. After creating a brand new country for the Palestinians, they are going to ship off a few million Palestinians to another country. What sense does that make? If anything Israel should be shipping the Arabs in Israel to the new Palestinian country.

free on November 27, 2010 at 7:34 PM

What I can’t understand is why Netanyahu continues to cooperate with Obama on this farcial peace process. The article hits the nail on the head by stating that the basic condition for peace by the Palestinians is for Israel to self-destruct.

I hope Benjamin Netanyahu and his Cabinet can bring themselves to tell Obama to shove it. Tell him that settlement building will go on as planned and the Israel reserves the right to use all its weaponry, including nuclear, whenever the feel themselves to be threatened. And the last thing Netanyahu should ever do is to show up at the White House again, especially if he is hungry.

RUDYJ on November 27, 2010 at 7:50 PM

You’re right, of course, Steven. When aren’t you?
The problem this time is that we all know Zerobama is pro-Paleostinian and anti-Israel.
It’s just that simple, isn’t it?

At least we can all count on the Paleos to continue their love affair with jihad and jihadi terrorist murder, so at least they’re consistent.
(I still think GWB changed the conversation forever with the Road Map and exposed the Paleos for what they really are–murderers who do not want to live in peace with Jews.)

Jenfidel on November 27, 2010 at 7:52 PM

It has been said by many before, and by some even wiser than I: If Palestine disarms today, there will be peace in the Middle-East tomorrow; if Israel disarms today, there will be no Israel tomorrow.

This is the simple truth: Israel must continue to fight if a Jewish Homeland is to exist; The Palestinians can have their homeland if only they will put down their weapons.

Crusader Rabbit on November 27, 2010 at 8:12 PM

Never in recorded history has there ever been a “lasting peace” between two waring parties that was negotiated! Look at Korea, No victory still no peace..et all.

The only way this (or any) conflict will ever be solved is to let them fight it out till one side or the other is defeated and ‘asks’ for peace!!!
The world has always stopped Israel from achieving total victory in any of their war’s and so even today there is no peace.

jtpcamp on November 27, 2010 at 9:09 PM

The myth of “The Palestinians” is the humongous sock-puppet of Islamists seeking world-domination and the end of Jewry.

Don’t fret, Christians, Hindus, etc., you’re on the list too, just not the first one.

hillbillyjim on November 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM

“What I can’t understand is why Netanyahu continues to cooperate with Obama on this farcial peace process.”

This last time, Obama bribed him. He authorized immediate sale of some new combat jets to Israel in exchange for an additional 3 month building freeze.

Steven Den Beste on November 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM

Jennifer Rubin says,

If there has been a less competent Middle East negotiating team, I can’t recall it.

beside laughing at anyone thinking that Rubin is a person to look to for competence, let’s take a moment to remember McFarlane and those guys that Reagan sent to Iran carrying cake and bibles (and arms shipments) for those “moderates” in the Iranian theocracy that Reagan said we could work with.

audiculous on November 27, 2010 at 10:47 PM

No wonder that Den Beste is foolish enough to quote Jennifer Rubin…..

He’s farked-out enough to have written this pile of horse hockey……

Suppose we (the UK and US) do ignore all the pressure and last-minute finagling and do actually attack Iraq, which I think now is virtually certain.

Suppose we win, which is absolutely certain.

And suppose, once we’ve done so, and have occupied Iraq and have full (really full, not UN full) access to Iraq’s records and can truly find what they have, that we find that everything we’ve been saying about their WMDs is really true; that they have chem and bio weapons and banned delivery systems, and are near to developing nukes, which I also think is extremely likely.

that’s the sane part of Supposetherewastreachery

from there, the ship gets piled really deep as the demented mind of the author decides that we might have to go to war with France and Germany.

Note: after people started asking him if something so nucking futs was a joke…..

No, I was completely serious, but I guess it wasn’t obvious so I’ll explain it.

