Smart Diplomacy: Afghans and NATO Duped by Lowly Shopkeeper?
posted at 3:00 pm on November 23, 2010 by Jimmie Bise, Jr
For at least the past month, Afghan officials assisted by NATO and US diplomats, have been meeting with a man who identified himself as Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour. Mansour is one of the highest-ranking members of the Taliban, perhaps second only to Mullah Omar. The intention of the meetings, shrouded in secrecy as they have been, have been either to broker a peace between the Taliban and the Afghan government or to arrange a formal exchange of prisoners. To be honest, no one is entirely sure because the Karzai government hasn’t been particularly forthcoming with the press about the issue.
Now, perhaps, we know why Hamid Karzai didn’t release many details. It turns out that the man they, and we, thought was Mullah Mansour is not Mansour at all.
KABUL, Afghanistan — For months, the secret talks unfolding between Taliban and Afghan leaders to end the war appeared to be showing promise, if only because of the appearance of a certain insurgent leader at one end of the table: Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, one of the most senior commanders in the Taliban movement.
But now, it turns out, Mr. Mansour was apparently not Mr. Mansour at all. In an episode that could have been lifted from a spy novel, United States and Afghan officials now say the Afghan man was an impostor, and high-level discussions conducted with the assistance of NATO appear to have achieved little.
[...]
American officials confirmed Monday that they had given up hope that the Afghan was Mr. Mansour, or even a member of the Taliban leadership.NATO and Afghan officials said they held three meetings with the man, who traveled from in Pakistan, where Taliban leaders have taken refuge.
The fake Taliban leader even met with President Hamid Karzai, having been flown to Kabul on a NATO aircraft and ushered into the presidential palace, officials said.
I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or to throw something heavy across the room. Some lowly shopkeeper from Pakistan (at least that’s the best guess) managed to fool not only our government, but the governments of goodness knows how many other NATO nations involved in these talks for at least two months.
Karzai denied this afternoon that his government ever met this man, but I”m inclined not to believe him at all. The Guardian confirmed with “a western official in Kabul” and an unnamed Afghan official that the meetings did happen and that the American government, at least, knew the man was an impostor “for some time”. That contention got backup from the Times, which revealed that our government fully believed Mansour was involved and asked the Times to keep quiet about it.
Last month, White House officials asked The New York Times to withhold Mr. Mansour’s name from an article about the peace talks, expressing concern that the talks would be jeopardized — and Mr. Mansour’s life put at risk — if his involvement were publicized. The Times agreed to withhold Mr. Mansour’s name, along with the names of two other Taliban leaders said to be involved in the discussions. The status of the other two Taliban leaders said to be involved is not clear.
The Obama administration needs to get to the bottom of this situation quickly, because right now, the real story here is that we have no earthly idea what we are doing in Afghanistan.
Now, that may be true, but it’s certainly not the message we want to send to the Taliban or to their head-chopping al-Qaeda brethren, who have to be feeling awfully good about themselves today. Not only did this ruse, which doesn’t appear to have been an intentional Taliban ploy, waste at least two months of precious time but it also exposed how woefully ineffective our intelligence gathering has been. If our government, or any NATO government, doesn’t have enough human intelligence in place to adequately identify the people who are daily trying to kill our solders, then heads need to roll. I realize the situation is difficult. I know that we’re fighting an enemy that doesn’t exactly publish a list of its leadership on an “About the Taliban” page of a website, but still, good intelligence is the foundation of fighting and winning any war. I am, quite frankly, astounded that the ruse went as far as it did and our President needs to make very sure it doesn’t happen again.
Jimmie runs The Sundries Shack and has his own very entertaining podcast called “The Delivery”. He is also an amateur musician, an aspiring composer, an unrepentant geek and an avid fan of Twitter.
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Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.
Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Christie makes John Hunstman look conservative. That’s a scary thought isn’t it?
nobar on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years and that’s not even factoring in Scandalpalooza. CRISTie’s already got his reelection locked up. Why continue to play footsie with Obama like this unless he’s decided privately that he won’t be seeking the Presidency in 2016?
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
I’d tell you to get bent, Chris, but your girth would prevent that, so…
Dopenstrange on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Look’s like muskrat love.
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.
Count on it.
DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Somebody needs to talk this guy into joining the Party of the Democrats . . . and get him out of the Republican Party.
rplat on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
I picture that line being delivered with a tire iron inhand. The old Christe woulda….
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Rubio/Christie – The Demopbulican ticket.
Oil Can on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Loud mouths like Christie who “tell it like it is” usually put their foot in their mouth eventually (which he has done already).
