WH official: U.S. will pressure China to take a “robust” stand against North Korea

posted at 7:58 pm on November 23, 2010 by Allahpundit

Sounds awesome. Now all we need is a reason to think that China will agree.

A White House official tells ABC News that the U.S. is going to spend a great deal of effort trying to get China to take a more “robust” stand against North Korea’s actions.

“We need to send a strong signal to the Chinese that they need to stand up to North Korea,” the official says, adding that Russia’s statement condemning this attack was much stronger than after the North Koreans sank the ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772) in March 2010…

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support…

One step you may not see that has happened in the past is “rushing into six party talks,” the official said, trying to get North Korea back at the table with other superpowers. “We see that as rewarding bad behavior.”

“We don’t see this as North Korea wanting to go to war,” he concludes, which is probably true — they could have just started shelling Seoul if they wanted to do that — and yet … somehow not reassuring. As for China, if the regional fallout from today’s incident isn’t enough to get them to crack down on the NorKs, I don’t know what we could do to focus their mind further. They’ve worried forever about dealing with the refugee nightmare from North Korea if war breaks out; meanwhile, South Korea and Japan each must be thinking seriously at the moment about developing nuclear weapons as a hedge against North Korean erraticism (and, eventually, Chinese hegemony). If China wants to avert all that, they can act without our prodding. In fact, I wonder if the lesson from this morning is that China has less control over North Korean provocations than we think. If NK’s goal was to get America’s attention, that was already achieved with the news about their new enrichment facility. Unloading on an island full of South Korean civilians seems reckless and gratuitous even by crazy Kim standards. Maybe they’ve now gone fully rogue and even the Chinese aren’t sure what to do.

If I’m wrong about that and China still has leverage over them, then it’s yet another example of U.S. foreign policy being bedeviled by a fanatic proxy of some greater, more rational power. The paradigm example of that is Pakistan helping to prop up the Taliban in Afghanistan, but Iran’s support for Shiite fundie elements in Iraq also qualifies (especially now that Maliki owes his continuing position as PM to Sadr). The NorKs aren’t really a proxy so much as a Chinese client state, but the basic idea is the same — sapping America’s regional influence not through direct confrontation but via a rogue actor who’s dedicated enough to fight us head on. It’d be nice to have a strategy to limit that one of these days.

Here’s Obama telling Barbara Walters tonight that our alliance with South Korea is rock solid. I’m intrigued by the bit in the blockquote above about him not rushing back into six-party talks. I wonder what concession he’ll demand in advance before agreeing to sit down with North Korea again.


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Let me guess. They “strongly condemn” it, and are “deeply concerned.”

shawk on November 23, 2010 at 8:00 PM

Barry will write a sternly toned letter.

KeepOhioRed on November 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM

enough with this China concerns crap, their fear is DEMOCRACY south of the Yalu, the Norks are the perfect vehicle to commit all sorts of behavior and maintain plausible deny-ability.

rob verdi on November 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM

It is also possible that the shelling of the island is a testing of the waters to judge the probability of an American response to an invasion. They are not exactly sane in North Korea and an unsure new leader may be trying to firm up support with a war.

sharrukin on November 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Whatever the right thing to do may be, the stoutly and steadfastly American thing…

He’ll do exactly the opposite.

President Reverse-Midas-Touch.

turfmann on November 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM

Yeah I’m sure China will fall right in line.

OY this guy is embarassing

gophergirl on November 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM

Barry will write a sternly toned letter.

KeepOhioRed on November 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM

China might reply with “Where’s my Money, Biotch”

Kini on November 23, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Is it just me, or is our foreign policy robust-ed?

steebo77 on November 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

China better buck up or we’re not gonna loan them any more money.

txag92 on November 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Yeah, China will drop everything and get right on it Barry. Soon as they stop laughing their asses off.

GarandFan on November 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM

HEY… I have a great idea!

Let us elect Barack Hussein Obowma as President of the United States!

… Who’s with me?

Seven Percent Solution on November 23, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Who’s sexing who now?

SouthernGent on November 23, 2010 at 8:07 PM

Oh yeah RIGHT! NoKo is a Bull.. and China is a glass house with them.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM

Obama also asked Italy not to eat so much, Russia to not drink so much, and Germany to “lighten up a bit and get funky.”

I’m so embarrassed I can’t even feel the outrage.

Merovign on November 23, 2010 at 8:09 PM

WH official: U.S. will pressure China to take a “robust” stand against North Korea

You mean this guy…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 23, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Nice to finally know what this administration will do when the phone rings at 2AM.

