South Korean president: Another provocation by North Korea will invite “enormous retaliation”

posted at 3:44 pm on November 23, 2010 by Allahpundit

Realistically it’s the only thing he could say, but calling North Korea’s bluff at a moment when it’s even less stable than usual due to internal succession politics is awfully dicey. Time speculates that this morning’s shelling might be a show of strength from incoming Dear Leader Kim Jong-un, who’s allegedly “under the influence of more hawkish generals” and even less of a known quantity than his pop. If South Korea and the U.S. refuse to engage with him, what’s his move then? As a newly anointed dictatorial demigod, he can’t show weakness in front of his military brain trust lest he risk a coup. How far is he willing to go to stand up to the west?

For that matter, how far is Obama willing to go to stop him? Most O critics worry that he’s too weak to risk a confrontation, but I wonder if the bigger worry isn’t that it’s precisely because he’s perceived as weak — and not just by North Korea — that he’ll feel obliged to overcompensate with his response, which could touch off something very bad. Gabriel Schoenfeld at the Weekly Standard had the same idea, as does Thomas P.M. Barnett at Esquire:

Nobody likes to look weak, especially after Obama’s recent trip to Asia and the drawdown there, but we need to remember that North Korea’s aggression is all about solidifying a tenuous regime situation back home. Kim Jong-Il’s quasi-coronation of his son, Kim Jong-Un, a few weeks back was not exactly the sort of decisive hand-off some observers were expecting. So we’ve entered something of a fluid interregnum where the old man hasn’t quite exited the scene and the new kid hasn’t quite taken over and everybody surrounding them is either jostling for position or feeling awfully nervous. That’s a recipe for erratic behavior, all right, but if we get too pushy in reply, we might find ourselves not knowing exactly who we’re shoving or what sort of further reaction it might trigger. These are the worst conditions for engaging in counter-brinkmanship, so Gates, Hillary, et al had better err on the side of doing too little and moving too slowly.

Leslie Gelb argues that even though war is now closer than it’s been in decades, it’s still not that close since both sides know it would mean near-total devastation on the peninsula. Seoul would be left in ruins and the NorK regime would end up decapitated, ergo there’s no rational reason this should escalate any further. That’s true at the macro level, just as it’s also true that North Korea has behaved more or less rationally in keeping a mostly cold peace since 1953, but as noted above, at the micro level you have a bunch of actors here who are all under enormous pressure to show strength by calling each others’ bluffs. What’s more, no one knows just how fragile the succession process inside North Korea might be; if there’s a nucleus of generals who doubt the abilities of Kim the younger, they may decide that the state’s doomed to collapse in the near term anyway in which case they might as well go out with a bang. Gelb’s “solution” to all this, such as it is, is to bring some U.S. naval assets into the region (a carrier strike group is already in the area) and then head back to the Security Council for the ceremonial slapping of the wrist, replete with weak sanctions that China will hopefully agree to after objecting, naturally, to much stronger ones. No doubt that’ll happen, but I think there’s also going to be an invitation to North Korea from the U.S. and South Korea to restart talks if they’re willing to make some sort of face-saving token concession first. What that might mean and whether it’ll involve the new enrichment facility (which wouldn’t really be a token concession), I don’t know, but the goal right now/as always is simply to calm them down and get them talking instead of shooting. The One’s always been a fan of that approach. Is he still?

Update: Check out the roll call of administration officials meeting in the White House situation room to hash out a response. This is most assuredly a five-alarm fire.

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Sort of depends on how much the O wants to be remembered like FDR, doesn’t it? Is this the Keynesian endgame — obliterate the surplus manufacturing capacity with bombs and shells?

cthulhu on November 23, 2010 at 3:51 PM

The UN? Yah, ok.

Those tripwire American soldiers in South Korea must be feeling awfully nervous right about now.

Bishop on November 23, 2010 at 3:51 PM

These are the worst conditions for engaging in counter-brinkmanship, so Gates, Hillary, et al had better err on the side of doing too little and moving too slowly.

I know just the guy.

DrSteve on November 23, 2010 at 3:52 PM

We’re gonna need a bigger teleprompter.

DrAllecon on November 23, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Lovin the leather jacket.

If only I believed him.