He may as well put a great big D next to his name before the next election.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Who’d of thought Barack is a chubby chaser? Go figure.
madmonkphotog on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Heh. Did you happen to see Drudge’s pic of Christie and Barry,..center of page about halfway down? Looks like The Big Guy is giving a huge reach around to The Leader, who is giggling coyly. Perfect!
a capella on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
So basically he will be campaigning on our dime!
What’s new about that ?
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I’m sure it will be as toxic as Amnesty was for McCain and Romneycare was for Romney.
lol
Don’t you love the GOP electorate?
Fezzik on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Well, The First Lady says he’d make a great President, so
there you have it…he’s The Republican nominee in 2016!!!
Hooray!!!!!!
be back in a bit….have some Vomit to clean up…
ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I see a Chris Christie/Charlie Crist ticket in their future.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
True.
Dang! Did anyone say he’d try to run as a Republican?
*perish the thought*
freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
I see a cage match primary in the future between the Fat Man and Killary. Guess who wins.
BeachBum on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Front page pic: today’s Laurel and Hardy.
Marcola on May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM
I don’t know about that. The Fat Man pretty much already won reelection in one of the most corrupt and backward states in the country. You’ve got to admit Christie is pretty politically savvy — more so than amnesty-pusher Marco Rubio or some of the other clowns.
Punchenko on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Just more media manipulation to pick the next sacrificial goat for us. Oh… yeah.. he could beat Hillary.. PICK HIM… No more letting the same media which hates us, influence who our party picks to run, they are NOT our damned friends.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
He isn’t. He’s a receiver. As long as he closes his eyes and “doesn’t know” one BJ is like any other…….
Like his entire administration.
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a Arlen Spector flip and his running as Hillary’s mate.
I doubt the Republicans are going to find their nominee from the East Coast again this time.
Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Tough call. One is a fat, sweaty, graceless, clueless career backstabber and the other is Christie.
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
savvy at stroking democrats..
republicans who are conservative.. not so much.. He runs as the nominee in 16, I’m voting Conservative party… and I won’t be the only one.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
More accurate
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
oooh, i wonder if they will go out on a date and hold hands and other cute stuff. how sweet!
Sachiko on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Is it me or does Christie look like the Penguin?
Amadeus on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Why does Obama hate Democrat women?
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
It’s not hands. See my 3:40 comment.
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Won’t work. Neither Hillary nor the Rotund One will ever be the 2nd line on a ticket.
Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
That’s because the field of candidates sucked in 2008 and 2012. McCain had no competition other than Huckster and Romney. And 4 years later, Romney had only Newt and Santorum to contend with.
Even if a bunch of conservatives take a pass on 2016, there’s no way our choices will be that limited in 3 years.
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM
Is Governor Christie, a
RINO – Republican In Name Only?
or, a
DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only?
Choices, Choices….
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM
If Christi runs, it’ll be on the media driven narrative, he can win without the GOP base, just moderates and democrat cross overs..
The media which never saw a left wing extremist, ever, anywhere, has waged a decades long fight to smother the conservative base, even though we out number progressives 2 to 1.
Voter suppression isn’t unethical, like so much else, if the media/democrats do it.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Obama has overseen the use of federal agencies to intimidate and harass American citizens. And not jus any agencies: IRS, FBI, and the ATF harassed Catherine Engelbrecht. They sped on a Fox News reporter’s family.
Christie should be ashamed of himself. When does politics end and he starts doing the right thing?
InterestedObserver on May 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM
We have got to light a fire under our conservative leaders.. front benchers this time please..
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Fat, dopey liberal. I will enjoy voting against him more than most.
Jaibones on May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Christie…
Obama probably has taken a shower since meeting with Bruce Springsteen…
Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
…yeah, we know he’s a squish, but he is also the Governor of New Jersey. A guy like Cruz or even Rubio couldn’t get elected dog catcher in that state. Cut the big guy a break, he is undoubtedly better than whatever cookie cutter Dem would be sitting in that chair otherwise.
ndalager on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Christy, from a notoriously corrupt state like Obama’s Illinois, knows how the bread gets buttered. I wish he was a principled man, but he has done some good for Jersey. Let him stay there on the state level as the citizens feel fit via elections.
tom daschle concerned on May 24, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Absolutly right! The designated McCain will lose, whether it’s Christie, Rubio, Crist, Jeb or fill in the blank.
I wish we could some how change that, but the current GOP leadership he hard-wired to another designated McCain, (or Dole if you like).
Alabama Infidel on May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Now serving dog on the Jersey boardwalk.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Aww. Christie really, really wuvs obama…he can be his new body man :) well, if he sheds two more hundred pounds that is… obama likes his body men lean :)
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM
There won’t be any strolling on the beach today.
It’s 50 degrees and raining on and off all day with wind on top of it.
So much for the Big C’s “the shore is open” nonsense along with all that global warming.
jersey taxpayer on May 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Another azzhole
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM
With flowers, chocolates, soft music . . . and KY jelly?