Socratease on November 23, 2010 at 8:10 PM

Who’s sexing who now?

SouthernGent on November 23, 2010 at 8:07 PM

You had to ask

Former Obama Advisor Arrested On Child Sex Charges

Kini on November 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM

I hope China doesn’t laugh in our faces.

stenwin77 on November 23, 2010 at 8:11 PM

The Norks know who they are dealing with. The only pressure that will ultimately be applied is to our allies…to cave in. Bottom line…this doesn’t help Obama, so they are under the bus. That is the US position now on EVERYTHING…if it doesn’t help Obama, the US isn’t interested.

AUINSC on November 23, 2010 at 8:14 PM

“Sure Barracks, we understand. But before we get to the details on North Korea, lets review our cash on hand, and your agenda…..”

BobMbx on November 23, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Maybe Obama will threaten to do sex to China so they will take care of N. Korea.

aikidoka on November 23, 2010 at 8:16 PM

What are they going to do Give China “The Look”?

darwin-t on November 23, 2010 at 8:18 PM

Without preconditions.

RedNewEnglander on November 23, 2010 at 8:19 PM

South Korea gets bombarded by their neighbor to the North for a full hour and Obama is concerned for the Southern territory while sending strong words to the Northern territory, but…
Arizona gets bombarded by their neighbor to the South for years and Obama shows compassion for the Southern territory while sending strong words to the Northern territory.
Weird.

Electrongod on November 23, 2010 at 8:20 PM

South Korea should take a lesson from the residents along the Gulf Coast…

… and prepare to defend themselves, rapidly.

Seven Percent Solution on November 23, 2010 at 8:21 PM

and prepare to defend themselves, rapidly.

Seven Percent Solution on November 23, 2010 at 8:21 PM

Don’t worry, Obama will issue a moratorium

Kini on November 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM

Obama is supposed to be like Lincoln. Remember how regal and process-y Lincoln was?

SouthernGent on November 23, 2010 at 8:26 PM

Pfffffffft….uh huh. Pressure China……robust stand? Why would they do that to one of their BFF’s? This “WH official” really think they have a clue as to how this works. Again I say…Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttt.
Charlie Brown….Lucy…..football.

sicoit on November 23, 2010 at 8:27 PM

Will this be like the robust effort Obama made to get the Olympics in Chicago? Spend a bunch of political capital and then get told to go pound sand in a rat-hole?

smellthecoffee on November 23, 2010 at 8:30 PM

I wonder what concession he’ll demand in advance before agreeing to sit down with North Korea again.

Obama will demand that China resume giving cash to the DNC, just like they did so often in the ’90s.

itsnotaboutme on November 23, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Instant winner for Obamateurism of the Week!!

Do we have an award for Obamateurism of the month? Now might be a good tim to consider it.

mad scientist on November 23, 2010 at 8:34 PM

Is it just me, or is our foreign policy robust-ed?

steebo77 on November 23, 2010 at 8:05 PM

Indeed.

The Chinese told him to pound sand over the currency issue, so I’m so sure they’re willing to do his bidding over this! (Not.)
They’re more used to him bowing rather than standing.

Jenfidel on November 23, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Obama— on second thought I should have apologized last year, I’m sorry I left them out..

tinkerthinker on November 23, 2010 at 8:37 PM

Feh. Obama’s bony finger waggin’ in the air. Feh.

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Nice to finally know what this administration will do when the phone rings at 2AM.

Socratease on November 23, 2010 at 8:10 PM

blaming bush in 5,4,3….

Fighton03 on November 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM

What’s Obama going to threaten China with? Not accepting any more of their money?

Chuck Schick on November 23, 2010 at 8:39 PM

You mean this guy…?

Seven Percent Solution on November 23, 2010 at 8:10 PM

That is just so pathetic, and this country voted for the guy. He actually thinks weakening us will make the world a safer place.

and LOL at the part about fighting for a transparent and ethical government his entire life, yeah, Chicago benefited so much from his presence.

seeing that video, which I haven’t seen before but knew what he already stood for, just disgusts me to no end. A naive 19 year old left wing activist from the 1980s, stuck in a 48 year olds body in 2010. Still fighting the fight against Reagan, even though Reagan was RIGHT. Grow up already Obama.

Daemonocracy on November 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM

China shall FEAR the bony finger of OBAMA!

mew

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM

Thanks to The Ragin’ Cajun we now know that the O in bomma stands for ONE BALL.He will show,”deep concern, gravitas,top priority,firmness”, and sic the TSA on NOKo just as soon as michelle tells him what george soreass thinks is best for the DNC.
If 9 11 was not a replay of Pearl what does it take to wake this zombie up, another Inchon?