But the end result will be a few missiles/rockets exchanged, a lot of whining by the “international community” for the aggressors to STOP STOP STOP THE VIOLENCE! (with S. Korea being blamed), the “progressives” will demand concessions on behalf of the communists to be paid by the civilized world in the name of “peace,” and the North Koreans will go right back to doing what they were doing before this.

Count on it. There are no more Churchills, Pattons, Reagans and Thatchers – there are only neutered fembots and metrosexual cosmopolitans who are more interested in appearing on magazine covers than they are in securing the hard work of actual peace through strength.

Good Lt on November 23, 2010 at 3:53 PM

Seoul would be left in ruins and the NorK regime would end up decapitated, ergo there’s no rational reason this should escalate any further.

And yet the North killed two South Koreans and injured 14 via artillery today. The South just has to sit back and take it – again. Thanks for all the help China. Douchebags.

toliver on November 23, 2010 at 3:54 PM

This is going to end badly.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Nothing like blustering back to a blowhard. This clown in NK has been threatening the world -but in truth -loves his food and porno too much to risk much beyond threats.

Hint to the Commander-in-Chief:

Bowing to him doesn’t provoke laughter -just plans. Charles K had one answer -arm SK with nukes. I’d prefer openly giving Japan the nukes – with great fanfare.

It does raise the issue of “was McArthur right?”

Don L on November 23, 2010 at 3:57 PM

This is an incredibly serious situation.

Obama is incapable of acting properly here. He’s more clueless than Jimmy Carter.

I don’t see how this ends well at all.

The only real hope in the DPRK’s poorly outfitted ground troops, who are barely fed, will end up like Saddam’s troops in Gulf War I, and cut and run when facing well trained, well equipped, and well fed troops.

This is the 3am call Hillary spoke of during the campaign.

Has Barry even answered the phone yet, or did it go straight to voicemail?

gary4205 on November 23, 2010 at 3:57 PM

South Korean president: Another provocation by North Korea will invite “enormous retaliation”

That’s right…I dare you to step over this line….
“step”

….okay….
………well…

I dare you to step over this line….
“step”

Alright…..alright….I really mean it this time…

I double dare you to step over this line….

……………..whatever

Baxter Greene on November 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM

Just spitballing — any chance China deposes him?

DrSteve on November 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM

UN Security Council resolution concerning the Korean Peninsula:

“The United States votes……..Present”

BobMbx on November 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM

Is this a golfing day?

d1carter on November 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM

It does raise the issue of “was McArthur right?”
Don L on November 23, 2010 at 3:57 PM

Go farther back. Was Patton right?

Bishop on November 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM

However, there are no plans to send more ships or forces in response to the strike.

Weakness in the face of a provocation invites a conflict.

If they believe that the South Korean government is weak and that the American’s won’t back up the South, the North Koreans may take a gamble at reunification by military action.

sharrukin on November 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM

NORTH KOREAN PROVOCATIONS ARE AN INSIDE JOB!!!11!

NO WARS FOR KIM CHI!!11!!1

abobo on November 23, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Calling coldwarrior to shed some light on this

blatantblue on November 23, 2010 at 4:01 PM

It’s one of those balmy fall afternoons, you’re half asleep, laying on your surf board, dreaming of last night, or future nights, when ‘something’ bumps your knee.

Skandia Recluse on November 23, 2010 at 4:01 PM

So is Obama going to abandon Taiwan in favor of gaining China’s telling the Norks to back down?

fourdeucer on November 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Didn’t this guy say the same thing when they torpedoed the South Korean ship? Guess that second provocation wasn’t serious enough. Somehow I’m thinking if there’s another violation, his leash will be tightened up by Washington and exactly nothing will happen. This guy doesn’t have the stones that Sharon had.

Tacitus on November 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM

ergo there’s no rational reason this should escalate any further

How many times in the past thousands of years has that thought crossed the minds of people and politicians, and how many times have they been proven wrong.

rob verdi on November 23, 2010 at 4:03 PM

Nothing like blustering back to a blowhard. This clown in NK has been threatening the world -but in truth -loves his food and porno too much to risk much beyond threats.

Hint to the Commander-in-Chief:

Bowing to him doesn’t provoke laughter -just plans. Charles K had one answer -arm SK with nukes. I’d prefer openly giving Japan the nukes – with great fanfare.

It does raise the issue of “was McArthur right?”

