The Palin Fish Massacre of Aught Ten
posted at 10:00 am on November 25, 2010 by Jazz Shaw
As any long time reader will tell you, I’ve never been one of the adoring fans of the Wasilla Wildcat. In fact, I wouldn’t even qualify as a foot soldier in the Palinista Army. But when I awoke on Thanksgiving morning and began flipping through the news, I found myself having a Jon Stewart moment.
Stop making me feel sorry for the Palins!
The story which caught my attention had one of the more provocative titles I’d seen all week. Sarah Palin clubs to death a fish on reality show labelled ‘a snuff video’ by animal rights group. (And really, guys, couldn’t you spell check the title?)
Sarah Palin is under fire for clubbing a fish to death on her new reality TV show.
The Tea Party darling and her daughter Bristol, 20, were shown on a halibut fishing trip filmed for her new programme, Sarah Palin’s Alaska.
After catching a fish, Sarah is seen beating it with a club and Bristol later holds its still-beating heart in her hand, a sight Sarah called ‘weird’.
Now, first of all, I’ve been a volunteer and worker in animal welfare groups for most of my adult life. (Please note that I prefer the term “animal welfare” to “animal rights.” The entire concept of “rights” is a creation of humans which applies to us. Animals have no inherent rights other than those we choose to assign to them.)
But even with that background, I have zero use for PETA, ELF and the rest of their ilk, apparently including In Defense of Animals, (IDA) the group raising a stink over this non-story.
The language used in this report, rather than being alarming, actually set me to laughing. “Clubbed a fish to death?” And particularly, “holds its still-beating heart in her hands?” Is this a fishing trip or a mockumentary on Mayan Sun God sacrifice rituals.
Please, people. It’s a fish. Humans used their brains and technology to achieve apex predator status on this planet and the fish, well… they came in a bit further down on the food pyramid. We eat them. Get over it.
I’ve been a fisherman since childhood and have made a fair number of trips out to sea for the bigger species. One of the last times we went out we didn’t use a club on the large fish. We used a gaffing hook to drag them into the boat and gutted them while they were still moving. The fact is, you don’t want to eat a fish that died of “natural causes.” And with apologies to the IDA, the fish in question is destined for the dinner table, so lethal injection simply isn’t an option.
And so, for this fabulous bit of reporting and fauxrage, the Daily Mail and the IDA share joint honors in my Thanksgiving Turkey of the Week award. As for the rest of you, try to squeeze in a serving of fish along with your turkey today in honor of this supreme piece of journalistic tripe.
Happy Thanksgiving!









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I haven’t in awhile, but I’ve hunted Elk, fish, and had cows butchered.
I know where Meat comes from.
portlandon on November 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM
You are a MONSTER!0)
katy the mean old lady on November 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Sorry, I overreacted. Have a blessed Thanksgiving!
OmahaConservative on November 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Quite a few of us.If you come out of the basement I’ll take you on a wild hog hunt.
katy the mean old lady on November 25, 2010 at 11:16 AM
uhm… I would be afraid to try and club my gramma if she said anything mean about anything. She could kick my a$$.. well.. she used to could kick my a$$. She’s not really kicking anything anymore because she’s no longer with us. Now she’s in Heaven clubbing halibut and abusing moose in the name of Sarah Palin and Ronald Reagan.
The best part of this thread is all the people getting on here seriously offended that folks are saying Sarah clubbed the fish to death insisting we all come to understand she clubbed them to STUN them. Who the hell cares? They were FISHING. That’s what HAPPENS when you go FISHING. You kill FISH and EAT them. That’s the point. I keep reading all these oh so serious messages and it cracks me up. There are always folks who have to have everything perfect and God help you if you don’t get the specifics right.
The whole point of this article is to point out how frigging stupid the lefties are and we got people irritated because of the vast differences between stunning fish and killing them.. BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Mad Mad Monica on November 25, 2010 at 11:16 AM
“how many of you morons reading this blog kill the food you eat?”