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 8:43 PM

Feh. Obama’s bony finger waggin’ in the air. Feh.

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 8:38 PM

Sarah Palin? Is that you? Dropping your participle endings again?

steebo77 on November 23, 2010 at 8:45 PM

North Korea does very little that the Chinese don’t want them to do. They are China’s puppet. This whole thing is a kabuki dance. We pretend that Islam is not Islam and that China is not China.

Luka on November 23, 2010 at 8:47 PM

For some reason I don’t feel reassured…at all. Perhaps Code Pink could mount a frontal assault.

ronsfi on November 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM

So it will be just half a bow instead of a full one. That’ll show em!!

tommer74 on November 23, 2010 at 8:49 PM

For some reason I don’t feel reassured…at all. Perhaps Code Pink could mount a frontal assault.

ronsfi on November 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM

Nooooo!

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, Obambi has the Chicoms shaking in the People’s boots now.

novaculus on November 23, 2010 at 8:51 PM

By the time this tool get’s voted out on his a$$ in 2012 (buncha racists!!!!), we won’t have any allies left anyway. They’ll all be dead or looking out for number one.

AUINSC on November 23, 2010 at 8:51 PM

Don’t worry, Obama will issue a moratorium

Kini on November 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM
o speech to the press in a day or two.
“My exec order number something or other will say”.
“Thou shall buy no hsit fron wally mart this year as they support people who shoot at little islands that might tip over so thou shall not buy hsit from the chinks till they tell the Norks to shape up(left hand gesture,stern look,point finger,check TOTUS), and we are gravely concerned.You Betcha we is”.
Thank You, no question ask Gibbsey what this all means,
FORE.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 8:54 PM

You can tell Obama is very angrybecause instead of reading his condemnation off the teleprompter, thus blessing them with his visage, he only released a written statement without so much as a photograph.

FloatingRock on November 23, 2010 at 8:57 PM

I can’t help but be reassured that planet shaking foreign policy pronouncements and decisions are being made by a guy who’s not qualified to run a pretzel kiosk at the mall.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM

You can tell Obama is very angrybecause instead of reading his condemnation off the teleprompter, thus blessing them with his visage, he only released a written statement without so much as a photograph.

FloatingRock on November 23, 2010 at 8:57 PM
Told his ghost writer the comedy kid”say something tough sounding” I got to meet some donors.Bone flinger nothing more,either that our TOTUS does not have an answer to the NORKS.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 9:02 PM

I can’t help but be reassured that planet shaking foreign policy pronouncements and decisions are being made by a guy who’s not qualified to run a pretzel kiosk at the mall.Yard Sale

Fify

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Yard SaleDr. Carlo Lombardi on November 23,
Doctor shame on you, yard sales reguires financial skill.
O no got no financial skills.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 9:11 PM

I’m thinking of a list of things or people who might be afraid of Teh Won… Let’s see….

Bunnies
Squirrels
Little birdies
Lizards
Fish in tanks
Stray kittehs
Petting Zoo animals
Babies and toddlers
Joe Bidens

NORKS, Russians, Jihadi’s and ChiComs? Eh… Notsomuch.

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 9:13 PM

All wise cracks aside,having lived through the WW II and Korea eras I wonder when the Brass shows up at the WH and tells the asshole that “this is the plan and he will follow it”.
The ball less wonder can only get so far before he needs to be advised that his term is likely to end/will end in impeachment for endangering our country.
Taiwan or Korea pops open and you can be that Ajob will go nuts in the Middle East and we will have a major World War on The Wests hands.The Brits will try and help along with the ANZAK forces,the french will press the white flags and the Germans will do the best they can along with the North Countries. Our big concern is how Russia plays this.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 9:24 PM

It’s times like these that I really wish we had someone else, almost anyone else, as COC.

scalleywag on November 23, 2010 at 9:28 PM

Korea goes,Taiwan goes, Ajob goes nuts in The Mid East and dumbo has WW III on his hands with no clue. The Joint Chief are going to have to drive over to the WH and tell the boy how it is going to be.
Impeachment for dereliction of duty.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 9:13 PM

I think Joe Bidens are really the only ones on that list that are afraid, the rest belong on the other list!

bluemarlin on November 23, 2010 at 9:33 PM

I was just thinking this evening of Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright and Jimmy Carter.

Does anyone really think that N Korea takes a Democrat in the WH seriously? Me neither.