My explanation for Den Beste’s ideas

audiculous on November 27, 2010 at 11:39 PM

I expect another United Nations resolution soon, unilaterally declaring Palestine as a sovereign state encompassing lands Israel won in the 1967 war. The United States vetoed such an attempt in the past; this time I think there will be an abstention. Israel’s neighbors will see this step by the U.S. as sign of weakness and as an opportunity, and will strike Isreal again. Only this time, all hell will break loose.

zoyclem on November 28, 2010 at 8:38 AM

The problem is the Palestinians. Deep down, the only peace they’ll accept is victory, where peace is attained through the destruction of Israel.

Why does everyone appear to ignore this undeniable truth?

BigAlSouth on November 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM

The problem is the Palestinians. Deep down, the only peace they’ll accept is victory, where peace is attained through the destruction of Israel.

Why does everyone appear to ignore this undeniable truth?

BigAlSouth on November 28, 2010 at 8:45 AM

That is because facing up to some fundamental facts about the Israeli_Palestinian conflict will throw up the same question that Dan Beteste is now asking – and since there is no good answer to that, no one will dare to address this question.

Unless the Israeli’s voluntarily accept the Palestinian right to return (which is pretty much a suicide pact in the long run for the idea of a Jewish state) or find a way to resettle in Mars, there will be no permanent peace for them.

You have to appreciate Israeli resilience and the enormous odds they are up against. The Palestinians are the biggest losers you can find -they wont live and they wont let others live.

nagee76 on November 28, 2010 at 9:56 AM

because it’s quite deniable, not being any real truth.

the Palestinians are a large group and have no single agenda. some of them insist on destroying Israel to accomplish the return of of what they believe to be all their land, that group is neither all nor most.

audiculous on November 28, 2010 at 12:19 PM

because it’s quite deniable, not being any real truth.

the Palestinians are a large group and have no single agenda. some of them insist on destroying Israel to accomplish the return of of what they believe to be all their land, that group is neither all nor most.

audiculous on November 28, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Well, gosh darn that very, very small number of terrorists who give the other “zero agenda” Palestinians a bad name, the majority of which only desire to live in peaceful co-existence with the Israelis.

Sheesh, you are such a moron, rediculous.

BigAlSouth on November 28, 2010 at 12:26 PM

Thanks BigAl that was a quite cogent and detailed response.

You’ve got a complete grasp of the difference between some and all.

Although, by your logic, it’s easy to grasp a difference that’s either non-existant or immaterial.

audiculous on November 28, 2010 at 12:48 PM

The solution for Israel is Jordan as a palestinian state. An invented ‘hashemite’ creation it is the defacto ‘palestinian’ state already. They can have a contiguos state with port. border, military, right of return, etc. none of which is not possible west of the Jordan.

No matter what is done vis-a-vis Israel, the solution for the rest of the Arab world, from the hardliners who will only accept the destruction of the dhimmi nation in the midst of dar islam as a precurser to bringing all us kfirs under the new caliphate, to the middle of the roadies who will cover their eyes while their jihadi brothers slaughter us, is alternate energy to oil and an occasional crusade.

Unfortunately the world, including many in Israel, cannot bring themselves to accept the reality of humane population transfer, confusing it as reminiscint of nazism. So the alternative is forced wars, brought on by narcistic fools like Arafat, Nasralla, Ahmenijad, Saud, and Obama pushing all sides to unrealistic actions.

Maybe when King Abdullah dies we will see the first pali state.

In the meantime watch WIKIleaks for Obamas public example of a wonderful Islamic democracy, our ‘friend’ Turkey, helping Iran, AQ and the quest for a nuclear ME.

Rea1ityCheck on November 28, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Hey Whoopiculous – Did the Japanese attack the U.S. at Pearl Harbor?

S.W.A.M.

BigAlSouth on November 28, 2010 at 4:43 PM

not according to Blutarsky and your other frat brothers.

audiculous on November 28, 2010 at 5:15 PM

BAS

you’re like what happens when an ash tree is worked over by a determined woodpecker…..

a big, wide open ash hole.

audiculous on November 28, 2010 at 5:19 PM