Don L on November 23, 2010 at 3:57 PM

It’s a shame Ike didn’t nuke this bunch into oblivion when he had the chance, and the world would have stood for it.

What pisses me off here, going back to the original war, is America was China’s best friend in WWII. Many Americans fought for China before we even entered WWII. China was about to be a satellite of Japan.

How did they repay us? By backing North Korea.

Anyhow, this has been a screw up since day one. One should never let these sort of things fester, especially for this long.

gary4205 on November 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM

Well, what else to expect from a culture[ours]that tries to make” bullying” illegal. A bully use to get their comeuppance by somebody just finally popping them a few times, and that was the end of it. Now the “popper” is the one that gets in trouble, Go figure. A real screwed up world we have allowed to evolve.

retiredeagle on November 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM

I would bet that the 80 or so SK shells fired back actually hit military targets rather than civilian housing and parking lots.

Just a hunch.

Akzed on November 23, 2010 at 4:06 PM

Herbert Walker Bush had his ambassador say… “We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.” This led Saddam to believe that he was OK with an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

Weakness invites aggression.

sharrukin on November 23, 2010 at 4:06 PM

So is Obama going to abandon Taiwan in favor of gaining China’s telling the Norks to back down?

fourdeucer on November 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Faster than you can say Carter 2.0!

gary4205 on November 23, 2010 at 4:07 PM

As a major Korea watcher I have been following this from the beginning. Yeah, this is a very bad situation.

Gim Jeong-un is doing this in order to secure his succession. He knows the generals can depose him in an instant, and there are probably other forces at work in North Korea all jockeying for the leadership. This makes NK even more dangerous then usual.

South Korea’s, and our, response will have to be very carefully measured. Obama will likely attempt to hide and avoid leading. In that case, it probably be up to Gates and the American commanders on the ground in Korea to lead. I Myeong-bak may react every bit as forcefully as he says however. This man is a not a coward who backs down. President I has been very aggressive towards NK before and has given the SK Left more then one bloody nose. All I can do is pray that he will do the right thing. This may not be the best time for him to be aggressive.

Shogun144 on November 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM

As a major Korea watcher I have been following this from the beginning.
Shogun144 on November 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM

How old are you? This has been going on since before the Korean war.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 4:13 PM

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 4:13 PM

I don’t mean the entire Korean Conflict with that comment. Just this particular incident.

Shogun144 on November 23, 2010 at 4:14 PM

Dah! I forgot to answer your question on my age. I’m 23. My interest in Korea stems from several members of my family serving in Korea both during the Korean War and in the DMZ.

Shogun144 on November 23, 2010 at 4:15 PM

This is going to end badly.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 3:56 PM

It ain’t gonna be pretty. God help us.

Update: Check out the roll call of administration officials meeting in the White House situation room to hash out a response. This is most assuredly a five-alarm fire.

Whoa.

JetBoy on November 23, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Eve Of Destruction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zs2DCA9W7s

sharrukin on November 23, 2010 at 4:17 PM

I don’t mean the entire Korean Conflict with that comment. Just this particular incident.

Shogun144 on November 23, 2010 at 4:14 PM

sorry, should have stuck a sarc tag on. I understood what you were saying and I have been watching it unfurl for the last 7 yrs as well. Does something smell off to you concerning this? I think the Generals are running this and have stepped over the Kim’s.

Ladyingrey’s son is in Korea. We should say a prayer for him and the other Soliders and marines there.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Simple solution. Set up an all you can eat buffet on the boarder. Not only will the NK Army defect so will the vast majority of the NK people. Then SK can go in, remove everyone in charge, then SK can send the people back with food, electricity, heat and other necessities. At that point we can just call the enitre area “Korea”.

milwife88 on November 23, 2010 at 4:22 PM

We don’t even know if China may be the ones provoking the Norks into an agressive posture. The Norks may be a bigger problem for China than our debt servicing is to China.

fourdeucer on November 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM

Didn’t this guy say the same thing when they torpedoed the South Korean ship? Guess that second provocation wasn’t serious enough. Somehow I’m thinking if there’s another violation, his leash will be tightened up by Washington and exactly nothing will happen. This guy doesn’t have the stones that Sharon had.

Tacitus on November 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM

Yes:

“If our territorial waters, airspace or territory are violated, we will immediately exercise our right of self-defense,” Lee he said. But he stressed that “our ultimate goal is not military confrontation.”

unclesmrgol on November 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM

I’m amazed.