INC on November 23, 2010 at 9:35 PM

I have said before, the body count that will be attributable to ” His Weakness” is going to be huge. I wonder how many countries we will lose to Carter on steroids?

bluemarlin on November 23, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Iran’s support for Shiite fundie elements in Iraq also qualifies

as more rational? Iran is not led by rational people. Remember the green light episode at the UN?

Speaking of rational, our whole approach of appeasing this black mailing totalitarian cult of personality ought to stop.

Bush, Clinton, and now Obama are all guilty of playing their game. Are we just hoping for a nice ending while giving the North more time and more oil?

AshleyTKing on November 23, 2010 at 9:36 PM

Anyone here ever read Larry Bond’s Red Phoenix?

INC on November 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM

“totalitarian cults of personality ,AshleyTKing”
We need to get rid of our Cult of famous ones,legally, then we can deal with the outside nutcases.2012 may be a long 700 plus days away.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM

Korea goes,Taiwan goes, Ajob goes nuts in The Mid East and dumbo has WW III on his hands with no clue. The Joint Chief are going to have to drive over to the WH and tell the boy how it is going to be.
Impeachment for dereliction of duty.

Col.John Wm. Reed on November 23, 2010 at 9:32 PM

Col., can they really do this? If so, what is it going to take to get them to act, and act quickly? Can they just lift him up by the scruff of his shirt, gag him and throw him in a closet for a few months?

Key West Reader on November 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Robust? From this White House. Lil Kim could woop their asses all by himself.

lonestar1 on November 23, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Oooooooooooooooooooooh!

Sounds like someone may get a stern letter!!!

I’ll bet ‘Lil Kim’ is quaking in his sandals!!!

/sarc>

Silly White House! Words are for kids!!!

landlines on November 23, 2010 at 9:52 PM

Does anyone really think that N Korea takes a Democrat in the WH seriously? Me neither.

INC on November 23, 2010 at 9:35 PM

No, unless you mean it like Harry Reid (NORKS) takes Chris Coons (PETS) seriously!

bluemarlin on November 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM

I heard Best Biuy paid Lil Kim in order to raise Holiday prices.

lonestar1 on November 23, 2010 at 9:54 PM

It’s a good thing Democrats are in control of this crisis…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on November 23, 2010 at 10:14 PM

The most overused word of 2009: Robust.
The most overused word of 2010: Unsustainable.

LASue on November 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM

It looks like it’s time for Hillary to hit that reset button.

kingsjester on November 23, 2010 at 10:28 PM

And they are afraid of NK refugees crossing into their country? Only an idiot would believe that.

Starlink on November 23, 2010 at 9:10 PM

Right. That would be like a Mexican choosing Guatemala over Texas.

slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM

I just heard that the US is going to hold a joint military exercise with S. Korea. If true, I have to give a (very rare for this administration) attaboy.

Vashta.Nerada on November 23, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Is this deadly aggression the latest act in North Korea’s perverted version of Dynasty? November 24, 2010 – 1:26PM

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/is-this-deadly-aggression-the-latest-act-in-north-koreas-perverted-version-of-dynasty-20101124-186lp.html?from=smh_sb

canopfor on November 23, 2010 at 11:22 PM

Only liberals would be stupid enough to believe the Manchurian Candidate could “pressure” the PRC into anything. Its already a possibility the Red Chinese fired off an SLBM, dangerously close to California and Hawaii, and if it was, then we’re looking at a new Pearl Harbor attack under the inept ministrations of the Dalai Obama. And they’re supposed to cave in to something he, or his equally inept, socially repulsive miscreant of a Secretary of State?! Maybe he’ll ask the Soviets (Russians) for help. Oh, wait: the Soviets have already shown they’re not afraid or in like with the Dalai Obama, either (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/04/great-news-russian-attack-subs-spotted-off-east-coast-of-us/).

Virus-X on November 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM

Vashta.Nerada on November 23, 2010 at 11:16 PM

And what’s that going to accomplish? Show the NORKS we’ll stand with the South Koreans, until the fighting starts, just like, today? The 8th Army might as well have not gotten out of bed, for all the support the Dalai Obama’s given the South.

Virus-X on November 24, 2010 at 1:29 AM

These people do realize that China fought on North Korea’s side during the Korean War, right?

CP on November 24, 2010 at 1:36 AM

This post needs more responses…

GO BRISTOL !!!1!

Okay Allah, don’t say I never did anything for ya.

Joy on November 24, 2010 at 1:42 AM

How much can we attribute North Korea’s aggression to Barry’s wimpy showing in Seoul earlier? Pressuring the Chinese? Barry is looking for another slap down.

bayview on November 24, 2010 at 1:46 AM

“Srong signal.”

I wonder what that consists of?

An email or a text?

NoDonkey on November 24, 2010 at 2:18 AM

Was it Rangel who was all for reinstating the draft at the beginning of the Iraq War?

With these overreaching totalitarians in power I am afraid of the draft. Democrats love to force people to do what ever they decide is best.

petunia on November 24, 2010 at 5:40 AM

Pressure China? Yuh. This administration?! It is to laugh.

“We see that as rewarding bad behavior.”

Everything they know about foreign affairs they learned from Dr Spock? International relations is like coping with naughty children? More projection. They got access to the parent’s closet and play dress-up. More people will die before some actual grown-ups get in there.

curved space on November 24, 2010 at 6:34 AM

I wonder if the lesson from this morning is that China has less control over North Korean provocations than we think.

I think a more beleiveable situation is that the PRC completely controls the situation. The sinking of the destroyer, the missile lunches, and now the artillery barrage, all tests to determine just how weak western resolve is right now. To prod the PRK into doing these acts, the PRC gains a lot of understanding they otherwise might have to find out on their own.
The problem with the whole situation has been the lack of response to the previous incidents.
The lack of response invites yet another and more elevated incident. Each time we do not respond, I think we should expect yet another provocation in the near future.
It is low risk both for the PRC and the PRK.
Seriously, what is the west and their asian allies to do? They will not do what is required, because they perceive that as futher escalation.
What can be done right now?
1. South Korea needs to respond militarily. It needs to be the ROK, because they have to show their own resolve to defend themselves even at some risk. Perhaps the seizing of a North Korean vessel, or the taking of some PRK troops on the DMZ. They need to be prepared for the retaliation to such an event too. And have to respond forcefully.
2. The USA needs to avert any direct military action, that would definitely be an escalation. Rather we should move all of our troops from bases in the deep south where we pulled back to a few years ago. We should move right back into the army camps we once occupied right along the DMZ. What this does is bring U.S. troops right back into the line of fire from artillery strikes. This sends a message to PRK that they risk American casualties and a response from the USA from any further artillery barrages.
3. This is the most politically unpopular of all, but it is overdue given the situation. We need to arm the ROK with tactical nukes. It isnt enough for us just to bring them back into country and maintain them, but we need to give them to the south, so that their under the ROK governmet’s control. That sends a very strong warning to the North, and now they have to deal with a nuclear armed south, that just took the step outlined in #1 above. This will make the PRK think really hard about any further military provocation of the south.

paulsur on November 24, 2010 at 7:19 AM

In other words North Korea can do anything they want, short of and all out war, and the US, South Korea or anybody else can do nothing about it.

Isn’t it about time for Jimmy Carter to make another trip to North Korea?

albill on November 24, 2010 at 7:26 AM

weak

cmsinaz on November 24, 2010 at 7:33 AM

I had another thought about a response. How about a US SSBN (balistic missile submarine) sail undetected into the yellow sea all the way to the 39th parallel, and “test fire” a trident (without a warhead of course) into the Sea of Japan? The direction would take it right across PyongYang. The Noth doesnt have the technology to detect the launch, but in the black night sky that is the electric deficient North, the launch would light up the sky as it streaked across the penisula right over the capital.
It would deliver an unmistakeable message not only to the PRK, but also to the PRC, that we can put an SSBN anywhere, anytime,and they can be just mere seconds from vaporization.
Plus it would be absolutely hilarious to know all the PRC could do about it was whine in the U.N. wah-wah!

paulsur on November 24, 2010 at 7:51 AM

AP said:
Maybe they’ve now gone fully rogue and even the Chinese aren’t sure what to do.

The thing is, if China has lost control of the NorKs, China sure isn’t going to let that be known. Their relevance is due to their perceived influence. Some of their support for the NorKs could be that the NorKs are useful tools to make the US dance but it may also be to cover up that they really have no power at all. We’ll likely have no idea which it is.

jnelchef on November 24, 2010 at 8:33 AM

Obama is a laughingstock on the world stage. When you are a eunuch and the world knows it, this could be just another embarrassment for the country. When Lil Kim laughs in the face of the American president, this could end badly for the South Koreans.

volsense on November 24, 2010 at 9:34 AM

Obama votes PRESENT! One more time.

volsense on November 24, 2010 at 9:34 AM

He’s an embarrassment.

dogsoldier on November 24, 2010 at 9:39 AM

paulsur

You do realize we have Barry in the WH, who after Hillary gave him one of her balls, he will finally have one.

bayview on November 24, 2010 at 4:10 PM