AZCoyote on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?
LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
The DEM VP,AG or SS cabinet position.
He’s going to be Huntsman * 1000(pds). If they can get past the scandals, Christie is going to be the lefts secret 100ton bunker buster.
“See, the current repub wingnut tbillies are so far gone that they even turned on their Conservative Hero Christie.”
Did Christie condemn the IRS, Benghazi response, AP, Rosen…? Has he addressed the scandals? He could do it in a non partisan way. Even Dear Leader managed “outrage”(or at least he used the word).
HA people, Christie is not running for the Repub Presidency. Like Doughboy wrote: He’s got his reelection locked up. This photo op further hurts him if he were to run as an R. And I do believe his French Kissing O ,from last year, would be re-run if he ran. He can’t run as an R and he knows it. He doesn’t want to.
BoxHead1 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
OT: Ryan Lizza (via Twitchy) reporting DOJ sought to keep Rosen in the dark about confiscating his E-mail for an extended period of time.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Christie’s worst enemy in any potential 2016 primary is probably Jon Huntsman, since the goal is to solidify a block of moderates during the early northeastern state primaries, as the lone moderate in the field, and let the other conservative hopefuls knock each other off. That plan falls apart if there are two squishy Republicans in the race splitting that vote, but Christie’s advantage is it’s easier to play that game from New Jersey than it is from Utah, since the media will have no problem trumpeting his in-your-face personality in the primaries (and destroy him for it in the general election, if he actually did win the primary).
jon1979 on May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM
I think the White House is still threatening the victims’ families in Moore to invite Hussein for a campaign sppech when they hold funerals for their loved ones and so far, no invite.
I’m sure he has his speech uploaded to TOTUS, photogs and networks ready to fly on AF-1 on a short notice .
Until then,,,partay..partay…partay…
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Wrong crowd. Dead, white conservatives are a gift for this guy.
Trayvon Martin was definitely worth a “presidential” comment.
Gee…. there’s a pattern here, isn’t there!
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Go to hell Christie. Just change yourself to (D) and get it overwith.
TX-96 on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM
This fat wad needs to sink into the nearest deep part of the ocean. He could feed the sharks for days.
avagreen on May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM
We don’t care now you fat piece of crap, the election is over.
slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
All due respect:
Christie is super fat.
And that is all the respect he is due.
Sherman1864 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Obama is simply coming back to see how Christie’s pregnancy is coming along. I hear Obama is hoping for a son…
William Eaton on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM
They’ll tour the coast right after stopping off at the Registrar’s Office so Chris can drop off his change-of-party registration.
Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM
That’s fine, gotta take some time for photo ops in the midst of all the scandals. That’s what politicians do. Has he ever thought to take a trip back to the Gulf since 140 gallons of oil spilled in it, though?
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM
This was Ann Coultier’s big candidate for President.
“Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!”
flytier on May 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM
ha, make that 140 MILLION gallons
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Time to make the “Obamistie” relationship public.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Democrats in NJ are not worried their candidate will lose, because by 2014 Christie will have switched parties to become a Democrat.
albill on May 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Yes. please roll out the red carpet and Slurpee’s. After all, the President and Democrats in general have done so much for NJ. Which is why there is a Republican governor…whoops.
It’s very revealing how the governor shows his love for Obama when the treasury is dishing out other people’s money to pay for the states disasters. They’ve allowed people to build in those areas and now, strangely, after receiving the big Obama smooch and fist-fulls of our cash, they are rebuilding.
For years, NJ collected taxes from all the affected residents. Did they save any of it for a windy, wet day? Nope.
Christie is only a pragmatic economic denizens when it suits his political needs. We’ve seen what happens when a crisis strikes. The first casualty is financial discipline.
Marcus Traianus on May 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Mitt should have recruited this guy to play a dirty trick or two but nooooooo……
But did he just stay neutral? Nooooo…
The Dems and the media are having a persistently hard time destroying Christianity, capitalism, white people and the Bill of Rights in less than a decade.
They sorely welcome the help of all useful idiots in wrecking the country and relish the fools who embrace their own demise.
But Christe? Maybe there is some natural bond between guys who run corrupt governments, ever think of that?
IlikedAUH2O on May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Whaaa, no invite yet?? Do the local IRS know, and what are they planning to do about it?
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Clash of Titans:
Snooki Ambushes Chris Christie at Jersey Shore
:)
INC on May 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM
The mayor of Tampa at the time, a dem, wouldn’t even go to the airport to greet President Bush so there must be some outs for state officials if they don’t want to meet an greet. CC wants to for political reasons which makes him just as bad as the rest of the crowd in DC. He goes along to get along.
Kissmygrits on May 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM