Coming up: TSA body scanners on public transportation

posted at 8:45 am on November 24, 2010 by Fausta Wertz

Jazz has a list of reasons why he doesn’t object to the body scanners. Now it looks like we’ll be getting scanners all over the place, including public transportation, trains and boats. Janet Napolitano:

“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”

Each body scanner costs $150,000.

Considering that the number of body scanners has tripled since last year, and that Napolitano is looking at placing them all over the place, the scanners makers got a great return on their lobbying investment.

Cross-posted at Fausta’s blog.

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Ummmm, so ALL transportation is now under Federal jurisdiction?

Here in VA, I ALWAYS carry a concealed weapon (with permit) and OFTEN carry a larger firearm holstered and loaded (open carry, no permit or license needed). ALWAYS have two pocketknives, also.

On the Friday of the “toner bombs”, a friend of mine refused to allow a search of his vehicle before boarding a ferry across the James River. The private security contractor called the local law enforcement office and my friend eventually received summons to appear in court in January for “disorderly conduct” and “brandishing”.

He had “Guns Save Lives” magnets on his vehicle and refused the request to have the vehicle searched. Knowing him, I would guess there were a number of firearms in the vehicle (he is disabled, in very poor health, and takes his self-defence very seriously). Totally LEGAL on his part.

This is one reason I like to “Open Carry”. Let the powers that be know that many of us still believe we have rights.

riverrat10k on November 24, 2010 at 10:26 AM

All of these long lines waiting to get through security are just setting us up for a Mumbai style attack. You have the herd all there, lined up and immobile, bored, restless, and helpless for 5 or 10 gunmen to just come in and mow them down.

JohnW on November 24, 2010 at 10:30 AM

It’s obvious what’s going on here.

Remember when 0bama said this?:

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

Well, that’s what TSA is going to be, the new “national security force”, which when unionized will be – literally – the armed branch of the democrat party.

Just as the SS were the armed branch of the nazi party.

Rebar on November 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM

It’s obvious what’s going on here.
Remember when 0bama said this?:

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.


Well, that’s what TSA is going to be, the new “national security force”, which when unionized will be – literally – the armed branch of the democrat party.
Just as the SS were the armed branch of the nazi party.
Rebar on November 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM

Don’t even joke? About something like that.
Besides, isn’t it a rocksolid tenet of Leftist mythology that the NAZI’s [Translated to: National Socialist German Workers Party ] part of the right.. or something?
Too bad they can’t seem to explain away that whole “Socialist” thang.

Chip on November 24, 2010 at 10:52 AM

What’s happenning to HA? Starting to look like Parker/Spitzer interviewing Ashley Banfield in primetime. Please return to Michelle’s standards.

Rea1ityCheck on November 24, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Well, that’s what TSA is going to be, the new “national security force”, which when unionized will be – literally – the armed branch of the democrat party.

Just as the SS were the armed branch of the nazi party.

Rebar on November 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM

When the TSA runs the death camps, they will be the safest place to be in America.

NoDonkey on November 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM

Rebar on November 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Chip on November 24, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Remember this article?
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/obama-orders-1-million-us-troops-to-prepare-for-civil-war/

sicoit on November 24, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Barry did say he wanted a civilian force as well funded as the military…

So Arizona asking to see a violator’s ID/green card is unconstitutional, but the TSA searching and molesting anyone with the temerity to buy a plane ticket IS???

phreshone on November 24, 2010 at 11:26 AM

Time to start driving again.

zoyclem on November 24, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Those who’ve been saying “If you don’t like it, don’t fly” will have to think up a new motto to intimidate reluctant Americans, e.g. “If you don’t like it, stay in your house.”

I’d nominate the infamous title of the editorial published a few days ago that bastion of high-minded liberalism, the LA Times:

Shut Up and Be Scanned

This is another “They told me if I voted for McCain” classic.

Drained Brain on November 24, 2010 at 11:46 AM

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2010/11/mopping-up-operation.html

You gave up your rights to the drug war a long time ago. Airports are just the mopping up operation.