Our culture has become so coarsened and sense of right and wrong so diluted.

Have you guys seen the way the media and the State Dept. have been talking about this?

Oh, it’s just provocative. Kind of flexing their muscles. They just do this from time to time. It’s kind of bad behavior.

Seriously?

They killed innocent people in another country with their military for no reason. Then they said they were gonna do it some more. This is after they blew up a ship for no reason.

These are acts of war. At some point you have to accept the possible consequences and protect your people.

Dorvillian on November 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM

Simple solution. Set up an all you can eat buffet on the boarder. Not only will the NK Army defect so will the vast majority of the NK people. Then SK can go in, remove everyone in charge, then SK can send the people back with food, electricity, heat and other necessities. At that point we can just call the enitre area “Korea”.

milwife88 on November 23, 2010 at 4:22 PM

Only one snag with that…the DPRK border guards are very well fed. Gives all the visitors to to the DMZ an impression that the North is doing nicely. Just like all the fake buildings and facades they put up near the border.

JetBoy on November 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM

Ladyingrey’s son is in Korea. We should say a prayer for him and the other Soliders and marines there.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Earth to Sky Six. Bless the US of A., it’s wonderful military, and it’s allies. Over. And slap the US President with a large clue bonker. We mean that in a good way.

Is this what you mean, upinAK?

NaCly dog on November 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Didn’t China just recently green light the coronation of the younger son with a statement from the older son who is living in China, that he was not interested in taking power in North Korea?

sharrukin on November 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Earth to Sky Six. Bless the US of A., it’s wonderful military, and it’s allies. Over. And slap the US President with a large clue bonker. We mean that in a good way.

Is this what you mean, upinAK?

NaCly dog on November 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM

Sure!

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 4:29 PM

China’s reaction will be interesting. Due to Obama & Bernanke’s mishandling of the economy, trade relations and monetary policy; our relationship with China is probably the worst it has been in decades.

Agree with Upinak, this will not end well.

Norwegian on November 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM

Ladyingrey’s son is in Korea. We should say a prayer for him and the other Soliders and marines there.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 4:17 PM

Consider it done from here.

fourdeucer on November 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM

I have complete confidence in Obama and his executive ability, humility, command of diplomatic and military strategy, and his vast experience as a law school student and community organizer to come up with just the right measured response that demonstrates strength without touching off a real live shooting war.

I also have complete confidence in the Fed’s ability to use quantitative easing to revive the economy without sparking hyprinflation.

And if anyone is interested, I am selling lovely time-shares on the moon.

bitsy on November 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM

sorry, should have stuck a sarc tag on. I understood what you were saying and I have been watching it unfurl for the last 7 yrs as well. Does something smell off to you concerning this? I think the Generals are running this and have stepped over the Kim’s.

Ladyingrey’s son is in Korea. We should say a prayer for him and the other Soliders and marines there.

Thanks.

To answer your question: Yeah, something just seems off. Gim Jeong-un may be using this to try to secure his succession, but more then that I think the generals want a war.

I mean take a look at what is happening in North Korea now. The whole populace is becoming restive and starting to assert some kind of economic independence. The spell of the Gim dynasty may be wearing off and the generals are probably thinking that straight nationalism is the only thing they have left. They are desperate to hold on to power. Plus, Jeong-un is not a popular guy and the military could be aiming to take away attention from that. That is if they don’t depose him outright. Jeong-un could be a useful puppet for the generals.

And I agree about saying prayers. I do so everyday for the USFK.

Shogun144 on November 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM

Hey, don’t forget the two civilian NK jets that grandpa had blown out of the sky

bioweapons

Sonosam on November 23, 2010 at 4:33 PM

Calling coldwarrior to shed some light on this

blatantblue on November 23, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Second call for coldwarrior. He’s got mad analytical skills.

NaCly dog on November 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM

But…but North Korea’s a civilzed country. Just ask the UN.

kingsjester on November 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM

Given the anti-Americanism that’s been rampant in South Korea it’s time for the U.S. to get out and let the Koreans, China, Japan, and Russia sort it out.

jaime on November 23, 2010 at 4:46 PM

It will be a retaliation of extraordinary magnitude!