I have canned tomatoes, canned beans, frozen corn, and squash from my garden in the freezer. Also in the freezer is Venison, Duck, Goose, Pheasant, Moose, and Caribou. I buy specialty steaks on occasion and enjoy a good Lamb chop as well. Common dishes I prepare are waterfowl tacos, Duck or Pheasant scampi. Pheasant Parmesan (just had that a few days ago). We also like to mallet pheasant and roll it with pepperjack cheese, mushrooms, and green onion; then toss them on the grill. Venison tenderloin is my fave. We have a variety of sausage made out of the rest. I’ll take a Moose or Caribou steak over Beef any day.
My next project is teaching myself the art of breadmaking. I’ve ordered a grain mill and plan to do it all from scratch. Wheat grain stores better than flour. I’m ready to move beyond flatbreads in the wood oven.
Does the moron that asked, have any similar skills or desires?
DWB on November 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Me too!
katy the mean old lady on November 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM
done it. enjoy it. look forward to it every time.
can’t beat processin’ yer own meat.
AZ_Redneck on November 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Do bloggers at HA have some kind of a contractual obligation to knock Sarah? Or is it just the last refuge of the click hungry?
snaggletoothie on November 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM
At least you didn’t discuss beating.. nevermind..
*evil grin*
Mad Mad Monica on November 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM
The horror. I can hear your corn screaming from my house.
AZ_Redneck on November 25, 2010 at 11:19 AM
yeah. forgot to add i was responding to this …
the previous doesn’t stand well on it’s own. figured it out right after i hit submit.
AZ_Redneck on November 25, 2010 at 11:21 AM
I guess they’d go nuts if they found me drowning the mouse on the glue trap this morning.
katy the mean old lady on November 25, 2010 at 11:23 AM
No, they just love watching the Palin fanboyz’ heads explode!
MrScribbler on November 25, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Breaking: Billions of squashed bacteria found on the bottom of Sarah’s shoe! Film at 11.
Limerick on November 25, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Some would prefer lethal injection, I guess
esnap on November 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Where do these people think the meat at the supermarket comes from? I’ve gone fishing. God forbid they were shown what happens when a hook grabs in the wrong location and you need to kill the fish even though you’d normally put it back in the water. If you wanna see sick people, just turn on a fishing show. They literally throw fish back in the water almost like throwing a baseball where those fish will be dead within an hour from the impact of the water.
MrX on November 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM
WooHoo! Here piggy piggy!
Speakup on November 25, 2010 at 11:31 AM
There’s nothing that tastes better than the meat of a creature that you have hunted/fished. I’m personally not a hunter, but I definitely enjoy casting a line or a crab pot. In fact, part of today’s menu includes a crab claw dip from a summertime crab haul. Enjoy Thanksgiving, y’all. And appreciate the reason we have Thanksgiving.
either orr on November 25, 2010 at 11:31 AM
ROFL!!
I can hear the anguished screams of all those potatoes being boiled alive for everyone’s Thanksgiving dinner!
The horror.
Jenfidel on November 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM
As do I. However I don’t go around disparaging others who don’t. WTF, dude??
bernzright777 on November 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM
I’m ready to go up to Homer and get me some of that halibut.. YUM All 3 ways they cooked it sounded good too.
My sister works on a research ship in Alaska(NOAA).. They fish all the time for their meals..
The left just can’t help themselves anymore.
reshas1 on November 25, 2010 at 11:35 AM
We catch inshore fish, and cut their throats to drain the blood while they are alive. To small to club.
A liberals life is sheltered make believe. Don’t wake them, because when Obama crashes the economy they can just starve, thin the heard,
tarpon on November 25, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Liberals. ALL liberals are stupid.
kurtzz3 on November 25, 2010 at 11:40 AM
0_0 Can I take you up on that offer?