MSimon on November 24, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Napolitano said she hoped the U.S. could get to a place in the future where Americans would not have to be as guarded against terrorist attacks as they are and that she was actively promoting research into the psychology of how a terrorist becomes radicalized.

Now that sounds promising. An increasingly totalitarian State using science to “research” out how people’s brains work. As AllahPundit might say, what could go wrong?

Threshing Flora on November 24, 2010 at 12:03 PM

What’s happenning to HA? Starting to look like Parker/Spitzer interviewing Ashley Banfield in primetime. Please return to Michelle’s standards.

Rea1ityCheck on November 24, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Ain’t that the truth. Maybe it’s the Townhall folks pushing for all that reaching-across-the-aisle crap.

slickwillie2001 on November 24, 2010 at 12:09 PM

BY limiting our ability to move about freely, we are no longer a free state or a free people…

That nasty “commerce clause” again…. (aka good and plenty/good and welfare clause)

katy on November 24, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Indeed. And thanks to the Food Safety Modernization Act (Senate Bill 510) our ability to grow our own food is limited.

The word “safety” is becoming a euphemism before our very eyes.

Threshing Flora on November 24, 2010 at 12:20 PM

This isn’t about security – it’s about control. We are seeing the beginnings of a police state. They are not targeting terrorists – they are targeting US! Big Sis is now talking about using the TSA on trains, buses, boats and Federal office buildings. What’s next? Shopping malls? Schools? Sports stadiums?

Obama said he wanted a civilian army as well funded as our regular army. They will get us to the point that we dare not look a TSA worker in the face as they randomly stop us on the streets to check our papers.

vapig on November 24, 2010 at 12:30 PM

“All your junk are become ours.”

Akzed on November 24, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Thanks Chertoff!! Y’all do know that’s who makes these scanners, right? Who better to lobby the govt. than a former high level bureaucrat?

Thank all of you conservatives so much for giving us the Dept. of Homeland Security. Thank you for giving nasty statist liberals the perfect tool with which to abuse us.

ernesto on November 24, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Thank you for giving nasty statist liberals the perfect tool with which to abuse us.

ernesto on November 24, 2010 at 1:11 PM

In the hands of a liberal, wet Kleenex can be abused.

I blame LBJ.

BobMbx on November 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM

Flying on a plane is a privilege and you give up any privacy rights when you choose to do so right?

Well taking a boat, or a train, or a bus is a privilege too; so if the airplane argument is valid so are these.

Oh, and driving is a privilege; so is walking in the park, going to the grocery store; or going to the doctor’s office… willing to give up your privacy every time you leave the house?

C’mon you’ll be “safer” if we strip-search everyone a dozen times a day. Aren’t you willing to give up all your Constitutional rights to feel safer?

gekkobear on November 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Next time I fly I’ll do ‘em all a big favor. I’ll just walk into the airport naked with my ticket hanging out of my ass.

adamsmith on November 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM

DHS was GWB’s greatest accomplishment! (If there had been an agricultural catastrophe in 2001, he would have created DAS – Department of Agricultural Security – with vegetable scanners in every supermarket. Never let a crisis go to waste!)

DHS – Changing forever the way America works – on the taxpayer dime! Oustanding!!!

dtestard on November 24, 2010 at 8:56 AM

Check out HR2749 on Thomas.loc.gov. Department of Agricultural Security is well on its way.

itsacookbook on November 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Check out HR2749 on Thomas.loc.gov. Department of Agricultural Security is well on its way.

itsacookbook on November 24, 2010 at 2:02 PM

Incredible. The Bill’s Summary:

H.R. 2749 – Summary: Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009

Amends the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) to deem a food to be misbranded if it was manufactured, processed, packed, or held in a facility that is not registered. Declares that a facility under the FFDCA does not include private residences of individuals. Requires annual registration of food facilities, including food facilities that export food. Authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to suspend the registration of any food facility for a violation of the FFDCA that could result in serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals. Sets forth procedures for such a registration suspension. Directs the Secretary to collect an annual fee for registration of a food facility to defray the costs of food safety activities. Terminates the authority to collect such fees after FY2014.