James on November 23, 2010 at 4:59 PM

South Korean president: Another provocation by North Korea will invite “enormous retaliation”

He seems to be speaking loudly and carrying a small stick.

rukiddingme on November 23, 2010 at 4:59 PM

No comments from Bill Clinton or Madeleine Albright?

dmh0667 on November 23, 2010 at 5:03 PM

We took notice of some reports; we paid a close attention to the situation,” said Hong Lei, spokesman for the China Ministry of Foreign Affairs. “We wish each side stay calm and exercise restraint, build mutual trust and work together for peace and stability of the peninsula.”

sharrukin on November 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM

But…but North Korea’s a civilzed country. Just ask the UN.

kingsjester on November 23, 2010 at 4:41 PM

This just burns me so bad I can’t express it.

North Korea asserted that it “comprehensively provides” for fundamental rights and freedoms, including “the right to elect and to be elected, the freedoms of speech, the press, assembly, demonstration and association, the rights to complaints and petitions, work and relaxation, free medical care, education and social security, freedoms to engage in scientific, literary and artistic pursuits, and freedoms of residence and travel.”

From your article.

fourdeucer on November 23, 2010 at 5:05 PM

Of course South Korea will respond with large quantities of food stocks and medical supplies.

ROTFLMAO.

rickyricardo on November 23, 2010 at 5:07 PM

Gelb’s “solution” to all this, such as it is, is to bring some U.S. naval assets into the region (a carrier strike group is already in the area) and then head back to the Security Council for the ceremonial slapping of the wrist, replete with weak sanctions that China will hopefully agree to after objecting, naturally, to much stronger ones.

If there’s a carrier strike group in the area, somebody needs to tell the Norks that any artillery piece that shoots at the South will be immediately taken out by the US military, and we keep a few planes flying just south of the DMZ (out of artillery range) at all times, just in case.

Also, cut off the food and fuel supplies to North Korea from South Korea, Japan, and the United States, who don’t need to feed the hand that bites them. If China wants to feed North Korea, they’re welcome to pay the bill, and the Chinese might discover that the drain on their food supply and economy make the Norks more trouble than they’re worth, and they can make the decision whether or not to throw North Korea under the bus and let it collapse.

Steve Z on November 23, 2010 at 5:07 PM

I think what surprised me most about this incident was the recommendation from John Bolton about re-unification.

(Is re-unification supposed to be spelled as one word or is it hyphenated?)

oldleprechaun on November 23, 2010 at 5:08 PM

OBAMA received ( literally ) the 3 AM call , and he bumbled it .
Hillary did not step in and pick the ball up .
This is like the hostage situation with Carter , the foreign nations have no respect for the US because of a weak President , it will end in January 2013 when a conservative President is sworn in

ELMO Q on November 23, 2010 at 5:09 PM

(Is re-unification supposed to be spelled as one word or is it hyphenated?)

oldleprechaun on November 23, 2010 at 5:08 PM

microsoft word makes it a hyphen.

upinak on November 23, 2010 at 5:11 PM

Check out the roll call of administration officials meeting in the White House situation room

I don’t see the secretary of “Punishing Our Enemies”

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on November 23, 2010 at 5:18 PM

“enormous retaliation”

Screw it, why don’t you guys just whip out a ruler and measure em’? Who’s got the biggest?

Oldnuke on November 23, 2010 at 5:38 PM

North Korea knows South Korea has too much to lose to start a war.

albill on November 23, 2010 at 5:49 PM

ergo there’s no rational reason this should escalate any further

Shhhhhhhhhhh, just don’t answer the barbarians when they knock on the gate.

Limerick on November 23, 2010 at 5:57 PM

Another…and another…and another….

Don’t cross this line, if you do….

Well, since you crossed that line, don’t cross this line, if you do….

Tim Burton on November 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM

Trafficability.
It’s almost winter.
Tank time.
Not good.

Hotel1 on November 23, 2010 at 6:07 PM

Update: Check out the roll call of administration officials meeting in the White House situation room to hash out a response. This is most assuredly a five-alarm fire.

Yeah, POTUS is on top of it, he saw this on an episode of The West Wing once.

kbfntc on November 23, 2010 at 6:23 PM

SCREW IT!

It’s time we take this little dwarf and his son out! If N. Korea falls, the whole peninsula would be better off! The people are eatin’ grass for cripes sake!