Dark-Star on November 25, 2010 at 11:41 AM
I laughed my butt off watching that episode knowing the left’s heads were exploding. The beating heart was just icing on the cake. These are the kind of people who go to Whole Foods to get their food, if they even know how to cook, and think everything is manufactured in some shiny, sterile factory and not clubbed, stunned and gutted by the millions of pounds. I wonder how they’d react if they drove past a feed lot in Colorado and realized their filet mignon was standing in a lot full of cow manure waiting for it’s date with destiny. Hahahahahaha!
jnelchef on November 25, 2010 at 11:41 AM
I will only eat good ol’ NE cornfed beef…
OmahaConservative on November 25, 2010 at 11:45 AM
I do. Hitchhikers and transients can be quite tast….er…I mean…uh…never mind.
Bishop on November 25, 2010 at 11:47 AM
If these people are outraged by meat production, they should be thankful that the Palins are “exposing” it’s true nature.
/(half sarc)
Count to 10 on November 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM
The old joke makes a comeback:
Liberal child – Mommy, where does food come from?
Liberal mother – Why, food comes from the supermarket, dear.
Bishop on November 25, 2010 at 11:50 AM
There’s a lot about Alaskan life those of us in the Lower 48 dont’t understand. Halibut, especially the big ones, are dangerous fish when landed alive. Alaskan fishermen often shoot the big ones before bringing them aboard. Imagine what the media would said if Sarah had hauled the fish along side, and then pulled out a pistol and shot it in the head.
BillyRuffn on November 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM
blatantblue
OmahaConservative on November 25, 2010 at 11:12 AM
katy the mean old lady on November 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM
A blessed Thanksgiving to all of you as well.
Canadian Infidel on November 25, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Sure it isn’t hobos to go with the Val-u-rite?
NaCly dog on November 25, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Hobos are too stringy, they don’t eat regularly.
Not that…not that I would know.
Bishop on November 25, 2010 at 11:54 AM
GONZO!!!
ladyingray on November 25, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
kingsjester on November 25, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Only in the depths of the Palin cult could a post defending her be seen as a knock on her.
AngusMc on November 25, 2010 at 12:01 PM
I’m guessing that these folks wouldn’t be too happy knowing what I did to that squirrel I caught under the house ruining the insulation. So….
He’s doing just fine. Hasn’t aged a day since I caught him…
karl9000 on November 25, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Our good Canadian, NO.
Schadenfreude on November 25, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Me and my friend, Lou, killed a fifth of Jameson’s last Thanksgiving.
May Gaia forgive me.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 25, 2010 at 12:03 PM
What’s to celebrate, white Europeans bent on genocide invading the ancestral lands of Native American peoples in an effort to rape them of not only natural resources but of hope itself?
Yeah right.
Not that I will let such fascistic imperialism keep me from getting two paid days off from my government job.
Bishop on November 25, 2010 at 12:03 PM
You don’t have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the other guy.
jnelchef on November 25, 2010 at 12:04 PM
Ever go night fishing for catfish? Try skinnin a bunch sometime… They ain’t dead first. And if you git real lucky, and they’re hitting like fleas bitin a dog at the flea market… yo gonna be ringin and skinnin like a machine till dawn.
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But hey, when the fancy French Restaurant sends out the Veil covered in sauce….. now that’s okay.
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RalphyBoy on November 25, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Do NOT miss the SPA epi with Kate Gosselin !!
OMG.. I can’t wait… hehehe.
pambi on November 25, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Jack,
the only thing that surprises me is it took 3 days for PETA to get its act together. I figured they would be out early Monday morning the moment I saw the part in questions (BTW I Loved they part)
Wait until Palin goes hunting with her father in one of the following shows which she said she did on Hannity.
unseen on November 25, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I find it a bit absurd that people are making fun of PETA for getting outrageously outraged about halibut massacres, and then turning around and saying that killing seals is an outrage.