Here’s an “Inside the Beltway” joke:

Two visitors from the heartland visited the Department of Agriculture in Washington D.C. As they toured the buildings, they came across a group of 20 employees who seemed extremely sad and unable to focus on work. They approached the employees and gently asked the reason for their sorrow.

“Oh, our farmer died.”

dtestard on November 24, 2010 at 3:22 PM

What to kill public transportation faster than it is killing itself – install full body scanners.

As one who opposes the endless subsidies brought on by light rail in MN I say bring on the scanners.

Dasher on November 24, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Dang — Want not What

Dasher on November 24, 2010 at 4:04 PM

So, let’s see. I ride BART trains to work every day..(Bay Area Rapid Transit). The system transports about 300,000 people a day into San Francisco and other cities. Big Sis is going to scan us all? Really?

How? I’m just talking about ONE urban transit system. Is this going to work for NYC? Boston? DC?

It is impossible and they know it. It’s all a threat to force us to submit.

Don’t. Refuse to submit and they will cave as there is no way America can go to work when we all “just say no”.

sdillard on November 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM

Those who’ve been saying “If you don’t like it, don’t fly” will have to think up a new motto to intimidate reluctant Americans, e.g. “If you don’t like it, stay in your house.”

Shut Up and Be Scanned

Drained Brain on November 24, 2010 at 11:46 AM

After buses. boats and trains, comes random checkpoints on our highways and public sidewalks.
If the danger is so real that these must be done at all these other points, then it doesn’t take much more reasoning to expand the searches literally everywhere. Terrorists (especially the “home grown kind”) may never ride a bus or take a ferry. So, makes sense to have check points all along the roads and by ways. Whole cars should be searched. People carrying anything from guns, to fertilizers to too many boxes of cold medicines will need to explain themselves.

After that, I really do not see any logical explanation for not going house to house. Terrorists may resort to giving up traveling and just riding bikes. Some terrorists may never leave their homes. House to house searches have got to be on the table at some point. The risk from extremists is just too great.

Again, I’m trying to remember what it is we are protecting? It certainly can’t be the American way of life since that is now just about extinct. It must just be government workers and liberal Marxists in particular.

JellyToast on November 24, 2010 at 4:45 PM

Thanks Chertoff!! Y’all do know that’s who makes these scanners, right? Who better to lobby the govt. than a former high level bureaucrat?

Thank all of you conservatives so much for giving us the Dept. of Homeland Security. Thank you for giving nasty statist liberals the perfect tool with which to abuse us.

ernesto on November 24, 2010 at 1:11 PM

Been asleep for a decade? The things you’re complaining about are the things that the left demanded from Bush: a new level of bureaucracy in the Dept of Homeland Security, and a new federal agency to handle security at airports.

Bush caved to the Democrats, and now we’re stuck with the results.

What was needed was to put the CIA back in charge of intelligence and terrorism, rather than the FBI. Whose bright idea was it to put the FBI in charge? Clinton.

And security could have been enhanced at the airports without creating the TSA. But when Bush tried to do that, the media had a hissy fit. Ultimately, he caved, but with the provision that the TSA could not unionize. How long do we expect that to last?

tom on November 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM

They’re trying to kill us off.

Essentially, this means that the X-ray source used in the Rapiscan system is the same as those used for mammograms and some dental X-rays, and uses BOTH ‘soft’ and ‘hard’ X-rays. Its very disturbing that the TSA has been misleading on this point. Here is the real catch: the softer the X-ray, the more its absorbed by the body, and the higher the biologically relevant dose! This means, that this radiation is potentially worse than an a higher energy medical chest X-ray.
[...]
Furthermore, when making this comparison, the TSA and FDA are calculating that the dose is absorbed throughout the body. According the simulations performed by NIST, the relative absorption of the radiation is ~20-35-fold higher in the skin, breast, testes and thymus than the brain, or 7-12-fold higher than bone marrow. So a total body dose is misleading, because there is differential absorption in some tissues. Of particular concern is radiation exposure to the testes, which could result in infertility or birth defects, and breasts for women who might carry a BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation. Even more alarming is that because the radiation energy is the same for all adults, children or infants, the relative absorbed dose is twice as high for small children and infants because they have a smaller body mass (both total and tissue specific) to distribute the dose. Alarmingly, the radiation dose to an infant’s testes and skeleton is 60-fold higher than the absorbed dose to an adult brain!