AllosaursRus on November 23, 2010 at 6:59 PM

My assessment is that there’s a succession struggle going on in North Korea and that the army has a candidate to replace Kim Jong-il instead of Kim’s son. I think the army has sent a message through this provocation, not to the West or South Korea, but to the Kim faction of the Communist Party that the army can start a war at any time, with dire consequences for everyone. So, the provocation is more like extortion.

NNtrancer on November 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM

“under the influence of more hawkish generals”

If true then the time is now to deal with this situation. It can’t be put off any longer and Obama will have to be bold. But who’s he going to fool? Incompetence could start a serious war.

The alternative is that NK and China are going to walk all over Obama and SK.

FloatingRock on November 23, 2010 at 8:04 PM

Here in Korea, you have to remember that SK for a long time engaged in a sunshine policy with the north. There are many Koreans who thought the Cheonan was done by the South Korean government (yes, even Korea has nutbar “truthers”). Added to this is a natural mistrust of “outsiders” and an assumption that North Koreans are not outsiders.

Lee Myung Bak was elected because many began to see that the sunshine policy failed.

I think Lee Myung Bak means it. He is going as far as the local politics and the situation allows. I also think NK miscalculated. This is going to be difficult for progressives in the South to spin as caused by American belligerence or actually done by the South’s government, and so a harder line will seem more necessary, even to South Koreans.

expatmanca on November 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM

How many damn Deputy NSA’s do we have?? I sorta can see why Biden would need his own, but come on!

brainy435 on November 23, 2010 at 8:47 PM

Wow, that IS quite a list. I’m glad for them to get lots of input, he sure enough needs it. As a mom of a son who graduates Infantry AIT 10 Dec, and our youngest son leaves for boot camp 6 July…I just cringe.

On an up note, Cavuto pointed out this drove foreign investors to our dollar, 2 month high. That’s good.

Minorcan Maven on November 23, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Tank time.
Not good.

Hotel1 on November 23, 2010 at 6:07 PM

The NOKs have very limited fuel, outdated tanks, no effective training in armored operations, and face a large, professional force in the South Korean Army.

I’ve opined on this in the past. Start worrying if a lot of land CIWS show up near Seoul, and the city of 10 million evacuates.

The truth is the North Korean populous is so backward, with strong mental blinders, and North Korea is so messed up, that no one in the region wants to take them over. South Korea calculated that integration like West and East Germany would take more wealth than the country had. Just kick the can down the road until they starve in the dark or die off.

NaCly dog on November 23, 2010 at 11:52 PM

It is likely this has much more to do with internal politics than we can possibly know right now.

If Kim the younger has a rival in the army, is that a bad thing in the long run? The country could not possibly have a worse government.

I think we should help a coup along and push out the Kims forever. I wonder what kind of reactions from our side could further destabilized the Kim hold on power. Roll the dice with someone new.

Although knowing Obama’s record, especially concerning his non-reaction to Iran and his backwards reaction to all things South American, Obama prefers to deal with nutty oppressive dictators than worry about people voting their own best interest.

I predict Obama will try to “stabilize” things by supporting the evil dictator.

I bet there is a smarter way to deal with this than promoting the status quo.

petunia on November 24, 2010 at 12:40 AM

I have zero condidence in our current civilian “leadership”.

Obama and Clinton are completely worthless and Gates is mediocre at best.

Let the Pentagon make the decisions here and let the White House get back to speechifying, it’s the only thing they are good at.

NoDonkey on November 24, 2010 at 2:25 AM

The military exercise they are talking about with the aircraft carrier George Washington was already planned from last July. This is just a public relations gimmick.

It does however seem to have the Chinese very upset and would put the carrier battlegroup well within range of Chinese fighters.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20100826mr.html

But since the Cheonan sinking and planning for the current U.S.-South Korean exercises began, China has raised a chorus of objections. They have been led and fanned by the military establishment.

This is a cause for regional concern because it suggests that key Chinese foreign and defense policies are now being shaped by military officers rather than civilians.