Why are seals any different than cows, chickens, sheep, or halibut?
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM
there is plenty of room for all of Ak wildlife right next to the potatoes.
unseen on November 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Morally bankrupt Leftists scream for censorship when ultrasounds of human fetuses are shown writhing in pain while being aborted. Yet they demand the heads of the Palins for fishing halibut.
wraithby on November 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Why are seals any different than cows, chickens, sheep, or halibut?
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 12:11 PM
because they are cute and endangered?
unseen on November 25, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Time to start a Halibut Taco Black Friday tradition, lol.
Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone! Waiting for two wayward sons to find their way home today. Of course, the girls and I are clubbing turkeys, potatoes, pumpkins, cranberries… anything we can get our hands on.
Fallon on November 25, 2010 at 12:13 PM
I watched the episode referenced here and (forgive me) laughed out loud at the scene described. Leftists do well in the world the’ve created in their imaginations, but not so well in reality. I’ve been involved in butchering animals, and it is not a neat, pleasant experience. The shedding of blood never is. It’s the price you pay for eating meat. But the same people who soil their undies over Mrs. Palin and her daughter working aboard a commercial fishing boat have no reservations whatsoever when it comes to ripping apart the bodies of tiny humans. Nor do they have any problem shelling out big bucks to attend a dinner with some “star” where meat and fish are served. This whole “snuff video” BS is just more hatred and hypocrisy from the Leftists.
Back here in the real world, you may want to read the full text of the first American (vs. “Colonial”) Thanksgiving Proclamation issued by George Washington in October, 1789 at:
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/firsts/thanksgiving/thankstext.html
CONTENT WARNING!! Founding Atheist Washington offers prayers to “Almighty God”, so if you’re convinced that the Founding Fathers were all Atheists, you may want to take a pass. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL OF MY HOT AIR FRIENDS!
oldleprechaun on November 25, 2010 at 12:14 PM
If baby seals had two eyes on the same side of their head, or looked like sea slugs, the outrage wouldn’t be as severe.
I will admit though that the hunts are pretty ghastly, at least the things I stalk have a slight (very slight because yes I’m that good) chance of escape.
Bishop on November 25, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Sorry BillyRuffn, but we do not shoot them – that destroys the meat and risks putting holes in the boat. Over they come, flipped onto their backs, into the hold likity-split, and iced.
100-400 lbers are no more dangerous than ‘chickens’… unless one is stupid and careless.
Only eat meat, if you know who killed it — AK motto
Friendly21 on November 25, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Joy Behar protests~!
Limerick on November 25, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Palin is a genius. I tell you she pisses off all the rightr people which makes people like Jack take a second look at her because if these peopel are against her how can they be. It’s simple strategy (The enemy of my enemy is my friend) but it also brings our the protective instanct of like minded people and causes her to become a “rally around” figure.
Oh yeah our country is offically doomed as we know it if Palin wins. The Royal family will be dethroned, the enemy within will be discredited and the american people will again be set as the true masters of their own destiny. what’s not to love about that? Unless you ar ethe royal family or the enemy within. a pure brilliant strategy.
unseen on November 25, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Because the same people who complain have never gone past the Grocery Store to provide for their food consumption?
Iowa Hawk posted this on his facebook wall. TurBaconEpic Thanksgiving – Epic Meal Time 79,046 calories. Send it to all the Vegans you know ;)
I already have the Turkey stuffed and in the oven maybe next year.
Dr Evil on November 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everybody!..:)
Dire Straits on November 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM
They are not endangered though they are very cute!
Due to their large numbers harp seals are not considered endangered or threatened in Canada and are not listed by either COSEWIC or SARA. At the world conservation status level, they are listed as a low-risk species of least concern by the IUCN.
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Freaking funny. Bristol posted the clip on her FB page last week, and I mentioned then that lib heads would be exploding over the clubbing.