Rae on November 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM

Rae on November 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM

And here is something else:
Peter Rez, physics professor from Arizona University did his own study of these scanners. He concluded the radiation is 10 times higher than what the TSA has been saying. Here is his complete study on pdf. It’s hard reading but you can scroll to the end to see his conclusion.
http://www.public.asu.edu/~atppr/RPD-Final-Form.pdf

Here’s alink to a letter some other physic professors sent to Obama warning of the health risks these scanner can have on certain members of the population, like pregnant women and the elderly.
http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/17/concern.pdf

And lets not forget John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Is not sterility one of the effects of too much radiation?

JellyToast on November 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM

JellyToast on November 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM

Good stuff, JT. Thanks for the links, and Holdren’s comment.

I feel like we’re living in a dystopian nightmare.

Rae on November 24, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Been asleep for a decade? The things you’re complaining about are the things that the left demanded from Bush: a new level of bureaucracy in the Dept of Homeland Security, and a new federal agency to handle security at airports.

tom on November 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM

Hear, hear!! Finally someone speaks truth. Bush was a helpless victim of those wingnut lefties! It was just as you said – they wouldn’t stop their ceaseless demanding for bureaucracy from a Republican Congress and Presidency, so I mean what other choice did poor President Bush have? Now that you’ve verbalized it, I feel sorry for him, and am glad he’s no longer in the office to be subjected to their degrading, dehumanizing, overpowering abuse.

dtestard on November 24, 2010 at 7:33 PM

But when Bush tried to do that, the media had a hissy fit. Ultimately, he caved….

tom on November 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM

[wipes away tears, lips quivering]

Leave George alone!!

dtestard on November 24, 2010 at 7:42 PM

[now balling]

What do you expect people, a President to stand up to a media hissy fit??! He’s not Superman!!

dtestard on November 24, 2010 at 7:44 PM

The drip, drip, drip of tyranny!

Mae on November 24, 2010 at 11:14 PM

Well, at least I was born free.

{+_+}

herself on November 25, 2010 at 1:57 AM

So, let’s see. I ride BART trains to work every day..(Bay Area Rapid Transit). The system transports about 300,000 people a day into San Francisco and other cities. Big Sis is going to scan us all? Really?

How? I’m just talking about ONE urban transit system. Is this going to work for NYC? Boston? DC?

It simply can’t work in NYC. No way. Even if one subway line goes down because a hobo accidentally set fire to the tracks (as happened to the A line a few years ago) the whole city gets out of whack for weeks. There could not be enough machines for each subway stop, or personnel to run them, and the flow of people per minute going through those turnstiles at rush hour – no one would get to work on time, or at all. The line would back up to the street and around the block, so no one would be able to walk on the street either.

Then what – are they going to do the buses too? Really? How long would the line be to get on the bus? Then what – more people try to take cabs? There aren’t enough cabs already. More driving? More traffic jams.

Anyone who even floated the idea here would be laughed out of town. Even the NY Times would laugh at them.

Boston would be the same. The DC subway has fewer stops and is much more spacious, but even there the crush of rush hour traffic makes it a ridiculous idea.

YehuditTX on November 25, 2010 at 5:11 PM

I’m just imagining someone trying to put a scanner in the 86th and Broadway stop. With only 2 narrow little stairs from the street. There’s always a bottleneck there anyway trying to feed rush hour traffic up and down those stairs. Multiply that by at least 50, the unrenovated stops with the narrow stairs and 4 turnstiles.

YehuditTX on November 25, 2010 at 5:34 PM

Soon, they’ll be doing random strip searches on the streets. We’re headed to be a police state.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/tsa-mulling-security-measures-on-trains-boats-public-transportation

jdawg on November 26, 2010 at 1:13 AM

If Obama is involved, it is evil, no exceptions.

proconstitution on November 27, 2010 at 8:18 PM

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