Writing in the Aug. 12 edition of Liberation Army Daily, the main mouthpiece of the Chinese armed forces, Maj. Gen. Luo Yuan, deputy secretary general of the Academy of Military Sciences, said that “a country needs respect, and a military also needs respect.” He accused the U.S. of “pushing its security boundary to the doorstep of others — the Yellow Sea, South China Sea and so on,” adding that if this continued China would have to “hurt” America in return.

sharrukin on November 24, 2010 at 2:59 AM

I wonder if this attack may be primarily related to China rather than North Korea? Is it possible that the new uranium plant in North Korea was a warning that the Chinese feel was ignored? Analysts suggest that it was provided from an outside source due to the advanced nature of the plant. They have also noted that the uranium plant was oddly placed out in the open as if they wanted it to be noticed.

Was the Cheonan sinking also a warning to the United States? This was the ship torpedoed by what was believed to be a North Korean submarine.

Was this recent artillery bombardment another warning by proxy from China to the United States?

In January, China suspended contacts with the U.S. military as retaliation for a $6.4 billion arms sale to Taiwan, the self-governing island China claims as its own territory. This sale includes Patriot missiles.

In February, Luo, writing in the official Outlook Weekly, said China should consider dumping some Treasury bonds following the U.S. announcement of an arms sale to Taiwan, Reuters reported at the time.
26 March 2010 The Cheonan was sunk.

June 27 U.S. President Barack Obama (in his own words) held a “blunt” conversation with China’s President Hu Jintao, accusing him and his nation of “willful blindness” in relation to North Korea’s “belligerent behavior.” Upbraiding his Chinese counterpart, Obama stated, “I think there’s a difference between restraint and willful blindness to consistent problems.”

June 29 “Large-scale, anti-submarine drills were set for earlier this month in the ROK, but were postponed to give the US more time for preparations. They had been rescheduled for this week, but were delayed again and may take place in July. “If they insist on holding the drills under the current circumstances, it would only further escalate tensions in the region,” said Zhai Dequan, deputy secretary-general of the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association. “The US and ROK should continue to postpone or cancel the military drills,” Zhai said.

“The planned US-South Korean military drill was postponed until July because the schedule remains unfinished, South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency said Monday ( June 28).”

With the postponement of the proposed US-South Korea naval exercise, there has been an apparent attempt by Chinese circles also to play down the earlier interpretation of the live-ammunition exercise of the People’s Liberation Army’s Navy in the East China Sea as in response to the proposed US-South Korea naval exercise. Some Chinese commentators are now claiming that the dates for the Chinese drill were fixed sometime ago and that the Chinese drill was not connected with the US-South Korea exercise. However, while the US and South Korea have postponed their joint exercise, the PLA Navy is going ahead with its exercise as scheduled from June 30. It will continue till July 5.

“The drill will be held from midnight to 6 pm every day. All irrelevant ships are prohibited from entering the region during the drill, the notice said.

Joint U.S.-South Korean naval drills with the participation of U.S. aircraft carrier are due to start on July 5. The same day, Chinese naval drills in the East China Sea will be over.

The U.S. and South Korea will refrain from using the Yellow Sea for joint military drills between July 25 and 28 amid Chinese concern that the exercises risk aggravating regional tension.

The exercises, involving 20 vessels and 200 aircraft, will be held off South Korea’s east coast, Rear Admiral Kim Kyung Sik told reporters today in Seoul.

These exercises were originally meant to be held in the Yellow Sea off the west coast of Korea.

Today’s statement that they will be restricted to the east coast suggests a concession to China, said Kim Yong Hyun, a professor of North Korean studies at Seoul-based Dongguk University.

The Cheonan incident helped bring to the surface the conflicting military interests between the U.S. and China regarding the Korean peninsula,” Kim said. “The U.S. and South Korea would have to accommodate China’s security concerns in the region if they were to use China’s leverage in solving North Korean issues.”

August The Beihai fleet of the navy of the People’s Liberation Army will conduct a “live ammunition drill” from Wednesday to Saturday off the coast of eastern China’s Qingdao city, Xinhua news agency reported.

“This would be a fresh provocation following a series of joint US-ROK (South Korean) activities that have caused tensions in East Asia,” Chinese Rear Admiral Yang Yi said in an August 13 commentary in the China Daily.

Offending Chinese people is not in the fundamental interest of the US… any activity aimed at pushing a country with a 1.3-billion populace with enormous potential would be inadvisable.

October 26 Pentagon officials “We absolutely and categorically did not scale back in order to placate Beijing,” a defense official said. “The decision to postpone was due solely to the complexities of the planning process, and not about China. We are working on planning for joint exercises intended to send a clear message to Korea about its behavior and its actions.”