Southernblogger on November 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Due to their large numbers harp seals are not considered endangered or threatened in Canada and are not listed by either COSEWIC or SARA. At the world conservation status level, they are listed as a low-risk species of least concern by the IUCN.
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 12:23 PM
oh ok. I was thinking of “snow seals” are these the same as harp seals? Not sure and too lazy to look it up.
unseen on November 25, 2010 at 12:26 PM
ever seen a video of a seal hunt?
blatantblue on November 25, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Yes.
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Have you ever seen the inside of a slaughterhouse?
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Sure! North Florida has some good hunting.Arkansas has the biggest hogs.
katy the mean old lady on November 25, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Excellent point! Many liberals do live in a separate reality defunct of common sense, or moral equivalent. That some of these folks are not even aware of the harvesting proceedures in the ocean doesn’t surprise me any more.
Rovin on November 25, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Hey, if you’re cool with it, that’s your thing. It’s not my thing, but that’s just me, I suppose.
blatantblue on November 25, 2010 at 12:35 PM
I get my turkey from Kevorkian Farms; they only supply mature turkeys that see no point in living any longer.
slickwillie2001 on November 25, 2010 at 12:36 PM
I love halibut clubbing woman! You go girl!
MCGIRV on November 25, 2010 at 12:36 PM
The only thing that would have made these IDA mooks more upset is if Sarah had waterboarded the halibut. Um…no wait…
Heck a club may not have done the trick with this one. Guy musta borrowed the local dock builder’s pile driver: Novice angler catches monster halibut worth £25,000“
curved space on November 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM
What a small world…an old lady I hold very dear (my grandma) has lived in both states.
Are you living in FL now? Might just be able to visit the grandparents and go hog-hunting on the same trip.
Dark-Star on November 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Let my wife cook fishsticks for you. You’d club em’ too.
Limerick on November 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM
They don’t?
tommer74 on November 25, 2010 at 12:46 PM
LOL
I am a killer animals since I was big enough to hold a rod and reel. BONK the fish… was a game for us when we were kids.
Ugh…. people need to get a grip or go hungry.
upinak on November 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM
LOL!!!!!! She doesn’t read HotAir does she?
Cindy Munford on November 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Because halibut are ugly and the baby seals look like puppies and have a massive PR effort.
By the way, I think NRA Lifer was referring to the commenters at the linked blog, not HotAir. At least, I hope he was.
I have zero patience with hypocrites who eat meat and act like hunters are bloodthirsty maniacs. Vegetarians are less hypocritical, if equally deluded. I have hunted and fished since I was a kid, and I take no pleasure in the actual killing. I do take satisfaction in a good shot that dispatches game quickly. But I have understood from childhood a reality that many folks avoid, which is that for us to live, something else must die. That is just the way it is.
novaculus on November 25, 2010 at 1:02 PM
OMG, why would someone do that, it’s just so cruel and horrible. If she wanted fish she could have just gone to the market and gotten some clean fresh fish that no one has to club, and there isn’t any icky blood from fish at the market. Why does she have to be so cruel? Does Fox not pay her enough or is she so cheap she can’t buy the cruelty free fish at the grocery store? Is she so bloodthristy that she has to kill, kill, kill!!!
Do I have to? Yeah I guess I should. /sarc
Jason Coleman on November 25, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Does PETA, et al, say why it is so much better to let animals tear their living, helpless prey apart rather than have humans raise the same creatures in safe conditions, feed them well, care for their health, and then send them to their next incarnations in a quick, non-vicious manner?
Is nature red in tooth and claw preferable?
Why aren’t the Animal Rights-ers protesting wolves, tigers, seals and all other natural beasts that hunt down, catch and eat their victims alive?
We, at least, put them out of their misery before dining.
(Except in fugu-happy Japan, of course.)
profitsbeard on November 25, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Do I have to? Yeah I guess I should. /sarc
Jason Coleman on November 25, 2010 at 1:02 PM
sad but true
unseen on November 25, 2010 at 1:06 PM
My views are exactly the same. I have a serious problem with people who enjoy cruelty to animals because I think it indicates they have a screw loose, but as you say we live at the expense of other life and if that bothers someone they can cash their ticket anytime.