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell was adamant. “We have caved to no one,” he said. “The USS George Washington will exercise in Yellow Sea again, just as we have always said it would.”

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20100826mr.html

But since the Cheonan sinking and planning for the current U.S.-South Korean exercises began, China has raised a chorus of objections. They have been led and fanned by the military establishment.

This is a cause for regional concern because it suggests that key Chinese foreign and defense policies are now being shaped by military officers rather than civilians.

Writing in the Aug. 12 edition of Liberation Army Daily, the main mouthpiece of the Chinese armed forces, Maj. Gen. Luo Yuan, deputy secretary general of the Academy of Military Sciences, said that “a country needs respect, and a military also needs respect.” He accused the U.S. of “pushing its security boundary to the doorstep of others — the Yellow Sea, South China Sea and so on,” adding that if this continued China would have to “hurt” America in return.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-10/chinese-general-says-u-s-carrier-in-yellow-sea-may-result-in-retaliation.html

Luo said the U.S. is trying to “threaten the Chinese people and test China’s bottom line with this maneuver,” adding that deployment of the carrier to the area will damage U.S.-China ties.

sharrukin on November 24, 2010 at 4:00 AM

I don’t mean to sound petty, but I have a tour at the DMZ this Saturday and I think this may have screwed up my plans. I hear the DMZ is in lockdown. Etc. In other words, things may be more serious than they appear on the surface.

I’m an Army wife in South Korea. Unfortunately, Kim Jung-Il is encouraged by these attacks because….. THE SOUTH NEVER DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT. So some people meet and issue a decree, the South Korean president says their’ll be consequences, all nice and good but THERE NEVER ARE CONSEQUENCES.

This is really difficult because over our last 2 and 1/2 years here in the Republic of Korea I’ve seen over and over again North Korea murdering South Koreans.

Last year North Korea released water from a large dam just over the border and drowned camping South Koreans. When we just arrived here in 2008 the North shot a Korean woman in the back just over the border… it was a clear act of murder. Of course they killed almost 50 South Korean sailors in the torpedoing of the Cheonan. Oh, and they shot missiles toward Japan, remember that?

Every year USFK forces has at least 2 scheduled exercises (US and ROK-Republic of Korea) and every year the North says it’s an act of war that we’re practicing defending the South. This time, the North acted on their threat to stop the exercises, BECAUSE the South never retaliates.

I’m really getting frustrated with the South, and I love Koreans very much, but they continually turn a blind eye to these attacks. In the US, these are acts of war. Here, they’re collateral damage and apparently nothing more.

Amy Proctor on November 24, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Amy Proctor on November 24, 2010 at 7:08 AM

Realistically, what would you have South Korea do in response to these acts of aggression by NK? Are any of the attacks you profiled above worth all-out war? Just curious.

galvestonian on November 24, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Naval Readiness Exercise Announced
(C7F RELEASE 24 NOV 10) … Fleet Public Affairs Office

Yokosuka, JAPAN — The USS George Washington carrier strike group will join Republic of Korea naval forces in the waters west of the Korean peninsula from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1 to conduct the next exercise in the series announced at the 2+2 meetings in July.
This exercise is defensive in nature. While planned well before yesterday’s unprovoked artillery attack, it demonstrates the strength of the ROK-U.S. Alliance and our commitment to regional stability through deterrence. It is also designed to improve our military interoperability.
U.S. Navy ships scheduled to participate include the USS George Washington (CVN 73) with an embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5, USS Cowpens (CG 62), USS Lassen (DDG 82), USS Stethem (DDG 63), USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62).
U.S. and allied operations are built on an already strong foundation of cooperation and this exercise is intended to further enhance interoperability. The U.S. and ROK forces will conduct air defense and surface warfare readiness training.
The U.S. Navy routinely operates in the waters off the Korean peninsula and has conducted numerous operations and exercises in this area. In October 2009 the George Washington strike group conducted similar operations in the international waters west of the Korean peninsula. U.S. aircraft carriers frequently visit the Korean peninsula and conduct port visits in Busan; such as USS George Washington in 2010, USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) in March 2009, USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), USS Nimitz (CVN 68), and USS George Washington in 2008.

Khun Joe on November 24, 2010 at 11:29 AM