Vegetarians are silly because they are trying to avoid facing reality about what they as human beings are and about the nature of life on earth. It’s more religious than it is rational.
sharrukin on November 25, 2010 at 1:08 PM
spinach.chin on November 25, 2010 at 1:09 PM
There is no better fish than halibut IMHO, except for maybe striper. Striped bass. Texas. Beer battered. Halibut chunks and bloody Marys. mmm. mmm. mmm. Wish I had that instead of turkey!
scalleywag on November 25, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Sure. . . let’s ban the production of all animal based food.
At the very least, half of the planet’s population would starve in short order.
Oh wait, that’s a green goal.
Ok. . . their outrage makes more sense. It’s still deluded, wrong-headed and vile, but it makes more sense.
Jason Coleman on November 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM
They like to make out like she’s Michael Vick or something. That halibut will feed her family and what are you supposed to do, let it thrash around in a cooler till it dies? These people are idiots, pay them no mind.
scalleywag on November 25, 2010 at 1:14 PM
*cough*
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/the-meat-eaters/
spinach.chin on November 25, 2010 at 1:17 PM
The libotards are way ahead of you, check this NYT OPED out!
dmann on November 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM
damn…..same link…sorry I didn’t look before I linked!
dmann on November 25, 2010 at 1:29 PM
Yes, those people enjoy cruelty, generally. It is the mark of a serious personality disorder, and most of these sadists pose real threats to the rest of us.
People tend to overlook the fact that the most dangerous predator on the planet is homo sapiens.
novaculus on November 25, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Please
Eat
Tasty
Animals
centre on November 25, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Once again my comment didn’t post.
centre on November 25, 2010 at 1:37 PM
What a moronic statement.
My wife and I raised 100+ meat chickens this year, raised heritage turkeys (one of which is in the oven right now) as well as have goats and cattle for meat.
Oh, and venison in the freezer too…..moron.
BierManVA on November 25, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Haha
the environuts should consider that as a result of a prosperous and bountiful system they have had the option to DISCRIMINATE and decide without any logic what is the best way to live
now when they finally achieve their commie eutopia they will find that from their lofty ideals they will either adapt to reality of scarce options of nutrients like the wonderful state stores of the soviet union with a limited supply of sausage and stale bread or they will die
they are living a lark and think they can build a society out of it
there weren’t any vegetarians in the soviet union and other tyrannical countries
it was meager rations and lucky if you made it
Sonosam on November 25, 2010 at 1:45 PM
how many of you morons reading this blog kill the food you eat?
NRA Lifer on November 25, 2010 at 11:03 AM
you would do well to apologise for that question
Sonosam on November 25, 2010 at 1:47 PM
he was being sarcastic to the people who don’t hunt or raise animals for food.
Happy Thanksgiving.
upinak on November 25, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Maybe a /sarc was in order then. Either way, I’ve been called worse than moron. :-)
Happy Thanksgiving as well.
BierManVA on November 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Honestly I think the sarc tag needs to be used (I didn’t buy the new sarc tag) for the up coming 2 yrs or we are going to have some nasty flame wars even if we are on the same side.
Yum.. turkey. Gotta start on the taters soon…
upinak on November 25, 2010 at 1:53 PM
And Jazz. It is Bonking hun. You BONK a fish. You CLUB a seal.
upinak on November 25, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Those that are protesting this that aren’t vegetarians are hypocrites.
DL13 on November 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Did you even read my post?
AlexB on November 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Do you ever raise capons?
OmahaConservative on November 25, 2010 at 2:14 PM
yes, but I’ve heard that if you don’t stop, you’ll go blind.
John the Libertarian on November 25, 2010 at 2:19 PM
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